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10-21-2009, 10:33 AM

pelathais

10-21-2009, 10:44 AM

Adam Lambert is out with his new video on myspace. (mad vocals) It is part of a new movie soundtrack and the video premieres on Michael Jackson's this is it as a movie trailer.

Any one want to bet that Adam Lambert will be the biggest American idol so far? Surely he is going to be bigger than the guy that beat him. I already forgot his name. Chris something.

link to video:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=64424781
You know, I have a niece who did her nails like Lambert does his.. no connection between the two, just a coincidence in style.

She did it at a particularly low point in her life... and then cleaned them off (or whatever you do) and moved forward with a brave smile.

I took it like one of those "women things" - like when they change their hair style and you're not supposed to say anything because if you do they'll start weeping; and if you don't say anything they get mad because you "didn't notice."

notofworks

10-21-2009, 11:20 AM

Adam Lambert is out with his new video on myspace. (mad vocals) It is part of a new movie soundtrack and the video premieres on Michael Jackson's this is it as a movie trailer.

Any one want to bet that Adam Lambert will be the biggest American idol so far? Surely he is going to be bigger than the guy that beat him. I already forgot his name. Chris something.

link to video:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=64424781

I NEVER miss an episode of AI and I can't think of this name either!

But Adam Lambert is the BEST I've seen EVER on the show. I'll buy anything he records. I think he could be iconish like Presley, Jackson, the Beatles. Hopefully, he doesn't self-destruct.

notofworks

10-21-2009, 11:21 AM

RandyWayne

10-21-2009, 11:22 AM

I have yet to watch more then 20 seconds of American Idol -and that only happened once. Just not my type of show.

So will not post anymore on the subject. :)

(Just thought I would make a post to tell everyone why I am not posting.... LOL)

pelathais

10-21-2009, 11:26 AM

I NEVER miss an episode of AI and I can't think of this name either!

But Adam Lambert is the BEST I've seen EVER on the show. I'll buy anything he records. I think he could be iconish like Presley, Jackson, the Beatles. Hopefully, he doesn't self-destruct.
I only wander in and out of most television shows... but the Lambert guy did have an amazing vocal talent. He could sing anything, in any range. It was remarkable to watch him sing a wide variety of differnt styles.

The guy owns his voice. He can make it do whatever the sheet music calls for it to do. I've seen a lot of very good singers lose it at times, just fooling around and trying different things, but Lambert's voice is a remarkable gift. He never "loses it."

rgcraig

10-21-2009, 11:32 AM

Just asked my wife. She can't think of his name either.

Kris Allen

notofworks

10-21-2009, 11:33 AM

I only wander in and out of most television shows... but the Lambert guy did have an amazing vocal talent. He could sing anything, in any range. It was remarkable to watch him sing a wide variety of differnt styles.

The guy owns his voice. He can make it do whatever the sheet music calls for it to do. I've seen a lot of very good singers lose it at times, just fooling around and trying different things, but Lambert's voice is a remarkable gift. He never "loses it."

Totally. And I also admired that he was a perfect gentleman in his interaction with the other contestants. I liked him as a singer and a person. His version of "Satisfaction" and "Play that funky music" was like nothing I've ever heard.

MissBrattified

10-21-2009, 11:36 AM

He has an amazing voice!

Praxeas

10-21-2009, 11:40 AM

Is the other gay...uh guy gay too?

notofworks

10-21-2009, 11:41 AM

Is the other gay...uh guy gay too?

What does that have to do with anything? I think we're discussing their singing talent.

Or wait.....are you trying to "set me up" again?:ursofunny

KWSS1976

10-21-2009, 11:45 AM

Yall can go to fox news and see a pic of him with a woman I am not going to post it..LOL

Nitehawk013

10-21-2009, 11:58 AM

Cindy

10-21-2009, 12:39 PM

Totally. And I also admired that he was a perfect gentleman in his interaction with the other contestants. I liked him as a singer and a person. His version of "Satisfaction" and "Play that funky music" was like nothing I've ever heard.

I really like both those songs.

Cindy

10-21-2009, 12:41 PM

Here was the rundown of Adam every week on AI.

-Dress emo.
-Sing moderately well.
-HIt insane note that makes dogsheads explode.
-Little girls scream in joy.
-Guys wonder "is he gay? I'm not sure...but I think he's gay".
-Move on to next week.

And lets not insult Elvis by mentioning Adam in the same context. No one before or since has or will ever match the King. MJ was the only one to even come close.

I never cared for either EP or MJ. But my husband loved EP and we have an oil on velvet pic of him on our living room wall. He got it from my daughter for his b-day. YUCK!!!!!!!!!

Nitehawk013

10-21-2009, 12:42 PM

No home is complete without a velvet Elvis!

*AQuietPlace*

10-21-2009, 12:46 PM

Do I have to leave AFF if I confess that I've never heard him sing even once? :D

(that's cuz I'm more spiritual than all you heathens who watch AI. :ursofunny)

Cindy

10-21-2009, 12:49 PM

Do I have to leave AFF if I confess that I've never heard him sing even once? :D

(that's cuz I'm more spiritual than all you heathens who watch AI. :ursofunny)

You and me both......:)

:ursofunny

RandyWayne

10-21-2009, 12:56 PM

No home is complete without a velvet Elvis!

Elvis, yet another man whom (I hope) would never have appeared in a romantic comedy with Jennifer Aniston. Granted he did appear with Ann Margret (or as more people probably remember her as the 'animated' Ann Margrock.)

Praxeas

10-21-2009, 01:09 PM

Yall can go to fox news and see a pic of him with a woman I am not going to post it..LOL
I saw it...he still says he is gay though. Kinda funny all the women that try to get him and he is not giving in..

*AQuietPlace*

10-21-2009, 01:13 PM

Elvis, yet another man whom (I hope) would never have appeared in a romantic comedy with Jennifer Aniston. Granted he did appear with Ann Margret (or as more people probably remember her as the 'animated' Ann Margrock.)
Why?

Cindy

10-21-2009, 02:46 PM

No home is complete without a velvet Elvis!

UGH!

notofworks

10-21-2009, 03:46 PM

Do I have to leave AFF if I confess that I've never heard him sing even once? :D

(that's cuz I'm more spiritual than all you heathens who watch AI. :ursofunny)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ipcHvKqSU&feature=related

This is a crummy recording, but Fox deletes any stuff recorded straight from the TV.

notofworks

10-21-2009, 03:47 PM

I saw it...he still says he is gay though. Kinda funny all the women that try to get him and he is not giving in..

Why are you bringing up the gay stuff? What does it matter?

pelathais

10-21-2009, 04:38 PM

Here was the rundown of Adam every week on AI.

-Dress emo.
-Sing moderately well.
-HIt insane note that makes dogsheads explode.
-Little girls scream in joy.
-Guys wonder "is he gay? I'm not sure...but I think he's gay".
-Move on to next week.

And lets not insult Elvis by mentioning Adam in the same context. No one before or since has or will ever match the King. MJ was the only one to even come close.
You are nuts!

If by "MJ" you mean that space alien freak then, no way! He and EP are not even the same "thing." It's not even "apple and oranges." It's more like a comparison between a mossy Southern oak and an old moldy banana peel.

Jackson could do the techno beat well, but that and double jointedness is all he had. And a voice like MM - Mickey Mouse.

crakjak

10-21-2009, 04:47 PM

Yall can go to fox news and see a pic of him with a woman I am not going to post it..LOL

And I thought Fox was conservative??? They seemed to be trying to play down his gayness?? I have better things to do, no matter how great is the voice.

Fiyahstarter

10-21-2009, 06:58 PM

pelathais

10-21-2009, 07:39 PM

And I thought Fox was conservative??? They seemed to be trying to play down his gayness?? I have better things to do, no matter how great is the voice.
Roger Ailes, the president of Foxnews, is a long time conservative. He did media consulting with Republican presidents going back as far as Nixon. He's the one that has made FoxNews the behemoth of cable ratings that it is today.

Rupert Murdock, the president and head of Fox, is just savvy when it comes to business. He saw the opportunity that a swing to the right might have in the ratings game and Ailes made it all come true. But Fox and Murdoch have always been more into sensationalism than wed to any ideology. Their "sister" network in the U.K. - SkyNews - raps the BBC and isn't particularly "conservative" or Tory.

Also, the Fox television channel has long been one to take swipes at "traditional family values." One of their first hits was "Married with Children," that came out at a time when Reagan and others were touting the importance of the family. Then came the cartoons - "The Simpsons," America's most dysfunctional 'nuclear' family. This was followed by Seth MacFarlane's "American Dad" and "Family Guy."

