Revelations chatper 1v2

[KWSS1976]

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.


Ok can someone explain the "and of" in this cause the way it is worded sounds like (2)

[gloryseeker]

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.


Ok can someone explain the "and of" in this cause the way it is worded sounds like (2)

Go back and read the gospel of John 1 - the Word that was from the beginning (v1) "became" flesh and dwelt among us (v14).

[KWSS1976]

but explain the "and of" I have read those scriptures already and the 'and of' contirdicts this in revelations...

[KWSS1976]

and also in v14 you have....(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)

[Ferd]

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.


Ok can someone explain the "and of" in this cause the way it is worded sounds like (2)

silly question. the word of God and Jesus Christ arent exactly the same thing.


John made testamony of the Word of God and of Jesus Christ.


The Word of God = all that God spoke to John/the words written in scripture.
Jesus Christ =The Word Made Flesh/God Manifest in Flesh/The Redeemer/The Massiah (sp) etc...

If God spoke to John about the future and if John also speaks about the Man Christ Jesus whom he knew and lived with, are those the same things?

of course John was speaking about two things. That doesnt mean John was speaking about 2 gods or 2 hypostasis (sp) that make up part of one god (what ever that means)

Your quesiton is kind of odd....

[KWSS1976]

Leave it to me I can ask some odd questions I question everything especially if it contirdicts (sp) somthing else I just read..LOL

[Praxeas]

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.


Ok can someone explain the "and of" in this cause the way it is worded sounds like (2)
huh?

And is a conjunction, it connects a thought. Who is John. What did HE do? He bore record. Of what? The word of God, the testimony of Jesus and of all the things John saw

[Praxeas]

There is no contradiction. He bore witness to the word of God (not the Logos made flesh), the testimony of Jesus and to the things he SAW

Joh 21:25 And there are also many things, whatever Jesus did, which, if they should be written singly, I suppose the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

They SAW what Jesus did. They were witnesses to the miracles

[KWSS1976]

No prax you left out the "and of" on your reply so I added it for ya......

huh?

And is a conjunction, it connects a thought. Who is John. What did HE do? He bore record. Of what? The word of God "AND OF", the testimony of Jesus and of all the things John saw

[Praxeas]

No prax you left out the "and of" on your reply so I added it for ya......

huh?

And is a conjunction, it connects a thought. Who is John. What did HE do? He bore record. Of what? The word of God "AND OF", the testimony of Jesus and of all the things John saw
No I did not "leave it out" I explained it.

When you have a list you separate them with commas except for the last thing in the list you use a conjuction. It's simple grammar.

John bore witness of what? the word of God, testimony of Jesus and the things John saw with his eyes

[KWSS1976]

Still prax if you leave it out you still have "the word of god,testimony of Jesus two seprate things as you say I am not questioning the things I am questioning the Father and Son relationship..Now why is it not worded the "word of god and the testimony of god" or the word of jesus and the testimony of jesus instead of the "word of god,testimony of Jesus"

[deltaguitar]

Here is it in the English Standard Version. KW, what are you trying to point out?

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God(A) gave him(B) to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place.(C) He made it known by sending his angel to his servant[b] John, 2(D) who bore witness to the word of God and to(E) the testimony of Jesus Christ, even(F) to all that he saw.

[Ferd]

Here is it in the English Standard Version. KW, what are you trying to point out?

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God(A) gave him(B) to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place.(C) He made it known by sending his angel to his servant[b] John, 2(D) who bore witness to the word of God and to(E) the testimony of Jesus Christ, even(F) to all that he saw.

looks pretty clear to me. :thumbsup

[KWSS1976]

Ferd on this scripture in the book of revelations 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

I was looking for the answer to the "and of" in the scripture cause you have word of God "and of"testimony of Jesus..

[Ferd]

Ferd on this scripture in the book of revelations 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

I was looking for the answer to the "and of" in the scripture cause you have word of God "and of"testimony of Jesus..

Bro. read this really slowly it might help.

John....

bare record of a couple of different things here.

the word that God gave him, and the testimony of Jesus.

I can tell you that I am going to talk to you about my bicycle and of my tatoo.

that doesnt mean my tatoo is my bicycle.

[KWSS1976]

Thats right it is 2 diffrent things 1 BICYCLE 2 TATOO OR 1 GOD 2 JESUS

[Ferd]

Thats right it is 2 diffrent things 1 BICYCLE 2 TATOO OR 1 GOD 2 JESUS

you accused Prax of dropping the "and of" yet now you drop the "word of"

you are now saying the scripture says testimoney of God and of Jesus.

that aint what was said.


Word of God is vastly different than God. both His word and Jesus Christ would be encopassed in all of what God is.

but when one speaks of Gods word, that doesnt mean they are speaking of either the Man Christ Jesus or of God himself in His full manifestation.

What word is John refering to? is it The Word that is scripture to us? Or is it the Word that the Angel refereced brought to John from God, that John was supposed to record in the Revalation? (I think the later)

That is vastly different than saying God and Jesus.


Bro, seriously this is a comprehension issue. any good trinitarian or binitarian or polythiest would agree this passage is no example of a possbile problem with the Oneness doctrine.

you would be better off going to Pauls epistles and ranting about his salutations.

[KWSS1976]

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw

So what is the "AND OF" saying?

[Ferd]

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw

So what is the "AND OF" saying?

Wow. Really?

Of the word of God

And

Of the testimony of Jesus Christ

The word "And" is a conjunction connecting two different things. (Word of God and Testimony of Jesus Christ are two different things.)


‘Of God’ is a prepositional phrase relating to whose Word. Word is the object (noun) in the prepositional phrase of the word

So Word is the key here with 'of God" indicating whose word.

With me?

Of the testimony is a prepositional phrase as well. Of Jesus Christ is also a prepositional phrase that indicates whose testimony. The testimony is Jesus’

John is ‘baring both witness’ or in other words, he is saying that he is going to write about both.


But the next question is, what is the “Word of God” here?
It is either the scripture that he is going to expound on, or it is the Word that God gave the angel mentioned in vs 1 to give to John.
John also indicates he is going to give testimony of Jesus Christ.

Two different things. Neither of these things indicate a reference to the Godhead.

He is simply saying “I am going to tell you what God told me and I am going to tell you about Jesus Christ”

Seriously what are you finding difficult here?

[Praxeas]

Still prax if you leave it out you still have "the word of god,testimony of Jesus two seprate things as you say I am not questioning the things I am questioning the Father and Son relationship..Now why is it not worded the "word of god and the testimony of god" or the word of jesus and the testimony of jesus instead of the "word of god,testimony of Jesus"
These are two THINGS not two PERSONS. 1 The word of God...a thing...2 The Testimony of Jesus...another thing.

BTW welcome to Oneness 101...we always have taught a distinction between Father and Son. The Son has a human nature making him a Human being.

BTW If I said "The Word of God and the Power of the LORD" does that make two different persons?