Would you put up a holiness chart on your website?

[Apocrypha]

Im not attacking or praising... but it certainly is a ... unique advertising strategy to put it on your churches webpage

http://www.bostonupc.org/message.php?topicID=9753&

also under the "info center" holiness chart tab

[nahkoe]

:crazywalls:uhoh:banghead

[Sister Alvear]

I don´t think I would....

[RandyWayne]

The should make the little human chart anatomically correct at least. Would be far more informative.

[nahkoe]

The should make the little human chart anatomically correct at least. Would be far more informative.

:ursofunny

[Sam]

They should have checked the spelling before displaying this to the world.
It doesn't help the image many folks have of us.

[berkeley]

I think it's cool!! Jk Jk

[Sam]

If folks see the poor spelling,
and clothing rules that have no clear scripture foundation,
how confident will folks be that anything else they say or teach is scriptural?

[Apocrypha]

If folks see the poor spelling,
and clothing rules that have no clear scripture foundation,
how confident will folks be that anything else they say or teach is scriptural?

Lets not start a standards pie fight in here :)

I was just wondering what folks opinions were... if the true hardcore among us would be as faithful as these... visionary... brethren to put that up on their website...

[jaxfam6]

No I would not. First it is ONLY for women. Second it has the word "in-modest" used, what exactly does that mean?


Here is the what they say: "Be careful with stretchy skirts. They tend to cling to you and may look good, but can end up being in-modest. If in doubt don't wear it."
Taken from the church website
http://www.bostonupc.org/message.php?topicID=9753&
So what exactly does "in-modest" mean?

Please get someone to edit your websites. It is one thing to have a word spelled incorrectly in a forum or a personal page but to have a business or church website with words that are misspelled, or completely made up, makes you look "redneck", or plan ignorant.

[nahkoe]

I have to admit I'd appreciate if those who believe this so strongly would put it up on their sites. It'd make it so much easier to identify those churches.

[nahkoe]

No I would not. First it is ONLY for women. Second it has the word "in-modest" used, what exactly does that mean?


Here is the what they say: "Be careful with stretchy skirts. They tend to cling to you and may look good, but can end up being in-modest. If in doubt don't wear it."
Taken from the church website
http://www.bostonupc.org/message.php?topicID=9753&
So what exactly does "in-modest" mean?

Please get someone to edit your websites. It is one thing to have a word spelled incorrectly in a forum or a personal page but to have a business or church website with words that are misspelled, or completely made up, makes you look "redneck", or plan ignorant.

That's not the only typo (as a matter of fact, it says shirts, not skirts, but the images are of skirts...) or misspelling or...whatever you'd like to call the things they display there.

[Apocrypha]

No I would not. First it is ONLY for women. Second it has the word "in-modest" used, what exactly does that mean?


Here is the what they say: "Be careful with stretchy skirts. They tend to cling to you and may look good, but can end up being in-modest. If in doubt don't wear it."
Taken from the church website
http://www.bostonupc.org/message.php?topicID=9753&
So what exactly does "in-modest" mean?

Please get someone to edit your websites. It is one thing to have a word spelled incorrectly in a forum or a personal page but to have a business or church website with words that are misspelled, or completely made up, makes you look "redneck", or plan ignorant.

It means theres no spell check in Microsoft Paint that comes with Windows.

[jaxfam6]

No mid-diffs? and wear longer shirts under tops??????

[jaxfam6]

It means there's no spell check in Microsoft Paint that comes with Windows.

Then they should get someone who knows English a bit better to do their page.

[nahkoe]

Then they should get someone who knows English a bit better to do their page.

That would definitely be a good idea in this case. lol

[Kutless]

Don't normally post and had I not just watched R.K. speak about holiness and seperation I probably wouldn't have. Just gotta say outside of the mis-spelling I applaud this display. I'm sick of vague deliveries, beat around the bush speak. At least you know where they stand (I think someone mentioned that)

I really don't support most of the clothes closet preaching but I'm glad to see someone put it out there.

I'd love to hear a big-wig address specific issues at a major conference

[Apocrypha]

Don't normally post and had I not just watched R.K. speak about holiness and seperation I probably wouldn't have. Just gotta say outside of the mis-spelling I applaud this display. I'm sick of vague deliveries, beat around the bush speak. At least you know where they stand (I think someone mentioned that)

I really don't support most of the clothes closet preaching but I'm glad to see someone put it out there.

I'd love to hear a big-wig address specific issues at a major conference

Im glad you stepped up. Any other rightward brothers or sisters wanna back the man up?

Also I miss Daniel A. ... this would be up his alley.

[jaxfam6]

no offense meant by this comment, not directed at anyone but is in response to the remark by Kutless. I would like for them all to start allowing people to grow and build a relationship with God. Help them nurture that relationship. I would rather that than the way things seem in a lot of cases where they tell them how to live and dress and the person never gets an understanding and never grows with God. They get an "employee handbook" and they live that but never truly know God in His fullness.

[U376977]

They should have checked the spelling before displaying this to the world.
It doesn't help the image many folks have of us.

Sam, From what I know of you...it is not "us." I don't identify with such foolishness in any way. This type of teaching does not belong on a website. If a local church wants to teach it to members....cool.
Just looking at the chart for 30 seconds tells me that if I am ever in that city that is one church I know I won't visit.

[Digging4Truth]

Uh oh... there are a few people in the slide show that don't line up to the chart.

Could be trouble. :)

[Apocrypha]

no offense meant by this comment, not directed at anyone but is in response to the remark by Kutless. I would like for them all to start allowing people to grow and build a relationship with God. Help them nurture that relationship. I would rather that than the way things seem in a lot of cases where they tell them how to live and dress and the person never gets an understanding and never grows with God. They get an "employee handbook" and they live that but never truly know God in His fullness.

But no group health benefits and they don't even get direct deposit every Friday... seems kind of a ripoff :)

[Apocrypha]

Uh oh... there are a few people in the slide show that don't line up to the chart.

Could be trouble. :)

Are you saying some of their girls on their website are wearing "Skirt #1" and not "Skirt #2"?

[Kutless]

no offense meant by this comment, not directed at anyone but is in response to the remark by Kutless. I would like for them all to start allowing people to grow and build a relationship with God. Help them nurture that relationship. I would rather that than the way things seem in a lot of cases where they tell them how to live and dress and the person never gets an understanding and never grows with God. They get an "employee handbook" and they live that but never truly know God in His fullness.completely understand and agree......but lets say I were to be looking to change churches at least I would know that this church wouldn't be my first choice....as opposed to 99% of the preaching I've heard on the "Doctrine" of seperation and holiness. Leaves room for a wide interpretation. Say it like it is and let people know what you want! This sissy junk seemingly is afraid of losing to much tithe.....

