On Rush Being Dropped from Ram's Bid

[Pressing-On]

Here are two quotes attributed to Limbaugh in a 2006 book, "101 People Who Are Really Screwing America," by Jack Huberman.

* "You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray (Dr. King's assassin). We miss you, James. Godspeed."

* "Let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

Drew Sharp repeated the accusation that Rush said those awful things on Bill O'Reilly Monday night.

Mark Steyn noted that when he began to fill in for Rush on his radio show, he was stunned to learn that George Soros pays a number of stenographers to transcribe every single word Rush or any of his guests hosts say, hoping to hit pay dirt and destroy Rush's career. If those fake quotes that Sharp attributed to Rush actually existed, Soros would have jumped on them immediately. There would be audio that proved it. They don't exist, and the reporters and news outlets who reported them that Rush said them without audio or a transcript to prove it should be sued.

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/10/14/on-rush-being-dropped-from-the-checketts-bid-for-the-rams.php

I hope Rush does sue!

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well,'' Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
http://espn.go.com/gen/news/2003/1001/1628537.html

Is this considered a racist comment?

Some don't think so.

Rush Limbaugh Was Right

If Limbaugh were a more astute analyst, he would have been even harsher and said, "Donovan McNabb is barely a mediocre quarterback." But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts have been saying privately for the past couple of seasons.

McNabb has started for the Eagles since the 2000 season. In that time, the Eagles offense has never ranked higher than 10th in the league in yards gained. In fact, their 10th-place rank in 2002 was easily their best; in their two previous seasons, they were 17th in a 32-team league. They rank 31st so far in 2003.

In contrast, the Eagles defense in those four seasons has never ranked lower than 10th in yards allowed. In 2001, they were seventh; in 2002 they were fourth; this year they're fifth. It shouldn't take a football Einstein to see that the Eagles' strength over the past few seasons has been on defense, and Limbaugh is no football Einstein, which is probably why he spotted it.

So far, no black quarterback has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black. To pretend that many of us didn't want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because he's black is absurd. To say that we shouldn't root for a quarterback to win because he's black is every bit as nonsensical as to say that we shouldn't have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was black. (Please, I don't need to be reminded that McNabb's situation is not so difficult or important as Robinson's—I'm talking about a principle.)

http://www.slate.com/id/2089193/

[n david]

I agree, I hope Limbaugh sues the pants off CNN's reporter Sanchez, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and others for libel.

I'd like Mr. Goodell to apply the same "high standard" he created for Limbaugh to other part owners, including:

JLo - whose lyrics include the "N" word;
Fergie - whose group used divisive, political and anti-Bush admin lyrics on "Where is the Love," who allegedly drank so much she peed her pants during a live performance;
Serena Williams - who verbally threatned and abused a tennis judge, repeatedly using the "F" word.

Goodell should also make coaches (Raiders' coach comes to mind, as does the cheat Bellichek) and other thugs who play the game live up to the same high standards.

Drugs, weapons convictions, murder, dog abuse ... these are okay, apparently.

Just don't let Limbaugh spend a ton of his money to become a minority - NON OPERATING - part owner with the Rams. That's the funny part. Limbaugh's role gave him NO OPERATIONAL CONTROL. They were basically just using him for the money and he was getting NOTHING for it.

[tstew]

I hope Rush does sue!



Is this considered a racist comment?

Some don't think so.

PO, I don't have a problem with people saying what they think, but in my opinion Rush was way off from a football perspective. The article that you cited discusses McNabb's stats but forgets to mention that this statement was made just like two years after McNabb was second in the MVP voting (a personal award that he was considered for by merit). McNabb's personal stats are usually pretty good. You have to remember that football is the ultimate team game and you are only as good as your team. (I think Dan Marino and Barry Sanders illustrate this nicely)
I don't recall Mcnabb having consistent time with dominant receivers (usually a recipe for success Peyton/Harrison, Brady/Moss, Montana/Young/Rice, Aikman/Irving, etc...). The only season I remember him having that is the time with T.O. when they went to the Super Bowl.

[Baron1710]

The SOL in most states on libel is one year from the initial publication.

[SOUNWORTHY]

If Rush wants to buy into a team he should at least pick a winner. :ursofunny

[Pressing-On]

If Rush wants to buy into a team he should at least pick a winner. :ursofunny
You would think! LOL!

[Pressing-On]

PO, I don't have a problem with people saying what they think, but in my opinion Rush was way off from a football perspective. The article that you cited discusses McNabb's stats but forgets to mention that this statement was made just like two years after McNabb was second in the MVP voting (a personal award that he was considered for by merit). McNabb's personal stats are usually pretty good. You have to remember that football is the ultimate team game and you are only as good as your team. (I think Dan Marino and Barry Sanders illustrate this nicely)
I don't recall Mcnabb having consistent time with dominant receivers (usually a recipe for success Peyton/Harrison, Brady/Moss, Montana/Young/Rice, Aikman/Irving, etc...). The only season I remember him having that is the time with T.O. when they went to the Super Bowl.

