Swine Flu - What you can do.

[Digging4Truth]

As the resident conspiracy theorist (or at least that is the accusation from time to time) I would like to offer a few suggestions for those looking for something to do with the onset of this swine/avian/human flu thing that is going around.

2 Suggestions.

1. Colloidal Silver.

You can buy Colloidal silver already made but it is a little on the expensive side and you have no idea what you are getting. You have no idea if it is truly a colloid or what else might be in the mix. Although there are some reputable people out there I am sure. I am looking for a colloidal silver generator myself. I am doing some research on which ones might create a true colloid for the best price.

Colloidal silver was used as an antibiotic before there were pharmaceutical antibiotics. The benefit of colloidal silver above today's pharmaceuticals is that viruses & bacteria develop an immunity to the pharmaceuticals and cannot develop an immunity to Colloidal Silver. The main reason being that the colloidal silver kills them by smothering them to death and there is no immunity to having no oxygen to live.

A teaspoon or so of colloidal Silver every day will help fight off flu virus and other bacterial & viral pathogens. Colloidal silver also only kills the bad virus & bacteria because it is positively charged and is only attracted to negatively charged bacteria & viruses. Things that make you sick are negatively charged.


2. Essential Oils.

You can buy essential oils on the net and a lot of other places. Essential oils are simply the "essential oils" of various plants and flowers and these highly concentrated oils not only smell great but they can kill airborne viruses & bacterium. One study put petri dishes in an ICU unit and found X number ( a large amount... I don't remember where I found the study years ago) of different viruses alive in the air.

They then put a machine in the ICU unit that dispersed a small amount of essential oil every so often and put petri dishes out again after 24 hours. No viruses or bacteria grew in the cultures.

I did a quick search and some suggested essential oils for flu viruses are Cypress, Mountain Savory, Oregano, Eucalyptus radiata (topical use only), Peppermint, Clove, Tea Tree/Melaleuca (topical use only)

Both of these items are natural products that have been used for thousands of years.

You may feel free to smirk, Hit New Posts and forget what you have read. No problem at all.

But I would feel remiss if I did not at least offer this information to people who I spend so much of my time with and care about.

[Sister Alvear]

I really appreciate things like this. I don´t know if I can get these things in Brazil but I will look into it.


Our news said the first person had died from this today in Brazil. I am very concerned.

[Digging4Truth]

I really appreciate things like this. I don´t know if I can get these things in Brazil but I will look into it.


Our news said the first person had died from this today in Brazil. I am very concerned.

I am thankful that it was information you found useful.

There is a story of 4 thieves during the bubonic plaque who would rob the bodies of the dead. They were finally caught and the King offered the leniency if they would reveal how they were able to be in close proximity to the bodies and not be infected by the plaque themselves.

They revealed that they were perfumers & spice traders and that they would rub themselves with a concoction of aromatic herbs (cinnamon & clove I believe) and that is what allowed them to be near the bodies and not contract the plaque themselves.

Young Living makes a mixture of essential oils patterned after this story and they call it Thieves.

This is from a website that sells Thieves.

Thieves is a proprietary blend of pure essential oils tested at Weber State University, Ogden, Utah, and found to have a 99.96 percent effective rate against airborne bacteria.The quickest, most effective (clinical proven), method to knock out airborne infectious pathogens is to diffuse essential oil, creating a micro-fine vapor or spray [read more about properly diffusing to get the most benefit (http://aromatherapy4u.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/diffusing-therapeutic-grade-essential-oils-during-this-cold-flu-season-how-to-get-the-most-out-of-your-essential-oils-and-diffuser/)]. Because these molecule size vapors are so light, they remain suspended for up to several hours, killing airborne viruses, bacteria and fungus on contact. The more the oils are diffused, the greater their killing power.

I view these things as just one more time that we realize that God has the answer that is better than mans.

[Ferd]

As the resident caller of D4T a conspiracy theorists, I find nothing wrong or conspiracy minded about these posts....


Bro, I think you are hitting on some good information. Luke 34984723890239074390 needs to add some to this tread too because he (I think he is a he) has some good information.


I got a sever cold a couple of weeks ago and stumbled on something called Umcka. it knocked my cold out. Dont know what it would do for flu, but it sure took care of my cold.

I am all for non-pham cures.

[Digging4Truth]

As the resident caller of D4T a conspiracy theorists, I find nothing wrong or conspiracy minded about these posts....


Bro, I think you are hitting on some good information. Luke 34984723890239074390 needs to add some to this tread too because he (I think he is a he) has some good information.


I got a sever cold a couple of weeks ago and stumbled on something called Umcka. it knocked my cold out. Dont know what it would do for flu, but it sure took care of my cold.

I am all for non-pham cures.

Well that is an endorsement I never expected. :)

Thanks bro... hopefully Luke will chime in with more info.

I have call in to a friend of mine asking him for some Colloidal silver while I look at generators.

I am liking the Silvergen right now... but not liking the price.

Maybe someone has info on a good colloidal silver generator choice as well...

[*AQuietPlace*]

I LOVE colloidal silver! I use it frequently. A few months ago I had the beginnings of a bladder infection, took silver several times that day and it knocked it right out. I use it for all kinds of ills.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Population: 303,824,640 (July 2008 est.) and you have one death from Swine Flu?

Has anyone heard anymore about the investigation into the water boardings and torture?

Try to keep an eye on what is going on in Capital Hill, and the senate while everyone is shaking like a puppy passing peach pits over the dreaded Swine Flu.

How about turning off that television, they pump nothing but garbage over that thing, and the public salivates like Pavlov's dog.

You are being manipulated people, it is all a distraction to keep you from finding out what they are really doing to you.

What you don't know Can't Hurt Them!!!

Check out the stocks, before and after this Swine Flu scare, examine Eli Lilly, Glaxo, Pfizer and Merck & Co., Inc.

After this scare dies down (because the public has an attention span of rice) there will be yet another dilemma to hold our attention off of more pressing issues.

The Lord help this country from Corporation and Bankers.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[n david]

colloidal silver ... i'd rather not look like part of the blue man group ...

:nah

The Thieves oil essence is very interesting though. My wife is into essential oils and their benefits, I bet she either knows or would be interested in reading more about it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Memo From the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency 24 Apr 2009
Cheney Requests Release of 2 CIA Reports on Interrogations 25 Apr 2009 Former vice president [sic] Richard B. Cheney is asking for the release of two CIA reports in his bid to marshal evidence that coercive interrogation tactics such as waterboarding helped thwart terrorist plots, according to documents released yesterday by the National Archives and Records Administration.

UK High Court demands U.S. torture documents 22 Apr 2009 The chief justice of the British High Court on Wednesday gave the British government one week to obtain the U.S. release of classified information about the alleged torture of a British resident [Binyam Mohamed] who'd been detained at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The court indicated that it would issue its own order if the government doesn't respond or justify why continued secrecy is warranted.

Swine Flu...yeah. :ursofunny

[*AQuietPlace*]

You'd have to use a LOT of silver to turn blue.

[n david]

Has anyone heard anymore about the investigation into the water boardings and torture?
Yeah, last I read about it ... it worked. Unfortunately the pansies in the WH are too poll-driven to be concerned with terrorism and national security.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I agree that the 'scare' is ridiculously overblown. It's the flu. People die from the flu every year. It's a different strain of the flu, but we get different strains all the time.

As always, people with weak immune systems are the most at risk.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yeah, last I read about it ... it worked. Unfortunately the pansies in the WH are too poll-driven to be concerned with terrorism and national security.

What no school today? Does your parents know you use their computer while they are at work?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I agree that the 'scare' is ridiculously overblown. It's the flu. People die from the flu every year. It's a different strain of the flu, but we get different strains all the time.

As always, people with weak immune systems are the most at risk.

Amen, QP you can see how the media blows everything out in an attempt to keep the dog and pony show going.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Ferd]

I agree that the 'scare' is ridiculously overblown. It's the flu. People die from the flu every year. It's a different strain of the flu, but we get different strains all the time.

As always, people with weak immune systems are the most at risk.

It is an H1N1 flu... which is the kind that killed untold millions in 1918. That doesnt mean it will do so this time. But it can. And it has....


H1N1 is very scary stuff.

[Ferd]

Yo EB,

so what are you saying? Are you suggesting the White House doesnt want the public to focus on terror suspects being tortured?

[Digging4Truth]

colloidal silver ... i'd rather not look like part of the blue man group ...

:nah

The Thieves oil essence is very interesting though. My wife is into essential oils and their benefits, I bet she either knows or would be interested in reading more about it.

Argyria will not occur if you use true colloidal silver and one has to over dose themselves even with silver particles larger than 0.001 microns.

But... I'm not going to argue with the Argyria crowd.

[ILG]

You may feel free to smirk, Hit New Posts and forget what you have read. No problem at all.
.

When you mentioned smirking, it made me think of this story....I hope it is not offensive to anyone here. I thought it was pretty funny:

My husband and his barber were talking about prostate checks. As you may know, when a man gets his prostate checked, the doctor has to stick his finger into the anus to check the prostate. Apparently, my husband's barber told the doctor "If you are smiling when we get done with this, I am going to find another doctor". The doctor said "If you are smiling when we are done with this you are going to have to find another doctor!" :ursofunny

[ILG]

Population: 303,824,640 (July 2008 est.) and you have one death from Swine Flu?

www.OnTimeJournal.com

If it was one of your children, your view might be different.

[n david]

What no school today? Does your parents know you use their computer while they are at work?
Does you know how to write?

:smack

[MissBrattified]

I agree that the 'scare' is ridiculously overblown. It's the flu. People die from the flu every year. It's a different strain of the flu, but we get different strains all the time.

As always, people with weak immune systems are the most at risk.

It's not quite that simple. Some strains are more severe than others, and since this is a new strain, no one has been vaccinated against it. E.g., even people who get over it can carry it to people with weak immune systems.

My son is asthmatic, and gets a flu shot each year to prevent pneumonia. It's complications from the flu that are potentially deadly to most people.

EB may be right--maybe our attention is being redirected--but I don't think new strains of viruses are anything to sneeze at.

The best thing you can do for combating viruses is to strengthen your immune system. Antibiotics don't kill viruses, your immune system must do that. (Which is why you receive vaccinations against certain viruses--to train your immune system how to respond.)

We take powdered Vitamin C, and double the dosage at the first hint of a sniffle.

[MissBrattified]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/29/health/main4976572.shtml?tag=topStories;secondStory

23-month-old Toddler is the first US Swine Flu death. :(

[HeavenlyOne]

And is there a way to stress hand washing????? I haven't seen one mention of it in this thread.

[HeavenlyOne]

When you mentioned smirking, it made me think of this story....I hope it is not offensive to anyone here. I thought it was pretty funny:

My husband and his barber were talking about prostate checks. As you may know, when a man gets his prostate checked, the doctor has to stick his finger into the anus to check the prostate. Apparently, my husband's barber told the doctor "If you are smiling when we get done with this, I am going to find another doctor". The doctor said "If you are smiling when we are done with this you are going to have to find another doctor!" :ursofunny

Nursing humor....I love it!!! LOL!

[ILG]

And is there a way to stress hand washing????? I haven't seen one mention of it in this thread.

I learned how in my CNA class!! :thumbsup Maybe you should teach a lesson on hand washing here.