[jaxfam6]

:ursofunnyBut no group health benefits and they don't even get direct deposit every Friday... seems kind of a ripoff :)

[jaxfam6]

completely understand and agree......but lets say I were to be looking to change churches at least I would know that this church wouldn't be my first choice....as opposed to 99% of the preaching I've heard on the "Doctrine" of seperation and holiness. Leaves room for a wide interpretation. Say it like it is and let people know what you want! This sissy junk seemingly is afraid of losing to much tithe.....

I will not argue that with you. You have a valid point. AS FOR ME AND ANY CHURCH I WOULD PASTOR, WE will NOT have a chart.


:ursofunny:ursofunny

[nahkoe]

completely understand and agree......but lets say I were to be looking to change churches at least I would know that this church wouldn't be my first choice....as opposed to 99% of the preaching I've heard on the "Doctrine" of seperation and holiness. Leaves room for a wide interpretation. Say it like it is and let people know what you want! This sissy junk seemingly is afraid of losing to much tithe.....

Exactly why I was saying I'd appreciate it being posted. At least I know to avoid that church then. Don't have to waste a service sitting there knowing it's never gonna work.

[jaxfam6]

I went to visit a church here in Phoenix that doesn't have a website, God knows they should and it needs their 'HOLINESS' person posted. We show up and the music is going good and we can hear it from the parking lot and are thinking, "great, cool, a church with music". We get inside and EVERYONE is dressed to the nines. Men in suits, white shirts, subtle ties, etc etc. Women have hair up, dresses (or skirts) to the ankles, sleeves to the wrists, neckline to the chin. EVEN THE KIDS
WELL needless to say we STUCK OUT, WAY OUT. We were not in jeans but we did not have on suits and I think we may have had on short sleeves and my wife, God forbid, she was was in opentoed shoes and her neckline plunged and inch or two down (no goodies showing)
They told people to shake someones hand and greet them in Jesus name. NO ONE came near us. They looked at us but they would not come near us. Then the guest speaker got up and preached. He stood about two pews in front of us looking at us the whole time.

NEVER WENT BACK

=)

[Sherri]

This chart made me laugh. Sorry!

[Apocrypha]

This chart made me laugh. Sorry!

You should put it up on your TBN Show. Throw down some Apostolic Pride ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwTgYgn80w&feature=related

[Kutless]

I'm guessing from the sleeveless gentleman in the slide show that there isn't a need for a male version of this map to holiness

[Apocrypha]

I'm guessing from the sleeveless gentleman in the slide show that there isn't a need for a male version of this map to holiness

Boston is well known for their steamy winters.. it gets hot up in 'dere.

[RandyWayne]

This chart made me laugh. Sorry!

I'm thinking of doing my own unique version of it (free for anyone to put on their own sites). Granted, it may get quite technical with numerous mathematical equations (with all honors given to Einstein, Arthur C Clark, and Hawkings), but it will also answer a lot of questions such as "Why is this length ok and the other is not if only an inch separates them?" or "Why is this color allowed in this congregation but not that one?".

Look for it soon!

[Praxeas]

Is there one for guys?

[Praxeas]

kinda reminds me of a black Oneness church I saw where they told visitors not to come unless they dressed according to their standards...they are very VERY small church

[OnTheFritz]

Trying to figure out where to submit this link... Failblog or Facebook..., decisons, decisions...

[Jermyn Davidson]

I guess this means I am going through some kind of change or something.

Outside of the misspellings, and the pictures that almost contradicted or even contradicted the diagram, I well didn't see anything wrong with it.



But even as I type, I am thinking of the phrase, "holiness standards". This implies that one should dress according to these guidelines in order to be holy. If you don't abide by these guidelines, then you're not holy. If you're not holy, then you're not saved because, "holiness without, no man shall see the Lord."

So now I am forced to look this way because if I don't, I'm not saved.



It's this kind of thinking that feeds the idea that Apostolics are cultish and that they themselves are not even saved!

I rebuke these thoughts of heresy in the name of Jesus!

The blood of Jesus saves!

The blood of Jesus keeps me saved!

My salvation is all about Jesus!

I am saved by His Grace and for His Glory!!

Halleulujah!

Jesus Saves!!!

[Apocrypha]

I guess this means I am going through some kind of change or something.

Outside of the misspellings, and the pictures that almost contradicted or even contradicted the diagram, I well didn't see anything wrong with it.



But even as I type, I am thinking of the phrase, "holiness standards". This implies that one should dress according to these guidelines in order to be holy. If you don't abide by these guidelines, then you're not holy. If you're not holy, then you're not saved because, "holiness without, no man shall see the Lord."

So now I am forced to look this way because if I don't, I'm not saved.



It's this kind of thinking that feeds the idea that Apostolics are cultish and that they themselves are not even saved!

I rebuke these thoughts of heresy in the name of Jesus!

The blood of Jesus saves!

The blood of Jesus keeps me saved!

My salvation is all about Jesus!

I am saved by His Grace and for His Glory!!

Halleulujah!

Jesus Saves!!!

These things you can't learn from a Jedi...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09jFWQVrE0&feature=related

[Jermyn Davidson]

I guess this means I am going through some kind of change or something.

Outside of the misspellings, and the pictures that almost contradicted or even contradicted the diagram, I well didn't see anything wrong with it.



But even as I type, I am thinking of the phrase, "holiness standards". This implies that one should dress according to these guidelines in order to be holy. If you don't abide by these guidelines, then you're not holy. If you're not holy, then you're not saved because, "holiness without, no man shall see the Lord."

So now I am forced to look this way because if I don't, I'm not saved.



It's this kind of thinking that feeds the idea that Apostolics are cultish and that they themselves are not even saved!

I rebuke these thoughts of heresy in the name of Jesus!

The blood of Jesus saves!

The blood of Jesus keeps me saved!

My salvation is all about Jesus!

I am saved by His Grace and for His Glory!!

Halleulujah!

Jesus Saves!!!


God knows I posted this not to be blasphemous, but to assert my faith that salvation comes and is maintained through the Blood of Jesus-- not by rules and regulations and standards of such.

[ILG]

If that's what they believe, they may as well be up front.

[nahkoe]

You nailed it. If I'm not saved unless I look exactly right, then I'm not saved at all.

I guess this means I am going through some kind of change or something.

Outside of the misspellings, and the pictures that almost contradicted or even contradicted the diagram, I well didn't see anything wrong with it.



But even as I type, I am thinking of the phrase, "holiness standards". This implies that one should dress according to these guidelines in order to be holy. If you don't abide by these guidelines, then you're not holy. If you're not holy, then you're not saved because, "holiness without, no man shall see the Lord."

So now I am forced to look this way because if I don't, I'm not saved.



It's this kind of thinking that feeds the idea that Apostolics are cultish and that they themselves are not even saved!

I rebuke these thoughts of heresy in the name of Jesus!

The blood of Jesus saves!

The blood of Jesus keeps me saved!

My salvation is all about Jesus!

I am saved by His Grace and for His Glory!!

Halleulujah!

Jesus Saves!!!

[ILG]

No I would not. First it is ONLY for women. Second it has the word "in-modest" used, what exactly does that mean?