Well, you are getting all Romey on me! LOL! My point is that I don't think Rush's comments were racial. I've read many other commentators that have agreed with him.

On another note - regarding the Texas v. Oklahoma game on Saturday. I ran into a women, on Saturday, that was wearing a t-shirt that said:

LOVE
PEACE
Hate Oklahoma

:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

I asked her if she, especially, wore that shirt because of the Texas game. She said, "YES!" :ursofunny I kept calling my husband to get the score! LOL!

[n david]

PO, I don't have a problem with people saying what they think, but in my opinion Rush was way off from a football perspective. The article that you cited discusses McNabb's stats but forgets to mention that this statement was made just like two years after McNabb was second in the MVP voting (a personal award that he was considered for by merit). McNabb's personal stats are usually pretty good. You have to remember that football is the ultimate team game and you are only as good as your team. (I think Dan Marino and Barry Sanders illustrate this nicely)
I don't recall Mcnabb having consistent time with dominant receivers (usually a recipe for success Peyton/Harrison, Brady/Moss, Montana/Young/Rice, Aikman/Irving, etc...). The only season I remember him having that is the time with T.O. when they went to the Super Bowl.
If I remember, McNabb choked (pretty much literally as he vomited on the field during the game) in the SB. He's over-rated, as are a few others.

Had Keyshawn Johnson, Chris Carter, Curt Menefee or James Brown said the same thing Limbaugh did about McNabb, nothing would've been said about it.

[Esther]

I have always thought most think that the NFL is the toughest of sports. But obviously the commission doesn't have the fortitude to stand the heat and therefore, booted Rush.

The media has gone crazy trying to control everything to suit them. They hate Rush because he exposess them for the frauds they are.

[tstew]

I have always thought most think that the NFL is the toughest of sports. But obviously the commission doesn't have the fortitude to stand the heat and therefore, booted Rush.

The media has gone crazy trying to control everything to suit them. They hate Rush because he exposess them for the frauds they are.

I honestly think that the problem was with how the NFL's employees responded to this and not the media. When several prominent players came out on record and said that they would not work for him, that created some problems.

[tstew]

If I remember, McNabb choked (pretty much literally as he vomited on the field during the game) in the SB. He's over-rated, as are a few others.

Had Keyshawn Johnson, Chris Carter, Curt Menefee or James Brown said the same thing Limbaugh did about McNabb, nothing would've been said about it.

I'm just saying that his stats most often put him among the better of the starting quarterbacks of the NFL and whenever he did play with elite receivers like some of the others, he had a great deal of success. I am not a McNabb fan, but saying this after the MVP-like year he had just had did not make sense.

I personally don't care whether Rush owns a team. There are likely some current owners with much bigger problems than Rush. I also agree that the perception that many have of Rush already probably affected the way that they perceived his statement. However, at the end of the day,I think the issue was that in a field where many employees can choose who they will work for, having so many come out and say that they would not work for him was a problem.

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I'm just saying that his stats most often put him among the better of the starting quarterbacks of the NFL and whenever he did play with elite receivers like some of the others, he had a great deal of success. I am not a McNabb fan, but saying this after the MVP-like year he had just had did not make sense.

I personally don't care whether Rush owns a team. There are likely some current owners with much bigger problems than Rush. I also agree that the perception that many have of Rush already probably affected the way that they perceived his statement. However, at the end of the day,I think the issue was that in a field where many employees can choose who they will work for, having so many come out and say that they would not work for him was a problem.
Stephen Smith, former ESPN commentator is saying that the players that said they wouldn't play for Rush are lying through their teeth.

"If he has the money, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, and those black ballplayers that are saying that, I'm here on national television telling you they're lying through their stinking teeth."

"Oh, you're going to pass up money because, oh, my God, I'm offended by Rush Limbaugh being the owner? Who are you fooling? They're liars."
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/10/stephen-a-smith-black-players-saying-they-wouldnt-play-for-rush-limbaugh-are-lying/1

You can hear the interview here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/11/stephen_a_smith_on_rush_limbaugh_and_the_rams.html

[tstew]

Stephen Smith, former ESPN commentator is saying that the players that said they wouldn't play for Rush are lying through their teeth.



You can hear the interview here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/11/stephen_a_smith_on_rush_limbaugh_and_the_rams.html

Stephen A is one of many anylysts who are paid I guess to speculate as to what people are really thinking. However, I don't see how he can be so sure about this. Some of what we heard was anonymous grumbling, but at the point when you have prominent players going on the record and saying they wouldn't work for him I don't know how he can say they are lying. Some of these are guys who at free agency will have dozens of teams fighting over them, and I think that once they have put it out on record they won't be inclined to go against that.