FWIW, when I am at work, I try very hard not to touch my face unless I wash my hands first. The library materials are very dirty. Also, we have communal silverware in the breakroom and I never take silverwear that has been freshly washed....only stuff that has been in the drawer and competely dried.

[HeavenlyOne]

This is how NOT to contract swine flu...yet another great tip...

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r88/heavenlyone517/swineflupic.jpg

[Ron]

This is how NOT to contract swine flu...yet another great tip...

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r88/heavenlyone517/swineflupic.jpg

:ursofunny

[HeavenlyOne]

I learned how in my CNA class!! :thumbsup Maybe you should teach a lesson on hand washing here.

FWIW, when I am at work, I try very hard not to touch my face unless I wash my hands first. The library materials are very dirty. Also, we have communal silverware in the breakroom and I never take silverwear that has been freshly washed....only stuff that has been in the drawer and competely dried.

I bet you didn't realize how tedious hand washing can be! LOL!

[LUKE2447]

Hey how about kill 300K pigs like the Egyptian gov.... talk about STUPID!

[Ferd]

Hey how about kill 300K pigs like the Egyptian gov.... talk about STUPID!

hey! its Luke 94285923573694651233247+62793543478534078923-893409834823432897=6346545634567484564302354784548 7

Whats up?


Please share some really good Non-Pham cures! I am thinking about right now we need some of that info!

[ILG]

I bet you didn't realize how tedious hand washing can be! LOL!

It's amazing nurses have any hands left.

Love that swine flu picture!!:ursofunny

[HeavenlyOne]

It's amazing nurses have any hands left.

Love that swine flu picture!!:ursofunny

In between patient contact that doesn't require handwashing with soap and water, I use alcohol foam. While it has moisturizing agents in it, my hands peel. It's not a raw peel, but like, flaking off my palms. Never had that until I started working and using the foam, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me any.

On the average night, I use the alcohol foam about 30-40 times and wash my hands about 8-15 times...most of the time to wash off the alcohol foam!

Glad you liked that pic. Isn't that your kid? :D

[ILG]

In between patient contact that doesn't require handwashing with soap and water, I use alcohol foam. While it has moisturizing agents in it, my hands peel. It's not a raw peel, but like, flaking off my palms. Never had that until I started working and using the foam, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me any.

On the average night, I use the alcohol foam about 30-40 times and wash my hands about 8-15 times...most of the time to wash off the alcohol foam!

Glad you liked that pic. Isn't that your kid? :D

I thought it was from your family photo album!! :ursofunny

[Praxeas]

can't you get heavy metal poisoning from eating silver?

[Digging4Truth]

can't you get heavy metal poisoning from eating silver?

One should not eat silver. Argyria is the result of excessive digestion of silver particles that are of a size in excess of 0.001 microns.

That is why Colloidal silver is suggested. That is also why making your own is suggested so you can have some level of quality control and you know the process by which the dispersion of the silver into the medium of water that was used.

One can achieve water poisoning by drinking too much water. There is a simple need to educate oneself and act on and move within that education.

[Ron]

Lycanthropes should never ingest Silver--ever!:thumbsup

[Ferd]

Im gonna leave the silver stuff to others.... too much controversy, but that is just me.

[Digging4Truth]

Lycanthropes should never ingest Silver--ever!:thumbsup

LOL... Funny...

[Digging4Truth]

Im gonna leave the silver stuff to others.... too much controversy, but that is just me.

Whether one is into ingesting silver ( or colloidal gold for that matter) is, absolutely, a personal matter.

Silver is also well known for it's healing properties on burns.

If one goes to a hospital with a burn they will likely be treated with a silver based product.

My wife was picking things up one afternoon as we packed the van to head home from a trip. She was picking things up with one hand and putting them in the folded arm of her other hand.

She picked up an iron that was hot and still plugged in and nestled it just above the elbow on the inside flesh of her arm.

We had some Colloidal Silver in the van (a friend of ours makes it).

We put a gauze on it and dampened it with Colloidal Silver and she never blistered and has only a very small scar the shape of the tip of the iron on her arm.

There are many applications outside of ingestion as well.

[Ferd]

Whether one is into ingesting silver ( or colloidal gold for that matter) is, absolutely, a personal matter.

Silver is also well known for it's healing properties on burns.

If one goes to a hospital with a burn they will likely be treated with a silver based product.

My wife was picking things up one afternoon as we packed the van to head home from a trip. She was picking things up with one hand and putting them in the folded arm of her other hand.

She picked up an iron that was hot and still plugged in and nestled it just above the elbow on the inside flesh of her arm.

We had some Colloidal Silver in the van (a friend of ours makes it).

We put a gauze on it and dampened it with Colloidal Silver and she never blistered and has only a very small scar the shape of the tip of the iron on her arm.

There are many applications outside of ingestion as well.

ive used Silvidine(sp) for burns. its good stuff.

jury is still out on ingesting... thats all I am saying. I am for non-pharm remedies, but some I feel need some studing.

[nahkoe]

D4T has the right ideas here, that's for sure. :) One caution...these things listed in this post are no more natural than over the counter medications. They need to be approached and used with education and caution, just like any other medication, ointment, salve, anything really.

Silver doesn't come in colloidal form in nature, essential oils have to be extracted. They're highly effective, when used properly, but they do have risks. The silver risks have been mentioned. I've never used colloidal silver or gold because I'm not satisfied that there is a source that's safe. I do know that there's a point where the ppm is safe, but without the equipment to measure that, you don't know what you have. It's why I never made my own, and when I was shopping around I didn't find a source I trusted.

2. Essential Oils.

You can buy essential oils on the net and a lot of other places. Essential oils are simply the "essential oils" of various plants and flowers and these highly concentrated oils not only smell great but they can kill airborne viruses & bacterium. One study put petri dishes in an ICU unit and found X number ( a large amount... I don't remember where I found the study years ago) of different viruses alive in the air.

They then put a machine in the ICU unit that dispersed a small amount of essential oil every so often and put petri dishes out again after 24 hours. No viruses or bacteria grew in the cultures.

I did a quick search and some suggested essential oils for flu viruses are Cypress, Mountain Savory, Oregano, Eucalyptus radiata (topical use only), Peppermint, Clove, Tea Tree/Melaleuca (topical use only)

I love essential oils. But, be aware that they are EXTREMELY highly concentrated. If you're going to use them topically, please be cautious. Most people have to mix most of them with a carrier oil. Almond is one of the better ones, but olive oil is cheaper and works as well. And if you're not going to use them topically, please be cautious. Most of the oils listed here can cause serious burns if you're sensitive to them.

http://www.aromaweb.com/articles/safety.asp

And most importantly, SOME OILS ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR PREGNANT WOMEN! Cinnamon and clove for sure from this list are not ok. I would also stay away from peppermint while pregnant. I don't know enough about mountain savory or cypress to know if they're safe or not. I've used eucalyptus, TTO, and oregano oils while pregnant, but please do your own research.

Oh, garlic is your best friend. :) It's anti viral, anti bacterial, anti fungal. And anti unwanted company if you eat enough of it. :lol

[TK Burk]

Dr. Mercola just posted his report entitled "Critical Alert: The Swine Flu Pandemic – Fact or Fiction?" Here is an excerpt:

My guess is that you can expect to see a lot of panic over this issue in the near future. But the key is to remain calm -- this isn't the first time the public has been warned about swine flu. The last time was in 1976, right before I entered medical school and I remember it very clearly. It resulted in the massive swine flu vaccine campaign.

Do you happen to recall the result of this massive campaign?

Within a few months, claims totaling $1.3 billion had been filed by victims who had suffered paralysis from the vaccine. The vaccine was also blamed for 25 deaths.

However, several hundred people developed crippling Guillain-Barré Syndrome after they were injected with the swine flu vaccine. Even healthy 20-year-olds ended up as paraplegics.

And the swine flu pandemic itself? It never materialized.

Read his study HERE (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx)

[Ron]

As a good rule of thumb for everyday life "Swineflu or no Swineflu" taking Cold FX has helped lessen the severity of colds & flus as well as taking large does (1,000 MG) of Vitamin C helps.

Although it is a true fact, everyone responds differently.

http://www.cold-fx.com/

[Ferd]

Dr. Mercola just posted his report entitled "Critical Alert: The Swine Flu Pandemic – Fact or Fiction?" Here is an excerpt:

My guess is that you can expect to see a lot of panic over this issue in the near future. But the key is to remain calm -- this isn't the first time the public has been warned about swine flu. The last time was in 1976, right before I entered medical school and I remember it very clearly. It resulted in the massive swine flu vaccine campaign.

Do you happen to recall the result of this massive campaign?

Within a few months, claims totaling $1.3 billion had been filed by victims who had suffered paralysis from the vaccine. The vaccine was also blamed for 25 deaths.

However, several hundred people developed crippling Guillain-Barré Syndrome after they were injected with the swine flu vaccine. Even healthy 20-year-olds ended up as paraplegics.

And the swine flu pandemic itself? It never materialized.

Read his study HERE (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx)


very good information there! the 1976 "pandimic" that never actually materialized was highly politicized and in turn companies were ordered to produce a vaccine, against their better judgement, they did nad people got more hurt by the vaccine than by the flu it was supposed to protect against.

this is the event that led to many flu vaccination companies leaving the USA entirely as they were sued for killing so many and paralyzing so many more.

[Digging4Truth]

D4T has the right ideas here, that's for sure. :) One caution...these things listed in this post are no more natural than over the counter medications. They need to be approached and used with education and caution, just like any other medication, ointment, salve, anything really.

Silver doesn't come in colloidal form in nature, essential oils have to be extracted. They're highly effective, when used properly, but they do have risks. The silver risks have been mentioned. I've never used colloidal silver or gold because I'm not satisfied that there is a source that's safe. I do know that there's a point where the ppm is safe, but without the equipment to measure that, you don't know what you have. It's why I never made my own, and when I was shopping around I didn't find a source I trusted.



I love essential oils. But, be aware that they are EXTREMELY highly concentrated. If you're going to use them topically, please be cautious. Most people have to mix most of them with a carrier oil. Almond is one of the better ones, but olive oil is cheaper and works as well. And if you're not going to use them topically, please be cautious. Most of the oils listed here can cause serious burns if you're sensitive to them.

http://www.aromaweb.com/articles/safety.asp

And most importantly, SOME OILS ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR PREGNANT WOMEN! Cinnamon and clove for sure from this list are not ok. I would also stay away from peppermint while pregnant. I don't know enough about mountain savory or cypress to know if they're safe or not. I've used eucalyptus, TTO, and oregano oils while pregnant, but please do your own research.

Oh, garlic is your best friend. :) It's anti viral, anti bacterial, anti fungal. And anti unwanted company if you eat enough of it. :lol

Excellent post my friend...

Thanks for all the info...

My wife was trying to convince me of a product one time and as part of her argument she stated "It's all natural"... to which I replied... Peyote is all natural. LOL

All things taken into our bodies... From Silver, to Sarafem, to Snickers.... should be taken in wisdom and following educating oneself.

[LUKE2447]

hey! its Luke 94285923573694651233247+62793543478534078923-893409834823432897=6346545634567484564302354784548 7

Whats up?


Please share some really good Non-Pham cures! I am thinking about right now we need some of that info!