The 'evil, mad scientist and probably gay' baby character in the latter show has a teddy bear named "Rupert" after the head of Fox Studios.

CC1

10-21-2009, 07:48 PM

Prax,

The "other guy", the AI winner, is a married guy from Arkansas.

notofworks

10-21-2009, 08:18 PM

You are nuts!

If by "MJ" you mean that space alien freak then, no way! He and EP are not even the same "thing." It's not even "apple and oranges." It's more like a comparison between a mossy Southern oak and an old moldy banana peel.

Jackson could do the techno beat well, but that and double jointedness is all he had. And a voice like MM - Mickey Mouse.

You know, Pel, I think you know by now that I'm the president of the Pelthais Fan Club. I've learned more from you than the whole forum combined. But now we're gonna have to fight on that MJ thing. Come on! He was great, and I can't believe I'm saying, "Was."

Take the 5 minutes it needs and watch this. It's musical art at it's best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZz-q8CRLE

pelathais

10-21-2009, 11:50 PM

You know, Pel, I think you know by now that I'm the president of the Pelthais Fan Club. I've learned more from you than the whole forum combined. But now we're gonna have to fight on that MJ thing. Come on! He was great, and I can't believe I'm saying, "Was."

Take the 5 minutes it needs and watch this. It's musical art at it's best.

Music's like food. We all have a certain taste that we crave and only certain things really satisfy. There's no correct or incorrect choices, just a matter of preference and style.

I don't know that I'd ever heard that song before. I looked up the lyrics and read them as I went through the video a second time. The video work is outstanding; the crack of the slo-mo baseball bat in time along with the splash of rain drops - those were really nice touches. Are real artist was at work directing and influencing those things in the final edit.

But the whole "KGB" thing and "stranger in Moscow?" Dunno. I read the Wikipedia.org article on the timing of MJ's writing of this song. It was 1993, the Berlin wall was down, he was on tour in Moscow and scandalous accusations broke in the US media.

Is that why the city in the video was so obviously an American city, complete with AT&T pay phones? The "KGB" that was dogging him was not a Russian agency, but the American press and law enforcement. Ironically, Gorbachev had just dismantled the KGB and opened Russia to Westerners like MJ.

I know he had a profound influence on an entire generation, and that his influence reached its heights long before the allegations came out. So, most of his fans will remember with fondness the "pre-1993" MJ without the taint of scandal. Such nostalgia does give one's life a certain richness that I would be loathe to interfere with.

But for myself, that whole period of time falls into my "cultural black hole period." The music of the eighties and nineties, the movies, the television shows and just about everything else were taboo for me back then. I'm sort of like the "non-strangers" in Moscow. I opened up, like Gorbachev's Russia, to a whole panoply of arts and music - only to find myself almost immediately having to listen to the sordid details of scandal.

MJ is a bit of a stranger to me. I can see a real hand of genius was at work, but it was a work constructed for others. I must admire and critique outside in the rain, like a bewildered Moscovite at times.

simplyme

10-22-2009, 02:12 AM

I NEVER miss an episode of AI and I can't think of this name either!

But Adam Lambert is the BEST I've seen EVER on the show. I'll buy anything he records. I think he could be iconish like Presley, Jackson, the Beatles. Hopefully, he doesn't self-destruct.

I've NEVER watched AI till this past season and even then I missed too many
*darn* I watched only 'cause of this guy he is THE BEST, I agree that voice is FOR REAL and does just about anything.
Just watched this video - EXCELLENT and the movie is 2012??? [I]Oh great!I shoulda known someone would make a movie about that.

People are making sooo much of that year .. but thats another topic.

ANYWAY I LOVE ADAM LAMBERT, his personal life aside. I do believe he is
ALREADY a superstar., I've seen some of his other video's from his past [excellent] he has been shining for a long time., and is a PRO, IMHO., he IS the best one of all the stars that have come from AI (that I know of, lol)
and in this newest video he is awesome! He looks a bit different though, but
for THAT video I guess he had to, and its a great look.

I highly doubt that ADAM will self-destruct., but I wish that he was heterosexual, I mean, IF he self-destructed it would have to be from AIDS.

pelathais

10-22-2009, 02:43 AM

I've NEVER watched AI till this past season and even then I missed too many
*darn* I watched only 'cause of this guy he is THE BEST, I agree that voice is FOR REAL and does just about anything.
Just watched this video - EXCELLENT and the movie is 2012??? [I]Oh great!I shoulda known someone would make a movie about that.

People are making sooo much of that year .. but thats another topic.

ANYWAY I LOVE ADAM LAMBERT, his personal life aside. I do believe he is
ALREADY a superstar., I've seen some of his other video's from his past [excellent] he has been shining for a long time., and is a PRO, IMHO., he IS the best one of all the stars that have come from AI (that I know of, lol)
and in this newest video he is awesome! He looks a bit different though, but
for THAT video I guess he had to, and its a great look.

I highly doubt that ADAM will self-destruct., but I wish that he was heterosexual, I mean, IF he self-destructed it would have to be from AIDS.
He's doing the music for "2012?" (groan!)

I'm with you. What are you doing in 2012? Maybe we can get some others together and we can hang out while evrybody else's world comes to an end.

If Benincasa hadn't been taken up in the (or "a") rapture last month he'd join us for sure.

Ferd

10-22-2009, 12:01 PM

So now we are seeing the gay agenda being promoted here?

Nitehawk013

10-22-2009, 12:11 PM

No no...Adam's cool because he can hit high notes. It doesn't matter that he is gay. All that matters is that he is emo, sings ok and entertains.

Don't you go stirring up trouble! LOL.

simplyme

10-22-2009, 12:15 PM

So now we are seeing the gay agenda being promoted here?

WHAT!!!???!!
Where on earth do you GET that? Sheeesh, talk about taking
things out of bounds!!!

ANYWAY, IF that were even the case, it would not be so
strange, in keeping with a lot of the stuff I've read here on a liberal
bent.

BUT on this topic, NO, its NOT, at least not from me.
Just 'cause I like his music., doesnt' mean I condone his preferred
sexual orientation., did you not read all of my post?

Obviously not.

simplyme

10-22-2009, 12:16 PM

No no...Adam's cool because he can hit high notes. It doesn't matter that he is gay. All that matters is that he is emo, sings ok and entertains.

Don't you go stirring up trouble! LOL.

Bravo! :thumbsup

Timmy

10-22-2009, 12:16 PM

simplyme

10-22-2009, 12:28 PM

He's doing the music for "2012?" (groan!)

I'm with you. What are you doing in 2012? Maybe we can get some others together and we can hang out while evrybody else's world comes to an end.
If Benincasa hadn't been taken up in the (or "a") rapture last month he'd join us for sure.

YEAH that'll be one heck of a revival, :bliss

Well at least ONE song that I know of is for that movie, which I did not even
know about till watching that video and reading a comment there.

AND..people are stupid, what can I say., re 2012.

Ferd

10-22-2009, 12:49 PM

WHAT!!!???!!
Where on earth do you GET that? Sheeesh, talk about taking
things out of bounds!!!

ANYWAY, IF that were even the case, it would not be so
strange, in keeping with a lot of the stuff I've read here on a liberal
bent.

BUT on this topic, NO, its NOT, at least not from me.
Just 'cause I like his music., doesnt' mean I condone his preferred
sexual orientation., did you not read all of my post?

Obviously not.

AL is so increadably gay and was pushed by AI to the fullest. it is sick.

yea, i am intollerant of that getting into the church. I consider APF in some ways "church".

simplyme

10-23-2009, 07:56 AM

AL is so increadably gay and was pushed by AI to the fullest. it is sick.

yea, i am intollerant of that getting into the church. I consider APF in some ways "church".
*ouch*
withholding a comment, re your last sentence
:D
I'm hoping that for this purpose, practice makes perfect.,
albeit less painful, Pplleeaasseee LORD?

notofworks

10-23-2009, 09:31 AM

AL is so increadably gay and was pushed by AI to the fullest. it is sick.

yea, i am intollerant of that getting into the church. I consider APF in some ways "church".

I'll tell you what's sick, Ferd......something is brought up about Adam Lambert and his singing ability and very predictably several of you have this irresistible urge to go straight to his sexual orientation.

I think THAT is sick.

Guess what, Ferd.....It's ALREADY in the church. I don't know if you're a UPC guy or not, but every year at the wonderful General Conference, it's on the stage every year. I'm sure there are many here that can name the names!!!

Nitehawk013

10-23-2009, 09:39 AM

*AQuietPlace*

10-23-2009, 09:53 AM

Last night my fiancee and I were watching a show we have both come to really like, FlashForward. Prior to last night...no mention whatsoever of any homsexuality. Then last night *BAM* lesbian kissing. We both felt ill. It's sick and doesn't need to be on TV.