Bottom line, many of the NFL are in the position of millions of Americans...they have to make their money however and wherever they can. However, the most desirable players do pick and choose and have opted not to play for certain teams for a variety of reasons.

[Pressing-On]

Stephen A is one of many anylysts who are paid I guess to speculate as to what people are really thinking. However, I don't see how he can be so sure about this. Some of what we heard was anonymous grumbling, but at the point when you have prominent players going on the record and saying they wouldn't work for him I don't know how he can say they are lying. Some of these are guys who at free agency will have dozens of teams fighting over them, and I think that once they have put it out on record they won't be inclined to go against that.

Bottom line, many of the NFL are in the position of millions of Americans...they have to make their money however and wherever they can. However, the most desirable players do pick and choose and have opted not to play for certain teams for a variety of reasons.
I will agree with you that some players were saying that they wouldn't play for him and that the choice players get to pick who they play for. I don't know how many sided against Rush and I don't really care if he buys a team or not - he certainly has the money to do it! Someone is listening to ol' Rushbo! LOL!

You are right on the bottom line of it - the NFL is in the same position of millions of Americans - they need the money!

[Praxeas]

I thought it was absurd and sad that these over payed players can dictate such issues based on politics.

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I thought it was absurd and sad that these over payed players can dictate such issues based on politics.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[tstew]

I thought it was absurd and sad that these over payed players can dictate such issues based on politics.

I honestly don't think it was his politics that caused the reaction. There are plenty of owners of every conceivable political persuasion. I think it was specifically how Rush is perceived on matters of race...and specifically how he has directly weighed in on the NFL.

[DividedThigh]

bottom line, no evidence he made the statements, they are lies ginned up by the media, the real racists are the liars, dt

[DividedThigh]

the real truth was spoken on orielly when juan williams guest hosted and ken hutchinson, pastor of antioch baptist church in washington, spoke out for rush, he is a black man and could be my pastor if i was there, dt

[tstew]

bottom line, no evidence he made the statements, they are lies ginned up by the media, the real racists are the liars, dt

DT, like I said, I personally couldn't care less what Rush buys. I've also said in the past on AFF that when I was younger, I used to listen to Rush almost religiously. I stopped when I start seeing him more as a partisan hack than news or info. As to his issues of race, there are many statements that he has made that cause people to wonder.

I personally didn't care for him calling Obama's plans forced reparations. I think that there is a clear underlying message and interjection of race. In my opinion, Obama's social goals are in keeping than what other liberals of all races have been trying to do. The liberal leadership in the House and surrounding him in the White House who are pushing for these things are not a bunch of Black people looking for reparations.

I happen to be Black and not looking for reparations at all. However, my wife and I are in Health Insurance hell right now dealing with all the complications of my baby's birth. I know many White people and people of all races who need a bad Healthcare system fixed. The countries that people use to illustrate possible models are not a bunch of countries handing out reparations.

I think when you sum it up, it looks to many people like Rush Limbaugh is speaking to a largely White audience and due to Obama's race is interjecting racial alarm.

As it relates to football in particular, given the way some people already view him, a lot of the professional, law-abiding NFL players took exception to him saying that an NFL game looks like a fight between the Crips and the Bloods. Perhaps if people did not see him in a certain light, this would not have rubbed them the wrong way.

He once again specifically weighed in on an NFL issue when he said that the only reason McNabb was getting the credit he was getting is because he is Black. Once again, in a vacuum maybe this statement would not have raised any eyebrows. However, we are often judged by our words and our reputation (whether it is deserved or not).

[DividedThigh]

i like you ttstew you know that, but rush is not a racist, i dont like obamas policies either, does that make me a racist , no,dt

[tstew]

i like you ttstew you know that, but rush is not a racist, i dont like obamas policies either, does that make me a racist , no,dt

You know I like you too DT. None of this has anything to do with that. I don't think you are racist for not liking Obama's policies. Personally, I don't care for most of what Obama, Bush or most other politicians are doing to America regardless of race. I try to be clear about that.

As to Rush, I cannot say definitively what his feelings are on race either way. I just gave you some of why he is perceived the way he is. For me personally, the reparations statement rubbed me the wrong way and felt like race-baiting and trying to introduce that element because of Obama's ethnicity.

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You know I like you too DT. None of this has anything to do with that. I don't think you are racist for not liking Obama's policies. Personally, I don't care for most of what Obama, Bush or most other politicians are doing to America regardless of race. I try to be clear about that.

As to Rush, I cannot say definitively what his feelings are on race either way. I just gave you some of why he is perceived the way he is. For me personally, the reparations statement rubbed me the wrong way and felt like race-baiting and trying to introduce that element because of Obama's ethnicity.

