A Few of the Great Hell Sermons from History

[crakjak]

Modern day hellfire preachers are softies, listen to some from the past, what a great doctrine of the church!:nah:nah:nah:nah:nah:nah

JONATHAN EDWARDS
The sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever. . .Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell. . . I tell you, yea! Such will be his sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish his bliss.
["The Eternity of Hell Torments" (Sermon), April 1739 & Discourses on Various Important Subjects, 1738]

Jeremy Taylor of the Church of England"The bodies of the damned shall be crowded together in hell, like grapes in a wine-press, which press one another till they burst; every distinct sense and organ shall be assailed with its own appropriate and most exquisite sufferings."“Husbands shall see their wives, parents shall see their children tormented before their eyes…the bodies of the damned shall be crowded together in hell like grapes in a wine-press, which press on another till they burst…”“This temporal fire is but a painted fire in respect of that penetrating and real fire in hell.”

Nieremberg 1658
“We are amazed at the inhumanity of Phalaris, who roasted men in his brazen bull; this was joy in respect of the fire of hell, which penetrates the very entrails without consuming them.” Pains of Hell

Francis De Sales 1622
“Represent to yourself a dark city all burning and stinking with fire and brimstone. The damned are in the depth of hell within this woful city, where they suffer unspeakable torments in all their senses and members. Consider above all the eternity of their pains, which above all things makes hell intolerable.” Garden of the Soul.

Barrow
“Our bodies will be afflicted continually by the sulphureous flame, piercing the inmost sinews.”

John Bunyan 1688
“Their bodies will be raised from the dead as vessels for the soul—vessels of wrath. The soul will breathe hell-fire, and smoke and coal will seem to hang upon its burning lips, yea the face, eyes, and ears will seem to be chimneys and vents for the flame, and the smoke of the burning , which God, by His breath, hath kindled therein, and upon, them, which will be held one in another, to the great torment and distress of each other.” Works, ii 136.

Baxter 1691
“Is it an intolerable thing to burn part of thy body by holding it in the fire? What then will it be to suffer ten thousand times more for ever in hell?” Saints Rest

South 1716 “Every lash which God then gives the sinner shall be with a scorpion, every pain which He inflicts shall be more eager than appetite, more cruel than revenge; every faculty both of soul and body shall have its distinct property, and peculiar torment applied to it, and be directly struck there where it has the quickest, the sharpest, and the tenderest sense of any painful impression…But I shall use no other argument to evince the greatness of their torment but only this, that the devil shall be the instrument of their execution. And surely a mortal enemy will be a dreadful executioner; and the punishment which an infinite justice inflicts by the hands of a implacable malice must needs be intolerable.” Sermons, vii. 143

Thomas Boston, Scottish preacher, 1732
“God will hold sinners with one hand over the pit of hell, while He torments them with the other.” Fourfold State."God shall not pity them but laugh at their calamity. The righteous company in heaven shall rejoice in the execution of God's judgment, and shall sing while the smoke riseth up for ever."

[Raven]

Very gruesome my friend. I get the feeling sometimes that some are glad that people are going to Hell and will be upset at God if they don't. I pray that the Spirit of Truth will run a check on all of our hearts and reveal what "spirit" we are guided by.

Raven

[Scott Hutchinson]

There is a punishment of the wicked taught in the bible,I don't see the unredeemed finding salvation after death,in my own heart I question my own burden for the unregenerate.
We need to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified to this untoward generation more than ever before.

[Timmy]

The Simpsons, Treehouse of Horror IV, 1993
Homer is sent to hell -- the "Ironic Punishments Division". He is forced to eat all the donuts in the world! (The demon in charge is chagrined, however, when Homer isn't bothered in the least.)

[crakjak]

Very gruesome my friend. I get the feeling sometimes that some are glad that people are going to Hell and will be upset at God if they don't. I pray that the Spirit of Truth will run a check on all of our hearts and reveal what "spirit" we are guided by.

Raven

Hello, my friend,

You are exactly right, Jesus rebuked the apostles for wanting to call down fire on some that did not line up, and His words were, "...you do not know what spirit you are of..."