I agree, and refuse to watch any program that promotes homosexuality as just 'another choice'.

I also won't watch anything that promotes adultery, or sleeping around, between heterosexuals.

DividedThigh

10-23-2009, 09:55 AM

dude looks like a lady, sounds like a song, lol

DividedThigh

10-23-2009, 09:59 AM

DividedThigh

10-23-2009, 10:02 AM

So now we are seeing the gay agenda being promoted here?

not in my house ferd, no tolerance either, call me what you want libs, not you ferd, dt

Nitehawk013

10-23-2009, 10:37 AM

dude looks like a lady, sounds like a song, lol

Ahhh...good old Aerosmith. I remember them vividly from my pre-church days.

simplyme

10-23-2009, 10:55 AM

rgcraig

10-23-2009, 11:27 AM

notofworks

10-23-2009, 12:34 PM

I get very sick of Hollywood parading perverts around liek they should be glorified! AI does it every year.

Last night my fiancee and I were watching a show we have both come to really like, FlashForward. Prior to last night...no mention whatsoever of any homsexuality. Then last night *BAM* lesbian kissing. We both felt ill. It's sick and doesn't need to be on TV.

Is it in the church? Yeah...there are homosexuals in the church. We have at least one who is "out" and he comes almost every week. There is no better place for him to be. However, we don't pull punches about how wrong and abominable it is. We don't bend over backwards to make him feel like his lifestyle is acceptable. And he doesn't flaunt it. If he did...he would be pulled aside by us in leadership and corrected.

It has no business being accepted in the church. The first step to it being accepted though, is that the body become desensitized to how sickening it is. All our people fawning over gays like Lambert and others is part of that desensitizing!

I DON'T think think this is well-said. What I want to know is....WHY does a conversation about Adam Lambert's singing ability AUTOMATICALLY evolve into a discussion of who he sleeps with?

What about "good ole" Steven Tyler from "good ole" Aerosmith? How come people didn't start screaming "He's Immoral!!!" when his name/group was brought up? He has a LONG list of immorality but we're not yelling about that, are we? I think it's perverted and bigoted to automatically go to Adam's sexual orientation but we don't do that with Tyler, Jagger, Presley, etc.

And I think Steven Tyler is great, by the way (musically).

soldoutochrist

10-23-2009, 01:16 PM

To ME he does NOT seem, look., gay.
Really., he could pass.
He doesn't cross dress as far as I've seen either.
His hair is questionable but with all the socalled popular
styles today, one can't tell for sure, I'm from OLD SCHOOL
so ... I don't see hair being as gender-specific anymore as it
once was.

Even when he didn't say anything one way or another on AI, it was pretty obvious if not only from his clothing choices.

http://74.52.71.146/dispatch/blogzone/src/lyceum/wp-content/blogs/24/uploads//m20-adam-lambert-dressed-to-perform-with-kiss.jpg

*AQuietPlace*

10-23-2009, 01:18 PM

I DON'T think think this is well-said. What I want to know is....WHY does a conversation about Adam Lambert's singing ability AUTOMATICALLY evolve into a discussion of who he sleeps with?

What about "good ole" Steven Tyler from "good ole" Aerosmith? How come people didn't start screaming "He's Immoral!!!" when his name/group was brought up? He has a LONG list of immorality but we're not yelling about that, are we? I think it's perverted and bigoted to automatically go to Adam's sexual orientation but we don't do that with Tyler, Jagger, Presley, etc.

And I think Steven Tyler is great, by the way (musically).
It comes up because the media has made a big deal out of it.

But, you're right that a large majority of singers, even in the Christian market, are immoral. Adultery, fornication, multiple partners, homosexuality.... all of it is readily found.

Yes, even ol' Elvis was immoral. :)

DividedThigh

10-23-2009, 01:19 PM

To ME he does NOT seem, look., gay.
Really., he could pass.
He doesn't cross dress as far as I've seen either.
His hair is questionable but with all the socalled popular
styles today, one can't tell for sure, I'm from OLD SCHOOL
so ... I don't see hair being as gender-specific anymore as it
once was.

simply, i aint buyin, no one cant tell he is gay, he is proud of it, yuck, sorry, dt:spit

rgcraig

10-23-2009, 01:20 PM

NOW - there's not a thread on here that sticks to the original purpose of the post. It's what happens when you discuss things.

Ferd

10-23-2009, 01:27 PM

I'll tell you what's sick, Ferd......something is brought up about Adam Lambert and his singing ability and very predictably several of you have this irresistible urge to go straight to his sexual orientation.

I think THAT is sick.

Guess what, Ferd.....It's ALREADY in the church. I don't know if you're a UPC guy or not, but every year at the wonderful General Conference, it's on the stage every year. I'm sure there are many here that can name the names!!!

And I think it is sick that anyone claiming to be a christian gives this junk a pass.

Pressing-On

10-23-2009, 01:30 PM

And I think it is sick that anyone claiming to be a christian gives this junk a pass.

:thumbsup

SOUNWORTHY

10-23-2009, 01:40 PM

:
Originally Posted by Ferd
And I think it is sick that anyone claiming to be a christian gives this junk a pass.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup and :thumbsup again

simplyme

10-23-2009, 03:47 PM

:
Originally Posted by Ferd
And I think it is sick that anyone claiming to be a christian gives this junk a pass.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup and :thumbsup again

What is TRULY sick is that a "christian" can hate another creation
of GOD; instead of praying for him to see the "light" repent and be
saved!! Maybe one day he'd use his GODgiven talent(s) to praise
the LORD even!!!

HUH????

Ahhh but some whom call themselves christians HAVE no love
for others., only them that might be more like them.
good luck!

mfblume

10-23-2009, 06:08 PM

What is TRULY sick is that a "christian" can hate another creation
of GOD; instead of praying for him to see the "light" repent and be
saved!! Maybe one day he'd use his GODgiven talent(s) to praise
the LORD even!!!

HUH????

Ahhh but some whom call themselves christians HAVE no love
for others., only them that might be more like them.
good luck!

Who said that calling something sick is hating another creation of God? I think the same person who referred to something as sick has prayed for and, in fact, loved someone whom they knew was physically sick. Homosexuality is just another sickness. Just because someone says something is sick does not mean they hate the people whom they say are sick.

SOUNWORTHY

10-23-2009, 06:15 PM

What is TRULY sick is that a "christian" can hate another creation
of GOD; instead of praying for him to see the "light" repent and be
saved!! Maybe one day he'd use his GODgiven talent(s) to praise
the LORD even!!!

HUH????

Ahhh but some whom call themselves christians HAVE no love
for others., only them that might be more like them.
good luck!

I was referring to the program as sick. Of course if the individual is not saved they are sick and needs to be healed of their sins. I am sometimes appalled at the things Christians will watch on TV and their computers.

Cindy

10-23-2009, 06:31 PM

http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20091023/News01/910230351/-1/XML

Expanded hate crimes bill passed the Senate to include sexual orientation, tacked on to a defense bill.

simplyme

10-25-2009, 09:41 PM

Who said that calling something sick is hating another creation of God? I think the same person who referred to something as sick has prayed for and, in fact, loved someone whom they knew was physically sick. Homosexuality is just another sickness. Just because someone says something is sick does not mean they hate the people whom they say are sick.
I understood from Ferds post (and 'scuse me if I misunderstood) that the junk being referred to is AL's homosexuality., and a christian that does not pass [but pays any mind to] on AL's homosexuality is SICK., ( meaning not physically ILL but perhaps mentally(?) or spiritually (?) ILL )
You claim that
Homosexuality is just another sickness
I did not even come close to concluding that that from his statement., as I explained above. I have always thought of homosexuality as SIN, not necessarily a sickness ( that is, the type that can be healed by medical means ) although of course GOD CAN deliver someone from it., and ANY sin.

My feel is that AL can and should be prayed for, and not dismissed because we do not condone (nor does GOD) his sin., all sin is SIN., I pray that he be delivered from it one day.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood., I meant no disrespect against FERD or anyone., I was reacting to what I understood. (or misunderstood as the
case may be).

SOUNWORTHY, I did not read your latest post above before posting what I did in the paragraphs above., thanx for clarifying further than even I imagined. ;)
..and forgive me for not understanding, pls. ;)

simplyme

10-25-2009, 09:52 PM

I was referring to the program as sick. Of course if the individual is not saved they are sick and needs to be healed of their sins. I am sometimes appalled at the things Christians will watch on TV and their computers.