?????

to your other point. It's not hard. Olive leaf and a good cross culture of Vitamine C sources.

[LUKE2447]

very good information there! the 1976 "pandimic" that never actually materialized was highly politicized and in turn companies were ordered to produce a vaccine, against their better judgement, they did nad people got more hurt by the vaccine than by the flu it was supposed to protect against.

this is the event that led to many flu vaccination companies leaving the USA entirely as they were sued for killing so many and paralyzing so many more.

way to use your source Ferd... hehehe

[LUKE2447]

Don't use silver! short term it is ok but long term no. Also you don't want a lot of hard metals in your body when other natural sources work just as good or better.

[Digging4Truth]

Don't use silver! short term it is ok but long term no. Also you don't want a lot of hard metals in your body when other natural sources work just as good or better.

What are some good natural antibiotics? (Not that I am going to stop using Colloidal Silver... )

[Ferd]

way to use your source Ferd... hehehe

what source? unless my memory can be considered a source?

[LUKE2447]

What are some good natural antibiotics?


Olive leaf is one of the best ever. Use it and use alot of it. One of the best books written on the subject here....

http://www.drmortonwalker.com/display_26.html

You can buy olive leaf powder to put into capsule or capsule form here for a excellent price and it's organic.

http://www.barefootherbalistmh.com/page0.html

That with Oregano Oil, Garlic, etc... work excellent. Then use a natural form of Vit C that has multiple sources is the best if you are going to go pill/capsule form.

[LUKE2447]

what source? unless my memory can be considered a source?

mercola.com is a excellent site that I promote all the time.

[Ferd]

?????

to your other point. It's not hard. Olive leaf and a good cross culture of Vitamine C sources.

LOL! your name Luke2449.... numbers are funny.

[HeavenlyOne]

I thought it was from your family photo album!! :ursofunny

Crud. I forgot that I showed you that pic of my brother!!

[Ferd]

mercola.com is a excellent site that I promote all the time.

see you are a veritable font of information!

[nahkoe]

Olive leaf is one of the best ever. Use it and use alot of it. One of the best books written on the subject here....

http://www.drmortonwalker.com/display_26.html

You can buy olive leaf powder to put into capsule or capsule form here for a excellent price and it's organic.

http://www.barefootherbalistmh.com/page0.html

That with Oregano Oil, Garlic, etc... work excellent. Then use a natural form of Vit C that has multiple sources is the best if you are going to go pill/capsule form.

There is no magic cure, no magic pill, no magic herb, no magic supplment, no magic food.

Buying dried or prepared (especially capsuled!) herbs isn't a very good idea unless you're extremely familiar with your source. There are good sources for dried FRESH herbs out there if you look around. Different methods of preparing an herb will increase different properties. Capsules are one of the least effective no matter what herb you're talking about. Most need to be infused (steeped like a tea) or tinctured (alcohol is usually better for extracting, but for those who need to or want to avoid alcohol, glycerin tinctures are ok too, not usually as powerful though) to be most effective.

I would not purchase from this site. I would not purchase from any site with Dr Christopher's name attached to it. But, this is my own personal decision after researching. You do what you feel ok doing after researching. :)

Olive leaf is an interesting herb. :) But then again I think all herbs are fascinating. It's not one that I've studied enough to feel comfortable suggesting, especially since I'm not finding good scientific data right now that suggest it's even antiviral or antibacterial. (the sources I'm finding say that it may be, or appears to be) If you do decide to use this, be very cautious if you're diabetic or hyoglycemic or have low blood pressure. It lowers blood pressure and blood sugar.

[nahkoe]

What are some good natural antibiotics? (Not that I am going to stop using Colloidal Silver... )

I like grapefruit seed extract. Follow directions on the bottle closely! This stuff will burn the stuffing out of you if you don't dilute it properly!

Goldenseal is antibiotic, but it's also endangered. Oregon Grape Root is fairly similiar to goldenseal and I actually like it better after using and studying both.

Garlic is anti bad guys.

Tea tree oil is something I've used a lot.

[HeavenlyOne]

And keep in mind that a lot of medications don't go well with many herbals. Before starting ANY herbal medicine, speak to your doctor, regardless of how harmless it may seem. St. John's Wort is one such herbal med that CANNOT be taken with most medications, even though it seems to be so popular.

[nahkoe]

And keep in mind that a lot of medications don't go well with many herbals. Before starting ANY herbal medicine, speak to your doctor, regardless of how harmless it may seem. St. John's Wort is one such herbal med that CANNOT be taken with most medications, even though it seems to be so popular.

This too. St John's Wort is pretty nasty mixed with other medications, as well as some other herbs.

I'd suggest speaking to a pharmacist over a doctor though. They know the chemical compositions of both the herbs and the medications, it's what they do. :) They're far more aware of what chemicals react and how than most doctors are. Just a matter of time for doctors, they really can't know everything about everything. :) A *reputable* herbalist will also know what can and can't be mixed. If I had to pick someone cold though, I'd go with the pharmacist. They have to study to get their degree vs an herbalist who can read a few books and say they know what they're doing. (yes, a major point of contention for me..)

[HeavenlyOne]

This too. St John's Wort is pretty nasty mixed with other medications, as well as some other herbs.

I'd suggest speaking to a pharmacist over a doctor though. They know the chemical compositions of both the herbs and the medications, it's what they do. :) They're far more aware of what chemicals react and how than most doctors are. Just a matter of time for doctors, they really can't know everything about everything. :) A *reputable* herbalist will also know what can and can't be mixed. If I had to pick someone cold though, I'd go with the pharmacist. They have to study to get their degree vs an herbalist who can read a few books and say they know what they're doing. (yes, a major point of contention for me..)

While that's also a good idea, the doctor needs to know what his patients are taking 'on the side'.

[crakjak]

It is another WHO hoax folks, don't get your drawers in a wad over it. Avoid the vacines, because they are very dangerous to your health.

The barbarians are in control, look out for your money, your health and your sanity!!!

The fearful and the unbelieving!!! The media, the medical industry, and the government!

I have never had the flu, nor any vacine for the flu, nor do I intend to ever have either in the future. Praise God for life and health in all my flesh, and not weapon formed against me shall prosper.

[Tina]

What are some good natural antibiotics? (Not that I am going to stop using Colloidal Silver... )

Garlic is one of the very best. (Pick the odorless though, and anyone who gets close to you will greatly appreciate it!)

Check out Myrrh Gum Capsules and let me know what you think. *Note: they are for short term usage only. I've done a good bit of research on it. I tried them for ear infections and sinus infections and they knocked them both out completely. They will also relieve an abcessed tooth in less than 48 hours.

[Esther]

Any thing for a 81 year old man with lung disease? He has emphemia AND abesto ?? something.

[nahkoe]

Any thing for a 81 year old man with lung disease? He has emphemia AND abesto ?? something.

I will NOT prescribe....

But, you might want to read about cherry bark, licorice, mullein, and lobelia. Make sure to double check med reactions and any other health issues that these herbs may impact (sometimes favorably, but especially if you're medicating it's something you want to watch very closely!)

I'll warn you now you're going to get a lot of cautions about lobelia, they are well founded. It's probably one of the most powerful herbs for the lungs out there. One that definitely deserves great caution...

If you can consult with a properly trained ND (look for someone who's graduated from Bastyr if you can...there are other schools though too that are legitimate) it'd be well worth your time.

[Praxeas]

BTW since the flu is viral, you get it by getting water molecules from someone's cough or sneeze in the air or they transmit it to your hand via a hand shake or to the surface of an object you touch and then you transmit it to your respiratory system by touching your mouth, nose or eyes...how is this silver supposed to protect you?

[Praxeas]

It is another WHO hoax folks, don't get your drawers in a wad over it. Avoid the vacines, because they are very dangerous to your health.

The barbarians are in control, look out for your money, your health and your sanity!!!

The fearful and the unbelieving!!! The media, the medical industry, and the government!

I have never had the flu, nor any vacine for the flu, nor do I intend to ever have either in the future. Praise God for life and health in all my flesh, and not weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Well I have had the flu and ended up in the Hospital because of it. Ever since then I have taken the vaccine and not gotten the flu or gotten only mild cases

[nahkoe]

BTW since the flu is viral, you get it by getting water molecules from someone's cough or sneeze in the air or they transmit it to your hand via a hand shake or to the surface of an object you touch and then you transmit it to your respiratory system by touching your mouth, nose or eyes...how is this silver supposed to protect you?

Colloidal silver prevents the replication of the virus inside your body, preventing you from getting sick. Or so say the proponents of it. :)

[Praxeas]

Colloidal silver prevents the replication of the virus inside your body, preventing you from getting sick. Or so say the proponents of it. :)
But it would have to be in the blood stream....

[oletime]

right on crax, something like 36000 people die every year in this country from the flu so how many more do you suppose die in other countries that dont have the medical care we do , millions. so why the big deal? its media ratings that are important. only one person so far has died, a boy in texas, who by the way was a mexican kid that came to visit family and was sick when he got here! oh and by the way, now what do you suppose obama wants to do? you guessed it, throw money at it of course. 1.5 billion to be exact. this is the most clueless president we have ever had.

[nahkoe]

But it would have to be in the blood stream....

It would?

1. A virus doesn't have to be in the blood. They can enter the body through the mouth, nose, etc.

2. Even if it does have to be in the blood, food and water enter the bloodstream through the intestines. That would account for the silver and the virus being in the bloodstream at the same time.

[Truthseeker]

I heard when one gets the swine flu it effects their speech, all they can say is oink oink! Is it true?






















































:)

[LUKE2447]

There is no magic cure, no magic pill, no magic herb, no magic supplment, no magic food.

Buying dried or prepared (especially capsuled!) herbs isn't a very good idea unless you're extremely familiar with your source. There are good sources for dried FRESH herbs out there if you look around. Different methods of preparing an herb will increase different properties. Capsules are one of the least effective no matter what herb you're talking about. Most need to be infused (steeped like a tea) or tinctured (alcohol is usually better for extracting, but for those who need to or want to avoid alcohol, glycerin tinctures are ok too, not usually as powerful though) to be most effective.

I would not purchase from this site. I would not purchase from any site with Dr Christopher's name attached to it. But, this is my own personal decision after researching. You do what you feel ok doing after researching. :)

Olive leaf is an interesting herb. :) But then again I think all herbs are fascinating. It's not one that I've studied enough to feel comfortable suggesting, especially since I'm not finding good scientific data right now that suggest it's even antiviral or antibacterial. (the sources I'm finding say that it may be, or appears to be) If you do decide to use this, be very cautious if you're diabetic or hyoglycemic or have low blood pressure. It lowers blood pressure and blood sugar.


I am very familiar with it and he does a excellent job. MH is a certified herbalist who studied under Dr. Christopher's son. Not that he agrees with him on everything but he is a Master Herbalist. Again you can say what you want but I know and can trust Joel Berry! Who is the owner of Country Baskets. I find it funny your suggestion not to buy as you don't know anything about him.

I would purchase from this site and try to learn as much as possible from him as he is very intelligent in the herb field. You don't have a clue about him as I do.

I am trying to be simple with people as I know tinctures and how to create all the formulas. Also what is amusing is you think people are going to do the whole tincture thing? LOL! I have been around people way to long to know most don't. Make it easy for them and they will want to learn as they see what works and what does not. Then they will do the more intensive things. Most stuff on the market is light weight scam that is not strong nor does it work as well as others. MH is a good man and will do what is right for a person that I know for sure.

