Singing for Rex Johnson this Sunday so stoked!!

[Sandra]

My schedule for the next few days:

Singing in Miami tonight Trinity Church......

4th of July TBN (holy land experience) Orlando.....

This Sunday July 5th My FAV. preacher Rex Johnson... Christian Life Church Austin ..TX... all 3 services..8: 00am ..9:45 am & 11:30am... be there !!!

[GrowingPains]

Any of this live online? Broadcasted?

[Sandra]

I'm not sure.. you can go on my website ..it should have a link to Rex Johnsons church
www.vickiyohe.org

[Sandra]

BTW.. rex johnson has always been my favorite preacher.. so happy he has invited me . I will go just as I am : ) Thats exciting.. go bro johnson : )

[Scott Hutchinson]

Good deal,I hope the grace of God is magnified in these meetings.

[TJJJ]

Who's Rex Johnson?

[RandyWayne]

I remember him preaching at the Wisconsin family camp in the mid 80's.

[Sandra]

Who's Rex Johnson?

he's me fav .preacher : )

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here you go.
http://clcaustin.com/

[Narrow Is The Way]

Who's Rex Johnson? Rex Johnson is a joke and so is the singer that is going to sing for him. Both backslid.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I didn't know God had a user i.d. here. :)

[ThePastorsCoach]

Rex Johnson is a joke and so is the singer that is going to sing for him. Both backslid.

You are so "narrow" that you are a pitiful excuse for a CHRISTIAN! There is no excuse to say harsh things and judge peoples heart and motives. Who are YOU to judge who is "backslid"? You are not in authority here and can't even SEE the Kingdom! You need to be BORN AGAIN and get a new BRAIN!

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Rex Johnson is a joke and so is the singer that is going to sing for him. Both backslid.

Perhaps, although we may think these things, we might not want to say them... Just like I don't go into the xmas threads and post anti-xmas things, since I don't celebrate xmas... Sandra wasn't creating a thread for discussion or debate, she was creating a thread to tell of an event, and those interested wrote a few things. To talk about whether Sandra or Rex Johnson is backslid is sort of out of place, wouldn't you agree brother?

-Bro. Alex

[ThePastorsCoach]

I love Rex Johnson and Sandra too and cannot think of any reason why people would write things like that! There are people that have done me wrong that I don't care for at all - but would NEVER write on a public forum something hurtful or derogatory about them. Some people just need to get saved and get a brain! Such midget mentality! SAD!

[Truthseeker]

Well, it does give suspicion what R. Johnson really believes.

[TJJJ]

Whoa....

My questioning of who Rex Johnson was is in no way speaking disparingly of either him or the author of this thread, Sandra. That was written with no animosity at all. I like giving Texans a hard time, but in good humor and in Christian love only.

I have nothing to do with any posts after mine!

TJJJ

[CC1]

Narrow Is The Brain must have a very unique sense of humor if he thinks Rex Johnson is "a joke".

RJ is a wonderful man of God who is doing a great job reaching his community for Christ.

If RJ is a joke then we could use a lot more jokes in Pentecost!

[RandyWayne]

I barely remember him from when he visited Central WI in the early 80's but I imagine he's changed quite a bit since then.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Sure throw stones,has anybody went through a tragedy like what Elder Johnson went through ?
You should read his book.
http://palmandwillowpress.com/

[Scott Hutchinson]

If Elder Johnson is a joke like someone implied,then why i he speaking at conferences like Impact at Wooodlawn UPC ?
http://www.woodlawnchurch.cc/index.html

[On The Wheel]

Rex Johnson is a joke and so is the singer that is going to sing for him. Both backslid.


Based upon what? You can't know the condition of the heart. You probably haven't even examined the fruit of the people in question. However, judging from your caustic, foul, rotten spirited assessment based upon nothing, I would guess that the fruit of either life may far outweigh the fruit someone such as yourself might produce.

And just so you know, fruit is not works. It is results. It's not what is on the outside, but what emenates from within. It is not what we do, but who we are.

Sorry.

[tv1a]

I wouldn't even call narrow a christian.

You are so "narrow" that you are a pitiful excuse for a CHRISTIAN! There is no excuse to say harsh things and judge peoples heart and motives. Who are YOU to judge who is "backslid"? You are not in authority here and can't even SEE the Kingdom! You need to be BORN AGAIN and get a new BRAIN!