:thumbsup

Yeah the flesh can be tempted to indulge in things not good for the soul.

rgcraig

10-28-2009, 07:59 AM

Well.....here's his album cover

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/280481/adam-lamberts-album-cover-xanadu-or-a-xana-dont/

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f108/rgcraig/Lambert.jpg

rgcraig

10-28-2009, 08:16 AM

I wonder if 20 years from now he'll regret this being his first album cover?

Sherri

10-28-2009, 08:26 AM

I wonder if 20 years from now he'll regret this being his first album cover?Oh wow, he looks like a very pretty lady! I liked him better before.

rgcraig

10-28-2009, 10:49 AM

dizzyde

10-28-2009, 11:22 AM

Well.....here's his album cover

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/280481/adam-lamberts-album-cover-xanadu-or-a-xana-dont/

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f108/rgcraig/Lambert.jpg

I wonder if 20 years from now he'll regret this being his first album cover?

Seriously, he is an attractive guy and this album cover just makes him look weird, and I am not even talking about the makeup!

Timmy

10-28-2009, 11:25 AM

Seriously, he is an attractive guy and this album cover just makes him look weird, and I am not even talking about the makeup!

I know exactly what you mean! It's so bizarre. I mean come on. His eyes are different colors! :uhoh

:ursofunny

Ferd

10-28-2009, 12:21 PM

I understood from Ferds post (and 'scuse me if I misunderstood) that the junk being referred to is AL's homosexuality., and a christian that does not pass [but pays any mind to] on AL's homosexuality is SICK., ( meaning not physically ILL but perhaps mentally(?) or spiritually (?) ILL )

Let me clear this up so you want have to infer.

American Idol is quite happy to promote the gay agenda which is itself sick.
By sick, I mean spiritually. Spiritually speaking this is an abomination.

Thus in my humble opinion, AI is equal to the abomination.

That is what I meant by sick..

As Brother Blume has stated, we all have known sick people before, both physically and spiritually. We love them, pray for them but we never enable them to do things that harm them and feed their sickness.

I used to watch AI, some time ago. But long before this season, I recognized this sickness and quit. This past season simply confirms to me what my spirit already told me.

RandyWayne

10-28-2009, 01:30 PM

What happens when you take a grown man, make him up to look like a vulcan with 80's style techno hair, then make him pose like his photo is going to be on a package of toilet paper?

Well.....here's his album cover

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/280481/adam-lamberts-album-cover-xanadu-or-a-xana-dont/

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f108/rgcraig/Lambert.jpg

dizzyde

10-28-2009, 02:49 PM

What happens when you take a grown man, make him up to look like a vulcan with 80's style techno hair, then make him pose like his photo is going to be on a package of toilet paper?

Ok.... it has to be asked. What brand of toilet paper have you been buying???? :hmmm :uhoh :toofunny

rgcraig

10-28-2009, 03:08 PM

Baron1710

10-28-2009, 03:13 PM

Now this is what Deuteronomy 22:5 is all about!!!!!!

It is Boy George all over again.

notofworks

10-28-2009, 06:03 PM

Let me clear this up so you want have to infer.

American Idol is quite happy to promote the gay agenda which is itself sick.
By sick, I mean spiritually. Spiritually speaking this is an abomination.

Thus in my humble opinion, AI is equal to the abomination.

That is what I meant by sick..

As Brother Blume has stated, we all have known sick people before, both physically and spiritually. We love them, pray for them but we never enable them to do things that harm them and feed their sickness.

I used to watch AI, some time ago. But long before this season, I recognized this sickness and quit. This past season simply confirms to me what my spirit already told me.

I don't believe Fox is promoting the so-called "gay agenda." I think they're promoting a network that is attempting to get ratings through a monumentally popular, highly-rated TV show.

It just so happens they have an incredibly GREAT singer who also happens to be gay.

I don't think any of this is sick. I think it's business.

*AQuietPlace*

10-28-2009, 06:05 PM

Now this is what Deuteronomy 22:5 is all about!!!!!!
Yes, it is. The principle of it anyway.

Baron1710

10-28-2009, 06:17 PM

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_04/GeorgeDM3110_468x676.jpgWell.....here's his album cover

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/280481/adam-lamberts-album-cover-xanadu-or-a-xana-dont/

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f108/rgcraig/Lambert.jpg

notofworks

10-28-2009, 06:26 PM

Yes, it is. The principle of it anyway.

I've always enjoyed American Idol. I've only missed one or two shows. But I've never really liked any of the singers enough to buy their stuff. Elliot Yamin was great and Danny Gokey is really good. But other than that......naaaa. Christina Christian from the first year sang "Ain't No Sunshine" like I've never heard.

But Adam Lambert made me jump off the couch. Literally. That first night when he sang "Satisfaction", (and I can't stand Jagger), I yelled at the ending. I jumped off the couch like Tiger Woods had just sunk a putt to win a major. I've never heard anything like that. He was way beyond good. I bought everything he did from iTunes.

I'm saying that to say, I'll buy anything he records. But I'll admit, I'm a little disappointed in that album cover. I have no problem with his gay issues. That's his business. I just appreciate the talent. And I had no problem with the fingernail polish and the makeup. I didn't think that had anything to do with him being gay. There are a lot of metalheads that do that.

But that cover is a bit much. Why? I guess it just makes me a little uncomfortable and it's just a reminder that if I'm serious about reaching people, I still get a little religious occasionally. On the other hand, it's his life, his album, and I just appreciate his talent.

For those of you that are really bothered by his "gayness" and his appearance.....do we REALLY want to start investigating the personal lives, character, and integrity of every recording artist? Look out if you do. It's going to GREATLY reduce the potential field of people you can listen to.....and that includes the Christian Music industry....BIG TIME!!!

Be careful or there will only be 3 or 4 people you can listen to!!! :)

Baron1710

10-28-2009, 06:35 PM

For those of you that are really bothered by his "gayness" and his appearance.....do we REALLY want to start investigating the personal lives, character, and integrity of every recording artist? Look out if you do. It's going to GREATLY reduce the potential field of people you can listen to.....and that includes the Christian Music industry....BIG TIME!!!

Be careful or there will only be 3 or 4 people you can listen to!!! :)

How man folks on here have the Lion King? All those songs on there by Elton John.

Baron1710

10-28-2009, 06:36 PM

http://usuarios.lycos.es/hardrockbuenosaires/caratulas_cds/caratulas_cds/poison_lookwhatthecatdraggedin_front.jpg

Arphaxad

10-28-2009, 07:05 PM

haha, you beat me to it. poison, what a joke.

Metal Church, Grim Reaper, Venom, those was some ugly dudes, oh yeah, can't forget Motorhead, way ugly.

:doggyrun

*AQuietPlace*

10-28-2009, 10:53 PM

I'm saying that to say, I'll buy anything he records. But I'll admit, I'm a little disappointed in that album cover. I have no problem with his gay issues. That's his business. I just appreciate the talent. And I had no problem with the fingernail polish and the makeup. I didn't think that had anything to do with him being gay. There are a lot of metalheads that do that.

But that cover is a bit much. Why? I guess it just makes me a little uncomfortable and it's just a reminder that if I'm serious about reaching people, I still get a little religious occasionally.

I don't consider it being religious, I consider it being biblical. There are some things that are against God's word, period. A man deliberately attempting to look like a woman would be one of those things.

notofworks

10-28-2009, 10:56 PM

I don't consider it being religious, I consider it being biblical. There are some things that are against God's word, period. A man deliberately attempting to look like a woman would be one of those things.

Understood. But I never want my level of comfort to be determined by the righteousness of another person. I want to be more like Jesus who was able to walk into a world filled with everything that he was not. I just have a hard time imagining Jesus being uncomfortable with Adam Lambert.

*AQuietPlace*

10-28-2009, 11:35 PM

Understood. But I never want my level of comfort to be determined by the righteousness of another person. I want to be more like Jesus who was able to walk into a world filled with everything that he was not. I just have a hard time imagining Jesus being uncomfortable with Adam Lambert.
You know, I have some 'unique' people in my family. :) I love them. Their existence doesn't make me uncomfortable just because I don't agree with them.

It's very possible to say flat out - 'I don't agree with what you're doing' - and still love the person.

I have some uncles who have had serious adultery issues. They know that I am completely against adultery. But I still love them. And pray for them.

Disagreeing with sin doesn't have to equal being obnoxious to the person sinning. But there's nothing wrong with that picture of Adam Lambert making you feel uncomfortable. It should. It's against nature. Men aren't supposed to look like women. But that doesn't mean you couldn't have a cup of coffee with him, and lead him to Jesus, if you had the opportunity.

