Ok when is enough...enough

[KWSS1976]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528880,00.html

[OnTheFritz]

That should about do it....

[Digging4Truth]

Did the US garner the proper permission required by the UN resolution to inspect the ship? It doesn't appear so or else it would be mentioned that they had done so.

So... the US is tailing a Korean ship.


We wouldn't take it too kindly nor we would we take it as friendly if a Korean ship tailed one of our ships.

They didn't threaten to... as the fox article tried to put forward... "Wipe out the US".

They said... "If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all,"

I'd also love to know what words were replaced by that "..."

So... seeing that we appear to have sought no permission to check the "suspicious" ship but only tailed the ship from the moment it left harbor (which seems like harassment to me)

The reality of it doesn't match up to what Fox is spewing out.

But... it will... by the time they get through whipping up another frenzy. It appears that it is pretty easy to do with such a willing audience.

[Pressing-On]

Did the US garner the proper permission required by the UN resolution to inspect the ship? It doesn't appear so or else it would be mentioned that they had done so.

So... the US is tailing a Korean ship.


We wouldn't take it too kindly nor we would we take it as friendly if a Korean ship tailed one of our ships.

They didn't threaten to... as the fox article tried to put forward... "Wipe out the US".

They said... "If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all,"

I'd also love to know what words were replaced by that "..."

So... seeing that we appear to have sought no permission to check the "suspicious" ship but only tailed the ship from the moment it left harbor (which seems like harassment to me)

The reality of it doesn't match up to what Fox is spewing out.

But... it will... by the time they get through whipping up another frenzy. It appears that it is pretty easy to do with such a willing audience.

For the discussion....

The U.S. Navy has been tracking the ship since it left a North Korean port on Wednesday, and will attempt to hail the ship and seek permission to board for inspection, the official said on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic.

"The U.N. resolution does not include an option for an opposed boarding or a noncompliant boarding," Adm. Mullen said. "If we get to that point with a vessel we suspect has material which is unauthorized -- that's a report that goes back to the U.N."

Security Council sanctions approved June 12 sharply restrict North Korea's arms trade and authorize U.N. members to stop, inspect, seize and destroy prohibited items. The measure followed nuclear and missile tests by the North.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/19/us-shadows-n-korean-ship-suspects-arms/

The UN resolution, passed on June 12 in response to North Korea’s recent nuclear test, is plagued with loopholes. The document merely “calls upon” rather than requires member nations to inspect cargo suspected of containing restricted materials. Nations can only inspect suspect vessels with the consent of the flag nation; without such consent, the ship must be directed to an “appropriate and convenient” port for the required inspection. China resisted efforts to base implementation on Article 42 of Chapter 7 of the UN Charter, which would have allowed military force to uphold the resolution.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/19/north-korea-trawler-chase-highlights-un-resolution-weakness/

HOW MIGHT THE SITUATION PLAY OUT?

A U.S. naval vessel could intercept the ship, which is believed to be North Korean flagged, while it is in international waters and officers could seek permission to board. According to the resolution, permission must be given by the flag nation, or Pyongyang in this case, which would be sure to refuse.

WHAT DOES THE U.N. RESOLUTION ALLOW?

The resolution calls upon -- but does not order -- U.N. member states to inspect cargo to and from North Korea if there are reasonable grounds to believe it contains banned materials.

It calls upon member states to inspect vessels, with the consent of the flag state, on the high seas, if they have information the ship is carrying prohibited materials.

If the flag state refuses to give permission, it is supposed to ask the vessel to sail to a convenient port for inspection by local authorities, who should seize any banned goods and destroy them. However, the resolution does not authorize the use of force. If a North Korean ship refuses to be inspected, the only recourse is to report the refusal to the Security Council.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE55L06Z20090622

[Praxeas]

The UN is a toothless tiger.

[EA]

Rubbish.

North Korea is posturing.

Nothing more.

[MissBrattified]

Fox News isn't the only one using the term "wipe out"; CBSNews said it as well.

CBS' title: N. Korea Threatens To "Wipe Out" U.S.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/24/world/main5109636.shtml

"In a first test of the new resolution, a North Korean ship suspected of transporting illicit weapons was sailing off China's coast with a U.S. destroyer close behind.

The Kang Nam, which left the North Korean port of Nampo a week ago, is believed bound for Myanmar, South Korean and U.S. officials said.

A senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was unable to discuss intelligence on the vessel, said Wednesday that the ship had already cleared the Taiwan Strait.

He said he didn't know how much range the Kang Nam has — that is, whether or when it may need to stop in some port to refuel — but that the Kang Nam has in the past stopped in Hong Kong's port.

North Korea has said it would consider interception a declaration of war, and on Wednesday accused the U.S. of seeking to start another Korean War.

[Digging4Truth]

Fox News isn't the only one using the term "wipe out"; CBSNews said it as well.