[tv1a]

It's been a long time since I got to use the word assinine in a sentence. Thnx N I T W(it).

A person such as yourself into you neck in witchcraft has no right to make inflammatory comments about RJ and Sandra.

Rex Johnson is a joke and so is the singer that is going to sing for him. Both backslid.

[Sandra]

lol...: )

[Timmy]

I wouldn't even call narrow a christian.

Cuz he called someone backslid? (I.e., not a Christian?) :hmmm

[Timmy]

lol...: )

You're alright, Sandra! :thumbsup

(Us backsliders gotta stick together. :ursofunny)

[Sister Alvear]

:gotcha

...and those that judge are what???

Judge Sandra and shout at church to songs written by 3 god people...my ...my...

While Sandra and I may be different why say such hard things??? Long sleeves and long tongues...lol...

Be careful....when judging...

Hank Williams
Be Careful of Stones you Throw Lyrics:
A tongue can accuse or carry bad news;
The seeds of distrust it will sow.
So unless you have made no mistakes in your life,
Be careful of stones that you throw.
A neighbor was passing my garden one time;
She smiled and I knew right away
That it was gossip not flowers that she had on her mind,
And this is what I heard my neighbor say:

"That bad girl down the street, she
should be run from our midst.
She drinks and she talks quite a lot.
She knows not to speak to my child nor to me."
My neighbor then smiled, and I thought . . .


A tongue can accuse or carry bad news;
The seeds of distrust it will sow.
So unless you have made no mistakes in your life,
Be careful of stones that you throw.

The car speeded by, the screaming of brakes
A sound that made my blood chill,
For my neighbor's one child had been pulled from the path
And saved by a girl lying still.

Her child was unhurt and my neighbor cried out,
"Oh, who is that brave girl so sweet?"
I covered the crushed, broken body and said,
"That bad girl down the street."

A tongue can accuse or carry bad news;
The seeds of distrust it will sow.
So unless you have made no mistakes in your life,
Be careful of stones that you throw.


Hank Williams


and please understand I am in no way belittling standards...live whatever you feel is right...

[Sister Alvear]

Some of the very people we would put into hell are often the very people that would run to help us...I have found praying works much better than judging.

[Sister Alvear]

and we sure don't judge Timmy...Paul set him free... ha....

[Timmy]

and we sure don't judge Timmy...Paul set him free... ha....

:ursofunny

[Scott Hutchinson]

Being overlyharsh will come back to haunt you ,I was harsh and judgemental on someone's child once it came back to haunt me.

Be soft with your words,make them sweet lest you eat them.

[RevDWW]

Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.......Jesus

[Melody]

Sandra is vicki yohe?

narrow's view might be this, backslid from the way she started out? *guessing here* and might be that others that are no longer in *the way* here, would have said the same thing when they were *in the way*?

but interesting enough why do UPC churches have none UPC individuals in their pulpits and platforms? and not just someone *sorry not spotlighting VY* but who doesn't have the (look) but alot of times it is someone who doesn't even believe the oneness.

*thinking* might should have taken that to an entirely different thread

[On The Wheel]

Rex Johnson is a joke and so is the singer that is going to sing for him. Both backslid.

A drive by poster! Same juvenile mentality as a drive by shooter.

Bitter and angry, both just shoot mindlessly and never stick around to answer for their actions.

Both should probably pray through.

[Hoovie]

Sandra is vicki yohe?

narrow's view might be this, backslid from the way she started out? *guessing here* and might be that others that are no longer in *the way* here, would have said the same thing when they were *in the way*?

but interesting enough why do UPC churches have none UPC individuals in their pulpits and platforms? and not just someone *sorry not spotlighting VY* but who doesn't have the (look) but alot of times it is someone who doesn't even believe the oneness.

*thinking* might should have taken that to an entirely different thread

Melody, not everyone in the UPC is afraid of diverse points of view. Nor does everyone believe all must be Oneness Pentecostal (much less UPC) to be saved.

[Sister Alvear]

I just think we should not run down people...I know who Sandra is and I think we should be kind and after we have exceded what she is doing maybe we could sit down and exchange opinions...
I am a old timer however I have learned a lot of things we boast about have a way of coming back home...and the story changes when it is our family...so if you cannot say something kind then learn not to say anything at all...a fool is known by his mulitude of words...