Ferd

10-29-2009, 09:32 AM

I don't believe Fox is promoting the so-called "gay agenda." I think they're promoting a network that is attempting to get ratings through a monumentally popular, highly-rated TV show.

It just so happens they have an incredibly GREAT singer who also happens to be gay.

I don't think any of this is sick. I think it's business.

good for you.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 11:31 AM

You know, I have some 'unique' people in my family. :) I love them. Their existence doesn't make me uncomfortable just because I don't agree with them.

It's very possible to say flat out - 'I don't agree with what you're doing' - and still love the person.

I have some uncles who have had serious adultery issues. They know that I am completely against adultery. But I still love them. And pray for them.

Disagreeing with sin doesn't have to equal being obnoxious to the person sinning. But there's nothing wrong with that picture of Adam Lambert making you feel uncomfortable. It should. It's against nature. Men aren't supposed to look like women. But that doesn't mean you couldn't have a cup of coffee with him, and lead him to Jesus, if you had the opportunity.

I understand. I just don't want my uncomfortable feeling to become "Ick!" rather than "Oh my, what has brought him to this place and how could I help?"

notofworks

10-29-2009, 11:33 AM

good for you.

Very condescending and revelatory of your real feelings. Thanks.

He's still a GREAT singer, I love to hear him and watch him perform, and he made AI worth watching last year. His talent is still the point of this thread. Participating in this thread made me go to iTunes yesterday and re-watch all the videos of all his performances. He's pretty incredible.

"Good for you". There, I'll go ahead and say it for you.

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 12:22 PM

I DID not like the way Adam acted when he went on his hometown visit - - it's just my personal opinion.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 12:52 PM

I DID not like the way Adam acted when he went on his hometown visit - - it's just my personal opinion.

Are you talking about during the show? Can you refresh my memory? I remember him visiting the theatre he performed in as a child and talked to the kids. I thought he was great in that part of the visit.

What part of the visit didn't you like?

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 01:03 PM

Are you talking about during the show? Can you refresh my memory? I remember him visiting the theatre he performed in as a child and talked to the kids. I thought he was great in that part of the visit.

What part of the visit didn't you like?

When they went back home for their visit and the town welcomed them and they had a concert. I picked up on the "prima donna" attitude he had instead of being gracious of those rooting him on and voting for him.

Then that was confirmed in an article that I read about his "demands" he had when he returned for that taping.

He'll be a rock star for sure - - he already thinks he is and I don't really care for people like that - talented or not.

I enjoyed most of his performances, but did get weary of the screaming - - he didn't have to do that EVERY song.

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 01:09 PM

He's getting some grief over the album cover....doesn't seem to be affecting him though. Said it people don't get it, then oh well.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 01:10 PM

When they went back home for their visit and the town welcomed them and they had a concert. I picked up on the "prima donna" attitude he had instead of being gracious of those rooting him on and voting for him.

Then that was confirmed in an article that I read about his "demands" he had when he returned for that taping.

He'll be a rock star for sure - - he already thinks he is and I don't really care for people like that - talented or not.

I enjoyed most of his performances, but did get weary of the screaming - - he didn't have to do that EVERY song.

Hmmm.....I don't remember that. I always perceived the opposite concerning the prima donna stuff. But maybe I'm biased because I see him through the filter of greatly admiring what he's able to do.

The screaming? A lot of people say that. I never heard it as "screaming". What Danny Gokey did once? Not THAT was screaming!:ursofunny

But Adams stuff? He's just hitting insanely high notes and as a singer, that's something I greatly respect. But I suppose it's the old "different strokes" thing, right?

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 01:13 PM

Hmmm.....I don't remember that. I always perceived the opposite concerning the prima donna stuff. But maybe I'm biased because I see him through the filter of greatly admiring what he's able to do.

The screaming? A lot of people say that. I never heard it as "screaming". What Danny Gokey did once? Not THAT was screaming!:ursofunny

But Adams stuff? He's just hitting insanely high notes and as a singer, that's something I greatly respect. But I suppose it's the old "different strokes" thing, right?

Yes, Danny did it ONCE to Adam's every time.....lol! Danny tried too hard and knew he screwed it up.

Adam could carry it off for sure, no doubt about it, but he didn't have to add it to every song - - his voice is phenomenal and he could have hit the high notes smooth as silk a few times instead of rocking it out.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 01:20 PM

Yes, Danny did it ONCE to Adam's every time.....lol! Danny tried too hard and knew he screwed it up.

Adam could carry it off for sure, no doubt about it, but he didn't have to add it to every song - - his voice is phenomenal and he could have hit the high notes smooth as silky a few times instead of rocking it out.

I would think that he did it every week because that's part of what makes him unique, separates him from the others, and gets him votes. I just said that in the present tense....you know what I mean.

And I think it's interesting that he didn't do much of the high stuff in the finale and I think it might have cost him.

And the guy that won......good grief, I've heard 500 people better than that at camp meetings over my lifetime.

And can I just add.....I enjoy talking about how Adam sings rather than who Adam holds hands with.

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 01:28 PM

I would think that he did it every week because that's part of what makes him unique, separates him from the others, and gets him votes. I just said that in the present tense....you know what I mean.

And I think it's interesting that he didn't do much of the high stuff in the finale and I think it might have cost him.

And the guy that won......good grief, I've heard 500 people better than that at camp meetings over my lifetime.

And can I just add.....I enjoy talking about how Adam sings rather than who Adam holds hands with.

God loves Adam, just doesn't love his lifestyle. That's all anyone has been saying.

Well, as a Christian, I was glad to see Chris Allen win. I believe Adam's lifestyle cost him votes - especially when it was between him and two guys that sang in church. Not sure that was a bad thing to happen either.

I also knew Adam would do good anyway being second. Adam didn't lose anything by not winning AI.

Scott Hutchinson

10-29-2009, 01:31 PM

Annoucement there will be no you-tube videos from me on this thread.

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 01:32 PM

Annoucement there will be no you-tube videos from me on this thread.

:ursofunny thanks Scott!

Scott Hutchinson

10-29-2009, 01:34 PM

I can't promise on a another thread but not on this one.
Renda are you growing some magic hair ? God is answering your prayers.

n david

10-29-2009, 01:37 PM

Adam screamed on just about every single song. He was cool and great with the first couple songs ... after that he just got boring. It was as though he thought he needed to screech the highest note possible on every song.

Kris, on the other hand, was wayyyy more talented. Singing, playing guitar/keyboards. He may not hit those girlie high notes, but he can sing circles around Adam.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 01:46 PM

n david

10-29-2009, 01:57 PM

You may very possibly be tone-deaf!!:ursofunny

Like I said....I've heard 500 singers better than Kris. At least.
I'm sure there are better singers than Kris. But comparing Adam to Kris ...

Adam:
high notes
scream

Kris:
Guitar
Keyboard
singing

Again, all Adam had was high notes and his scream ... along with his eyeliner and painted nails.

Between the two, Kris is more talented.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 02:03 PM

God loves Adam, just doesn't love his lifestyle. That's all anyone has been saying.

Well, as a Christian, I was glad to see Chris Allen win. I believe Adam's lifestyle cost him votes - especially when it was between him and two guys that sang in church. Not sure that was a bad thing to happen either.

I also knew Adam would do good anyway being second. Adam didn't lose anything by not winning AI.

Ugh.....now we're gonna fight!:ursofunny

The high-lighted part sounds like the "stay away from the gays, we're better than them" crowd. I just got really fried at the Christian crowd that wouldn't vote for Adam because of his sexual orientation....or perceived orientation, at that point. I just believe that mentality drives gays AWAY from the church rather than attracting them to it.

But I agree that it cost him votes. I just wish it wouldn't have.

And I'm not implying that you think you're better than gay people....I didn't mean that at all. We've done the "Jackson" talk before.

Like I've said before, I have a soft spot in my heart and spirit for gay people. I've gone from being repulsed years ago, to loving to be around them now. For me, it was a spiritual adjustment that needed to be made.

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 02:18 PM

Ugh.....now we're gonna fight!:ursofunny

The high-lighted part sounds like the "stay away from the gays, we're better than them" crowd. I just got really fried at the Christian crowd that wouldn't vote for Adam because of his sexual orientation....or perceived orientation, at that point. I just believe that mentality drives gays AWAY from the church rather than attracting them to it.

But I agree that it cost him votes. I just wish it wouldn't have.

And I'm not implying that you think you're better than gay people....I didn't mean that at all. We've done the "Jackson" talk before.

Like I've said before, I have a soft spot in my heart and spirit for gay people. I've gone from being repulsed years ago, to loving to be around them now. For me, it was a spiritual adjustment that needed to be made.
Well, here's my take on it all.