Here is the what they say: "Be careful with stretchy skirts. They tend to cling to you and may look good, but can end up being in-modest. If in doubt don't wear it."
Taken from the church website
http://www.bostonupc.org/message.php?topicID=9753&
So what exactly does "in-modest" mean?

Please get someone to edit your websites. It is one thing to have a word spelled incorrectly in a forum or a personal page but to have a business or church website with words that are misspelled, or completely made up, makes you look "redneck", or plan ignorant.

plan ignorant???:ursofunny

[Praxeas]

God knows I posted this not to be blasphemous, but to assert my faith that salvation comes and is maintained through the Blood of Jesus-- not by rules and regulations and standards of such.
Agreed

[Praxeas]

If that's what they believe, they may as well be up front.
I don't think so. Being on their website it can imply to a visitor they need to dress like that before they can even visit, let alone be saved

[Sam]

kinda reminds me of a black Oneness church I saw where they told visitors not to come unless they dressed according to their standards...they are very VERY small church

A few years ago a man (JZ) I worked with told me very proudly that at the Baptist Church where he was going, a woman is not even allowed in the door if she is wearing pants. This applies even to florists delivering flowers for weddings or funerals.

Their pastor stopped by their house. JZ's wife was on her hands and knees in the yard planting or weeding flowers and she had pants on. As the pastor approached the house he saw how she was dressed and abruptly turned around, got in his car, and drove off.

[Sister Alvear]

Pride is a horrible sin...No wonder people are turned off by christians...

[Timmy]

If that's what they believe, they may as well be up front.

Exactly! I'm for full disclosure, not bait-n-switch! Put up your requirements for salvation, too. All the steps, and the maintenance requirements. All the rules. A few videos of typical services would be nice, too. Some folks like shock-a-moo, some don't. A well informed consumer is able to make better choices! :winkgrin

[Timmy]

plan ignorant???:ursofunny

Yeah, ignorant of the plan. What's yer problem?

:ursofunny

[Pragmatist]

I disagree with the chart being on their website, but their guidelines aren't that bad. I only disagree with the neckline "rule."

[MissBrattified]

I'm in agreement with modesty, and is isn't a bad guideline, (minus the spelling errors), but I don't think it should be on their website. That's something that could be shared in a teaching setting, passed on from an older woman to younger women, as the practical application of a biblical principle. And some explanation as to the whys and hows should accompany the teaching.

The fact that its only for women makes the church look sexist and demeaning toward women, the fact that it includes spelling errors makes them look uneducated, and the fact that its priority enough to show the general public before they even attend the church makes them look like Pharisees. (More concerned with appearances than the heart.)

It may be that none of those assumptions are true, but that is likely how it will appear to people who aren't familiar with church traditions.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Ok, now that 6 pages have been typed up in one day, by folks that do not know this assembly, I will give my input.

I have been to this assembly a fair amount of times, I was never a member, but when I lived in Boston, if I was going to attend Bible study in the city it was that assembly, and the pastor of that assembly welcomed me there, and I went to youth events there with my sister and whatnot, when I was in the MA/RI UPC district. Here's the scoop:

This is an assembly that is not particularly conservative. Most wear wedding rings, they allow short-sleeves, and they would not be considered "cultish" or anything like that. It is predominately African-American and Jamaican, and it seems that there is a headcovering custom for 1/2 of the sisters in that assembly. They would be considered VERY much into the UPC/classical Pentecost. They're generally friendly people, and the pastor there has a lot of other ministers helping him, so it's not run by some dictatorial-authoritarian-pastor. Could I make my spiritual home there? Probably not... There is a strong racial barrier that I have always felt difficult to break, but one of the assistant ministers attends there with his family and they are Caucasian. Overall it's just a middle-of-the-road UPC assembly, and in their zeal for modesty and holiness probably thought, "Let's put this chart up on our website to show people what holiness-clothing looks like! After all, how can they know unless we show them?" They're not out to make you all feel bad about yourself or to keep you out of the Boston assembly if you don't dress this way. Would my assembly have it on our website? No... but honestly, the Boston assembly probably made this "faux pas" inadvertently.

My advice: Someone get up the gaul to e-mail the link to this conversation to the church website or to the Pastor...

If that happens; then my message to Bro. Bennett is:

Hello Brother Bennett, I hope all is well at the Boston assembly, sorry for some of the rude comments made on this discussion thread. I praise GOD for an assembly in Boston that is still preaching the Acts 2:38 salvation message, along with One-GOD and holiness! May the LORD continue to bless you all, and hopefully the good posts on this discussion thread will just be something for you to consider, should you so desire to consider this matter.

-Bro. Alex

[MissBrattified]

My advice: Someone get up the gaul to e-mail the link to this conversation to the church website or to the Pastor...

By all means, Alex. Be our guest. :)

[Sept5SavedTeen]

By all means, Alex. Be our guest. :)

I didn't start this thread... I simply responded, and I am not going to e-mail Bro. Bennett, because it does not bother me that much, but to those who are bothered by it, why not address our brethren in Boston? Or the one's who will talk badly about our Boston brethren, why not speak that way to their face (metaphorically of course)...

-Bro. Alex

[RandyWayne]

I didn't start this thread... I simply responded, and I am not going to e-mail Bro. Bennett, because it does not bother me that much, but to those who are bothered by it, why not address our brethren in Boston? Or the one's who will talk badly about our Boston brethren, why not speak that way to their face (metaphorically of course)...

-Bro. Alex

I will. In fact, I will soon have a much better chart for him to post. People need details and the mathematical proofs for doing the things they do.

[OnTheFritz]

I didn't start this thread... I simply responded, and I am not going to e-mail Bro. Bennett, because it does not bother me that much, but to those who are bothered by it, why not address our brethren in Boston? Or the one's who will talk badly about our Boston brethren, why not speak that way to their face (metaphorically of course)...

-Bro. Alex

I don't think anyone is talking bad about them. I think everyone is just astounded that someone would a) think this is a good strategy and b) not have caught the spelling errors by now. I'll be glad to tell them as much -- though I may wait for Randy's new and improved chart. :D

[RandyWayne]

I don't think anyone is talking bad about them. I think everyone is just astounded that someone would a) think this is a good strategy and b) not have caught the spelling errors by now. I'll be glad to tell them as much -- though I may wait for Randy's new and improved chart. :D

I'm working on it, and want to do it right. Just imagine Carl Sagan explaining "Holiness" and you get the drift.

When I am done it will be worthy of being included in Voyager 3's payload (which hopefully won't attack the Earth in a few hundred years as V'ger).

[Sherri]

I'm in agreement with modesty, and is isn't a bad guideline, (minus the spelling errors), but I don't think it should be on their website. That's something that could be shared in a teaching setting, passed on from an older woman to younger women, as the practical application of a biblical principle. And some explanation as to the whys and hows should accompany the teaching.