[Sandra]

: )

[Sister Alvear]

those pictures are so sweet...thank you for having such a heart to help children.

[MissBrattified]

Sandra is vicki yohe?

narrow's view might be this, backslid from the way she started out? *guessing here* and might be that others that are no longer in *the way* here, would have said the same thing when they were *in the way*?

but interesting enough why do UPC churches have none UPC individuals in their pulpits and platforms? and not just someone *sorry not spotlighting VY* but who doesn't have the (look) but alot of times it is someone who doesn't even believe the oneness.

This is actually a very good question--one I haven't thought about. Why is that? Why have non-UPC people in to preach, teach, sing, do seminars, etc., but NOT people who used to be UPC, who look exactly the same as the formerly mentioned non-UPC people? (But in most cases the latter are closer to the UPC core doctrines.) :coffee2

[Stephanas]

Back in Austin on the 15th.

This time at Pastor Phillips' Promiseland.

The bars are coming down; the barriers are falling; Is there an amalgamation of congregations in the future?

http://www.promiselandchurch.net/images/stories/promiseland/main/main_09-0715_vickiyohe.jpg

[Dora]

COOL! Wish I could be there! Love and hugs to you, Sandra! Rock the House for JESUS!

Dora

[Steve Epley]

Sandra was a NO show.

[Sister Alvear]

We humans (me included) are so apt to judge by what our eyes see...sometimes heaven might be nearer our grasp if we were blind! The other day someone run a picture off and gave it to me of a group of preachers that have tried to destroy us and there sat someone that has played both sides and I felt such an anger for a moment...Then I feel to my knees and asked God to forgive my human reaction of anger...I have a hard time with those that holier outward holiness and are killers, liars and all kinds of things under their long sleeves...
Please forgive me for being so human...

While we that what is termed here as those who observe outward standards are apt to judge Vicki the JUDGE of the EARTH will JUDGE US ALL...

[Sister Alvear]

I think I may be talking in circles however what I am trying to say BE sure the inside is clean...

[CC1]

Back in Austin on the 15th.

This time at Pastor Phillips' Promiseland.

The bars are coming down; the barriers are falling; Is there an amalgamation of congregations in the future?

http://www.promiselandchurch.net/images/stories/promiseland/main/main_09-0715_vickiyohe.jpg

No bars had to come down for Sandra to sing at Promiseland Church in Austin. Kenneth Phillips has had non UPC & non Oneness singers at his church for over 25 years. Also occasionally trinny preachers. It never affected his preaching of the Oneness message and Acts 2:38.

[CC1]

Melody, not everyone in the UPC is afraid of diverse points of view. Nor does everyone believe all must be Oneness Pentecostal (much less UPC) to be saved.

Eureka,

Surely you will admit that the view you epxressed above is very much a minority view within the UPC?

I believe there are very few UPC members and even less percentage UPC preachers who believe non Oneness people are saved. Most don't even believe Oneness people who don't live the clothesline legaism are saved.

You are just a rebel on the fringe!

[Sister Alvear]

There are a lot of things we all struggle with...what may seem a little hill to me may be a Calvary to someone else...
I am just a plain simple person...I went to the dinner at the Baptist church with my sister when her husband passed away and one of the members told my sister she enjoyed talking to her Amish sister, meaning me...lol...
Yet I know people that stuggle with dress, hair, and other things...I just put on a black skirt and a white blouse and I am ready to go...yet there are those that their nature is different than mine and they would feel horrible dressed like I do...they have to have purses to match, shoes to match, ribbions, hairbows, flowers and all kinds of things...

I have one purse and I am fine...when it wears out I will get another one...ha...

When I went to AMC conference a few years ago myj oldest son took several bags of clothes to the hotel room...He said mother this is for you not to feel out of place...lol...

I don't like all that stuff...but my daughter in law does...It would bother me to spend a lot of money on clothes and FOR ME I would feel that I had sinned...however that is only JANICE ALVEAR not BIBLE...

[*AQuietPlace*]

I so appreciate your spirit, Sis. Alvear.

[Sister Alvear]

I will never forget a message KP preached about souls at an ALJC conference many years ago...
In many dark hours of my life on the mission field I have thought of that message...it has helped me...and no I do not personally know him...so please do not say I am taking up for a friend...I just know something he preached stayed in my heart and has helped me face trials and stand firm...

