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gloryseeker
05-01-2009, 06:49 PM
Why is it that so many Christians blame God when someone dies (especially in tragic or untimely deaths) and says things like...


He needed them in heaven

The Lord called them home


Then on top of that where did the theology of people becoming angels in heaven come from????
Praxeas
05-01-2009, 06:56 PM
huh? what church do YOU go to???? :spit
KWSS1976
05-01-2009, 07:19 PM
Well if ya think about it the lord will take you when he wants to cause he is the one in control so if it is your time it's just your time and he will take you...
gloryseeker
05-01-2009, 07:27 PM
Well if ya think about it the lord will take you when he wants to cause he is the one in control so if it is your time it's just your time and he will take you...

Interesting point, but could you explain where you are coming from a little more?

while I realize that we all have a time to go the Bible tells us that "with long life" God will satisfy us, so if you take a position that God removes you early then the scripture is contradicting itself.
KWSS1976
05-01-2009, 07:39 PM
Hey you will not get no argument out of me about scripture contradicting itself I have said that many times on here you have to remember that the bible was wrote by man ..LOL

Do you know the scripture were it says that I would like to read it.
Evang.Benincasa
05-01-2009, 07:49 PM
Why is it that so many Christians blame God when someone dies (especially in tragic or untimely deaths) and says things like...


He needed them in heaven

The Lord called them home


Then on top of that where did the theology of people becoming angels in heaven come from????



Mormons?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/Undyingsoul1/mormon1950eternalprogression.jpg

Hey doesn't the above look like another very popular flip chart?

Maybe they're interchangeable?

:heeheehee
Sept5SavedTeen
05-01-2009, 08:08 PM
We just had a nieghbor pass away suddenly, thru very sad circumstances. She was just forty and had young children and a husband, ect... On the day of her funeral, there was light rain, and then a rainbow over the family's house. Sure enough, the neighbors (including my parents) took pictures and this was some sort of "sign." Needless to say, I was bothered by the sacrilage.

-Bro. Alex
Jermyn Davidson
05-02-2009, 09:34 AM
We just had a nieghbor pass away suddenly, thru very sad circumstances. She was just forty and had young children and a husband, ect... On the day of her funeral, there was light rain, and then a rainbow over the family's house. Sure enough, the neighbors (including my parents) took pictures and this was some sort of "sign." Needless to say, I was bothered by the sacrilage.

-Bro. Alex

Will you please tell why you were bothered by this?
Jermyn Davidson
05-02-2009, 09:36 AM
Interesting point, but could you explain where you are coming from a little more?

while I realize that we all have a time to go the Bible tells us that "with long life" God will satisfy us, so if you take a position that God removes you early then the scripture is contradicting itself.

The Bible also asks the question, "Why die before your time?"

You can check yourself out earlier than what may have been the will of God fir your life. Often, our own actions play a part in our lives and in our deaths.
Hoovie
05-02-2009, 09:53 AM
I believe we should preserve life, nevertheless, ultimately life AND death are in the hands of God.
Jermyn Davidson
05-02-2009, 10:03 AM
Will you please tell why you were bothered by this?


bump
Sept5SavedTeen
05-02-2009, 10:34 AM
Will you please tell why you were bothered by this?

The rainbow was a sign of the covenant with Noah- it is NOT a sign for the passed away neighbor, grandmother or household pet. The rainbow next door was due to rain and the atmosphere, not some "gateway to heaven."

-Bro. Alex
Hoovie
05-02-2009, 10:42 AM
S5ST, When you lose someone close to you you will be desparate for comfort - anything, that may bring sense to your loss. This is NORMAL.
Jermyn Davidson
05-02-2009, 10:49 AM
The rainbow was a sign of the covenant with Noah- it is NOT a sign for the passed away neighbor, grandmother or household pet. The rainbow next door was due to rain and the atmosphere, not some "gateway to heaven."

-Bro. Alex

It may not have been a gateway to Heaven, but I am sure it was a beautiful site for their weeping eyes.

God allowed the rainbow to appear at that exact location at that exact moment.

Could it be that God allowed this because he knew it would comfort the hearts of the grieving that afternoon?


Maybe it even could have been a good backdrop for you to minister to the grieving that afternoon or maybe even sometime in the future.
Sept5SavedTeen
05-02-2009, 11:06 AM
It may not have been a gateway to Heaven, but I am sure it was a beautiful site for their weeping eyes.

God allowed the rainbow to appear at that exact location at that exact moment.

Could it be that God allowed this because he knew it would comfort the hearts of the grieving that afternoon?


Maybe it even could have been a good backdrop for you to minister to the grieving that afternoon or maybe even sometime in the future.

No, these people have had the Truth preached to them many times, and they have rejected it every time. Perhaps GOD sent them a "strong delusion."