Stew,
When Obama was State Senator in Illinois he told a Chicago radio show that he sought "major redistributive change" for the benefit of fellow blacks.

That was seen as speaking in the context of the civil rights movement and it falling short of "economic justice". Many people interpreted his remarks to mean economic reparations for slavery.

I remember that being a big deal in the news then. What Limbaugh does is push the comments out in the most attention getting way and can be misunderstood. But, the "reparation" comments didn't start with him.

I agree with what you said here:

I don't care for most of what Obama, Bush or most other politicians are doing to America regardless of race. I try to be clear about that.

I don't see how any of them will turn this country around. I don't see one leader that I trust to do it.

[Pressing-On]

Obama Lamented Lack of ‘Redistributive Change’ in American Wealth

“If you look at the victories and the failures of the civil-rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court,” Obama said, “I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that, I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order. As long as I could pay for it, I would be okay.

“But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and served more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society and, to that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court (did), in the same way—that, generally, the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties; says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

“And that hasn’t shifted one of the--I think, one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change. And in some ways we still suffer from that,” Obama said.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/38247

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck&feature=player_embedded#

[tstew]

Stew,
When Obama was State Senator in Illinois he told a Chicago radio show that he sought "major redistributive change" for the benefit of fellow blacks.

That was seen as speaking in the context of the civil rights movement and it falling short of "economic justice". Many people interpreted his remarks to mean economic reparations for slavery.

I remember that being a big deal in the news then. What Limbaugh does is push the comments out in the most attention getting way and can be misunderstood. But, the "reparation" comments didn't start with him.

I agree with what you said here:



I don't see how any of them will turn this country around. I don't see one leader that I trust to do it.

PO, I'm just saying that I don't view any of his initiatives as President as a great departure from traditional liberal viewpoints and goals. The notion of reparations is crazy to me. What's almost funny is that you never hear the average black person talking about or asking for reparations of slavery.

I have found that it is usually the extremes on both sides who use the concept to their advantage. One to ask for something that we all know they're never going to get...and the other to claim that something is being widely demanded when we all know it isn't.

I have also found that even among those who are talking about "redistributive change", they are not talking about money for slavery, but a continuation of the much more recent civil rights movements that looked to level out a playing field that up until fairly recently included drastic financial, social, and political exclusion.

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PO, I'm just saying that I don't view any of his initiatives as President as a great departure from traditional liberal viewpoints and goals. The notion of reparations is crazy to me. What's almost funny is that you never hear the average black person talking about or asking for reparations of slavery.

I have found that it is usually the extremes on both sides who use the concept to their advantage. One to ask for something that we all know they're never going to get...and the other to claim that something is being widely demanded when we all know it isn't.

I have also found that even among those who are talking about "redistributive change", they are not talking about money for slavery, but a continuation of the much more recent civil rights movements that looked to level out a playing field that up until fairly recently included drastic financial, social, and political exclusion.
I agree with everything you are saying here, of course. My only point is that the reparation comments didn't begin with Rush like they came out of thin air. He can get snarky when he brings things out further, but many comments don't begin with him, he just elaborates on them.

Aside from all of that - on the topic of reparations - I cannot fathom how all of that could have begun and been accepted - slavery. How could you look another human being in the eye and view them as only being value for labor and human trafficing? It's just beyond me.

I can see, especially, among the older who still have the memories of segregation and the transition that is better, but isn't quite over yet. Money and greed can only be at the bottom of such things. The "love" of money - the root of all evil.

[tstew]

I agree with everything you are saying here, of course. My only point is that the reparation comments didn't begin with Rush like they came out of thin air. He can get snarky when he brings things out further, but many comments don't begin with him, he just elaborates on them.

Aside from all of that - on the topic of reparations - I cannot fathom how all of that could have begun and been accepted - slavery. How could you look another human being in the eye and view them as only being value for labor and human trafficing? It's just beyond me.

I can see, especially, among the older who still have the memories of segregation and the transition that is better, but isn't quite over yet. Money and greed can only be at the bottom of such things. The "love" of money - the root of all evil.

Something is not right. We're agreeing too much these days.:)

I'm not trying to make Rush out to be some awful person. I meant what I said when I said I used to listen to him religiously. My father is, in fact, probably the biggest dittohead of them all. I know that Rush is not the only person saying any of this, but his mic is often the loudest (tremendous voice and platform can have its drawbacks)

[Pressing-On]

Something is not right. We're agreeing too much these days.:)

I'm not trying to make Rush out to be some awful person. I meant what I said when I said I used to listen to him religiously. My father is, in fact, probably the biggest dittohead of them all. I know that Rush is not the only person saying any of this, but his mic is often the loudest (tremendous voice and platform can have its drawbacks)

Honestly, Sean Hannity gets on my nerves more.