[LUKE2447]

Colloidal silver prevents the replication of the virus inside your body, preventing you from getting sick. Or so say the proponents of it. :)

Colloidal Silver is not that answer and would be a last resort. You don't need heavy metals to do the job.

[Praxeas]

It would?

1. A virus doesn't have to be in the blood. They can enter the body through the mouth, nose, etc.

2. Even if it does have to be in the blood, food and water enter the bloodstream through the intestines. That would account for the silver and the virus being in the bloodstream at the same time.
You gonna rub the silver on the nose or hold in the mouth?

BTW if you read what I posted I said where it enters...mouth, nose and eyes (don't forget that), but it will then get into the blood stream.

2...that was what I said...the silver has to be in the bloodstream. So when someone "drinks" this stuff it is being absorbed into the blood stream. So now my next question is how is it removed?

[RandyWayne]

Eat more pork. The other white meat.

[nahkoe]

I am very familiar with it and he does a excellent job. MH is a certified herbalist who studied under Dr. Christopher's son. Not that he agrees with him on everything but he is a Master Herbalist. Again you can say what you want but I know and can trust Joel Berry! Who is the owner of Country Baskets. I find it funny your suggestion not to buy as you don't know anything about him.

I would purchase from this site and try to learn as much as possible from him as he is very intelligent in the herb field. You don't have a clue about him as I do.

I am trying to be simple with people as I know tinctures and how to create all the formulas. Also what is amusing is you think people are going to do the whole tincture thing? LOL! I have been around people way to long to know most don't. Make it easy for them and they will want to learn as they see what works and what does not. Then they will do the more intensive things. Most stuff on the market is light weight scam that is not strong nor does it work as well as others. MH is a good man and will do what is right for a person that I know for sure.

I'm not quite as clueless as you think. :) Not all Master Herbalists are created equally. I looked through the site and knowing what I know, seeing what I saw there, I would not purchase from that site. I'm not telling anyone else what to do. If you're comfortable purchasing from that site having studied that specific herbalist more than I have, then by all means do.

No, I don't think people are going to do the whole tincture thing. But purchasing any tincture on the market is going to increase the chances that the herb will be effective, vs purchasing a powdered or capsuled form of an herb.

Making it easy....well, herbs aren't all that easy. Working with whole foods is easy. To pick an herb and eat it is one thing. To prepare it in any way and use it at medicinal levels is quite another. There are risks and there are cautions that MUST be taken. And this is the difference between Master Herbalists. :) Some disregard that risk or consider the general public to be too disinterested to take them into account. Others feel that without disclosing those risks they're doing a serious disservice to their clients.

[LUKE2447]

I'm not quite as clueless as you think. :) Not all Master Herbalists are created equally. I looked through the site and knowing what I know, seeing what I saw there, I would not purchase from that site. I'm not telling anyone else what to do. If you're comfortable purchasing from that site having studied that specific herbalist more than I have, then by all means do.

No, I don't think people are going to do the whole tincture thing. But purchasing any tincture on the market is going to increase the chances that the herb will be effective, vs purchasing a powdered or capsuled form of an herb.

Making it easy....well, herbs aren't all that easy. Working with whole foods is easy. To pick an herb and eat it is one thing. To prepare it in any way and use it at medicinal levels is quite another. There are risks and there are cautions that MUST be taken. And this is the difference between Master Herbalists. :) Some disregard that risk or consider the general public to be too disinterested to take them into account. Others feel that without disclosing those risks they're doing a serious disservice to their clients.


Again you don't know him and so basically you have nothing to say. The only thing you can question is his methods... Got any thing to show in that area? If so what? Have something against the base formulas of one of the most well known herbalists in history?

Also most people that have a clue about anything know tinctures "should be" very powerful but many are not that are sold on the market. You know that. Also I use both all the time and IMO though not as powerful, powder level is a good start for most as they increase levels at a more manageable level per capsule and they work fine from years of experience. If you want to add tincture fine but you better make it yourself because mostof the time they are all over the board when it comes to quality. Powder is more consistent when you "know" your source.

Herbs and the word easy.... Well in part I agree and in part I don't. Research is easy. Preparation is easy unless it's a tincture or something that is a little more work to get it right with experience. Knowing how to take it is easy as your research should tell how much to start with on a experimental basis. Knowing your body is probably the only real question but when trying something it should not be that big a deal when you simply check your bodies reaction at with a minimal intake. Most of the research should tell you anywhere like you just did what it generally effects. You should know your current condition and IF your doctor has a clue about herbs ask him. Good luck with that. Find a good herbalist that has a clue in your area or a doctor that studies in this area as well. Which is not very easy. In the end herbs ARE food, just some have higher levels of interaction with your body. Thus you should know the herb.

Concerning that site he will teach you what to do as it is not about money with him. He constantly harps on it's not about herbs in the first place as they only aid in areas and are not the solution. He gives much of what he does free without asking. Again know the person!

[LUKE2447]

Eat more pork. The other white meat.

congrats... you think you are smarter than God.

[Digging4Truth]

You gonna rub the silver on the nose or hold in the mouth?

BTW if you read what I posted I said where it enters...mouth, nose and eyes (don't forget that), but it will then get into the blood stream.

2...that was what I said...the silver has to be in the bloodstream. So when someone "drinks" this stuff it is being absorbed into the blood stream. So now my next question is how is it removed?

I have not been able to isolate the system of the body that is used to remove Colloidal Silver but tests that have been run on the efficacy and bioavailability of Colloidal Silver have shown that silver begins to show up in the bloodstream about 15 minutes after ingestion. It is absorbed into the bloodstream in the first few feet of the small intestine.

The nanoparticle level of Colloidal Silver continues to increase for 3-4 hours and then begins to taper off as it is removed by the bodies elimination system.

[LUKE2447]

RON PAUL talking common sense on Swine Flu ! He should have been our president!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-Y08qbjo

[Digging4Truth]

RON PAUL talking common sense on Swine Flu ! He should have been our president!

Well I can agree with that without even watching the video. :)

I agree with the premise that this whole thing is being hyped up. As has been said... one death in the US so far... not a really big deal... unless that one kid was mine.

Just being precautionary.

The thing I wish there were a natural remedy for is the further rights that we will lose if they can blow this up out of proportion like they want to.

The only thing we know for sure will happen with any big public scare is that the federal government will use it to take more power and authority that does not belong to it.

Okay... I am going to watch the video now.

[HeavenlyOne]

You gonna rub the silver on the nose or hold in the mouth?

BTW if you read what I posted I said where it enters...mouth, nose and eyes (don't forget that), but it will then get into the blood stream.

2...that was what I said...the silver has to be in the bloodstream. So when someone "drinks" this stuff it is being absorbed into the blood stream. So now my next question is how is it removed?

By the liver, most likely. The kidneys would excrete it but the liver metabolizes.

[LUKE2447]

Well I can agree with that without even watching the video. :)

I agree with the premise that this whole thing is being hyped up. As has been said... one death in the US so far... not a really big deal... unless that one kid was mine.

Just being precautionary.

The thing I wish there were a natural remedy for is the further rights that we will lose if they can blow this up out of proportion like they want to.

The only thing we know for sure will happen with any big public scare is that the federal government will use it to take more power and authority that does not belong to it.

Okay... I am going to watch the video now.


Pathetic isn't it!

[Hoovie]

Times are different and the challenge is for us to change with the times.

It was not so long ago that it was said we would have a black president when pigs fly...

Now Obama has been in office for a mere 100 days - and wouldn't you know it "Swine flew".

[MissBrattified]

Times are different and the challenge is for us to change with the times.

It was not so long ago that it was said we would have a black president when pigs fly...

Now Obama has been in office for a mere 100 days - and wouldn't you know it "Swine flew".

LOL, Stephen...that was quite a stretch...but funny, anyway. :D

[rgcraig]

Possible case in Collierville has been reported this morning.

Are they going to start making these announcements everytime someone has flu-like symptoms?

[Hoovie]

Possible case in Collierville has been reported this morning.

Are they going to start making these announcements everytime someone has flu-like symptoms?

I know I have it.

[ILG]

I have the flu. I got a flu shot ealier this year but there are not any confirmed cases of the swine flu that I know of here. I started getting chills last night and my nose started running horribly. I took a HOT bath and climbed into bed with flannel pajamas on and my heating blanket on and literally COOKED myself. About 12:30 A.M. the fever broke and I started feeling hot. During the fever I had to go to the bathroom and wondered if I was going to make it. I could barely move and barely got there and back. This morning I am a little under. Slept until 9:30 but am doing fairly well. Did some dishes even. Might take a nap this afternoon if I feel like I need it, but am surprised how well I am doing after the extremeness of last night.

[Esther]

Well I can agree with that without even watching the video. :)

I agree with the premise that this whole thing is being hyped up. As has been said... one death in the US so far... not a really big deal... unless that one kid was mine.

Just being precautionary.

The thing I wish there were a natural remedy for is the further rights that we will lose if they can blow this up out of proportion like they want to.

The only thing we know for sure will happen with any big public scare is that the federal government will use it to take more power and authority that does not belong to it.

Okay... I am going to watch the video now.


Yes the news in Houston this afternoon is saying if the spread increases rapidly that folks will have to accept that some of their freedoms will be restricted.

[RandyWayne]

I have the flu. I got a flu shot ealier this year but there are not any confirmed cases of the swine flu that I know of here. I started getting chills last night and my nose started running horribly. I took a HOT bath and climbed into bed with flannel pajamas on and my heating blanket on and literally COOKED myself. About 12:30 A.M. the fever broke and I started feeling hot. During the fever I had to go to the bathroom and wondered if I was going to make it. I could barely move and barely got there and back. This morning I am a little under. Slept until 9:30 but am doing fairly well. Did some dishes even. Might take a nap this afternoon if I feel like I need it, but am surprised how well I am doing after the extremeness of last night.

It's the flu.

You feel horrible for a day or two (or sometimes 3), but then you get better. The way THIS flu bug is being treated, you would think that we were dealing with a highly contagious air-born form of HIV!

Lots of orange juice (or any citrus), lots of rest, and a good comedy on the DVD player, are the best remedies.

[TulsaDavid]

One of Mexico's holidays is next week: Sicko de Mayo.

[RandyWayne]

One of Mexico's holidays is next week: Sicko de Mayo.

Long time, no see! (Or hear)

[TulsaDavid]

I know. Been busier than bacteria in New Orleans. :)

[LUKE2447]

I have the flu. I got a flu shot ealier this year but there are not any confirmed cases of the swine flu that I know of here. I started getting chills last night and my nose started running horribly. I took a HOT bath and climbed into bed with flannel pajamas on and my heating blanket on and literally COOKED myself. About 12:30 A.M. the fever broke and I started feeling hot. During the fever I had to go to the bathroom and wondered if I was going to make it. I could barely move and barely got there and back. This morning I am a little under. Slept until 9:30 but am doing fairly well. Did some dishes even. Might take a nap this afternoon if I feel like I need it, but am surprised how well I am doing after the extremeness of last night.

Flu shots are worthless!