The fact that its only for women makes the church look sexist and demeaning toward women, the fact that it includes spelling errors makes them look uneducated, and the fact that its priority enough to show the general public before they even attend the church makes them look like Pharisees. (More concerned with appearances than the heart.)

It may be that none of those assumptions are true, but that is likely how it will appear to people who aren't familiar with church traditions.

Good post, as always. No one is saying they cannot have their own rules and guidelines, just that it doesn't look good for the general public to see something like this online. It appears cultish, IMO.

[Sister Alvear]

I do not know the folks and am sure they are precious and Love the Lord...However for measurements to be on a website is a little far out in my thinking...

[Twisp]

They should have checked the spelling before displaying this to the world.
It doesn't help the image many folks have of us.

And if you are going to spell a word incorrectly, don't underline it.

[jaxfam6]

plan ignorant???:ursofunny

I had to see if anyone would catch it. :ursofunny

at least that is MY STORY and I am sticking to it.





supposed to plan it out when you are ignorant JUST LIKE ME


yeah
yeah, that's it

[ILG]

I had to see if anyone would catch it. :ursofunny

at least that is MY STORY and I am sticking to it.





supposed to plan it out when you are ignorant JUST LIKE ME


yeah
yeah, that's it

:scorebad

:D

[jaxfam6]

I disagree with the chart being on their website, but their guidelines aren't that bad. I only disagree with the neckline "rule."

you wanting it lower???


:ursofunny

[jaxfam6]

:scorebad

:D

geez what is with these judges. that was worth at least a 6.5

[TJJJ]

To all:

I checked out the website, there was no place for "contact us" so I signed the guest book and left this message.

We have checked our your site and some liked your holiness page and some didn't, you can see what was discussed at WWW.apostolicfriendsforum.com

To Bro Bennett; This was written for you.

Hello Brother Bennett, I hope all is well at the Boston assembly, sorry for some of the rude comments made on this discussion thread. I praise GOD for an assembly in Boston that is still preaching the Acts 2:38 salvation message, along with One-GOD and holiness! May the LORD continue to bless you all, and hopefully the good posts on this discussion thread will just be something for you to consider, should you so desire to consider this matter.

Lord Bless in Jesus nameTJJJ

[RandyWayne]

Mmmm... I didn't need anyone to speak on my behalf.

[mfblume]

The chart is cultic. My opinion.

[berkeley]

Blume was going to put up his charts, but he only completed part of his series: holiness, hair, and hem lines

maybe he will soon fulfill the task so we can take a look..

[nahkoe]

To all:

I checked out the website, there was no place for "contact us" so I signed the guest book and left this message.

Contact info is on the home page, top right hand corner. It has a telephone number and an email us link.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Ok, now that 6 pages have been typed up in one day, by folks that do not know this assembly, I will give my input.

I have been to this assembly a fair amount of times, I was never a member, but when I lived in Boston, if I was going to attend Bible study in the city it was that assembly, and the pastor of that assembly welcomed me there, and I went to youth events there with my sister and whatnot, when I was in the MA/RI UPC district. Here's the scoop:

This is an assembly that is not particularly conservative. Most wear wedding rings, they allow short-sleeves, and they would not be considered "cultish" or anything like that. It is predominately African-American and Jamaican, and it seems that there is a headcovering custom for 1/2 of the sisters in that assembly. They would be considered VERY much into the UPC/classical Pentecost. They're generally friendly people, and the pastor there has a lot of other ministers helping him, so it's not run by some dictatorial-authoritarian-pastor. Could I make my spiritual home there? Probably not... There is a strong racial barrier that I have always felt difficult to break, but one of the assistant ministers attends there with his family and they are Caucasian. Overall it's just a middle-of-the-road UPC assembly, and in their zeal for modesty and holiness probably thought, "Let's put this chart up on our website to show people what holiness-clothing looks like! After all, how can they know unless we show them?" They're not out to make you all feel bad about yourself or to keep you out of the Boston assembly if you don't dress this way. Would my assembly have it on our website? No... but honestly, the Boston assembly probably made this "faux pas" inadvertently.

My advice: Someone get up the gaul to e-mail the link to this conversation to the church website or to the Pastor...

If that happens; then my message to Bro. Bennett is:

Hello Brother Bennett, I hope all is well at the Boston assembly, sorry for some of the rude comments made on this discussion thread. I praise GOD for an assembly in Boston that is still preaching the Acts 2:38 salvation message, along with One-GOD and holiness! May the LORD continue to bless you all, and hopefully the good posts on this discussion thread will just be something for you to consider, should you so desire to consider this matter.

-Bro. Alex



WOW!

1) I saved a copy of my initial post on this thread in an attempt to send it to the Pastor, but the only place to submit this was their public "Guestbook" and I felt it unwise and could be discouraging to some if I had posted my message there.


2) What's the deal with this racial barrier you discussed? Why would it be a barrier to anyone?

[OnTheFritz]

To all:

I checked out the website, there was no place for "contact us" so I signed the guest book and left this message.

We have checked our your site and some liked your holiness page and some didn't, you can see what was discussed at WWW.apostolicfriendsforum.com

To Bro Bennett; This was written for you.

Hello Brother Bennett, I hope all is well at the Boston assembly, sorry for some of the rude comments made on this discussion thread. I praise GOD for an assembly in Boston that is still preaching the Acts 2:38 salvation message, along with One-GOD and holiness! May the LORD continue to bless you all, and hopefully the good posts on this discussion thread will just be something for you to consider, should you so desire to consider this matter.

Lord Bless in Jesus nameTJJJ

Hahaha ;). How random will this be to whoever reads it.... It is presented as if we are the high council, and we have not yet determined a course of action since we have not yet reached a consenus. I WOULD like to apologize to them for this... ;). Good grief.

[mfblume]

blume was going to put up his charts, but he only completed part of his series: Holiness, hair, and hem lines

maybe he will soon fulfill the task so we can take a look..

hahahahahaha/ :d

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Yes, as if AFF is some sort of high counsel... I do wonder what they will do after reading this thread of ours, if some of the leadership chose to read it. I hope they are blessed either way, and I don't see it as that big of a deal, since a lot of people don't even check church websites anymore (unless you are apostolic anyways), and that assembly is still healthy and growing to my knowledge.

-Bro. Alex

[RandyWayne]

All I want to know is, is the pastor of this church on Reckarts wall of shame?

[mfblume]

All I want to know is, is the pastor of this church on Reckarts wall of shame?

No way! Reckart would applaud that chart!

[berkeley]

No way! Reckart would applaud that chart!
true, that is if it's conservative enough :)

[Hoovie]

They had similar charts outside the Vatican and enforced the "no bare shoulders" rule.

[RandyWayne]

true, that is if it's conservative enough :)

That's the angle I was thinking.

[Pragmatist]

you wanting it lower???


