Baptisms

[KWSS1976]

How many baptisms are there

Ephesians 4:5 only have one baptism
Hebrews 6:2 has (baptisms)
more than one..

[Sept5SavedTeen]

How many baptisms are there

Ephesians 4:5 only have one baptism
Hebrews 6:2 has (baptisms)
more than one..

Baptism of water, holy ghost, fire.

-Bro. Alex

[Sam]

How many baptisms are there

Ephesians 4:5 only have one baptism
Hebrews 6:2 has (baptisms)
more than one..

baptism into the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:26-27: Ephesians 4:4-5)
baptism in water (Acts 8:36-39)
baptism in Spirit (Acts 1:5)
baptism in fire (Matthew 3:10-12)
baptism in suffering (Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50)

[KWSS1976]

So why Ephesians 4:5 it only states on baptism?

[mizpeh]

There are basically two baptisms..water and Spirit.

I believe in the epistles when the word, baptism, is used by itself it always refers to water baptism.

[KWSS1976]

But it states only one baptism I to believe it is water baptism but then again it only states ONE BAPTISM..

[mizpeh]

But it states only one baptism I to believe it is water baptism but then again it only states ONE BAPTISM..

IMO, when Paul speaks of baptism in the episitles, he is always referring to water baptism.

In the Ephesian passage you are referring to, Paul mentions Spirit baptism using other words............ 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

In 1 Cor 12:12 Paul uses baptized by one Spirit and made to drink of the Spirit. I believe in this instance also baptism refers to water baptism and made to drink refers to Spirit baptism. In this one verse Paul is saying both baptisms are necessary to someone to be "IN CHRIST" or to be part of the body of Christ.

Though we know there are two baptisms, there is not a great attempt by the writers of the epistles to make what they mean clear when they use the word, baptism, which leads me to believe that their audiences knew exactly what they were writing about. Since there has been so many conflicting teachings brought into the church since the early days, we have to struggle with the context to try to figure out what they are saying.

[KWSS1976]

mizpeh this statement you made is right on..struggle key word..LOL


Since there has been so many conflicting teachings brought into the church since the early days, we have to STRUGGLE with the context to try to figure out what they are saying

[Sam]

So why Ephesians 4:5 it only states on baptism?

in my opinion, Ehesians 4:5 is part of an exhortation to unity because we are all in the same Church/Body/Family and is saying that we have all been placed/baptized/immersed into the one Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit in the same way that 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Galatians 3:26-29 say it.

[Sam]

Some people believe that 3 separate individuals somehow mysteriously form one God.

Others believe that two distinct experiences, baptism in water and baptism in Spirit, even though they may have occurred miles apart geographically and years apart chronologically somehow mysteriously form one baptism.

[Arphaxad]

What is the baptism of fire John refers to in Mathew 3:11 and Luke 3:16?

:doggyrun

[Sam]

What is the baptism of fire John refers to in Mathew 3:11 and Luke 3:16?

:doggyrun

again, there are differences of opinion.

--Some see it as a second work of grace i.e. sanctification that burns out our sinful nature.
--Some see it as the Holy Spirit working in us through fiery trials burning out the dross.
--Some see it as the Holy Spirit zeal/fire.
--Some see it as being baptized/plunged into the lake of fire. So in Matthew 3 they see two contrasting baptisms: in the Spirit for salvation or in the lake of fire for those who don't get baptized in the Spirit.

[Arphaxad]

again, there are differences of opinion.

--Some see it as a second work of grace i.e. sanctification that burns out our sinful nature.
--Some see it as the Holy Spirit working in us through fiery trials burning out the dross.
--Some see it as the Holy Spirit zeal/fire.
--Some see it as being baptized/plunged into the lake of fire. So in Matthew 3 they see two contrasting baptisms: in the Spirit for salvation or in the lake of fire for those who don't get baptized in the Spirit.


I lean towards the 4th one.
Words are defined by their context. "fire'' is used in M and L, but not Mark. M and L also say that Pharisees and Saducees, Annas and Caiaphas,publicans were there. Mark doesn't mention them. The way "fire" is used in M 3:10,3:12 and L 3:9, 3;17, John was telling them that HG baptism is for those that would repent and the (unquenchable) fire was for those that don't.

:doggyrun

[Praxeas]

If he says "With the Holy Ghost AND with Fire" then that is one baptism. IF he says "With the Holy Ghost OR with Fire" then that is two...

[KWSS1976]

Prax the way you worded that holygohst AND with fire are two.... if I give you a car you cannot drive it unless you have keys so I give you the car and the keys TWO THINGS..Holyghost OR Fire 1 thing..I give you the keys or the car take your pick which ONE