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/11/18/do-flu-shots-work-ask-a-vaccine-manufacturer.aspx

[nahkoe]

Again you don't know him and so basically you have nothing to say. The only thing you can question is his methods... Got any thing to show in that area? If so what? Have something against the base formulas of one of the most well known herbalists in history?

Actually...yes. That's why I expressed caution and suggested people study. I stated that I would not purchase from a site that has Dr Christopher's name on it. That's my own personal decision after studying. I didn't tell anyone else to purchase, or not purchase. Anyone who wants to know more can research Dr Christopher, find out what the controversy is, make their own decisions about it, and decide whether or not this site is involved in that controversy or not (no idea) and whether or not they consider it a valuable resource or not. I don't understand why you're taking such a suggestion so personally. I'm not making any personal judgments about you or this guy you like so much. I'm not even making a personal judgment about Dr Christopher. But I have judged his formulas and I question very much the herbs he uses in some of them. Someone trained by him, or his son, or whatever, may use the herbs in the same way (or may not...again..why I suggested research..) and since I consider them to be unsafe in the way they're used by Dr Christopher...I'd obviously caution someone who isn't familiar with herbs against purchasing from a website with his name on it. It's easier than saying "and if this herb is used like this or here or there or in this way or combined with this or...." or otherwise inserting years and years of research into someone's brain.

You should know your current condition and IF your doctor has a clue about herbs ask him. Good luck with that. Find a good herbalist that has a clue in your area or a doctor that studies in this area as well. Which is not very easy. In the end herbs ARE food, just some have higher levels of interaction with your body. Thus you should know the herb.

Or become an herbalist. :dunno I get this impression that if you went to a good herbalist and they said something you don't agree with you'd just say they're a bad herbalist and find one who agrees with you. A good herbalist is going to issue exactly the same cautions I have in this thread. That's one of the marks of a good herbalist, that they're aware of the risks. A good herbalist is also aware of when those risks are worth taking, however. That's not something any herbalist, good or bad, can do in a thread like this. So my cautions stand. They're simply there to caution the consumer to do a bit of research on their own before blindly taking something just because someone else (who isn't qualified to prescribe) said it's a good thing to take.

We don't disagree on the conclusions we've drawn, for the most part. Education, training and experience has caused my views regarding modern western medicine and herbalism and other natural healing methods to be much more moderate than they were initially. I do not discount natural medicine. On the contrary, I live and breathe natural healing. This was my life for too many years, my passion and my love.

Issuing a caution about using herbs medicinally is not because I don't believe in them or feel they're valuable. It's because I know these herbs. I'm intimately acquainted with them. I know their dark side as well as their light side. Yes, herbs are food. But when you start extracting, tincturing, drying, powdering, capsuling them, you are no longer using them as food. You are using them in a way that leaves far more room for their light side and their dark side to display themselves.

[LUKE2447]

Actually...yes. That's why I expressed caution and suggested people study. I stated that I would not purchase from a site that has Dr Christopher's name on it. That's my own personal decision after studying. I didn't tell anyone else to purchase, or not purchase. Anyone who wants to know more can research Dr Christopher, find out what the controversy is, make their own decisions about it, and decide whether or not this site is involved in that controversy or not (no idea) and whether or not they consider it a valuable resource or not. I don't understand why you're taking such a suggestion so personally. I'm not making any personal judgments about you or this guy you like so much. I'm not even making a personal judgment about Dr Christopher. But I have judged his formulas and I question very much the herbs he uses in some of them. Someone trained by him, or his son, or whatever, may use the herbs in the same way (or may not...again..why I suggested research..) and since I consider them to be unsafe in the way they're used by Dr Christopher...I'd obviously caution someone who isn't familiar with herbs against purchasing from a website with his name on it. It's easier than saying "and if this herb is used like this or here or there or in this way or combined with this or...." or otherwise inserting years and years of research into someone's brain.



Or become an herbalist. :dunno I get this impression that if you went to a good herbalist and they said something you don't agree with you'd just say they're a bad herbalist and find one who agrees with you. A good herbalist is going to issue exactly the same cautions I have in this thread. That's one of the marks of a good herbalist, that they're aware of the risks. A good herbalist is also aware of when those risks are worth taking, however. That's not something any herbalist, good or bad, can do in a thread like this. So my cautions stand. They're simply there to caution the consumer to do a bit of research on their own before blindly taking something just because someone else (who isn't qualified to prescribe) said it's a good thing to take.

We don't disagree on the conclusions we've drawn, for the most part. Education, training and experience has caused my views regarding modern western medicine and herbalism and other natural healing methods to be much more moderate than they were initially. I do not discount natural medicine. On the contrary, I live and breathe natural healing. This was my life for too many years, my passion and my love.

Issuing a caution about using herbs medicinally is not because I don't believe in them or feel they're valuable. It's because I know these herbs. I'm intimately acquainted with them. I know their dark side as well as their light side. Yes, herbs are food. But when you start extracting, tincturing, drying, powdering, capsuling them, you are no longer using them as food. You are using them in a way that leaves far more room for their light side and their dark side to display themselves.

Most of the stuff on the market with his name on it is not even worth buying as it was sold many years ago. MH (Joel Berry)will tell you that and would not buy anything that has his name on it. Not because of Dr. Christopher or his formulas but what is sold is not his anymore and not the samething Dr. Christopher used. Also I would consider MH farther ahead than him anyway.

I like Joel but he is not who I depend on for my herbal studies but is a supplement. I like him because you only can find few people you can depend on for the truth and he is one of them. He is honest and a straight shooter.

[Ron]

Swineflu is all the rage right now but apparently Birdflu is making a comeback in Orlando, Florida!



http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e21/Ronb26/birdfluehitsflorida.jpg

[Sherri]

We're leaving Monday for an overseas flight, so I have a call in to my doctor to get a prescription for Tamaflu - to start taking it the day before we get on the plane. I don't really like the idea of being confined for 8-9 hours at a time in recirculated airspace. I hope my doctor comes through!

[RandyWayne]

We're going to be stuck in an airplane leaving Phoenix Int tomorrow for about 45 minutes. We'll probably be fine............

[Mrs. LPW]

:toofunny


Swineflu is all the rage right now but apparently Birdflu is making a comeback in Orlando, Florida!



http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e21/Ronb26/birdfluehitsflorida.jpg

[Pragmatist]

We're leaving Monday for an overseas flight, so I have a call in to my doctor to get a prescription for Tamaflu - to start taking it the day before we get on the plane. I don't really like the idea of being confined for 8-9 hours at a time in recirculated airspace. I hope my doctor comes through!

I wouldn't take it unless you get the flu. Tamiflu has risks of its own.

[Esther]

Just received this email.

April 29, 2009
After I returned from a public health meeting yesterday with community leaders and school officials in Comal County , Heather suggested I send an update to everyone, because what we are hearing privately from the CDC and Health Department is so different from what you are hearing in the media. Some of you or maybe all of you know this, but I will just list what facts I know.

- The virus is infectious for about 2 days prior to symptom onset
- Virus sheds more than 7 days after symptom onset (possibly as long as 9 days) (this is unusual)
- Since it is such a novel (new) virus, there is no "herd immunity," so the "attack rate" is very high. This is the percentage of people who come down with a virus if exposed. Almost everyone who is exposed to this virus will become infected, though not all will be symptomatc. That is much higher than seasonal flu, which averages 10-15%. The "clinical attack rate" may be around 40-50%. This is the number of people who show symptoms. This is a huge number. It is hard to convey the seriousness of this.
- The virulence (deadliness) of this virus is as bad here as in Mexico , and there are folks on ventilators here in the US , right now. This has not been in the media, but a 23 month old near here is fighting for his life, and a pregnant woman just south of San Antonio is fighting for her life. In Mexico , these folks might have died already, but here in the US , folks are getting Tamiflu or Relenza quickly, and we have ready access to ventilators. What this means is that within a couple of weeks, regional hospitals will likely become overwhelmed.
- Some of the kids with positive cases in Comal County had more than 70 contacts before diagnosis.
- There are 10-25 times more actual cases (not "possible" cases -- actual), than what is being reported in the media. The way they fudge on reporting this is that it takes 3 days to get the confirmatory nod from the CDC on a given viral culture, but based on epidemiological grounds, we know that there are more than 10 cases for each "confirmed" case right now.
- During the night, we crossed the threshold for the definition of a WHO, Phase 6 global pandemic. This has not happened in any of our lifetimes so far. We are in uncharted territory.
- I expect President Obama will declare an emergency sometime in the next 72-96 hours. This may not happen, but if it doesn't, I will be surprised. When this happens, all public gathering will be cancelled for 10 days.
- I suggest all of us avoid public gatherings. Outdoor activities are not as likely to lead to infection. It is contained areas and close contact that are the biggest risk.
- Tamiflu is running out. There is a national stockpile, but it will have to be carefully managed, as it is not enough to treat the likely number of infections when this is full-blown. I don't think there is a big supply of Relenza, but I do not know those numbers. If I had to choose, I would take Relenza, as I think it gets more drug to the affected tissue than Tamiflu.
- You should avoid going to the ER if you think you have been exposed or are symptomatic. ER 's south of here are becoming overwhelmed -- and I mean that -- already. It is coming in waves, but the waves are getting bigger.
- It appears that this flu produces a distinctive "hoarseness" in many victims. The symptoms, in general, match other flu's; namely, sore throat, body aches, headache, cough, and fever. Some have all these symptoms, while others may have only one or two.
- N-Acetyl-Cysteine -- a nutritional supplement available at the health food store or Wimberley Pharmacy, has been shown to prevent or lessen the severity of influenza. I suggest 1200mg, twice a day for adults, and 600mg twice a day in kids over 12. It would be hard to get kids under 12 to take it, but you could try opening the capsules and putting it on yogurt. For 40 pounds and up, 300-600 mg twice a day, for less than 40 pounds, half that.
- Oscillococinum, a homeopathic remedy, has been vindicated as quite effective in a large clinical trial in Europe , with an H1N1 variant. You can buy this at Hill Country Natural Foods, or the Wimberley Pharmacy.

[Ferd]

I saw a report earlier that this H1N1 virus lacks the gene that made the 1981 outbreak so deadly.

[Esther]

I saw a report earlier that this H1N1 virus lacks the gene that made the 1981 outbreak so deadly.

I hope that is true. But I plan to trust Jesus will keep us all safe. :)

[Ferd]

I hope that is true. But I plan to trust Jesus will keep us all safe. :)

do you know the dr that wrote this email and did he send it directly to you or was this an email from a friend who got it from a freind?

[ILG]

I am still sicker than a dog. Don't know if it's swine flu or not. But it's definately the flu. Last night I hardly slept at all because my nose was running constantly, I could not breathe through my nose and I was very thirsty and so was making lots of bathroom trips too. Yuck. I hate being sick!!

[Esther]

do you know the dr that wrote this email and did he send it directly to you or was this an email from a friend who got it from a freind?

I received it from a friend. This doctor is from New Brunsfel area.

[Esther]

I am still sicker than a dog. Don't know if it's swine flu or not. But it's definately the flu. Last night I hardly slept at all because my nose was running constantly, I could not breathe through my nose and I was very thirsty and so was making lots of bathroom trips too. Yuck. I hate being sick!!

I hate that. Pray you get better quickly.

[Esther]

do you know the dr that wrote this email and did he send it directly to you or was this an email from a friend who got it from a freind?