:ursofunny

Um, yes. As long as everything's covered, I think I'm okay. :)

[RandyWayne]

Um, yes. As long as everything's covered, I think I'm okay. :)

You want everything covered? LOL

[Pragmatist]

You want everything covered? LOL



They stated nothing exposed below the collarbone. I think that's unnecessary and as long as cleavage is not exposed, it is okay. Do you need any further clarification? :foottap

[Praxeas]

Ah..is that what they are callin 'em these days?:ursofunny

[RandyWayne]

They stated nothing exposed below the collarbone. I think that's unnecessary and as long as cleavage is not exposed, it is okay. Do you need any further clarification? :foottap

I understand what you were saying. :) Just playing devils advocate.

I've always wondered why "cleavage" is considered taboo. We just came back from Jamaica (a very entertaining and relaxing week I may add!) and sometimes wished that some women ONLY showed cleavage. LOL
But it shows that one persons idea of what is "too much" is vastly different then another guys. My own PERSONAL mental ruler says that a LITTLE cleavage is ok (based on person and bust size) but more than a "little" is "too much". Sound subjective? It is, and always changing! One simply cannot make hard and fast rules on such things.

[Apocrypha]

Its interesting some folks consider this a attack thread, i just simply was curious as if folks would do something similar in their own assembly.

[jaxfam6]

Mmmm... I didn't need anyone to speak on my behalf.

agree

[jaxfam6]

Um, yes. As long as everything's covered, I think I'm okay. :)

their opinion is the same. they just seem to think it best to make a line of demarcation, ie.. the collarbone.
i have no problem with it being lowered but there are some that it could be a stumbling block for, I suppose.

[Sam]

I understand what you were saying. :) Just playing devils advocate.

I've always wondered why "cleavage" is considered taboo. We just came back from Jamaica (a very entertaining and relaxing week I may add!) and sometimes wished that some women ONLY showed cleavage. LOL
But it shows that one persons idea of what is "too much" is vastly different then another guys. My own PERSONAL mental ruler says that a LITTLE cleavage is ok (based on person and bust size) but more than a "little" is "too much". Sound subjective? It is, and always changing! One simply cannot make hard and fast rules on such things.

I think most guys like to see cleavage.

[Esther]

Im not attacking or praising... but it certainly is a ... unique advertising strategy to put it on your churches webpage

http://www.bostonupc.org/message.php?topicID=9753&

also under the "info center" holiness chart tab

No chart on what MEN SHOULD wear?

[Sam]

No chart on what MEN SHOULD wear?

Men's standards are a lot less stringent than women's standards
because men make up the rules.

[Jermyn Davidson]

WOW!

1) I saved a copy of my initial post on this thread in an attempt to send it to the Pastor, but the only place to submit this was their public "Guestbook" and I felt it unwise and could be discouraging to some if I had posted my message there.


2) What's the deal with this racial barrier you discussed? Why would it be a barrier to anyone?


bump

[nahkoe]

This is an assembly that is not particularly conservative. Most wear wedding rings, they allow short-sleeves, and they would not be considered "cultish" or anything like that. It is predominately African-American and Jamaican, and it seems that there is a headcovering custom for 1/2 of the sisters in that assembly. They would be considered VERY much into the UPC/classical Pentecost. They're generally friendly people, and the pastor there has a lot of other ministers helping him, so it's not run by some dictatorial-authoritarian-pastor. Could I make my spiritual home there? Probably not... There is a strong racial barrier that I have always felt difficult to break, but one of the assistant ministers attends there with his family and they are Caucasian.

I totally missed this the first time I read this. I'm kind of surprised, and very sad, that such a thing would even factor into a decision about where to attend church.

I've attended churches that had a racial make up where I was seriously in the minority. I never even gave that any thought when it came to deciding whether or not to make that my church home. And each church I made my church home, was truly a home in spite of the color of my skin or anyone else's.

[jaxfam6]

I totally missed this the first time I read this. I'm kind of surprised, and very sad, that such a thing would even factor into a decision about where to attend church.

I've attended churches that had a racial make up where I was seriously in the minority. I never even gave that any thought when it came to deciding whether or not to make that my church home. And each church I made my church home, was truly a home in spite of the color of my skin or anyone else's.

good thing i have not giving race much thought in consideration to where i go to church. if i had i would not be where i am currently. i love the diversity at our church

[commonsense]

Just as a bit of information, one of their recent speakers is definitely "ultra con".

(just checking the rest of the site)

[mfblume]

A little advice for the webmaster of the Boston church site with the dress code chart....

Maybe someone said this already,


...but the word "in-modest" is used. There is no such word. Technically, saying IN modest means something GOOD! We need to be IN modesty! lol But they mistook it for the correct term IMMODEST. These typos make a website look very bad and more care should be made in presenting wording.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Just as a bit of information, one of their recent speakers is definitely "ultra con".

(just checking the rest of the site)

Which speaker was this?

-Bro. Alex

[ManOfWord]

All I can say to this is WOW!

Where's the men's chart? You know, the facial hair, length of pants, boxers or briefs etc! LOL

[TJJJ]

All I can say to this is WOW!

Where's the men's chart? You know, the facial hair, length of pants, boxers or briefs etc! LOL

Everyone knows that women are always the ones to cause trouble in a church, this the rules slanted towards women!

Ahem, us men are the holy ones, righteous ones, (excluding Randy Wayne and his attraction to cleavage of course) but didn't you know that 99% of the troubles in a church are caused by women!!!! Especially TEXAS WOMEN!!!

Men just naturally know what is right and wrong, thus our expert ability to tell women what to do!


:ursofunny

[mfblume]

All I can say to this is WOW!

Where's the men's chart? You know, the facial hair, length of pants, boxers or briefs etc! LOL

Men have failed miserably to show the world we are Christians by the way we dress. But whoever said that was the purpose of clothing? Not the Word.

[TJJJ]

Men have failed miserably to show the world we are Christians by the way we dress. But whoever said that was the purpose of clothing? Not the Word.

Now Blume,

We can't take anything you say as serious because of your evident apostasy reflected by the growth on your upper and lower lips!:gotcha

We, the Respected Esteemed General Council of Holiness Standards of AFA, have concluded that since Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan, Moussilini, and Jack the Ripper all had moustaches that you must be in the same class of the afore mentioned villians!

Everyone on the REGCHS of AFA knows that you have walked away from any holiness standards at all. We are wondering if clothing is even allowed there in that assembly?

(Boy that should get Randy Wayne going! He'll be ready to move to Texas)

[RandyWayne]

Now Blume,

We can't take anything you say as serious because of your evident apostasy reflected by the growth on your upper and lower lips!:gotcha

We, the Respected Esteemed General Council of Holiness Standards of AFA, have concluded that since Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan, Moussilini, and Jack the Ripper all had moustaches that you must be in the same class of the afore mentioned villians!

Everyone on the REGCHS of AFA knows that you have walked away from any holiness standards at all. We are wondering if clothing is even allowed there in that assembly?