But, get his - you are going to fall out of your chair laughing! I think it was Monday night - I dreamed I was married to Rush Limbaugh!!! :toofunny

I told my husband about the dream and he said, "What in the world is the matter with you?!!!" :toofunny

He was soooo nice in the dream! I think I want to meet him now! :toofunny :toofunny

[tstew]

Honestly, Sean Hannity gets on my nerves more.

But, get his - you are going to fall out of your chair laughing! I think it was Monday night - I dreamed I was married to Rush Limbaugh!!! :toofunny

I told my husband about the dream and he said, "What in the world is the matter with you?!!!" :toofunny

He was soooo nice in the dream! I think I want to meet him now! :toofunny :toofunny

LOL. I'm not sure the world is ready for a Limbaugh/PO union. You all would take over the world.
Now, I'm not saying that there aren't many women who dream of being married to Rush, but I'll just say that the fact that your husband did not feel the least bit threatened speaks volumes. :ursofunny:ursofunny

[Pressing-On]

LOL. I'm not sure the world is ready for a Limbaugh/PO union. You all would take over the world.
Now, I'm not saying that there aren't many women who dream of being married to Rush, but I'll just say that the fact that your husband did not feel the least bit threatened speaks volumes. :ursofunny:ursofunny

:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

[notofworks]

This is strictly conjecture, but I believe Rush knew from the beginning he would NEVER survive the public backlash of the potential of him being an owner. When it was announced, I immediately said, "No way that's EVER gonna happen" and if I can observe that from my couch, Rush can too.

I believe it was just more free publicity and indeed, his ratings in the aftermath are skyrocketing.

And I absolutely believe his remarks about McNabb were at worst, extremely bigoted, and at best, extremely ignorant. Tom Jackson's immediate facial expression was very telling. And what about the dozens of other over-rated quarterbacks that are white? I was appalled at what he said and frankly, I don't know how it can be viewed any other way.

Furthermore, he HAD to know that the McNabb remark would get him fired immediately and if he didn't know that, he has a serious wisdom problem.

[coadie]

This is strictly conjecture, but I believe Rush knew from the beginning he would NEVER survive the public backlash of the potential of him being an owner. When it was announced, I immediately said, "No way that's EVER gonna happen" and if I can observe that from my couch, Rush can too.

I believe it was just more free publicity and indeed, his ratings in the aftermath are skyrocketing.

And I absolutely believe his remarks about McNabb were at worst, extremely bigoted, and at best, extremely ignorant. Tom Jackson's immediate facial expression was very telling. And what about the dozens of other over-rated quarterbacks that are white? I was appalled at what he said and frankly, I don't know how it can be viewed any other way.

Furthermore, he HAD to know that the McNabb remark would get him fired immediately and if he didn't know that, he has a serious wisdom problem.

I tuned into Rush some time back. I heard him say he thought there would be issues and the person approaching him with the suggestion said they either were cleared or would be cleared. Apparently that was not so

Recently Rush mentioned a quote seizes the moment and says "well that was what he was thinking anyhow" Just like Rush had been quoted in error and later peiople claim that is exactly what rush thinks so it is true even if he never said it.

Rush says Bo Snerdly is a minority. He would be the one to affirm or deny Rush's racial posture.

[n david]

And I absolutely believe his remarks about McNabb were at worst, extremely bigoted, and at best, extremely ignorant. Tom Jackson's immediate facial expression was very telling. And what about the dozens of other over-rated quarterbacks that are white? I was appalled at what he said and frankly, I don't know how it can be viewed any other way.

Furthermore, he HAD to know that the McNabb remark would get him fired immediately and if he didn't know that, he has a serious wisdom problem.
The conversation was about McNabb, not other QBs. Had the conversation been about NFL QBs in general, I doubt Limbaugh would have singled out McNabb.

Interesting to note, the NFL commish (Goodell) was before Congress and a Congressman grilled him over his remarks against Limbaugh and questioned why, on the very day Goodell spoke out against Limbaugh, he approved Fergie to become a part-owner of the Dolphins.

He also questioned Goodell about JLo being part-owner of the Dolphins as well. The congressman gave him a list of lyrics and other statements made by both that are obscene/offensive and asked Goodell to read over and comment on it when they resume the hearing (I believe today).

I'm glad Goodell was called out on this. He tried weasling out of his criticism of Limbaugh before the Congressman dropped the bomb on him with these other part owners. Also glad the Congressman also pressed the point that several of the quotes attributed to Limbaugh were outright lies.

[DividedThigh]

rushs friend the hutch was right, the real rascists are the ones barring him from ownership, dt

[tstew]

The conversation was about McNabb, not other QBs. Had the conversation been about NFL QBs in general, I doubt Limbaugh would have singled out McNabb.