-Bro. Alex
Jermyn Davidson
05-02-2009, 11:08 AM
No, these people have had the Truth preached to them many times, and they have rejected it every time. Perhaps GOD sent them a "strong delusion."

-Bro. Alex


Oh.

May Lord have mercy on the ones still living.
Praxeas
05-02-2009, 12:14 PM
Will you please tell why you were bothered by this?
It would not bother me. However why should anyone consider that a sign other than the original one God intended...that He will never flood the earth again?
gloryseeker
05-02-2009, 01:11 PM
Hey you will not get no argument out of me about scripture contradicting itself I have said that many times on here you have to remember that the bible was wrote by man ..LOL

Do you know the scripture were it says that I would like to read it.

Correction: The scripture was penned by man, but written by the Holy Spirit
gloryseeker
05-02-2009, 01:12 PM
Mormons?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/Undyingsoul1/mormon1950eternalprogression.jpg

Hey doesn't the above look like another very popular flip chart?

Maybe they're interchangeable?

:heeheehee

Interesting point, but do you really believe that the Mormon doctrine has influenced Christianity?
gloryseeker
05-02-2009, 01:14 PM
The rainbow was a sign of the covenant with Noah- it is NOT a sign for the passed away neighbor, grandmother or household pet. The rainbow next door was due to rain and the atmosphere, not some "gateway to heaven."

-Bro. Alex

Amen! While in the whole scheme of life it may have brought comfort to them, but you are right. It is not biblically correct and there is danger in adopting unbiblical things into our lives.
gloryseeker
05-02-2009, 01:15 PM
I believe we should preserve life, nevertheless, ultimately life AND death are in the hands of God.

What is your believe based on?
gloryseeker
05-02-2009, 01:19 PM
S5ST, When you lose someone close to you you will be desparate for comfort - anything, that may bring sense to your loss. This is NORMAL.

I can agree with that and in most cases I think you are right as to why these types of statements are made.

However, don't you think that there is a danger in this? Example....a person is in a car wreck and dies. We say "God needed them in heaven and called them home" when in fact they were putting their make up on, shaving, or reading the newspaper while driving the car. So with this deceptive thinking with don't deal with my destruction is coming in people's lives, but end up just comforting ourselves.

For me, I would talk to my children and say, "Uncle George died in that crash because he was shaving and wasn't paying attention to what he did. If he would have only gotten up 5 minutes earlier he would still be with us. Your decision are important....blah, blah, blah.
Hoovie
05-02-2009, 04:39 PM
What is your believe based on?

Simply put, I believe God is in control of my life - including the moment of death. Not that he absolutely predestines and causes death, but he allows or does not allow. I find comfort in knowing he controls not only my destiny, but my journey.
Hoovie
05-02-2009, 04:43 PM
I can agree with that and in most cases I think you are right as to why these types of statements are made.

However, don't you think that there is a danger in this? Example....a person is in a car wreck and dies. We say "God needed them in heaven and called them home" when in fact they were putting their make up on, shaving, or reading the newspaper while driving the car. So with this deceptive thinking with don't deal with my destruction is coming in people's lives, but end up just comforting ourselves.

For me, I would talk to my children and say, "Uncle George died in that crash because he was shaving and wasn't paying attention to what he did. If he would have only gotten up 5 minutes earlier he would still be with us. Your decision are important....blah, blah, blah.


Well yes and no. Some deaths are explainable and no doubt preventable, but then, some make little sense at all and seem like they are divinely orchestrated. I think it's better not to try and figure it all out - especially not at the time of bereavement. I am willing to leave it as God calling them home.

"it is appointed unto men once to die..." We all have an appointment with death, maybe we can tweak it and maybe not - but escape we will not (lest the end of time come first).
gloryseeker
05-02-2009, 05:19 PM
Simply put, I believe God is in control of my life - including the moment of death. Not that he absolutely predestines and causes death, but he allows or does not allow. I find comfort in knowing he controls not only my destiny, but my journey.

Okay...I can't argue with that. But my question was not "what is your belief" but what is your "believe based on."

Is it just your arbitrary view of life and what you concluded or are you basing it on scripture, a vision you had, something Grandpa George told you? What is the basis that brought you to this conclusion?
Hoovie
05-02-2009, 06:45 PM
Okay...I can't argue with that. But my question was not "what is your belief" but what is your "believe based on."

Is it just your arbitrary view of life and what you concluded or are you basing it on scripture, a vision you had, something Grandpa George told you? What is the basis that brought you to this conclusion?

Well Glory, if I thought it was clearly addressed in scripture i would be posting those scriptures... I guess it mostly comes from real life experiences and finding the better ways to comfort those who mourn.

To be clear, I think scripture does teach our obligation to protect human life, so that rules out intentional stupidity and careless endangerment of lives - including our own. At the same time I think we have all been there... some of us got lucky, or perhaps it was not our time to go? I dunno.