Christians are looked down on as a whole in the world and I think it was a bright moment for Christians to have two guys representing them. That's all it meant to me. I would have felt the exact same way had Adam been hetrosexual.

n david

10-29-2009, 02:42 PM

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 02:47 PM

notofworks

10-29-2009, 02:54 PM

I'm sure there are better singers than Kris. But comparing Adam to Kris ...

Adam:
high notes
scream

Kris:
Guitar
Keyboard
singing

Again, all Adam had was high notes and his scream ... along with his eyeliner and painted nails.

Between the two, Kris is more talented.

Sounds like, "Jack of all trades; master of none" to me.

And Adam may be a great musician for all we know. He may have chosen not to play an instrument because he's such a good stage performer.

I thought Kris' piano playing was way below average. Good guitarist, though. But as Simon often says, "It's a singing competition."

Oh....the "screaming." I just think it's unobservant to call it "screaming." He was singing high notes, not screaming. My son likes "Underoath." Listen to that. Now THAT'S screaming.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 03:03 PM

Well, here's my take on it all.

Christians are looked down on as a whole in the world and I think it was a bright moment for Christians to have two guys representing them. That's all it meant to me. I would have felt the exact same way had Adam been hetrosexual.

I understand what you're saying.

My take would be, that Christians are looked down on because we laregely deserve it. We're judgmental, exclusive, we've built our own culture, we've said, "we're better than you", we're spiritually arrogant and call ourselves the "Moral Majority" as if everyone else is immoral, our bumper stickers are arrogant, and as it turns out, we're just as human as everyone else.

I didn't see Kris and Danny as representations of my Christ-following. Especially Danny. That church he's from is........well, "interesting" is all I'll say. And there was just as much garbage being passed around on the internet about Danny's moral difficulties as Adam's.

rgcraig

10-29-2009, 03:04 PM

I understand what you're saying.

My take would be, that Christians are looked down on because we laregely deserve it. We're judgmental, exclusive, we've built our own culture, we've said, "we're better than you", we're spiritually arrogant and call ourselves the "Moral Majority" as if everyone else is immoral, our bumper stickers are arrogant, and as it turns out, we're just as human as everyone else.

I didn't see Kris and Danny as representations of my Christ-following. Especially Danny. That church he's from is........well, "interesting" is all I'll say. And there was just as much garbage being passed around on the internet about Danny's moral difficulties as Adam's.

Really? Danny had just lost his wife a few months before AI.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 03:05 PM

Had the contest been between, let's say...

Adam and a christian who sounds like a coyote in a trash compactor when he/she sings ...

My vote would've been for the coyote in a trash compactor sounding person.

Good grief. I'm going to FedEx you some hearing aids. You must be getting up there.

In honor of your complete tone-deafness, I'm going to go listen to "Mad World" by Adam Lambert from AI.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 03:11 PM

Really? Danny had just lost his wife a few months before AI.

Oh yeah. I hate putting this trash on a forum, but a lot was written about his behavior with other girls on the show, other girls in his TBN appearances, other girls in the worship team at his home church, blah, blah, blah.

And he was always called the "Music Director" at his church which wasn't true, at least, according the the church website.

He's a GREAT singer though. I'll admit...I'm just biased against Kris. If it had been Danny Vs. Adam, I'd have been very happy and very legitimate. And I wouldn't have minded if he won But Kris??? Gimme a break. Average at best.

I guess I should add, "In my opinion."

No, heck with that. I'M RIGHT, DANG IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 03:20 PM

Good grief. I'm going to FedEx you some hearing aids. You must be getting up there.

In honor of your complete tone-deafness, I'm going to go listen to "Mad World" by Adam Lambert from AI.Adam overdid the high notes one too many times. :bigbaby

I personally don't think Christians belong on the show.

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 03:22 PM

Oh yeah. I hate putting this trash on a forum, but a lot was written about his behavior with other girls on the show, other girls in his TBN appearances, other girls in the worship team at his home church, blah, blah, blah.

And he was always called the "Music Director" at his church which wasn't true, at least, according the the church website.

He's a GREAT singer though. I'll admit...I'm just biased against Kris. If it had been Danny Vs. Adam, I'd have been very happy and very legitimate. And I wouldn't have minded if he won But Kris??? Gimme a break. Average at best.

I guess I should add, "In my opinion."

No, heck with that. I'M RIGHT, DANG IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What's up with the use of four letter words as expletives?:foottap

notofworks

10-29-2009, 03:29 PM

Adam overdid the high notes one too many times. :bigbaby

I personally don't think Christians belong on the show.

Why not?

notofworks

10-29-2009, 03:31 PM

What's up with the use of four letter words as expletives?:foottap

What are you talking about? I'm on seriously good behavior! :ursofunny

But I'll bet you use the same kinds of words.....euphemisms. No?

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 04:20 PM

What are you talking about? I'm on seriously good behavior! :ursofunny

But I'll bet you use the same kinds of words.....euphemisms. No?I try hard not to use them or any word in that type of context. I seriously try to keep my mouth shut, say "Ouch", or turn it to praise toward God.

A euphemism is a glossed over expletive depending on the context.

But if you say "Dang" in place of some other more objectionable word, I won't be offended, just surprised.

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 04:23 PM

Why not?lots of reasons.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 04:24 PM

I try hard not to use them or any word in that type of context. I seriously try to keep my mouth shut, say "Ouch", or turn it to praise toward God.

A euphemism is a glossed over expletive depending on the context.

So when you were raising your babies, did you say, "Oh, he pooped" or "Oh my! Johnny just had a bowel movement of excrement"?

But the words that "heck" and "dang" are euphemisms for is a LONG way from an expletive.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 04:25 PM

lots of reasons.

Start with 3 reasons.

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 04:35 PM

So when you were raising your babies, did you say, "Oh, he pooped" or "Oh my! Johnny just had a bowel movement of excrement"?Something like that. :)

But the words that "heck" and "dang" are euphemisms for is a LONG way from an expletive.I seriously try not to use any words, even the most benign word, as an expletive. I guess it must be a personal conviction. ;)

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 04:36 PM

Start with 3 reasons.

1) God doesn't receive any glory. It's all about the singer.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 04:42 PM

Something like that. :)

I seriously try not to use any words, even the most benign word, as an expletive. I guess it must be a personal conviction. ;)

That's fine, I understand. I've heard a lot of people express this but the one's I've been able to hang around to some extent use many forms of slang without even realizing it. Maybe you don't, but you'd be the first.

Someone close to me has given many lessons about "Christian Cuss Words" but says, "Dog gone it" all the time.

What about "OMG"? Or "Good Lord" as an exclamation? Or "Geez", or "Sheesh"? Those are substitutions for something that's in the Ten Suggestions.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 04:43 PM

1) God doesn't receive any glory. It's all about the singer.

:ursofunny
Then you better not go to church half the time, or purchase 98% of the Christian CD's and FOR SURE, don't go to your General Conference.

Okay, that's one. Moving on to #2.........

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 04:46 PM

That's fine, I understand. I've heard a lot of people express this but the one's I've been able to hang around to some extent use many forms of slang without even realizing it. Maybe you don't, but you'd be the first.

Someone close to me has given many lessons about "Christian Cuss Words" but says, "Dog gone it" all the time.

What about "OMG"? Or "Good Lord" as an exclamation? Or "Geez", or "Sheesh"? Those are substitutions for something that's in the Ten Suggestions.

Occasionally "oh my goodness!". Does that make you feel better?

Ferd

10-29-2009, 04:47 PM

Very condescending and revelatory of your real feelings. Thanks.

He's still a GREAT singer, I love to hear him and watch him perform, and he made AI worth watching last year. His talent is still the point of this thread. Participating in this thread made me go to iTunes yesterday and re-watch all the videos of all his performances. He's pretty incredible.

"Good for you". There, I'll go ahead and say it for you.

I am glad you picked up on the condescension.

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 04:49 PM

:ursofunny
Then you better not go to church half the time, or purchase 98% of the Christian CD's and FOR SURE, don't go to your General Conference.

Okay, that's one. Moving on to #2.........

2) Because it's all about the singer, imo, it could lead the singer who is a Christian down the wrong path. A path away from God.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 04:52 PM

I am glad you picked up on the condescension.

And you even admit it. You don't like me much, do you? Are you also willing to admit your haughtiness and arrogance?

verb (used without object)
1. to behave as if one is conscious of descending from a superior position, rank, or dignity.

I'd just ask this one favor....please don't fantasize about holding me under the water and gleefully watching me struggle for breath as a calming exercise.