I just checked with my niece that is going to nursing school in La. She said the media is saying there is not many in the ER with it, but the truth is the ER is full.

[HeavenlyOne]

I just checked with my niece that is going to nursing school in La. She said the media is saying there is not many in the ER with it, but the truth is the ER is full.

Understand that the ER isn't full of people with the flu, but the media hype will cause anyone with any sign of sniffle or illness to suspect swine flu, and people who wouldn't ordinarily go to the ER with those symptoms will now flood ER's everywhere.

[Esther]

I just found out that someone in my church is suspected of having it and she is very upset.

I know God can keep His hand on each of us and keep us safe.

[Ron]

I just found out that someone in my church is suspected of having it and she is very upset.

I know God can keep His hand on each of us and keep us safe.

Amen! This is a time God can show himself strong on our behalf!:thumbsup

[HeavenlyOne]

To be honest, I think the media hype is causing a panic. Does swine flu make one very sick? Yes. Do you have to panic about it? No. Just keep fluids going and get plenty of rest for the duration.

[nahkoe]

To be honest, I think the media hype is causing a panic. Does swine flu make one very sick? Yes. Do you have to panic about it? No. Just keep fluids going and get plenty of rest for the duration.

Yep. It's the flu. Do what you do for the flu. Go to the doctor when you would for the flu. Life goes on.

About the only thing I'm doing differently right now is wiping the registers at work with saniwipes more often. I work fast food..and with money..I already wash my hands 3000 times a day and use gallons of sanitizer... I can't decide if I'm at higher risk due to coming into contact with people (and their dirty money!) who are too sick to come inside (oh yes, this happens..you have no idea how many people suggest I wash my hands because they're very sick....gah.....stay home!) or if I'm at lower risk because I know I'm at risk and wash my hands all the time.

[HeavenlyOne]

Yep. It's the flu. Do what you do for the flu. Go to the doctor when you would for the flu. Life goes on.

About the only thing I'm doing differently right now is wiping the registers at work with saniwipes more often. I work fast food..and with money..I already wash my hands 3000 times a day and use gallons of sanitizer... I can't decide if I'm at higher risk due to coming into contact with people (and their dirty money!) who are too sick to come inside (oh yes, this happens..you have no idea how many people suggest I wash my hands because they're very sick....gah.....stay home!) or if I'm at lower risk because I know I'm at risk and wash my hands all the time.

I can't stress enough about hand washing and how it's the best thing to combat this illness.

However, unless I was at risk for serious complications, going to the doc would be the last thing I'd do. If one is infected, they put everyone, including those that are high risk, in danger of getting sick as well.

If one is sick, stay home.

[rgcraig]

I took a vacation day today and wasn't at work to find out that they are preparing to close for seven days if the case in Collierville is confirmed. WHAT?

I cannot believe that it's getting this much attention and people are actually going to these lengths!

I shopped in Collierville today and did think about it, but I just made sure I washed my hands good. Where I was getting my oil changed and tires rotated - the guy kept sneezing without covering his mouth - - it was grossing me out. I just made sure I didn't touch anything he did and stayed away from him!

[nahkoe]

I can't stress enough about hand washing and how it's the best thing to combat this illness.

However, unless I was at risk for serious complications, going to the doc would be the last thing I'd do. If one is infected, they put everyone, including those that are high risk, in danger of getting sick as well.

If one is sick, stay home.

What she said. Cuz English is obviously an easier language for her than me. lol Stay home unless you truly need medical attention. Fingernails turning blue cuz you can't breathe? Yeah, might be a good time to get some medical attention. Body aches and fever? Eh...you'll live. Go to bed and sleep. Keep your germs at home!

[ILG]

I hate that. Pray you get better quickly.

Thanks!

[HeavenlyOne]

What she said. Cuz English is obviously an easier language for her than me. lol Stay home unless you truly need medical attention. Fingernails turning blue cuz you can't breathe? Yeah, might be a good time to get some medical attention. Body aches and fever? Eh...you'll live. Go to bed and sleep. Keep your germs at home!

LOL!

In addition, looking up stats from the CDC on deaths related to influenza....interestingly enough, they claim that from 1979-2001, there were over 40,000 deaths a year in the US alone! That's over 100 deaths a day!!

So why are we suddenly panicked over swine flu??

[Sherri]

I'm reading Psalm 91 aloud and claiming it for me and my family! "No plague shall come nigh my dwelling."

[Esther]

I'm reading Psalm 91 aloud and claiming it for me and my family! "No plague shall come nigh my dwelling."

Amen.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yo EB,

so what are you saying? Are you suggesting the White House doesnt want the public to focus on terror suspects being tortured?

Oh no, perish the thought, my goodness, I mean, with all the coverage of the issues on torture and water boarding, we can hardly find anything about the articles about the monkey virus, eh, I mean, the legionnaires disease, or was it groundhog virus or bird flu? Oh yeah Swine Flu!

380 million people in America and we are losing sleep over one death?

Yes my dear Brother, it sounds like distraction.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[HeavenlyOne]

LadyRev called and said a mutual friend of ours thinks she has it. Good grief...everyone with a sniffle or sore spot is going to think they have it now!

IF you think you have it, the best thing you can do is STAY HOME!!! Don't go to the dr, don't go to the hospital, and for God's sake, DON'T GO TO CHURCH TO GET PRAYED FOR!!

Rest and drink plenty of fluids. That's all you can do.

[Evang.Benincasa]

LadyRev called and said a mutual friend of ours thinks she has it. Good grief...everyone with a sniffle or sore spot is going to think they have it now!

IF you think you have it, the best thing you can do is STAY HOME!!! Don't go to the dr, don't go to the hospital, and for God's sake, DON'T GO TO CHURCH TO GET PRAYED FOR!!

Rest and drink plenty of fluids. That's all you can do.

They're coming to get you, Barbara!

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[Evang.Benincasa]

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-30-voa47.cfm

Was the above on the front pages of our newspapers?

Yet swine flu has taken over the press.

What fear mongering. What a distraction and manipulation of the huddled masses.

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In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[HeavenlyOne]

One case of probable swine flu and a school will close for a week. Have four kids from different schools and you close down four schools for a week. Yes, this is happening everywhere. Ridiculous. And a waste of taxpayer monies as well.

[Evang.Benincasa]

One case of probable swine flu and a school will close for a week. Have four kids from different schools and you close down four schools for a week. Yes, this is happening everywhere. Ridiculous. And a waste of taxpayer monies as well.

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Why Pay Taxes, When We Can Just Keep Printing Money!

:ursofunny

[Ron]

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-30-voa47.cfm

Was the above on the front pages of our newspapers?

Yet swine flu has taken over the press.

What fear mongering. What a distraction and manipulation of the huddled masses.

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In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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Why Pay Taxes, When We Can Just Keep Printing Money!

:ursofunny

ROFL!:ursofunny

[helen_febus]

I have not taken the time to read all the posts as my computer is in the shop and I can get on my husbands computer only when he takes a break from writing. He is trying to get a second book finished and published before our trip to the IL Conference.

Anyway, Coconut oil is antiviral. My husband and I used to get several colds a year; however, after using Organic extra virgin coconut oil regularly for a while; we have not had a cold or flu for over 8 months. Our house used to be full of a natural herbal product called Airborn; which did help, but Coconut oil has actually stopped us from getting colds and flu.
I don't have the time to post the articles; so if you are interested in learning more just Google Organic extra virgin Coconut oil.

Of course, we also started eating Organic about 8 months ago too, and I am sure this also helps a lot.

Sister Helen Febus

[Evang.Benincasa]

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MEXICO CITY - Mexico reported no new deaths from swine flu overnight — more reason to be optimistic that the worst is over at the epicenter of the outbreak.

But the virus keeps spreading around the world, with new cases confirmed in Europe and Asia, and governments banning flights and preparing quarantines.

China worked aggressively to track down people who may have been near a sick Mexican tourist, sealing 305 people inside a Hong Kong hotel where he stayed and hospitalizing 15 fellow passengers. The man developed a fever after arriving in the Chinese territory and was isolated in stable condition Saturday.

South Korea reported Asia's second confirmed case — a woman just back from Mexico — and other governments also prepared to quarantine passengers, eager to show how they have learned from the deadly SARS epidemic in 2003, when Hong Kong was criticized for imposing quarantines too slowly.

Come on people we have 300 MILLION people in AMERICA and only one dead person who came from another country?



















































BOO!


:nahnah

[Evang.Benincasa]

Swine Flu Rages, and Only Ten Deaths World Wide!?!?!

6.77 billion in our earth's population and only ten people dead?

Are we really that bored?

Does the media really effect us like Pavlov's dog?

Are we so chicken little in our mind sets about the world we live in?

Can the government manipulate us that easily through fear to get our minds of more pressing issues?

We are being taken for a ride.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Esther]

[QUOTE=Evang.Benincasa;745122][SIZE="5"]Swine Flu [SIZE="5"]Rages, and Only Ten Deaths World Wide!?!?!

6.77 billion in our earth's population and only ten people dead?

Are we really that bored?

Does the media really effect us like Pavlov's dog?

Are we so chicken little in our mind sets about the world we live in?

Can the government manipulate us that easily through fear to get our minds of more pressing issues?

We are being taken for a ride.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

[url]www.OnTimeJournal.com

Not sure where your source of information is from but more than 10 died in Mexico alone.

[nahkoe]

Not sure where your source of information is from but more than 10 died in Mexico alone.

WHO is only reporting 16 confirmed deaths in Mexico, 1 in the US, with no other countries reporting any deaths.

Mexico has 397 confirmed cases (this is today's update I'm reading...).

[Evang.Benincasa]

WHO stated that May 1 2009 they had confirmed that ten were dead.

They later updated that to 16, now we jump to the whopping 397?

Where are all the body bags?

They can't get their story straight and we should get running to the hills?

Anyone want to buy some swamp land?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[nahkoe]

WHO stated that May 1 2009 they had confirmed that ten were dead.

They later updated that to 16, now we jump to the whopping 397?

Where are all the body bags?

They can't get their story straight and we should get running to the hills?

Anyone want to buy some swamp land?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

That's 397 total confirmed cases of this strain of the flu. :) Resulting in only 16 confirmed deaths.

[Evang.Benincasa]

That's 397 total confirmed cases of this strain of the flu. :) Resulting in only 16 confirmed deaths.

Thank you very much for straightening that out. :thumbsup

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Critical Alert: The Swine Flu Pandemic – Fact or Fiction?


By Dr. Mercola

American health officials declared a public health emergency as cases of swine flu were confirmed in the U.S. Health officials across the world fear this could be the leading edge of a global pandemic emerging from Mexico, where seven people are confirmed dead as a result of the new virus.

On Monday April 27th, the World Health Organization (WHO) raised its pandemic alert level to four on its six-level threat scale,1 which means they've determined that the virus is capable of human-to-human transmission. The initial outbreaks across North America reveal an infection already traveling at higher velocity than did the last official pandemic strain, the 1968 Hong Kong flu.

The number of fatalities, and suspected and confirmed cases across the world change depending on the source, so your best bet -- if you want the latest numbers -- is to use Google Maps' Swine Flu Tracker.