Interesting to note, the NFL commish (Goodell) was before Congress and a Congressman grilled him over his remarks against Limbaugh and questioned why, on the very day Goodell spoke out against Limbaugh, he approved Fergie to become a part-owner of the Dolphins.

He also questioned Goodell about JLo being part-owner of the Dolphins as well. The congressman gave him a list of lyrics and other statements made by both that are obscene/offensive and asked Goodell to read over and comment on it when they resume the hearing (I believe today).

I'm glad Goodell was called out on this. He tried weasling out of his criticism of Limbaugh before the Congressman dropped the bomb on him with these other part owners. Also glad the Congressman also pressed the point that several of the quotes attributed to Limbaugh were outright lies.

n david, there are plenty of statements actually made by Rush that do raise some eyebrows. Once again, I cannot say definitively what his deepest feelings are, but it is very clear what the perception of him is. In a twisted way, the fact that people have attributed some things to him that he may not have said kind of shows what the overall perception is.
Either way, when he came to the NFL with people already viewing him with question, to come out of the gates with this comment about McNabb seemed to cement the perception. I've never understood why someone who people already thinks kind of has issues of race would come out and say that McNabb only gets credit because he is black.

At the end of the day, the problem with Rush was not that his comments were so obscene or a violation of anybody's rights, it was that too many employees were saying that they would excercise their right to not work for him.

[Nitehawk013]

Rush should be able to ay whatever he wants to say and not have to fear Jesse and Al leading a crusade against him. We have free speech I thought.

Peopel should be allowed to say whatever they want to say, even if it is ignorant or offensive. They should be willing to face the personal consequences as well, but being silenced by activists, governments or anyone else is disgusting to me.

Censoring anyone is a threat to the free speech of everyone.

[tstew]

Rush should be able to ay whatever he wants to say and not have to fear Jesse and Al leading a crusade against him. We have free speech I thought.

Peopel should be allowed to say whatever they want to say, even if it is ignorant or offensive. They should be willing to face the personal consequences as well, but being silenced by activists, governments or anyone else is disgusting to me.

Censoring anyone is a threat to the free speech of everyone.

Nighthawk. This has nothing to do with Jesse, Al, or censorship. Of hand, I would think that Rush is perhaps the least censored person in America...by that I mean that he probably has one of the largest single platforms of speech that I know of. This is not about being silenced by the government or activists. Nobody is trying to take away Rush's show or tell him what to say on it.

I've reminded several times on this thread that this is simply about people saying that they would not work for him. That sort of thing would be a concern to the other investors. Rush is free to say what he wants as an American...but the players and other Americans are free to say that they would not work for somebody.

If you had real questions about someone who was trying to be your boss, you would have the same freedom and right.

[n david]

n david, there are plenty of statements actually made by Rush that do raise some eyebrows. Once again, I cannot say definitively what his deepest feelings are, but it is very clear what the perception of him is. In a twisted way, the fact that people have attributed some things to him that he may not have said kind of shows what the overall perception is.
Either way, when he came to the NFL with people already viewing him with question, to come out of the gates with this comment about McNabb seemed to cement the perception. I've never understood why someone who people already thinks kind of has issues of race would come out and say that McNabb only gets credit because he is black.
Other than two statements actually made by Rush - the McNabb statement and the bloods vs crips statement, there's nothing else he's said about it to suggest anything. You've got this one author - who nobody has been able to contact - who put some false quotes in a book, which was then picked up by a St. Louis P/D writer, who did nothing to vett the quote, just ran with them and accused Limbaugh of saying these racist things.

After that, Sharpton, Jackson and the others picked the false quotes up and did what they do best ... stir up racial outrage.

Now about the McNabb quote ... here's my takes on why Limbaugh said it.

The NFL now, and has for a few years, requires teams to interview at least one African American person for a coaching position. If not, there's a fine. Doesn't matter if the person is qualified or not; doesn't matter if the team has a coach they really want to hire who would accept the job if offered ... instead they have to go through all these motions.

Remember the hubbub when the Colts won the Super Bowl, and how the media was fixated on Dungy being the first African American coach to win the Super Bowl. All the media seemed to focus on was race.

Because of that, and because there hasn't been a dominant QB in the NFL who's African American, Limbaugh said what he said.

The media and NFL wanted Dungy to succeed and focused on that after the Colts won ... and the media and NFL want an African American QB to succeed as none has previously.

Dare I say it ... Rush was right.

At the end of the day, the problem with Rush was not that his comments were so obscene or a violation of anybody's rights, it was that too many employees were saying that they would excercise their right to not work for him.
The reason they were saying that is because of Sharpton, Jackson and the head of the Players Union (who is African American) all joining together to demand that players and employees speak out and voice their opinion against Limbaugh.

And how many voiced their displeasure ... the Players Union guy, one owner, and a couple players ... not quite the uprising that the media made it out to be.