(Boy that should get Randy Wayne going! He'll be ready to move to Texas)

See the island behind us? It is part of the resort we stayed at and did not permit cameras or camcorders. Everyone should figure out the reason for that. (And no, we did not go there. I had to draw the line somewhere after all! My curiosity was killing me though -but my wife had a brick hidden somewhere on her person at all times just in case it got the better of me.)

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Vacation%20Pictures/DSC02847.jpg

[Timmy]

Did they let cameras in here, at the Mirage? :D

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee225/arraywie/DSC_1845-2.jpg

No, not talking about the Dolphin Habitat or the garden!

[RandyWayne]

Well, they did in the Dolphin Habitat. lol

"Bare" was one wall behind one of the dolphin pools.

[Timmy]

Well, they did in the Dolphin Habitat. lol

"Bare" was one wall behind one of the dolphin pools.

Wasn't a glass wall, was it? ;)

[TJJJ]

I take it that BARE was one of the names of a dolphin, right?

[Timmy]

I take it that BARE was one of the names of a dolphin, right?

Or a misspelling of "bear"? :heeheehee

[mfblume]

Now Blume,

We can't take anything you say as serious because of your evident apostasy reflected by the growth on your upper and lower lips!:gotcha

We, the Respected Esteemed General Council of Holiness Standards of AFA, have concluded that since Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan, Moussilini, and Jack the Ripper all had moustaches that you must be in the same class of the afore mentioned villians!

Everyone on the REGCHS of AFA knows that you have walked away from any holiness standards at all. We are wondering if clothing is even allowed there in that assembly?

(Boy that should get Randy Wayne going! He'll be ready to move to Texas)

lolololol

Said in the voice of the chief Penguin of Madagascar... "Modesty, boys. Just good old modesty."

[ManOfWord]

See the island behind us? It is part of the resort we stayed at and did not permit cameras or camcorders. Everyone should figure out the reason for that. (And no, we did not go there. I had to draw the line somewhere after all! My curiosity was killing me though -but my wife had a brick hidden somewhere on her person at all times just in case it got the better of me.)

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Vacation%20Pictures/DSC02847.jpg

Where was that? In the Bahamas? I may have seen that island as well, from a fancy resort! :D

[RandyWayne]

It was the Couples Ils resort in Ochos Rios, Jamaica.

[Timmy]

Where was that? In the Bahamas? I may have seen that island as well, from a fancy resort! :D

With a nice telephoto lens? :toofunny

[ManOfWord]

It was the Couples Ils resort in Ochos Rios, Jamaica.


That's it! That's the place. I've been there. Our driver took us there just to see a very nice place. We were in the exact place where that picture was taken! Didn't see the island up close, though!! LOL

It's a small world!

[RandyWayne]

That's it! That's the place. I've been there. Our driver took us there just to see a very nice place. We were in the exact place where that picture was taken! Didn't see the island up close, though!! LOL

It's a small world!

Wow. So you WERE on the same beach, or at least the same balcony overlooking the beach from the resort entrance. LOL

I posted some of our Jamaica pics on another thread.

[Jermyn Davidson]

WOW!

1) I saved a copy of my initial post on this thread in an attempt to send it to the Pastor, but the only place to submit this was their public "Guestbook" and I felt it unwise and could be discouraging to some if I had posted my message there.


2) What's the deal with this racial barrier you discussed? Why would it be a barrier to anyone?

bump

[nahkoe]

bump

I don't think he's going to answer this.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I don't think he's going to answer this.

well he should....

I wish he would.


He ought to know by now that I am not the type to bite people's head off.

I do believe in open discourse-- open, honest discourse.

[Jermyn Davidson]

WOW!

1) I saved a copy of my initial post on this thread in an attempt to send it to the Pastor, but the only place to submit this was their public "Guestbook" and I felt it unwise and could be discouraging to some if I had posted my message there.


2) What's the deal with this racial barrier you discussed? Why would it be a barrier to anyone?



Bro. Alex, (or anyone else who wants to take a stab at this.)


bump

[GrowingPains]

I'm in agreement with modesty, and is isn't a bad guideline, (minus the spelling errors), but I don't think it should be on their website. That's something that could be shared in a teaching setting, passed on from an older woman to younger women, as the practical application of a biblical principle. And some explanation as to the whys and hows should accompany the teaching.

The fact that its only for women makes the church look sexist and demeaning toward women, the fact that it includes spelling errors makes them look uneducated, and the fact that its priority enough to show the general public before they even attend the church makes them look like Pharisees. (More concerned with appearances than the heart.)

It may be that none of those assumptions are true, but that is likely how it will appear to people who aren't familiar with church traditions.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Jermyn Davidson]

WOW!

1) I saved a copy of my initial post on this thread in an attempt to send it to the Pastor, but the only place to submit this was their public "Guestbook" and I felt it unwise and could be discouraging to some if I had posted my message there.


2) What's the deal with this racial barrier you discussed? Why would it be a barrier to anyone?


Bro. Alex,
(or anyone else who wants to take a stab at this.)



bump

[Sept5SavedTeen]

WOW! I feel like I am being harassed about this "racial" issue... The fact of the matter is that sometimes in black churches I can't seem to "relate" and this hinders my fellowship. I have no problem with inter-racial relations, I just keep seem to understand certain racial groups and they don't seem to understand me, but that doesn't mean we don't visit together from time to time...

-Bro. Alex

[nahkoe]

WOW! I feel like I am being harassed about this "racial" issue... The fact of the matter is that sometimes in black churches I can't seem to "relate" and this hinders my fellowship. I have no problem with inter-racial relations, I just keep seem to understand certain racial groups and they don't seem to understand me, but that doesn't mean we don't visit together from time to time...

-Bro. Alex

I was just curious. Feel harassed though if it makes you feel better. :D

There can be a culture gap and it can be daunting. I wondered if that's what you meant.

I'd really like to encourage you, if the opportunity presents itself, to see what you can do about getting across that gap. It's worth the effort it takes. And that's any cultural gap. I'm currently throwing myself into a regional cultural gap, the hard way. I moved here. It's sink or swim from now on. lol

[Sept5SavedTeen]

nahkoe,

Just look at page 12 of this discussion... we have almost all the posts, either "bumping" the question JD asked, and JD is doing the bumping, or you saying that I will not answer.

It's almost a childish poking, saying, "Answer the question, answer the question..."

It's foolish and childish and should not be done by JD or yourself.

I didn't have time to get to that post by JD, when I had time, I answered, but even if I didn't, "bump" once perhaps, or send a PM to get someone's attention, but nothing beyond that, it is rude.

-Bro. Alex

[nahkoe]

nahkoe,

Just look at page 12 of this discussion... we have almost all the posts, either "bumping" the question JD asked, and JD is doing the bumping, or you saying that I will not answer.

It's almost a childish poking, saying, "Answer the question, answer the question..."

It's foolish and childish and should not be done by JD or yourself.

I didn't have time to get to that post by JD, when I had time, I answered, but even if I didn't, "bump" once perhaps, or send a PM to get someone's attention, but nothing beyond that, it is rude.