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 05:00 PM

And you even admit it. You don't like me much, do you? Are you also willing to admit your haughtiness and arrogance?

verb (used without object)
1. to behave as if one is conscious of descending from a superior position, rank, or dignity.

I'd just ask this one favor....please don't fantasize about holding me under the water and gleefully watching me struggle for breath as a calming exercise.I could have sworn I read this wonderful self examining post by you a week or so ago. Something about the flesh liking to fight.....can't remember the rest.

The search function works great: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=819185&postcount=300

notofworks

10-29-2009, 05:01 PM

Occasionally "oh my goodness!". Does that make you feel better?

According to Wikipedia, it's a substitution for "Oh my God." See what happens when the language police show up?

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 05:03 PM

According to Wikipedia, it's a substitution for "Oh my God." See what happens when the language police show up?Wiki is wrong. :)

notofworks

10-29-2009, 05:04 PM

2) Because it's all about the singer, imo, it could lead the singer who is a Christian down the wrong path. A path away from God.

True, it could. But the real problem is the person's heart. If his heart is "seeking his own" then the same problem will result if he's singing in church.

On the other hand, if a person is given to God and the Holy Spirit is empowering them as it should, AI could actually give them a platform to express the greatness of the grace of God.

I'll tell you though.....from my experience I've seen more of a problem in this area of some very sincere people who set out to make it in the Christian music industry and were ruined.

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 05:05 PM

Okay, I repent. No more saying "oh my goodness".

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 05:08 PM

True, it could. But the real problem is the person's heart. If his heart is "seeking his own" then the same problem will result if he's singing in church.

On the other hand, if a person is given to God and the Holy Spirit is empowering them as it should, AI could actually give them a platform to express the greatness of the grace of God.

I'll tell you though.....from my experience I've seen more of a problem in this area of some very sincere people who set out to make it in the Christian music industry and were ruined.

Do you believe God would lead someone, a devoted Christian, to AI? I don't.

3) It exalts the flesh not the Spirit.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 05:11 PM

I could have sworn I read this wonderful self examining post by you a week or so ago. Something about the flesh liking to fight.....can't remember the rest.

The search function works great: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=819185&postcount=300

You did.

I appreciate the reminder. I just thought it was interesting that he seemed to take pride in his words of condescension. Most people would run from that. Since my arrival here, Ferd has a pattern of throwing some very vicious verbal spears at people, more than most anyone I've seen on the forum.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 05:16 PM

Wiki is wrong. :)

No way!!!! Come on!:ursofunnyYou got caught, admit it!

Then you're wrong about heck and darn and dang and ...................:D

MY WORD!!!!

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 05:21 PM

You did.

I appreciate the reminder. I just thought it was interesting that he seemed to take pride in his words of condescension. Most people would run from that. Since my arrival here, Ferd has a pattern of throwing some very vicious verbal spears at people, more than most anyone I've seen on the forum.

He may have thought you were being condescending and therefore he his response was condescending. That doesn't make it right but there you have it...Christians aren't always Christlike.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 05:22 PM

Do you believe God would lead someone, a devoted Christian, to AI? I don't.

3) It exalts the flesh not the Spirit.

Wouldn't argue with that one.

But most of life does, even in our careers. It's a constant struggle of the flesh (Romans 7) to exalt itself. If we're not careful, we'll purchase cars, preach sermons, and comb our hair from a motivation of exalting the flesh.

I heard a guy say once, "I've never seen a preacher get drunk or commit adultery in the pulpit. But I've seen them be proud."

Ok, I'll admit, I'm being a bit oppositionary here. Truthfully, if someone came to me under my spiritual authority and asked what I thought about trying out for AI, for the most part, I'd strongly recommend against it. How's that?

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 05:23 PM

No way!!!! Come on!:ursofunnyYou got caught, admit it!

Then you're wrong about heck and darn and dang and ...................:D

MY WORD!!!!:snapout

Hey, you missed my repentance!!!! Is saying "oh My" admissable?

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 05:24 PM

Wouldn't argue with that one.

But most of life does, even in our careers. It's a constant struggle of the flesh (Romans 7) to exalt itself. If we're not careful, we'll purchase cars, preach sermons, and comb our hair from a motivation of exalting the flesh.

I heard a guy say once, "I've never seen a preacher get drunk or commit adultery in the pulpit. But I've seen them be proud."

Ok, I'll admit, I'm being a bit oppositionary here. Truthfully, if someone came to me under my spiritual authority and asked what I thought about trying out for AI, for the most part, I'd strongly recommend against it. How's that?:scoregood

notofworks

10-29-2009, 05:26 PM

He may have thought you were being condescending and therefore he his response was condescending. That doesn't make it right but there you have it...Christians aren't always Christlike.

Here's the post he responded to. Is there any hint of condescension here?

I don't believe Fox is promoting the so-called "gay agenda." I think they're promoting a network that is attempting to get ratings through a monumentally popular, highly-rated TV show.

It just so happens they have an incredibly GREAT singer who also happens to be gay.

I don't think any of this is sick. I think it's business.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 05:29 PM

:thumbsup I really like this post.........................................:scor egood

Well yeah......'cause I finally agreed with you! Really though, unless a person is incredibly well equipped, spiritually, mentally, and emotionally, AI could be a VERY dangerous place.

It's a very dangerous thing when people start seeking fame and fortune.

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 05:31 PM

Well yeah......'cause I finally agreed with you! Really though, unless a person is incredibly well equipped, spiritually, mentally, and emotionally, AI could be a VERY dangerous place.

It's a very dangerous thing when people start seeking fame and fortune.That would be number four.

Timmy

10-29-2009, 05:35 PM

Do you believe God would lead someone, a devoted Christian, to AI? I don't.

3) It exalts the flesh not the Spirit.

Hey! We need you over here:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=26605

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 06:27 PM

Hey! We need you over here:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=26605Thank for the invite, but not tonight. :)

*AQuietPlace*

10-29-2009, 06:53 PM

Something like that. :)

I seriously try not to use any words, even the most benign word, as an expletive. I guess it must be a personal conviction. ;)
Major hijack, but do you believe expletives are forbidden by the Bible, or culture?

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 07:35 PM

Major hijack, but do you believe expletives are forbidden by the Bible, or culture?the bible

*AQuietPlace*

10-29-2009, 07:40 PM

the bible
Which scriptures? And how would you define expletives?

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 07:44 PM

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 08:07 PM

Which scriptures? And how would you define expletives?Swear/curse words and the euphemisms NOW spoke of.

I don't feel like looking up chapter and verse.....

Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, o Lord...

Let no corrupt communication proceed forth from your mouth but that which is good for the use of edifying...

Whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ..

I truly want to honor God and please Him. The thought of bringing reproach on the name of Christ is devastating to me. I try (not saying I'm always perfect at it) to sanctify the Lord in my heart and knowing that He is ever before me constrains me to keep my words and actions pure by His grace.

*AQuietPlace*

10-29-2009, 08:08 PM

There was a gray time between me praying for the first time in many years, truly praying and becoming a Christian. During that gray time, God turned me from being an atheist to becoming more agnostic. One day at work, I remember saying "G.. D..." under my breath because something wasn't going right. A little voice spoke to me, in my mind, and said, "that doesn't sound good." I thought about it for a second and agreed. I decided I wouldn't say that ever again.

When I first became a Christian, I had to say Lord before I said Jesus Christwhen praying or worshipping otherwise I felt like I was taking the name of the Lord in vain...I had used JC so many, many times profanely.

There are so many verse, too numerous to mention, in which we are instructed to put a guard on our tongues/mouths. I want every word I speak to glorify God. (Pray for me, God has a lot of work to do to get me there).
I completely agree about any variation of the Lord's name.

But I wonder about some other words. Whether the Lord is displeased, or whether it's just culture. Because the same word in a different country can be a vulgar cuss word, and in another country be an everyday word. I can't even remember what the word was, but on another message board we were using a particular word, and the posters from Australia were falling off of their seats because it's a really vulgar word there.

Now, of course, I don't believe you should be offensive to your culture. But if I take a word that is offensive, and change it to a word that's not offensive, does that displease God? For instance - "Oh, shoot!" Or... n.o.w.'s favorite slang word? ;)

mizpeh

10-29-2009, 08:12 PM

I completely agree about any variation of the Lord's name.

But I wonder about some other words. Whether the Lord is displeased, or whether it's just culture. Because the same word in a different country can be a vulgar cuss word, and in another country be an everyday word. I can't even remember what the word was, but on another message board we were using a particular word, and the posters from Australia were falling off of their seats because it's a really vulgar word there.