[Stephanas]

Back in Austin on the 15th.

This time at Pastor Phillips' Promiseland.

The bars are coming down; the barriers are falling; Is there an amalgamation of congregations in the future?

http://www.promiselandchurch.net/images/stories/promiseland/main/main_09-0715_vickiyohe.jpg

It occurred to me that this picture should be removed to protect Sandra's online identity.

My apologies.

It's not a bad thing that as prominent a UPC pastor as RJ is acknowledging that Bro. Phillips was right all along. He was just a bit ahead of his time.

[Sandra]

Sandra was a NO show.

lol...no, it was crazy.. in that nice hotel I had no lines on my phone, I got your message like a day late. I was bored would of loved to have eaten lunch : ( So sorry !

[CC1]

I will never forget a message KP preached about souls at an ALJC conference many years ago...
In many dark hours of my life on the mission field I have thought of that message...it has helped me...and no I do not personally know him...so please do not say I am taking up for a friend...I just know something he preached stayed in my heart and has helped me face trials and stand firm...

I believe the UPC produced no better evangelist than KP. It is almost a shame he remained a pastor as I believe his best calling was preaching to lost souls and to the church about reaching lost souls.

[Sister Alvear]

I so appreciate your spirit, Sis. Alvear.
Thank you...above all and through all I just want to be right...I have failed so many times and am thankful for HIS grace and mercy...


I don't agree with a lot of things B. Mannings wrote inThe Ragamuffin Gospel
but sometimes that is what we all are...a Ragamuffin!

If it were not for HIS Gace and mercy...where would we all be?

[Sister Alvear]

your Grace And Mercy, Brought Me Through
i'm Living This Moment Because Of You
i Want To Thank You, And Praise You Too
your Grace And Mercy, Brought Me Through

thank You, For Saving A Sinner Like Me
to Tell The World Salvation Is Free
there Were Times When I Just Didnt Do Right
but You Watched Over Me
all Day And Night



justice Demanded, That I Should Die
but Grace And Mercy Said Oh, No, Oh, No, Oh No, We've Already Paid The Price
i Once Was Blind, But Thank God I Can See
it Was Because Grace And Mercy Came Along And Rescued Me

your Grace And Mercy Brought Me Through
i'm Living This Moment Because Of You
i Want To Thank You And Praise You Too
your Grace And Mercy
your Grace And Mercy
your Grace And Mercy
brought Me Through


(sorry I cannot remember the author)

[Steve Epley]

lol...no, it was crazy.. in that nice hotel I had no lines on my phone, I got your message like a day late. I was bored would of loved to have eaten lunch : ( So sorry !

Excuses-excuses. The lib stood the cons up.:thumbsup I realize you was busy.I saw in the Paper you was at Trinity was that planned you didn't mention it?

[Sister Alvear]

I am hungry anhyone want to take me to lunch????ha.... libs... cons... whatever ...we all have to eat!

[Hoovie]

Eureka,

Surely you will admit that the view you epxressed above is very much a minority view within the UPC?

I believe there are very few UPC members and even less percentage UPC preachers who believe non Oneness people are saved. Most don't even believe Oneness people who don't live the clothesline legaism are saved.

You are just a rebel on the fringe!


No I am not ready to concede that.

I do know the definitions have tightened and changes have even been made to the UPC Articles of Faith. There has been increased effort by some to make ministers and members alike believe the body is comprised of only Oneness Pentecostals.

Yet, I don't think most UPC members and ministers alike believe the local AOG is hellbound. Perhaps they reconcile it in their mind with a "light" doctrine or other "levels of heaven" doctrine to keep the OP language in tact.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I think you would be surprised, Stephen. The majority of OPs truly do believe that we are the only ones who will make it to heaven. We have 'the truth', everyone else is in false doctrine, and do not serve the same God we serve.

[Hoovie]

I think you would be surprised, Stephen. The majority of OPs truly do believe that we are the only ones who will make it to heaven. We have 'the truth', everyone else is in false doctrine, and do not serve the same God we serve.

Here what I have been surprised at. The same people who toe the line in the pulpit (or other official capacity) and will give official stance will very often make room and show much greater tolerance in a heart to heart conversation. I have experienced it many times.

There is a very real fear of appearing to be "soft on the doctrine". It is a balancing act for many - but one they seldom express in official capacity. It's much safer to mimic "the doctrine".