-Bro. Alex

You know, you do have a way with words. I wasn't rude in this thread, if you take it that way that's really your problem.

I bumped it because I was curious what you meant.

I said I didn't think you were going to answer because I knew you'd had opportunity to see the thread and it had obviously been bumped often enough that it hadn't gotten lost. I said I didn't think you were going to answer it to indicate maybe it'd be best to stop bumping the thread and just let it be.

It's called tact. You might try finding some.

I also only have 3 pages of this thread because I view more per page than you do. It's best to indicate a post range vs a page number because you can change the setting that limits the number of posts per page.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I also only have 3 pages of this thread because I view more per page than you do.

Me, too. 40 posts per page. Saves lots of clicking time. :)

[nahkoe]

nahkoe,

Just look at page 12 of this discussion... we have almost all the posts, either "bumping" the question JD asked, and JD is doing the bumping, or you saying that I will not answer.

Ok, I looked back, because I was curious.

June 29th, 6:04 pm JD bumped his original question.
June 29th, 6:14 pm I posted my original comment.
June 30th, 1:05 pm you posted to someone else, assumption being you had opportunity to see the other two posts.
July 1st, 5:53 pm JD bumped again.
July 1st, 6:00 pm I said I didn't think you were going to answer.
July 1st, 6:10 pm JD responded to me.
July 1st, 6:11 pm JD bumped it again.
July 1st, 6:28 pm JD bumped it again.

That's 2 posts over 3 days from me. That's not rude or harassing. That's desiring clarification about something you said.

The statement you initially made surprised me. There were a multitude of ways it could have been taken. I was hoping it was a poor attempt to communicate what you did end up specifying.

If you have a problem with someone else, definitely don't address it to me.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

nakoe,

The fact of the matter is is that there were 5 or 6 posts which were of the "poking" nature...

Only one, or it might have been two of them were your posts, the rest were JD... perhaps that is worth acknowledging...

Now that we have everything acknowledged, and you've done your, "It's called [insert quality here], get [insert same quality here]"- thing, I will retire mostly from AFF for the next two or three days, since my family and I are going to the mountains for a few days, so my only portal to AFF will be my Blackberry, so I won't be saying much on AFF over the next few days.

-Bro. Alex

-Bro. Alex

[berkeley]

Wow! I remember when I used to speak like that.... before I dumbed down. LoL LoL

[nahkoe]

nakoe,

The fact of the matter is is that there were 5 or 6 posts which were of the "poking" nature...

Only one, or it might have been two of them were your posts, the rest were JD... perhaps that is worth acknowledging...

Now that we have everything acknowledged, and you've done your, "It's called [insert quality here], get [insert same quality here]"- thing, I will retire mostly from AFF for the next two or three days, since my family and I are going to the mountains for a few days, so my only portal to AFF will be my Blackberry, so I won't be saying much on AFF over the next few days.

-Bro. Alex

-Bro. Alex

Have a great time in the mountains!

[TJJJ]

Wow! I remember when I used to speak like that.... before I dumbed down. LoL LoL

Wow Bryan, you sure took on your new role very well!!! :ursofunny

Lord Bless

TJJJ

[Jermyn Davidson]

WOW! I feel like I am being harassed about this "racial" issue... The fact of the matter is that sometimes in black churches I can't seem to "relate" and this hinders my fellowship. I have no problem with inter-racial relations, I just keep seem to understand certain racial groups and they don't seem to understand me, but that doesn't mean we don't visit together from time to time...

-Bro. Alex

I paid you a compliment in a PM that was sent to me concerning my bumping of your message.


The fact is, there are MANY (I think) people who feel exactly as you do, Black and White, who never have the guts to express it.

I guess they are afraid of being labelled racist or something.


As I think most on here realize, I am not one for biting people's head off just because they say something. I was hoping to start a dialogue about what you typed.


I bumped it because you responded after my initial response, but you didn't respond to mine. So I bumped it....


After awhile, I began to think you were just going to avoid the statement.

Forgive me, for attempting to dig a little deeper.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Alex,

I didn't (intentionally) poke at you.... :)

I try to be careful about not be being disrespectful or insulting or anything like that.



For what it is worth, I apologize for letting my desire for discourse turn into something that offended you.

My lack of judgment has caused you discomfort and it was not my intention to display a lack of judgment or cause you discomfort.

[berkeley]

While we're visiting this issue, I will say:

I would have an issue with the culture divide. I am in south Texas and I am adjusting to my own culture. All I have ever known is white America. Or maybe it is all that I wanted to know. Most of my family is into the Mexican culture to some degree. Most of my "hispanic" friends should have been "white." Or maybe we are not complete sell-outs. Much of the issue probably has to do with where we were raised, the ( central ) San Joaquin Valley.

Alright, I said all that to say nothing, really. LoL

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Alex,

I didn't (intentionally) poke at you.... :)

I try to be careful about not be being disrespectful or insulting or anything like that.



For what it is worth, I apologize for letting my desire for discourse turn into something that offended you.

My lack of judgment has caused you discomfort and it was not my intention to display a lack of judgment or cause you discomfort.

[[[Extends hand out to Jermyn Davidson for a handshake and reconciliation]]]

-Bro. Alex

[Sept5SavedTeen]

While we're visiting this issue, I will say:

I would have an issue with the culture divide. I am in south Texas and I am adjusting to my own culture. All I have ever known is white America. Or maybe it is all that I wanted to know. Most of my family is into the Mexican culture to some degree. Most of my "hispanic" friends should have been "white." Or maybe we are not complete sell-outs. Much of the issue probably has to do with where we were raised, the ( central ) San Joaquin Valley.

Alright, I said all that to say nothing, really. LoL

What is a racial "sell out"? Someone who is Hispanic, perhaps, but doesn't act "Hispanic"?

-Bro. Alex

[berkeley]

What is a racial "sell out"? Someone who is Hispanic, perhaps, but doesn't act "Hispanic"?

-Bro. Alex
Growing up my family would say things like "you think you're white" and "you're a coconut". ( brown shell, white inside )
It is pretty pathetic seeing as how my family did nothing to help the situation. They did not teach me the language, and they did not teach me the culture.

I didn't help the situation, using words with more than five letters. LoL. And being monotone made it even worse... add pompous and arrogant. ( ahh, I'm revealing the real me, underneath the introversion )
and
* gasp *
He's a Republican! LoL

Anyway, the answer to your question is "yes."
And anyone who displays a modicum of class and education is also branded as a sellout. I believe that this applies also in tthe black community. The black equivalent to "coconut" is "oreo." Sad stuff, really.

Now, I wonder if this is problematic in the Anglo culture. What do ignorant "whites" think of the educated? They can't say "you think you're white!" LoL

[RandyWayne]

Growing up my family would say things like "you think you're white" and "you're a coconut". ( brown shell, white inside )
It is pretty pathetic seeing as how my family did nothing to help the situation. They did not teach me the language, and they did not teach me the culture.