CBS' title: N. Korea Threatens To "Wipe Out" U.S.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/24/world/main5109636.shtml

"In a first test of the new resolution, a North Korean ship suspected of transporting illicit weapons was sailing off China's coast with a U.S. destroyer close behind.

The Kang Nam, which left the North Korean port of Nampo a week ago, is believed bound for Myanmar, South Korean and U.S. officials said.

A senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was unable to discuss intelligence on the vessel, said Wednesday that the ship had already cleared the Taiwan Strait.

He said he didn't know how much range the Kang Nam has — that is, whether or when it may need to stop in some port to refuel — but that the Kang Nam has in the past stopped in Hong Kong's port.

North Korea has said it would consider interception a declaration of war, and on Wednesday accused the U.S. of seeking to start another Korean War.

There's not an acronym out there that tells it the way it is.

Even if they claim to be fair & balanced.

[MissBrattified]

There's not an acronym out there that tells it the way it is.

Even if they claim to be fair & balanced.

Well, I agree that NK is threatening to wipe out the U.S. I doubt they can actually carry out their threat, but I agree with the interpretation of the rhetoric.

And it doesn't bother me in the least that the U.S. was tailing a ship without permission. :)

[Digging4Truth]

Well, I agree that NK is threatening to wipe out the U.S. I doubt they can actually carry out their threat, but I agree with the interpretation of the rhetoric.

And it doesn't bother me in the least that the U.S. was tailing a ship without permission. :)

They are not threatening to wipe out the US. They are stating "If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all,"


Question... would it bother you in the least if a Korean ship was tailing a US Ship?

[MissBrattified]

They are not threatening to wipe out the US. They are stating "If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all,"


Question... would it bother you in the least if a Korean ship was tailing a US Ship?

Absolutely. I'm biased. :)

You're playing semantics. What "aggressors" do you think they're referring to? :rolleyes2

[Digging4Truth]

Absolutely. I'm biased. :)

You're playing semantics. What "aggressors" do you think they're referring to? :rolleyes2

I don't see where anyone said anything about aggressors.

Semantics? I think it is called apples to apples.

Semantics is nit picking over words.

i am stating and you are agreeing with the premise that you see no issue with doing to others what you would not tolerate other doing to you.

That isn't semantics...

[MissBrattified]

I don't see where anyone said anything about aggressors.

"...the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all,"

So who is NK calling "aggressors?"

Semantics? I think it is called apples to apples.

Semantics is nit picking over words.

i am stating and you are agreeing with the premise that you see no issue with doing to others what you would not tolerate other doing to you.

That isn't semantics...

People who threaten the wellbeing of others lose their rights to fair treatment, IMO. No different than one of my children losing their privacy through some violation of a rule or dishonest behavior. I will not hesitate to search their rooms or remove their privileges, until they have earned my trust.

I see no need to treat everyone the same, if they have not earned that respect.

Anyway, by "semantics" I meant reading the quote and stating NK did not threaten to wipe anyone out. They quite clearly stated they would "wipe out the aggressors." And the context points to the US being the "aggressor" in their view. Which is quite ludicrous, since NK is clearly the aggressor in this instance.

[Digging4Truth]

"...the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all,"

Well there was never a question about that.

I never said they weren't referring to the US. Are we not aggressors in the world today?

What I am stating is that there is a different between... I am going to blow you away... and... if you shoot at me I am going to blow you away.

One is a direct, personal and unconditional threat of unprovoked violence.

The other is a threat of retaliation SHOULD the subject party make a first move.

There's a difference but, while the statement is the latter example, it is being touted as the former.

[MissBrattified]

Well there was never a question about that.

I never said they weren't referring to the US. Are we not aggressors in the world today?

I don't see where anyone said anything about aggressors.

:blink

What I am stating is that there is a different between... I am going to blow you away... and... if you shoot at me I am going to blow you away.

One is a direct, personal and unconditional threat of unprovoked violence.

The other is a threat of retaliation SHOULD the subject party make a first move.

There's a difference but, while the statement is the latter example, it is being touted as the former.

It's a game, though, because NK has already been threatening the U.S. and others. They are already the aggressors. We have informed THEM of the consequences if they don't stop their actions, and now they are trying to turn the tables and make it look like we're responsible for their further aggression.

It's ludicrous.

[Digging4Truth]

:blink



It's a game, though, because NK has already been threatening the U.S. and others. They are already the aggressors. We have informed THEM of the consequences if they don't stop their actions, and now they are trying to turn the tables and make it look like we're responsible for their further aggression.

It's ludicrous.

Then all we have to do is not start another war and we have foiled their evil plot.

Hopefully we won't...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Rubbish.

North Korea is posturing.

Nothing more.



Honestly, this is exactly what I thought when I read about this.

But we shall see.



For the record, if things get ugly, America did not start this. It is clear that we are not the aggressors in this. But I hope that NK doesn't try to test our will to use force.

I don't think FOX did much to add to NK's words and I don't think NK is going to be so stupid.

If they are that stupid, well I hope our response is strong.