Just reading those words grieves the every heart that is shaped like Jesus'!

Great to hear from you, blessings:heart to you and all your family.

[crakjak]

There is a punishment of the wicked taught in the bible,I don't see the unredeemed finding salvation after death,in my own heart I question my own burden for the unregenerate.
We need to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified to this untoward generation more than ever before.

Scott,

Why can you not see what the early church saw in the vast majority for the first to six century? It was only at the point of the Rome sword and the twisting of the scriptures by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate that the ED doctrine was forced down the throat of believers.:heart

May all our eyes see the heart of Jesus to redeem all His creation.

[crakjak]

Luke 9:54-56 (New King James Version)

54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”

55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.

Jeremiah 32:34-36 (New King James Version)

34 But they set their abominations in the house which is called by My name, to defile it. 35 And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’


Will God do what He calls an abomination? I say absolutely not!

[Timmy]

Luke 9:54-56 (New King James Version)

54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”

55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.

Jeremiah 32:34-36 (New King James Version)

34 But they set their abominations in the house which is called by My name, to defile it. 35 And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’


Will God do what He calls an abomination? I say absolutely not!

And yet:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Timmy]

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[crakjak]

And yet:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

That is exactly what happened in the judgment of Jerusalem in 70 AD. NO eternal damnation here, in Matt 13:41.

Concerning Matthew 7:22:

That what He will say to the religious hypocrites, in that day, they will endure Ghenna purging to remove the iniquity in them.

[crakjak]

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

As the elect are enjoying a period of (aionion) life with the Lord, the wicked will be enduring an (aionion) period of correction. After which Jesus will surrender His sonship "that God may be all in all" to the Father, all humanity will surrender likewise to the Father, as they bow and confess Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of God the Father.
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[Timmy]

As the elect are enjoying a period of (aionion) life with the Lord, the wicked will be enduring an (aionion) period of correction. After which Jesus will surrender His sonship "that God may be all in all" to the Father, all humanity will surrender likewise to the Father, as they bow and confess Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of God the Father.
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So everlasting punishment won't last forever? Sweeeeet!

[crakjak]

So everlasting punishment won't last forever? Sweeeeet!

There is great evidence in the original language that everlasting is an age, a long period of time or and undetermined length of time. It is definitely not endless.

Doesn't mean it will be pleasant, is correction ever pleasant?:gotcha

[Timmy]

There is great evidence in the original language that everlasting is an age, a long period of time or and undetermined length of time. It is definitely not endless.

Doesn't mean it will be pleasant, is correction ever pleasant?:gotcha

Does aionion mean "an age" in all of the places it's used?

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

And does it mean "undetermined length of time" and definitely not endless in all the places it talks about eternal life for believers?

[crakjak]

Does aionion mean "an age" in all of the places it's used?

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

And does it mean "undetermined length of time" and definitely not endless in all the places it talks about eternal life for believers?

The subject (God) in these verses effect the tenure. Further God can be the God of the age and also be the God of the ages of the ages. This age, the next age and the age after that, and on and on.

Punishment/correction by its definition has purpose and will always end when its purpose is accomplished.

[Timmy]

The subject (God) in these verses effect the tenure. Further God can be the God of the age and also be the God of the ages of the ages. This age, the next age and the age after that, and on and on.

Punishment/correction by its definition has purpose and will always end when its purpose is accomplished.

OK, what about aionion life? Does context somehow tell us it means forever? Does it mean forever where it makes more sense to mean forever, and age when it makes more sense to mean age?

How in the world would the NT writers say forever and mean forever, unambiguously, if they wanted to? Suppose everlasting punishment really did mean everlasting punishment. How would we know?

[Timmy]

BTW, CJ, are you invisible for some reason? I can never seem to "catch" you online. ;)

[Aquila]

There is a punishment of the wicked taught in the bible,I don't see the unredeemed finding salvation after death,in my own heart I question my own burden for the unregenerate.
We need to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified to this untoward generation more than ever before.

I don't want to be too technical... but...

Salvation is designed to prevent one from experiencing the corrective torments of Hell (regardless as to how one views them). If a soul experiences Hell for any length of time, be it a year or for all eternity they didn't expeirence salvation. IF (big if here),- if a soul were to find reconciliation after a period in Hell, they will have found reconcilation, not salvation.