[Nitehawk013]

Rush usually is right.

[coadie]

Nighthawk. This has nothing to do with Jesse, Al, or censorship. Of hand, I would think that Rush is perhaps the least censored person in America...by that I mean that he probably has one of the largest single platforms of speech that I know of. This is not about being silenced by the government or activists. Nobody is trying to take away Rush's show or tell him what to say on it.

I've reminded several times on this thread that this is simply about people saying that they would not work for him. That sort of thing would be a concern to the other investors. Rush is free to say what he wants as an American...but the players and other Americans are free to say that they would not work for somebody.

If you had real questions about someone who was trying to be your boss, you would have the same freedom and right.

I did listen to what Rush said. He may know what he is talking about. If the price is 750 million, Rush may be good for 1% of that. 1% percent and the fact that Rush was told from the beginning it had no managerial interest attached.

The next point seems as pathetic as their winning record is, I have no choice but to be convinced they aren't working for their current boss either. Zero wins this year. It is time for reality therapy.

[tstew]

I did listen to what Rush said. He may know what he is talking about. If the price is 750 million, Rush may be good for 1% of that. 1% percent and the fact that Rush was told from the beginning it had no managerial interest attached.

The next point seems as pathetic as their winning record is, I have no choice but to be convinced they aren't working for their current boss either. Zero wins this year. It is time for reality therapy.

The players I'm referring to are not ones who currently play for the Rams. The concern was that key players who would be desirable free agents were voicing that they would not work for him.

[tstew]

Other than two statements actually made by Rush - the McNabb statement and the bloods vs crips statement, there's nothing else he's said about it to suggest anything. You've got this one author - who nobody has been able to contact - who put some false quotes in a book, which was then picked up by a St. Louis P/D writer, who did nothing to vett the quote, just ran with them and accused Limbaugh of saying these racist things.

After that, Sharpton, Jackson and the others picked the false quotes up and did what they do best ... stir up racial outrage.

Now about the McNabb quote ... here's my takes on why Limbaugh said it.

The NFL now, and has for a few years, requires teams to interview at least one African American person for a coaching position. If not, there's a fine. Doesn't matter if the person is qualified or not; doesn't matter if the team has a coach they really want to hire who would accept the job if offered ... instead they have to go through all these motions.

Remember the hubbub when the Colts won the Super Bowl, and how the media was fixated on Dungy being the first African American coach to win the Super Bowl. All the media seemed to focus on was race.

Because of that, and because there hasn't been a dominant QB in the NFL who's African American, Limbaugh said what he said.

The media and NFL wanted Dungy to succeed and focused on that after the Colts won ... and the media and NFL want an African American QB to succeed as none has previously.

Dare I say it ... Rush was right.


The reason they were saying that is because of Sharpton, Jackson and the head of the Players Union (who is African American) all joining together to demand that players and employees speak out and voice their opinion against Limbaugh.

And how many voiced their displeasure ... the Players Union guy, one owner, and a couple players ... not quite the uprising that the media made it out to be.

As to the statements that are innacurrately attributed to Rush, I ignore those. The ones I referenced (the one about Obama and reparations, and the two specifically about the NFL) were the only ones that I addressed.

As to his statement about McNabb, anyone who follows football and looks at the stats and sees who has consistently put up good numbers particularly without dominant receivers...would probably argue that McNabb does not get credit simply because he is black.

I'm not saying that race has not been an issue in the past in the NFL and that people do celebrate when a coach or player breaks historic barriers. What I am saying is that if someone came along who people already questioned as to matters of race and said that Dungy was undeserving and only got credit because he was black, they would be wrong and probably catch some backlash from other players, coaches, and the media that they were accusing.

And contrary to what you seem to think, most blacks in America do not take their cue or marching orders from Sharpton or Jesse. Those are two of the most laughed at men in black America. The players that were quoted were quoted immediately after learning of this, not after some sort of meeting or devised strategy.

[n david]

The players I'm referring to are not ones who currently play for the Rams. The concern was that key players who would be desirable free agents were voicing that they would not work for him.
I could be wrong, but I thought I paid close enough attention to this ... from what I read/heard on the news there weren't many players who were against it. A very small minority in comparison.

The big mouths, as usual, were Sharpton and Jackson. Then there was the Players Union guy that demanded the players speak out against it ... which is ridiculous.

If a poll were taken of players, I bet Limbaugh would have had a majority who wouldn't be bothered with him being a money only, non controlling part owner.

[tstew]

I could be wrong, but I thought I paid close enough attention to this ... from what I read/heard on the news there weren't many players who were against it. A very small minority in comparison.

The big mouths, as usual, were Sharpton and Jackson. Then there was the Players Union guy that demanded the players speak out against it ... which is ridiculous.

If a poll were taken of players, I bet Limbaugh would have had a majority who wouldn't be bothered with him being a money only, non controlling part owner.