Several nations have imposed travel bans, or made plans to quarantine air travelers2 that present symptoms of the swine flu, such as:

Fever of more than 100
Coughing
Runny nose and/or sore throat
Joint aches
Severe headache
Vomiting and/or diarrhea
Lethargy
Lack of appetite

Top global flu experts are trying to predict how dangerous the new swine flu strain will be, as it became clear that they had little information about Mexico's outbreak. It is as yet unclear how many cases occurred in the month or so before the outbreak was detected. It's also unknown whether the virus was mutating to be more lethal, or less.

Much Fear Mongering Being Promoted

I suspect you have likely been alarmed by the media's coverage of the swine flu scare. It has a noticeable subplot - preparing you for draconian measures to combat a future pandemic as well as forcing you to accept the idea of mandatory vaccinations.

On April 27, Time magazine published an article which discusses how dozens died and hundreds were injured from vaccines as a result of the 1976 swine flu fiasco, when the Ford administration attempted to use the infection of soldiers at Fort Dix as a pretext for a mass vaccination of the entire country.

Despite acknowledging that the 1976 farce was an example of “how not to handle a flu outbreak”, the article still introduces the notion that officials “may soon have to consider whether to institute draconian measures to combat the disease”.

WHO and CDC Pandemic Preparedness Seriously Broken


The pandemic warning system has failed as it simply doesn't exist, even in North America and Europe. To improve the system, massive new investments in surveillance, scientific and regulatory infrastructure, basic public health, and global access to common sense interventions like vitamin D optimization are required.

According to the Washington Post, the CDC did not learn about the outbreak until six days after Mexico had begun to impose emergency measures. There should be no excuses. The paradox of this swine flu panic is that, while totally unexpected, it was accurately predicted. Six years ago, Science dedicated a major story to evidence that "after years of stability, the North American swine flu virus has jumped onto an evolutionary fasttrack".

However, maybe this is precisely what public health authorities desire.

This is NOT the First Swine Flu Panic


My guess is that you can expect to see a lot of panic over this issue in the near future. But the key is to remain calm -- this isn't the first time the public has been warned about swine flu. The last time was in 1976, right before I entered medical school and I remember it very clearly. It resulted in the massive swine flu vaccine campaign.

Do you happen to recall the result of this massive campaign?

Within a few months, claims totaling $1.3 billion had been filed by victims who had suffered paralysis from the vaccine. The vaccine was also blamed for 25 deaths.

However, several hundred people developed crippling Guillain-Barré Syndrome after they were injected with the swine flu vaccine. Even healthy 20-year-olds ended up as paraplegics.

And the swine flu pandemic itself? It never materialized.

[Evang.Benincasa]

More People Died From the Swine Flu Vaccine than Swine Flu!

It is very difficult to forecast a pandemic, and a rash response can be extremely damaging.

As of Monday April 27, the worldwide total number of confirmed cases was 82, according to WHO, which included 40 cases in the U.S., confirmed by the Centers for Disease Control. But does that truly warrant the feverish news headlines?

To put things into perspective, malaria kills 3,000 people EVERY DAY, and it's considered "a health problem"... But of course, there are no fancy vaccines for malaria that can rake in billions of dollars in a short amount of time.

One Australian news source,3 for example, states that even a mild swine flu epidemic could lead to the deaths of 1.4 million people and would reduce economic growth by nearly $5 trillion dollars.

Give me a break, if this doesn't sound like the outlandish cries of the pandemic bird-flu I don't know what does. Do you remember when President Bush said two million Americans would die as a result of the bird flu?

In 2005, in 2006, 2007, and again in 2008, those fears were exposed as little more than a cruel hoax, designed to instill fear, and line the pocketbooks of various individuals and industry. I became so convinced by the evidence AGAINST the possibility of a bird flu pandemic that I wrote a New York Times bestselling book, The Bird Flu Hoax, all about the massive fraud involved with the epidemic that never happened..

What is the Swine Flu?

Regular swine flu is a contagious respiratory disease, caused by a type-A influenza virus that affects pigs. The current strain, A(H1N1), is a new variation of an H1N1 virus -- which causes seasonal flu outbreaks in humans -- that also contains genetic material of bird and pig versions of the flu.

Interestingly enough, this version has never before been seen in neither human nor animal, which I will discuss a bit later.

This does sound bad. But not so fast. There are a few reasons to not rush to conclusions that this is the deadly pandemic we've been told would occur in the near future (as if anyone could predict it without having some sort of inside knowledge).

Why a True Bird- or Swine Flu Pandemic is HIGHLY Unlikely
While in my opinion it is highly likely factory farming is responsible for producing this viral strain, I believe there is still no cause for concern.


You may not know this, but all H1N1 flu's are descendants of the 1918 pandemic strain. The reason why the flu shot may or may not work, however, from year to year, is due to mutations. Therefore, there's no vaccine available for this current hybrid flu strain, and naturally, this is feeding the fear that millions of people will die before a vaccine can be made.

However, let me remind you of one very important fact here.

Just a couple of months ago, scientists concluded that the 1918 flu pandemic that killed between 50-100 million people worldwide in a matter of 18 months -- which all these worst case scenarios are built upon -- was NOT due to the flu itself!4

Instead, they discovered the real culprit was strep infections.

People with influenza often get what is known as a "superinfection" with a bacterial agent. In 1918 it appears to have been Streptococcus pneumoniae.

Since strep is much easier to treat than the flu using modern medicine, a new pandemic would likely be much less dire than it was in the early 20th century, the researchers concluded.

Others, such as evolutionary biologist Paul Ewald,5 claim that a pandemic of this sort simply cannot happen, because in order for it to occur, the world has to change. Not the virus itself, but the world.

In a previous interview for Esquire magazine, in which he discusses the possibility of a bird flu pandemic, he states:

"They think that if a virus mutates, it's an evolutionary event. Well, the virus is mutating because that is what viruses and other pathogens do. But evolution is not just random mutation. It is random mutation coupled with natural selection; it is a battle for competitive advantage among different strains generated by random mutation.

For bird flu to evolve into a human pandemic, the strain that finds a home in humanity has to be a strain that is both highly virulent and highly transmissible. Deadliness has to translate somehow into popularity; H5N1 has to find a way to kill or immobilize its human hosts, and still find other hosts to infect. Usually that doesn't happen."

Ewald goes on to explain that evolution in general is all about trade-offs, and in the evolution of infections the trade-off is between virulence and transmissibility.

What this means is that in order for a "bird flu" or "swine flu" to turn into a human pandemic, it has to find an environment that favors both deadly virulence and ease of transmission.

People living in squalor on the Western Front at the end of World War I generated such an environment, from which the epidemic of 1918 could arise.

Likewise, crowded chicken farms, slaughterhouses, and jam-packed markets of eastern Asia provide another such environment, and that environment gave rise to the bird flu -- a pathogen that both kills and spreads, in birds, but not in humans.

[HeavenlyOne]

My neck hurts. I might have swine flu. Thankfully, tomorrow is Sunday. I think I'll go to church. Both services.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Says Ewald:

"We know that H5N1 is well adapted to birds. We also know that it has a hard time becoming a virus that can move from person to person. It has a hard time without our doing anything. But we can make it harder. We can make sure it has no human population in which to evolve transmissibility. There is no need to rely on the mass extermination of chickens. There is no need to stockpile vaccines for everyone.

By vaccinating just the people most at risk -- the people who work with chickens and the caregivers -- we can prevent it from becoming transmissible among humans. Then it doesn't matter what it does in chickens."

Please remember that, despite the fantastic headlines and projections of MILLIONS of deaths, the H5N1 bird flu virus killed a mere 257 people worldwide since late 2003. As unfortunate as those deaths are, 257 deaths worldwide from any disease, over the course of five years, simply does not constitute an emergency worthy of much attention, let alone fear!

Honestly, your risk of being killed by a lightning strike in the last five years was about 2,300 percent higher than your risk of contracting and dying from the bird flu. I'm not kidding! In just one year (2004), more than 1,170 people died from lighting strikes, worldwide.

So please, as the numbers of confirmed swine flu cases are released, keep a level head and don't let fear run away with your brains.

So is the Swine Flu Getting More or Less Dangerous?

On Sunday, April 26, The Independent reported that more than 1,000 people had contracted the swine flu virus in Mexico, but by the afternoon that same day, Mexican President Calderon declared that more than two-thirds of the 1,300 thought to have contracted the disease had been given a clean bill of health and sent home.

Additionally, the number of actual confirmed cases appears to be far lower than reported in many media outlets, leading me to believe that many reporters are interchanging the terms "suspected cases" and "confirmed cases."

Interestingly Mexico is the ONLY country in the world where someone has actually died from this disease.Mexico has reported 152 fatalities in flu-like cases in recent days, seven of which have been confirmed as swine flu. Another 19 patients have been confirmed as having swine flu but surviving. About 2,000 people have been hospitalized with symptoms.

By contrast, the United States has had 64 confirmed cases, five hospitalizations and no deaths from US Citizens. On April 29th CNN reported the first swine fatality in the US, however this was actually a child from Mexico that died in Texas.
According to the World Health Organization's Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response site; as of April 27, there are:

64 laboratory confirmed cases in U.S. -- 0 deaths (reported by CDC as of April 29)
26 confirmed cases in Mexico -- 7 deaths
6 confirmed cases in Canada -- 0 deaths
1 confirmed case in Spain -- 0 deaths
Additionally, nearly all suspected new cases have been reported as mild.

Personally, I am highly skeptical. It simply doesn't add up to a real pandemic.

But it does raise serious questions about where this brand new, never before seen virus came from, especially since it cannot be contracted from eating pork products, and has never before been seen in pigs, and contains traits from the bird flu -- and which, so far, only seems to respond to Tamiflu. Are we just that lucky, or... what?

Your Fear Will Make Some People VERY Rich in Today's Crumbling Economy

According to the Associated Press at least one financial analyst estimates up to $388 million worth of Tamiflu sales in the near future10 -- and that's without a pandemic outbreak.

More than half a dozen pharmaceutical companies, including Gilead Sciences Inc., Roche, GlaxoSmithKline and other companies with a stake in flu treatments and detection, have seen a rise in their shares in a matter of days, and will likely see revenue boosts if the swine flu outbreak continues to spread.

As soon as Homeland Security declared a health emergency, 25 percent -- about 12 million doses -- of Tamiflu and Relenza treatment courses were released from the nation's stockpile. However, beware that the declaration also allows unapproved tests and drugs to be administered to children. Many health- and government officials are more than willing to take that chance with your life, and the life of your child. But are you?

[Evang.Benincasa]

My neck hurts. I might have swine flu. Thankfully, tomorrow is Sunday. I think I'll go to church. Both services.

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I'll be in prayer for you Sister ;)

[Ron]

I greatly fear I have come down with the swine flu....every time I see a buffet line I want to pig out!:hypercoffee

[Praxeas]

take 2 pearls and call me in the morning

[HeavenlyOne]

:heeheehee

I'll be in prayer for you Sister ;)

I'd rather you come pray for me. Don't wear a mask, as God will protect you when I cough and sneeze on you.

Yeah, it started with a neck ache. It's progressing quickly.

[HeavenlyOne]

take 2 pearls and call me in the morning

ROFL!!!! Oh, that hurts my throat...

[Evang.Benincasa]

I'd rather you come pray for me. Don't wear a mask, as God will protect you when I cough and sneeze on you.

Yeah, it started with a neck ache. It's progressing quickly.