[Steve Epley]

I think you would be surprised, Stephen. The majority of OPs truly do believe that we are the only ones who will make it to heaven. We have 'the truth', everyone else is in false doctrine, and do not serve the same God we serve.

Everyone who has not obeyed Acts 2:38 is lost.
Truth is:
12 inches is a foot to Baptist and Pentecostals
16 ozs is a pound to Catholics and Pentecostals
3 feet are a yard to meat is not greasy libs and cons.

The only way for men to be saved from Pentecost until present is obeying Acts 2:38 that is truth everything else is a lie.:thumbsup:thumbsup

[RevDWW]

Everyone who has not obeyed Acts 2:38 is lost.
Truth is:
12 inches is a foot to Baptist and Pentecostals
16 ozs is a pound to Catholics and Pentecostals
3 feet are a yard to meat is not greasy libs and cons.

The only way for men to be saved from Pentecost until present is obeying Acts 2:38 that is truth everything else is a lie.:thumbsup:thumbsup

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

[Hoovie]

This is a copy of my post in Melody's "s. hoover" thread - since that thread was spawned by this one.

One Lord, One Faith and One Baptism - I affirm. That does not mean there is no diversity in how we experience Christ.

It is no secret that Oneness Pentecostals have differing views as do Trinitarians. We know this, yet we also know none of us has it ALL right. It is nothing less than our faith in Christ that covers our sins - including some less than perfect theologies.

God knows the condition of all humanity's hearts. He knows who is in Christ and who is simply an impostor. It is not often that easy for us - be they Oneness or otherwise.

As to salvation, and who will be spared damnation, I find it refreshing that many OP's have become more accepting of their fellow Christians. In many respects this is simply returning to the "Old Paths". Our Oneness Pentecostal tradition had lots of room for tolerance on the issue and many ways of expressing the same. While the UPC many indeed have narrowed it's definitions a bit, I do not believe things are much different in practice now.

Here are some interesting statements and quotes not given much press in the last few decades. It helps put things in perspective and gives confidence to those seeking out those "Old Paths".

Many have held that the "Bride of Christ" was something “separate and special."

Howard Goss the first UPC General Superintendent believed in the "light" doctrine, and stated "I have not and do not teach that a person will go to hell if he has not been baptized with the Holy Spirit"

W T Witherspoon assistant General Superintendent of the UPC wrote "they that have not been taught concerning the Bible New Birth but have thoroughly repented and lived what they know of the Christian life will be on the right hand at the white throned Judgment..." and will be "Delegated to the Kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world".

G T Haywood Taught there were "levels of status in the Kingdom of God".

S G Norris taught the Holy, Righteous, and Wicked" the "Righteous" were to inhabit the new earth.

Ralph Reynolds made a distinction between those who were "begotten" and those who were "born again."

Frank Ewart wrote about parting with his dear friend when the Oneness camp left the AG. "But despite all these things our love for each other survived, and this divine love will be renewed in glory where we will all see eye to eye and doctrinal differences will never again intrude."

It is also interesting to note that in 1995 the UPC changed their articles of faith from "repentance and conversion" to simply "repentance". There was debate by some that repentance alone was not "conversion" and the 50 year document needed to be amended. Sad.

[Sister Alvear]

very interesting...and rest assured humans will always have dozens of opinions...

[giftofgrace]

Wow... I wonder if there's any UPC churches who still believe the old way ?

[Sister Alvear]

yes, there are many.

[Sister Alvear]

and no I am not UPC..

[giftofgrace]

The ultra conservatives are calling their way "the old way" now..I know I used to be one not that long ago, I wonder how many of them have seen these old articles of faith

[Sister Alvear]

probably not many.

[Hoovie]

very interesting...and rest assured humans will always have dozens of opinions...

Right indeed. It is precisely because of this that we need to tread lightly when judging other Christians.

We can preach our distinct understanding of the gospel without demeaning or belittling the experience of other Christians who have studied and reached different conclusions.

In spite of my tolerant and inclusive views of the body of Christ, I have no doubt the blood of Jesus can cover the the sin of arrogance, exclusion and high mindedness.

I need Him as much as anyone.

[Hoovie]

Wow... I wonder if there's any UPC churches who still believe the old way ?