[Aquila]

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Study the meaning of the word punishment, "kolasis". Another interpretation is "correction" in the sense of pruning a small tree to make it grow better and stronger. Therefore Christ could be saying that the unrighteous will go away into a process that forever corrects them, while the righteous pass immediately into life eternal.

Just a thought.

[Scott Hutchinson]

But how can one be reconciled to Christ,and not have salvation ?
Another thing how can the blood of Christ,be applied to someone after they die ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Why did God let people children included be drowned in the flood ?

[Aquila]

But how can one be reconciled to Christ,and not have salvation ?

We can't play fast and footloose with the word "salvation". Salvation means nothing if defined. If being with Christ is "salvation" then angels experience "salvation". I believe that "salvation" is "salvation" in relation to the punishment of Hell (eternal or not). Therefore if one is condemned to Hell only to be reconciled a thousand years later... they never experienced "salvation" from Hell's fire. They felt it. However, if you and I go immediately into the presence of the Lord, we experienced salvation from Hells flame.

Another thing how can the blood of Christ,be applied to someone after they die ?

God is the same yesterday today and forever. Not even death can separate us from the Love of God in Christ Jesus. If a soul can cry out for forgiveness from the deepest reaches of Hell... is God so impersonal, unconcerned, incapable, or robotic as to not be able to reconcile them according to his divine will and power?

[Aquila]

Why did God let people children included be drowned in the flood ?

I caution against confusing temporal judgments with eternal judments. God was cleansing the planet and protecting the bloodline of Messiah (Noah was righteous - or pure- in his generations).

[Scott Hutchinson]

Noah was righteous but what about his descendants after the flood ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

What does should not perish mean ? If one is eventually going to join the redeemed, how could they perish ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Maybe somebody can tell us what the wages of sin is death means ?
In kindness how does one who follows the ur doctrine,understand the wages of sin is death ?

[Timmy]

What does should not perish mean ? If one is eventually going to join the redeemed, how could they perish ?

Maybe somebody can tell us what the wages of sin is death means ?
In kindness how does one who follows the ur doctrine,understand the wages of sin is death ?

Good questions, since these things are explicitly contrasted with everlasting or eternal life. Seems to be either or.

[Praxeas]

Very gruesome my friend. I get the feeling sometimes that some are glad that people are going to Hell and will be upset at God if they don't. I pray that the Spirit of Truth will run a check on all of our hearts and reveal what "spirit" we are guided by.

Raven
How will the URs feel....if they indeed make it to heaven, only to find out that all the nasty stuff they said about God....the God of the bible that DOES in fact allow the unbelievers to perish in hell? Will they demand God send them away rather than spend an Eternity with such a monster (their words)?

Again I have to remind us, what matters is what GOD'S word SAYS on the matter. Not emotive posturing. Not philosophical musings. When a person defines their God by such devices they are infact creating a false god made in their own image.

[Aquila]

How will the URs feel....if they indeed make it to heaven, only to find out that all the nasty stuff they said about God....the God of the bible that DOES in fact allow the unbelievers to perish in hell? Will they demand God send them away rather than spend an Eternity with such a monster (their words)?

Again I have to remind us, what matters is what GOD'S word SAYS on the matter. Not emotive posturing. Not philosophical musings. When a person defines their God by such devices they are infact creating a false god made in their own image.

God's Word in the ancient Hebrew, Aramiac, and Greek... or God's Word in Latin?

Good points. I don't see any issue with God appearing brutal. Even to burn someone in Hell for a thousand years for sins committed over a span of only 50 years is brutal. For me the issue is... who wins. Satan's goal is to alientate creation from God. If Satan alienates 90% of creation from God... technically he succeeded in his goal. Christ died to save all of humanity. If only 10% of humanity is "saved", Jesus fell tragically short of his goal. And the winner is... Satan.

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

The Bible states that God will reconcile all things to himself. Will he? Yes or no?

I'm not totally convinced of UR teaching. However, I see how it provides the ultimate victory against sin and Satan. It also demonstrates a love for all humanity that trancends judgmentalism and strife.