If you saw what homeless people do to me when I pray for them you would know I would worry if you sneezed on me.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

I greatly fear I have come down with the swine flu....every time I see a buffet line I want to pig out!:hypercoffee

:ursofunny

[Ron]

If you saw what homeless people do to me when I pray for them you would know I would worry if you sneezed on me.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

That is the truth!
Everyone needs to try a stint at a mission on skid row.
When they cough, they have a tendency not to cover thier mouth!:thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

That is the truth!
Everyone needs to try a stint at a mission on skid row.
When they cough, they have a tendency not to cover thier mouth!:thumbsup

Down here we have men, women and children homeless. Next time anyone has the flu (your common non-media hype flu) think about the women and children who are sick and living on the streets. It is especially bad for mothers with children, because they are afraid of shelters. They are afraid of shelters trying to take their children, also the dangers in shelters. While we are running willie nillie over the 3rd horseman of the apocalypse coming to get us, we need to be thankful that God has blessed us beyond our wildest dreams. How when we get sick we have a nice place where we can recover.
How we can be taken care of by church family and our own family. Where chicken soup is only three feet away from us, and how we have clean bathrooms were we can get washed and bathed.

Next time anyone is in a major city, go down to the main bus terminal, the bathrooms are from the pits of hell, and smell worse. Imagine having a full blown flu and having to use a place like that.

Lord Jesus give us what we need to help these people.

In JESUS NAME

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Ron]

Down here we have men, women and children homeless. Next time anyone has the flu (your common non-media hype flu) think about the women and children who are sick and living on the streets. It is especially bad for mothers with children, because they are afraid of shelters. They are afraid of shelters trying to take their children, also the dangers in shelters. While we are running willie nillie over the 3rd horseman of the apocalypse coming to get us, we need to be thankful that God has blessed us beyond our wildest dreams. How when we get sick we have a nice place where we can recover.
How we can be taken care of by church family and our own family. Where chicken soup is only three feet away from us, and how we have clean bathrooms were we can get washed and bathed.

Next time anyone is in a major city, go down to the main bus terminal, the bathrooms are from the pits of hell, and smell worse. Imagine having a full blown flu and having to use a place like that.

Lord Jesus give us what we need to help these people.

In JESUS NAME

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Amen!
We are a blessed people!:thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

Amen!
We are a blessed people!:thumbsup

Yes sir, and we need to keep in prayer all those who are struggling to make ends meet. Banks are the only ones who are making out at this time. While the stupidity mounts on the dreaded Pig Flu, people are losing jobs, houses, transportation, families, and patience.

Obama came in doing what every lying politician does, tell us that "he" is going to change things. Well, he is not.

Let's keep in heavy prayer and fasting for the year ahead, and further revival in our churches, and that we might be able to save some.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Ron]

Yes sir, and we need to keep in prayer all those who are struggling to make ends meet. Banks are the only ones who are making out at this time. While the stupidity mounts on the dreaded Pig Flu, people are losing jobs, houses, transportation, families, and patience.

Obama came in doing what every lying politician does, tell us that "he" is going to change things. Well, he is not.

Let's keep in heavy prayer and fasting for the year ahead, and further revival in our churches, and that we might be able to save some.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Yes sir! I amen you big time on that!
We must work while we can, circumstances may come one day where the freedom we enjoy may be gone!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yes sir! I amen you big time on that!
We must work while we can, circumstances may come one day where the freedom we enjoy may be gone!

Yeah, they will use the media to convince us to just give it away.

Subtle manipulation through the media with fear tactics so we will gladly give it over to them. What you don't know, can't hurt them.

Let's all make a great difference before the end of the year. Let's make sure everyone in our city knows us and what we stand for, and that we would love to be available for them. Let the people of your city know that you want to be their friend, not just wanting them to come to Church, but you would like to be their friend first.
Friends love to do things for their friends. If you make them your friends first, they will be more apt to come and be a part of what you are involved in.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Ron]

Yeah, they will use the media to convince us to just give it away.

Subtle manipulation through the media with fear tactics so we will gladly give it over to them. What you don't know, can't hurt them.

Let's all make a great difference before the end of the year. Let's make sure everyone in our city knows us and what we stand for, and that we would love to be available for them. Let the people of your city know that you want to be their friend, not just wanting them to come to Church, but you would like to be their friend first.
Friends love to do things for their friends. If you make them your friends first, they will be more apt to come and be a part of what you are involved in.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

You hit the nail on the head! They won't take away our freedoms, we will hand it to them!
Would to God that everyone in the Church of the living God would feel yjay urgency!
We not only need to be doing outreach & being a friend is a start, but as 2009 draws to a close (and it will come quicker than we think) we need to have fruit to show for our labour!:thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

You hit the nail on the head! They won't take away our freedoms, we will hand it to them!
Would to God that everyone in the Church of the living God would feel yjay urgency!
We not only need to be doing outreach & being a friend is a start, but as 2009 draws to a close (and it will come quicker than we think) we need to have fruit to show for our labour!:thumbsup

We are entertaining ourselves to death, we are in a constant push to find distractions. The Wart Hog Virus, and the Pygmy Flu are piped through our media and pumped into our ever waiting vessels. We are like naive children believing whatever is told us, and without question. If we doubt what the newspapers, television, or radio tells us, well, then we are just conspiracy weirdos, or looking under every rock or bush for a wire tap from the CIA.

Bertrand Russell advocated a slave class, but not slaves who were unhappy, but slaves who were happy to be slaves. they wouldn't be manacled with fetters, or beaten with whips. These slaves would most willingly serve their masters, and do it happily.

To control any people one must make them want to be controlled, by convincing them it is in their best interest to be controlled. Wether it is from an enemy without, or an enemy within. Fear is the best persuader, and we teach fear early, "don't cross the street without looking both ways," "don't talk to strangers," "don't drink from someone else’s glass."

We are conditioned wether rightly for our own benefit, or wrongly to control or behavior to be used for some future time. A nation of Manchurian Candidates, waiting for the right time for a certain situation to happen, where a knee jerk response will come automatically. Buzz words used by manufactures already hold our attention, and that is because the corporations have learned to work through our base desires to make us respond to them. We become willing slaves, to agree when they want us to agree, or disagree when they need us to disagree. Obedient plebeians to carry out the will of the empire.

Like crabs in a bucket, we police ourselves. No need for the secret service to be spying on us to make sure we toe the line. No, we will be like the crabs in a bucket, which, when one crab tries to climb out, the rest of the lives crabs pull the one back in. The man who netted the crabs never has to police the crabs or knock them back in himself. The crabs unwittingly drag their comrades back into the bucket themselves. They would all like to get free, but they try to climb out by pulling the others back down.

Swine Flu boogie men hiding underneath the bed? We call mommy and daddy to come and tell us everything is all right. Yet, the media mommy is not telling us, not to worry, but just the opposite. This mother tells us that the situation is just bad enough to reach out and get us. Yet, if we are good and listen to mommy's instructions, we may just make it.

We weren't given a Spirit of fear, but of peace and a sound mind.

too bad we won't use that important piece of information.

If God be for us, who can be against us.

We are the ones who will be able to help this country, let's go forward and help the people find the ONLY light. The light that is JESUS CHRIST.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.
~Bertrand Russell

[Ron]

We are entertaining ourselves to death, we are in a constant push to find distractions. The Wart Hog Virus, and the Pygmy Flu are piped through our media and pumped into our ever waiting vessels. We are like naive children believing whatever is told us, and without question. If we doubt what the newspapers, television, or radio tells us, well, then we are just conspiracy weirdos, or looking under every rock or bush for a wire tap from the CIA.

Bertrand Russell advocated a slave class, but not slaves who were unhappy, but slaves who were happy to be slaves. they wouldn't be manacled with fetters, or beaten with whips. These slaves would most willingly serve their masters, and do it happily.

To control any people one must make them want to be controlled, by convincing them it is in their best interest to be controlled. Wether it is from an enemy without, or an enemy within. Fear is the best persuader, and we teach fear early, "don't cross the street without looking both ways," "don't talk to strangers," "don't drink from someone else’s glass."

We are conditioned wether rightly for our own benefit, or wrongly to control or behavior to be used for some future time. A nation of Manchurian Candidates, waiting for the right time for a certain situation to happen, where a knee jerk response will come automatically. Buzz words used by manufactures already hold our attention, and that is because the corporations have learned to work through our base desires to make us respond to them. We become willing slaves, to agree when they want us to agree, or disagree when they need us to disagree. Obedient plebeians to carry out the will of the empire.

Like crabs in a bucket, we police ourselves. No need for the secret service to be spying on us to make sure we toe the line. No, we will be like the crabs in a bucket, which, when one crab tries to climb out, the rest of the lives crabs pull the one back in. The man who netted the crabs never has to police the crabs or knock them back in himself. The crabs unwittingly drag their comrades back into the bucket themselves. They would all like to get free, but they try to climb out by pulling the others back down.

Swine Flu boogie men hiding underneath the bed? We call mommy and daddy to come and tell us everything is all right. Yet, the media mommy is not telling us, not to worry, but just the opposite. This mother tells us that the situation is just bad enough to reach out and get us. Yet, if we are good and listen to mommy's instructions, we may just make it.

We weren't given a Spirit of fear, but of peace and a sound mind.

too bad we won't use that important piece of information.

If God be for us, who can be against us.

We are the ones who will be able to help this country, let's go forward and help the people find the ONLY light. The light that is JESUS CHRIST.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Amen!:thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

Amen!:thumbsup

Thank you Elder.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[nahkoe]

Hee! So now I have sick kids. Typical flu symptoms.

Called the lady who was supposed to watch them today.
"So, how freaked out are you about this swine flu thing?"
Her: "Pretty freaked out! Why?"
"Well......"

[Digging4Truth]

Hee! So now I have sick kids. Typical flu symptoms.

Called the lady who was supposed to watch them today.
"So, how freaked out are you about this swine flu thing?"
Her: "Pretty freaked out! Why?"
"Well......"

LOL... Well... Looks like YOU are the one watching the kids this time huh?

My prayer is that they will start feeling better soon... Put some chicken soup on. :)

[nahkoe]

LOL... Well... Looks like YOU are the one watching the kids this time huh?

My prayer is that they will start feeling better soon... Put some chicken soup on. :)

Yep! I'm getting at least a 3 day weekend out of this. lol Probably more by the time it works itself through all 4 kids.

Can't really afford it, but this is also the last week of my semester. I'm not really complaining about the extra study/writing time.

Chicken soup sounds good. I think I will go start a big pot of that.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Hee! So now I have sick kids. Typical flu symptoms.

Called the lady who was supposed to watch them today.
"So, how freaked out are you about this swine flu thing?"
Her: "Pretty freaked out! Why?"
"Well......"

During 1976 (the first SWINE FLU Scare) the powers that be used its tools of mass destruction (stupidvision, newspapers, and magazines) to indoctrinate the huddled masses to march off to get "swine flu shots" and get sicker than dogs, and in some cases die. During our first pig flu pandemic we had six die all had received the golden needle of the vaccine. The cure is worse than the curse. It is amazing how conditioned the public is and how it can be manipulated to march off the end of the proverbial cliff to its own destruction.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Hey, if it is on television it MUST be true.


Sad, truly sad.

In JESUS NAME

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com