The ultra conservatives are calling their way "the old way" now..I know I used to be one not that long ago, I wonder how many of them have seen these old articles of faith

Excellent point. See post # 62

[*AQuietPlace*]

Right indeed. It is precisely because of this that we need to tread lightly when judging other Christians.

We can preach our distinct understanding of the gospel without demeaning or belittling the experience of other Christians who have studied and reached different conclusions.

In spite of my tolerant and inclusive views of the body of Christ, I have no doubt the blood of Jesus can cover the the sin of arrogance, exclusion and high mindedness.

I need Him as much as anyone.
Unfortunately, many don't even consider non-OPs Christians. Hence the phrases "claims to be a Christian" /"so-called Christian".

[Hoovie]

Unfortunately, many don't even consider non-OPs Christians. Hence the phrases "claims to be a Christian" /"so-called Christian".

It would is hard for me to post my true feelings about such statements on this forum. It is an idiotic cheap shot at least, and in my opinion a very egregious sin.

As I stated, God can forgive them even as he does me.

[Timmy]

It would is hard for me to post my true feelings about such statements on this forum. It is an idiotic cheap shot at least, and in my opinion a very egregious sin.

As I stated, God can forgive them even as he does me.

But maybe they're right? :hmmm

[Melody]

thanks for your opinion and thoughts, started the other thread as to not take over Sandra's elated post about her weekend

[Hoovie]

thanks for your opinion and thoughts, started the other thread as to not take over Sandra's elated post about her weekend

Right. Sorry we did not all follow your lead!

Back on topic -

Sandra, I hope you have a fabulous weekend!

[*AQuietPlace*]

It would is hard for me to post my true feelings about such statements on this forum. It is an idiotic cheap shot at least, and in my opinion a very egregious sin.

As I stated, God can forgive them even as he does me.
Do you mean my statement (post), or if someone made the statements I mentioned?

I've heard those statements all of my life, frequently.

[Hoovie]

Do you mean my statement (post), or if someone made the statements I mentioned?

I've heard those statements all of my life, frequently.

Not yours, but those type of statements you mentioned... sorry I was not clear.

Unfortunately, I can't say I have not been exposed to the same, though less now. I think we should take every opportunity to speak against the harsh rhetoric.

If my fellow Christians who are non-Trinitarian are only "so-called" then they are agents of satan, and far more deceived than the non-Christian religions.

My feelings are there are only a few that really believe that.

I have heard the argument that it's better to be safe than sorry - that OP simply go further than the mainstream. That's OK as long as we leave the possibility open that we ourselves may be wrong, and treat other Christians with the respect and tolerance that we ourselves desire.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I hope you are right. So far, I'm still not seeing much of a shift. "Trinitarians are not my brother!" is the mantra I still hear often.

Most of the ire seems to be against the trinitarian preachers, though, not the saints. The preachers are the ones preaching false doctrine.

In my circle, one of the worst things you can do for your OP reputation is confess that you think trinitarians might possibly make it to heaven.

[giftofgrace]

I hope you are right. So far, I'm still not seeing much of a shift. "Trinitarians are not my brother!" is the mantra I still hear often.

Most of the ire seems to be against the trinitarian preachers, though, not the saints. The preachers are the ones preaching false doctrine.

In my circle, one of the worst things you can do for your OP reputation is confess that you think trinitarians might possibly make it to heaven.

So in your church are you the only or one of the only ones who are more open?

[*AQuietPlace*]

So in your church are you the only or one of the only ones who are more open?
It's not something I really discuss with people. :) I attend a pretty conservative church, and my views are pretty liberal, so I tend to keep my opinions to myself. ;)

I do know that our pastor is softening his views somewhat. He recently said (in a private conversation) that he would never again say 'trinitarians are not my brother'. He also said that we need to be careful to not assume that all trinitarians believe in three GODS.

[RandyWayne]

It's not something I really discuss with people. :) I attend a pretty conservative church, and my views are pretty liberal, so I tend to keep my opinions to myself. ;)

I do know that our pastor is softening his views somewhat. He recently said (in a private conversation) that he would never again say 'trinitarians are not my brother'. He also said that we need to be careful to not assume that all trinitarians believe in three GODS.

Not "all"? LOL

I think most people will agree with me that very FEW trinitarians actually believe in more then ONE God.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Not "all"? LOL

I think most people will agree with me that very FEW trinitarians actually believe in more then ONE God.
That's been my experience, from the ones I've talked to.