[Aquila]

What does should not perish mean ? If one is eventually going to join the redeemed, how could they perish ?

Perish has the connotation of shipwreck. One's life and purpose for existance can be shipwrecked forever by rejecting God. Those who do not accept Christ will never be all that God intended them to be... even if ultimatley reconciled to him. They've made shipwreck of their lives and destinies.

[Aquila]

Maybe somebody can tell us what the wages of sin is death means ?
In kindness how does one who follows the ur doctrine,understand the wages of sin is death ?

The wages of sin is death. Death is the absence of life. When one physically dies they have suffered that price. However, there is a spiritual side to death. Separation from God (regardless as to how long) is a form of death. Those who perish in sin will be separated from God, suffering spiritual death. However, this may not be eternal in the sense of lasting forever. You see Jesus paid that price for each and every one of us... was his (the humanity's) separation from the Father everlasting? Christ only spent three days in the grave. If that paid the price in full... how can spiritual death be without end?

[Praxeas]

God's Word in the ancient Hebrew, Aramiac, and Greek... or God's Word in Latin?

Good points. I don't see any issue with God appearing brutal. Even to burn someone in Hell for a thousand years for sins committed over a span of only 50 years is brutal. For me the issue is... who wins. Satan's goal is to alientate creation from God. If Satan alienates 90% of creation from God... technically he succeeded in his goal. Christ died to save all of humanity. If only 10% of humanity is "saved", Jesus fell tragically short of his goal. And the winner is... Satan.
Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Bible states that God will reconcile all things to himself. Will he? Yes or no?

I'm not totally convinced of UR teaching. However, I see how it provides the ultimate victory against sin and Satan. It also demonstrates a love for all humanity that trancends judgmentalism and strife.
the bold part I say "exactly" to. How come they don't see the other judgements of God, where people were killed, as brutal? Doesn't add up on their part.

What, there, does reconcile and all THINGS...note not all people, but all things....mean? What does that mean?

A lot of times when I see verses like that quoted, they are quoted apart from the context. Often the context shows the author speaking of those that believed, as opposed to those that don't.

the word Reconcile means "to bring back a former state of harmony"

notice the comparison in two verses.

Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Col 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
Col 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,
Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
You got ALL THINGS and you have "AND YOU"...and in that case Paul gives a conditional "if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast...."

I think the ALL THINGS refers to everything else...the system of things, God's government, the creation. It will be put back in harmony.

[crakjak]

BTW, CJ, are you invisible for some reason? I can never seem to "catch" you online. ;)

You can always PM me, if you like.

[crakjak]

the bold part I say "exactly" to. How come they don't see the other judgements of God, where people were killed, as brutal? Doesn't add up on their part.

What, there, does reconcile and all THINGS...note not all people, but all things....mean? What does that mean?

A lot of times when I see verses like that quoted, they are quoted apart from the context. Often the context shows the author speaking of those that believed, as opposed to those that don't.

the word Reconcile means "to bring back a former state of harmony"

notice the comparison in two verses.

Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Col 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
Col 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,
Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
You got ALL THINGS and you have "AND YOU"...and in that case Paul gives a conditional "if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast...."

I think the ALL THINGS refers to everything else...the system of things, God's government, the creation. It will be put back in harmony.



UR does not say that those that do not enter into the faith will be held blameless. However, this in no way negates the eventual reconciliation. Those that are steadfast and stable will be blameless and will enter immediately into the aionion life.

But to preach sermons and doctrine as exemplified in this original post is to vilify God, and is completely out of order, and contradictory to the nature of God. Please don't tell me that you would defend that type of fear mongering.

[crakjak]

How will the URs feel....if they indeed make it to heaven, only to find out that all the nasty stuff they said about God....the God of the bible that DOES in fact allow the unbelievers to perish in hell? Will they demand God send them away rather than spend an Eternity with such a monster (their words)?

Again I have to remind us, what matters is what GOD'S word SAYS on the matter. Not emotive posturing. Not philosophical musings. When a person defines their God by such devices they are infact creating a false god made in their own image.

What? I would never have dream of Prax, using emotive posturing?? LOL