I didn't help the situation, using words with more than five letters. LoL. And being monotone made it even worse... add pompous and arrogant. ( ahh, I'm revealing the real me, underneath the introversion )
and
* gasp *
He's a Republican! LoL

Anyway, the answer to your question is "yes."
And anyone who displays a modicum of class and education is also branded as a sellout. I believe that this applies also in tthe black community. The black equivalent to "coconut" is "oreo." Sad stuff, really.

Now, I wonder if this is problematic in the Anglo culture. What do ignorant "whites" think of the educated? They can't say "you think you're white!" LoL

If a sellout in the black community is an "Uncle Tom", then what is a sellout in the Mexican/Hispanic? An "Aunt Maria"?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Now, I wonder if this is problematic in the Anglo culture. What do ignorant "whites" think of the educated? They can't say "you think you're white!" LoL

Hoity-toity. Uppity. "Think you're better than everybody else!"

Also, "You're gettin' too big for your britches!" Or, "I remember you when.....", or "just don't forget where you came from!"

[berkeley]

If a sellout in the black community is an "Uncle Tom", then what is a sellout in the Mexican/Hispanic? An "Aunt Maria"?
I was joking with my boss when I said "you're a sellout to your people."
He corrected me "our people!"
"oh, right!" LoL

I've never heard that term. I'll ask about it tomorrow and update you.

[berkeley]

Hoity-toity. Uppity. "Think you're better than everybody else!"
Are you Caucasian? I think hispanics were classified as caucasian at one time.

Well, they can't say "you think you're black!" or "you act hispanic!" Maybe one day that will change. Don't know how probable, though. My recent observation is that ignorance is a bliss, be it white, black, brown, or yellow. People in general are plain stupid. Is that an over generalization?

[nahkoe]

Are you Caucasian? I think hispanics were classified as caucasian at one time.

Well, they can't say "you think you're black!" or "you act hispanic!" Maybe one day that will change. Don't know how probable, though. My recent observation is that ignorance is a bliss, be it white, black, brown, or yellow. People in general are plain stupid. Is that an over generalization?

No. I would say it's not.

Are you still working fast food?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Are you Caucasian? I think hispanics were classified as caucasian at one time.

Well, they can't say "you think you're black!" or "you act hispanic!" Maybe one day that will change. Don't know how probable, though. My recent observation is that ignorance is a bliss, be it white, black, brown, or yellow. People in general are plain stupid. Is that an over generalization?
Yes, I'm white/caucasian.

[Hoovie]

Growing up my family would say things like "you think you're white" and "you're a coconut". ( brown shell, white inside )
It is pretty pathetic seeing as how my family did nothing to help the situation. They did not teach me the language, and they did not teach me the culture.

I didn't help the situation, using words with more than five letters. LoL. And being monotone made it even worse... add pompous and arrogant. ( ahh, I'm revealing the real me, underneath the introversion )
and
* gasp *
He's a Republican! LoL

Anyway, the answer to your question is "yes."
And anyone who displays a modicum of class and education is also branded as a sellout. I believe that this applies also in tthe black community. The black equivalent to "coconut" is "oreo." Sad stuff, really.

Now, I wonder if this is problematic in the Anglo culture. What do ignorant "whites" think of the educated? They can't say "you think you're white!" LoL

In rural areas it would be a ________ City Slicker!!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Is that an over generalization?

Many times, unfortunately, no.

But I love them anyway.

[Jermyn Davidson]

No. I would say it's not.

Are you still working fast food?

Was this supposed to be funny????!!!!


This is AWESOME!!!!


:)


My jokes are never that witty!

[Jermyn Davidson]

While we're visiting this issue, I will say:

I would have an issue with the culture divide. I am in south Texas and I am adjusting to my own culture. All I have ever known is white America. Or maybe it is all that I wanted to know. Most of my family is into the Mexican culture to some degree. Most of my "hispanic" friends should have been "white." Or maybe we are not complete sell-outs. Much of the issue probably has to do with where we were raised, the ( central ) San Joaquin Valley.

Alright, I said all that to say nothing, really. LoL



Bryan,

I visited a predominately Black church this Sunday morning for services and I felt out of place. :)

For real!

Maybe I'm racist....

[GrowingPains]

Bryan,

I visited a predominately Black church this Sunday morning for services and I felt out of place. :)

For real!

Maybe I'm racist....

You're likely not a racists, but definitely culturally conditioned. It's too bad we would feel out of place with people different than us. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen or shouldn't happen... just it's too bad.

[freeatlast]

You're likely not a racists, but definitely culturally conditioned. It's too bad we would feel out of place with people different than us. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen or shouldn't happen... just it's too bad.

Last "black church" I went to started a half hour late, lasted for hours and concluded with a "tarryin service"

The tarrying freaked me out as several prayed hard and long till frothy white slobber was running down their chins.

I love the folks there but did feel a bit culturly out of place.

[GrowingPains]

Last "black church" I went to started a half hour late, lasted for hours and concluded with a "tarryin service"

The tarrying freaked me out as several prayed hard and long till frothy white slobber was running down their chins.

I love the folks there but did feel a bit culturly out of place.

I'd chalk half of this up to cultural differences and the other half up to some doctrinal differences, which may/may not be reconciled.

[nahkoe]

Was this supposed to be funny????!!!!


This is AWESOME!!!!


:)


My jokes are never that witty!

And most people just miss my humor all together.

Yes, that was supposed to be funny. In a very dry, multi-layered sort of way. lol

[nahkoe]

Bryan,

I visited a predominately Black church this Sunday morning for services and I felt out of place. :)

For real!

Maybe I'm racist....

Now this is just flat out funny. lol

[MissBrattified]

Last "black church" I went to started a half hour late, lasted for hours and concluded with a "tarryin service"

The tarrying freaked me out as several prayed hard and long till frothy white slobber was running down their chins.

I love the folks there but did feel a bit culturly out of place.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but foaming at the mouth is not a racially specific behavior. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a service with one of those preachers who gets the white spit on the corners of his mouth--and no matter how hard I try, I CAN'T LOOK AWAY!!!!! :vomit

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Has no one ever informed these men that they can carry a handkerchief to wipe away the spit????? :foottap

[Jermyn Davidson]

You're likely not a racists, but definitely culturally conditioned. It's too bad we would feel out of place with people different than us. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen or shouldn't happen... just it's too bad.

I don't know man, I just felt so out of place there....


I could try to explain it, but would it matter?

[Jermyn Davidson]

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but foaming at the mouth is not a racially specific behavior. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a service with one of those preachers who gets the white spit on the corners of his mouth--and no matter how hard I try, I CAN'T LOOK AWAY!!!!! :vomit

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Has no one ever informed these men that they can carry a handkerchief to wipe away the spit????? :foottap



Maybe if they had visited more Black churches, maybe they'd know that needs to be in their upper left lacket pocket specifically for those spititual and foamy moments....

:)