[OnTheFritz]

But maybe they're right? :hmmm

Playing devil's advocate again, Timmy...? :spit

[Hoovie]

Not "all"? LOL

I think most people will agree with me that very FEW trinitarians actually believe in more then ONE God.

Yep. Those accusations are even made here on AFF, but when pressed for a statement of faith by such a group no one can produce it. Not to mention that if one did believe in three God's they could not, by definition be Trinitarian.

[Hoovie]

It's not something I really discuss with people. :) I attend a pretty conservative church, and my views are pretty liberal, so I tend to keep my opinions to myself. ;)

I do know that our pastor is softening his views somewhat. He recently said (in a private conversation) that he would never again say 'trinitarians are not my brother'. He also said that we need to be careful to not assume that all trinitarians believe in three GODS.

Here is an example folks. Both saint and pastor of a "pretty conservative church" - really do not discuss these issues, but both are softer than perceived when discussing in private conversation.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Here is an example folks. Both saint and pastor of a "pretty conservative church" - really do not discuss these issues, but both are softer than perceived when discussing in private conversation.
True, but I've also had plenty of conversations with people who absolutely do NOT think there's an ice cube's chance in the hot place that a trinitarian will be saved.

Including some signature lines on AFF. ;)

[Timmy]

Playing devil's advocate again, Timmy...? :spit

:heeheehee

[Sister Alvear]

:airplane

You people keep Timmy so busy!

[Sandra]

all I can say is Rex Johnsons church rocks..loved singing there!!

[Hoovie]

I guess the service can't be viewed online for our enjoyment, judgement or criticism?

[rgcraig]

I guess the service can't be viewed online for our enjoyment, judgement or criticism?

Doesn't look like they have webcasts of their services.

http://clcaustin.com/

[rgcraig]

Sandra,

Did you met Randy Davenport? His dad was our MM when I was growing up in J'bur - I knew him as a wild little boy! Very talented guy!

He's Michael Phelps nephew too!

[smurfette]

all I can say is Rex Johnsons church rocks..loved singing there!!

You did an awesome job! I enjoyed it. You are funny also! Thanks for coming and blessing CLC.:thumbsup

[Sandra]

Sandra,

Did you met Randy Davenport? His dad was our MM when I was growing up in J'bur - I knew him as a wild little boy! Very talented guy!

He's Michael Phelps nephew too!

Not that I know of.. that name doesn't ring a bell : (

[Sandra]

You did an awesome job! I enjoyed it. You are funny also! Thanks for coming and blessing CLC.:thumbsup

Thanks... I had a wonderful time there in all 3 services!

[rgcraig]

Not that I know of.. that name doesn't ring a bell : (

I'm surprised since he's the MM for Rex.

He might have been out of town.

[Sandra]

I'm surprised since he's the MM for Rex.

He might have been out of town.

the music director told me he was from michigan?? can't remember his name

[rgcraig]

the music director told me he was from michigan?? can't remember his name

That's him.

[Barb]

Sandra,

Did you met Randy Davenport? His dad was our MM when I was growing up in J'bur - I knew him as a wild little boy! Very talented guy!

He's Michael Phelps nephew too!

the music director told me he was from michigan?? can't remember his name

That's him.

I 'knew' his mom and dad back in the day when they were in Michigan...'knew' as in, they were older and I knew who they were.

[rgcraig]

I 'knew' his mom and dad back in the day when they were in Michigan...'knew' as in, they were older and I knew who they were.
Older....I don't think so. They are probably around your age - - Michael P could verify.

[Barb]

Older....I don't think so. They are probably around your age - - Michael P could verify.

How old dost thou think I am?!

No seriously, I think they are a few years older than I...than me...whatever...

[rgcraig]

How old dost thou think I am?!

No seriously, I think they are a few years older than I...than me...whatever...

You are a bit older than me I know - lol!

I'd say they are in their early 60's, so to me that's not THAT much older than me now - - lol!

I was a older teen when they were at my church and I'm sure they were in their late 20's early 30's then.

[Barb]

You are a bit older than me I know - lol!

I'd say they are in their early 60's, so to me that's not THAT much older than me now - - lol!

I was a older teen when they were at my church and I'm sure they were in their late 20's early 30's then.

Yes I am a bit older than you...:thumbsup

And in their 60s sounds about right to me, which would place them at least 5 or more years older.