I addressed in my last post just how much I think Jackson and Sharpton had to do with this. I was hearing immediate reactions from players.

Most people who know football just know that what he said about McNabb is just way off. Now people absolutely have been way off about football before. The issue here is that because of how he was already perceived, coming in and pulling that race card just did not make sense.

[n david]

Yeah, I didn't see the reply on Sharpton/Jackson until after I submitted my post.

On the players, there were probably more against it than what I heard initially

In other news ... did anyone hear what happened to Bob Griese from ABC/ESPN...

During ESPN's broadcast of the Minnesota-Ohio State game Saturday, a graphic was shown listing the top five drivers in NASCAR's points race. Fellow analyst Chris Spielman asked where was Montoya, who is Colombian.

Griese replied he was "out having a taco."

Griese has been suspended for the next broadcast.

Is this really an insult? Or have we become too sensitive? I mean, what if Griese was asked, "Where's Ricky Bobby," and replied with "at the bar having a beer." I doubt anything would've been said about it. Nor would "wonder where Gordon's at." "Probably having a burger."

I don't get it...sorry.

Source (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j0UZABjgotaBUAWLNF4NLIPKExCAD9BJGDF00)

[tstew]

Yeah, I didn't see the reply on Sharpton/Jackson until after I submitted my post.

On the players, there were probably more against it than what I heard initially

In other news ... did anyone hear what happened to Bob Griese from ABC/ESPN...



Griese has been suspended for the next broadcast.

Is this really an insult? Or have we become too sensitive? I mean, what if Griese was asked, "Where's Ricky Bobby," and replied with "at the bar having a beer." I doubt anything would've been said about it. Nor would "wonder where Gordon's at." "Probably having a burger."

I don't get it...sorry.

Source (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j0UZABjgotaBUAWLNF4NLIPKExCAD9BJGDF00)

I didn't catch that. I'm surprised that someone as seasoned as Griese would go there. I do think that we have become too sensitive in many ways. However, I think that whenever you're dealing with a situation of someone being a drastic minority in a field or maybe one of the first few "of their type" in a field...the level of sensitivity goes up. For example, if Danica Patrick were the driver in this instance and he had made a very obvious female related statement, the result would have probably been the same.

[n david]

I didn't catch that. I'm surprised that someone as seasoned as Griese would go there. I do think that we have become too sensitive in many ways. However, I think that whenever you're dealing with a situation of someone being a drastic minority in a field or maybe one of the first few "of their type" in a field...the level of sensitivity goes up. For example, if Danica Patrick were the driver in this instance and he had made a very obvious female related statement, the result would have probably been the same.
I can see your point. When I saw the headline of him being suspended for a racial comment, I thought it would be something more though.

I was scratching my head as to why he would insert that ...

[Nitehawk013]

We live in a country of overly sensitive pansies now. Most of whom are just waiting for a chance to sue since that is treated liek the lottery.

The taco joke was funny. My buddy charles is black. We joke all the time about watermelon and chicken. He razzes me about being white. Neither of us cry and look to lawyer up because THEY ARE JUST JOKES. And most funny jokes have a lot of truth to them.

[DividedThigh]

griese said montoya was out gettin a taco, he got a weeks suspension, he is a football guy anyway, not political correct ususally gets people in trouble these days, dt

[coadie]

We got the Hutch. Hutch from Seattle, nice to have you, sir. The Super Bowl coming up, you said "enhttp://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_013108/content/01125115.guest.html.guest.htmlough politics" in the e-mail.

Rush has a friend ex Football player. Why do we accept lines from sharpton and Jackson who are football outsiders and don't know Rush?

"Ken Hutcherson, a man of the cloth, a man of God with his own church and flock in seattle" ...

[tstew]

I'm not sure how many different ways i can express just how little the average black person looks to Sharpton or Jackson for leadership or cues. The media loves to give them a platform because they know they will be sensational and push a lot of buttons. Once again, players were voicing this in immediate reaction to the announcement...not after Jackson or Sharpton distributed the official black response or whatever you guys think happens :)

[tstew]

griese said montoya was out gettin a taco, he got a weeks suspension, he is a football guy anyway, not political correct ususally gets people in trouble these days, dt

As to Griese, yes I agree that political correctness is running wild, but he should have known better than to go this route. Like I said whenever you're dealing with someone who is a very dramatic minority or a first "of their kind" the stakes get dramatically higher.
It would be something like having a field where a born-again Christian is the first born-again Christian in their arena...and an atheist announcer made some sort of comment about them being probably being out speaking in tongues or praying to baby Jesus as a joke. It may be somewhat based in truth, but he should expect some sort of backlash from Christians.

[DividedThigh]

i agree tstew, griese should stick to football, i am not political correct at all, but i am not a public figure either, lol