Now, of course, I don't believe you should be offensive to your culture. But if I take a word that is offensive, and change it to a word that's not offensive, does that displease God? For instance - "Oh, shoot!" Or... n.o.w.'s favorite slang word? ;)Like I said to NOW, it's something I try not to do. It must be a conviction for me. And others using euphemisms in place of expletives doesn't bother me but it's not something I want to do anymore.

*AQuietPlace*

10-29-2009, 08:16 PM

Like I said to NOW, it's something I try not to do. It must be a conviction for me. And others using euphemisms in place of expletives doesn't bother me but it's not something I want to do anymore.
I understand.

It's just something I wonder about a lot because my husband is much more sensitive to words than I am. I don't care for vulgar, or the Lord's name being taken in vain, but other than that it just doesn't really bother me much.

notofworks

10-29-2009, 08:17 PM

There was a gray time between me praying for the first time in many years, truly praying and becoming a Christian. During that gray time, God turned me from being an atheist to becoming an agnostic. One day at work, I remember saying "G.. D..." under my breath because something wasn't going right. A little voice spoke to me, in my mind, and said, "that doesn't sound good." I thought about it for a second and agreed. I decided I wouldn't say that ever again.

When I first became a Christian, I had to say Lord before I said Jesus Christwhen praying or worshipping otherwise I felt like I was taking the name of the Lord in vain...I had used JC so many, many times profanely.

There are so many verse, too numerous to mention, in which we are instructed to put a guard on our tongues/mouths. I want every word I speak to glorify God. (Pray for me, God has a lot of work to do to get me there).

I respect that, especially with your experience. I can tolerate bad language, and I'm speaking of the s, f, type stuff. But when someone says, "Jesus" in an angry tone, I feel like I'm gonna cry. So I hear what you're saying and how your experience would cause you to really watch yourself.

I don't, however, have a problem with the general stuff as far as it being a sin. I think it's socially unacceptable in most situations, but as far as the soul goes, no biggie to me. In many areas it has become a part of culture. But no one is offended by clean language and bad language will always limit one's audience. So wisdom says, "Clean it up."

notofworks

10-29-2009, 08:18 PM

I understand.

It's just something I wonder about a lot because my husband is much more sensitive to words than I am. I don't care for vulgar, or the Lord's name being taken in vain, but other than that it just doesn't really bother me much.

The constant barrage of vulgar, sexual stuff is disgusting.

Hey, where'd Adam go?

*AQuietPlace*

10-29-2009, 08:21 PM

The constant barrage of vulgar, sexual stuff is disgusting.

Hey, where'd Adam go?

Definitely.

But my husband really dislikes even the very, very mild stuff. :) He gets onto our kids for saying 'shoot'. :)

Which is fine, that's his thing, but it makes for a lot of interesting discussion between the two of us. (especially when the kids picked up 'shoot' from me. :blush)

We've let Adam ride off into the sunset....

notofworks

10-29-2009, 08:30 PM

Definitely.

But my husband really dislikes even the very, very mild stuff. :) He gets onto our kids for saying 'shoot'. :)

Which is fine, that's his thing, but it makes for a lot of interesting discussion between the two of us. (especially when the kids picked up 'shoot' from me. :blush)

We've let Adam ride off into the sunset....

:ursofunnyThat's the worst part, huh?

simplyme

10-29-2009, 10:06 PM

Ugh.....now we're gonna fight!:ursofunny

The high-lighted part sounds like the "stay away from the gays, we're better than them" crowd. I just got really fried at the Christian crowd that wouldn't vote for Adam because of his sexual orientation....or perceived orientation, at that point. I just believe that mentality drives gays AWAY from the church rather than attracting them to it.

But I agree that it cost him votes. I just wish it wouldn't have.

And I'm not implying that you think you're better than gay people....I didn't mean that at all. We've done the "Jackson" talk before.

Like I've said before, I have a soft spot in my heart and spirit for gay people. I've gone from being repulsed years ago, to loving to be around them now. For me, it was a spiritual adjustment that needed to be made.
Same here, they are people too, ya know., and some are really nice, some aren't, but most all Ive met are great people and love life., mostly I feel kinda sorry for them to be so confused, and then have to take bad treatment from others. they have feelings and souls too.
I try not to think of what they do behind closed doors {its their personal
info} and treat them as anyone else, no one has it all right, whether they admit it or not. I also feel sorry for them that probably don't know that
JESUS forgives AND delivers! Some don't know that that is possible., and others do, yet reject Him anyway., well isn't that just like mankind, period?

notofworks

10-29-2009, 11:31 PM

n david

10-30-2009, 07:04 AM

Good grief. I'm going to FedEx you some hearing aids. You must be getting up there.

In honor of your complete tone-deafness, I'm going to go listen to "Mad World" by Adam Lambert from AI.
You missed the point. Here's another example...

Had the contest been between Adam and a Mime or mute person ...

I would have voted for the Mime or mute person.

ie ... Adam had no chance of getting my vote.

notofworks

10-30-2009, 09:14 AM

You missed the point. Here's another example...

Had the contest been between Adam and a Mime or mute person ...

I would have voted for the Mime or mute person.

ie ... Adam had no chance of getting my vote.

I believe I have the point very well, and it is, you wouldn't vote for Adam. I get that!

But here's my point that you didn't address...Maybe Adam is a great musician and chose not to play. We really don't know. And I don't think Kris playing instruments added anything. His piano playing was below average, but he did well on the guitar. For me, he was still an average singer at best.

If you wanna jump on Danny's bandwagon, then I'll be with you. He's a GREAT singer. But Kris? He carried a tune. That's about it.

I know a guy who plays 18 instruments. He even gave me a video tape to prove it. And he's HORRIBLE at all of them. You talked earlier about Kris being more talented and cited his musicianship.

So let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter.....I think Adam is great! You don't! :D

rgcraig

10-30-2009, 09:27 AM

I was hoping Danny would win, but he blew it trying to change up his stage presence and do that weird stuff on that one song. Man, did he blow it. I enjoyed hearing him sing a lot more than Kris.

n david

10-30-2009, 10:10 AM

Oh yeah. I hate putting this trash on a forum, but a lot was written about his behavior with other girls on the show, other girls in his TBN appearances, other girls in the worship team at his home church, blah, blah, blah.

And he was always called the "Music Director" at his church which wasn't true, at least, according the the church website.
I was unable to find what you posted above. The only thing I found negative about DG was an post in an AI forum on AOL from an annonymous source who states they were a former member who was removed from the music team, doesn't say why. Annonymous mostly blasted the church, but wrote that DG was the paid music leader; always late; berated experienced musicians over mistakes ... nothing about behavior with girls.

Google is generally good at digging up info, as is another search engine I use, but wasn't able to find anything you posted.

Please provide a source for the bolded part. :thumbsup

notofworks

10-30-2009, 10:52 AM

I was unable to find what you posted above. The only thing I found negative about DG was an post in an AI forum on AOL from an annonymous source who states they were a former member who was removed from the music team, doesn't say why. Annonymous mostly blasted the church, but wrote that DG was the paid music leader; always late; berated experienced musicians over mistakes ... nothing about behavior with girls.

Google is generally good at digging up info, as is another search engine I use, but wasn't able to find anything you posted.

Please provide a source for the bolded part. :thumbsup

I found one that I hadn't seen before and it's from a former church member. I'll send it to you by PM. I'm not gonna post it. If you wanna find more, you can dig yourself. It's been all over the internet. In retrospect, I wish I hadn't said anything. I was attempting to make a point that Adam wasn't the only one with rumored moral issues and in the process, I mentioned Danny's rumors. I regret that.

n david

10-30-2009, 11:18 AM

I found one that I hadn't seen before and it's from a former church member. I'll send it to you by PM. I'm not gonna post it. If you wanna find more, you can dig yourself. It's been all over the internet. In retrospect, I wish I hadn't said anything. I was attempting to make a point that Adam wasn't the only one with rumored moral issues and in the process, I mentioned Danny's rumors. I regret that.
Got it, replied back.

1) It's from an annonymous source who left the church and obviously has an axe to grind. I don't place much trust in one annonymous source who's a bitter, angry ex-member of that church. Sorry.

2) In searching Google I found one link to the letter. You sent me a link to another site with the same letter, word for word. Other than that I'm not able to find anything else about it.

3) With both your link and mine, I only saw one sentence that referenced DG's conduct with other girls ... it stated "Gokey was very flirtatuous with all the female singers." Yet you posted: his behavior with other girls on the show, other girls in his TBN appearances, other girls in the worship team at his home church Could you provide the source that reference his behavior with girls on TBN and AI, since I've yet to find it?

4) As far as being the music leader vs what the church website has. The article you sent me a link for, as well as other news articles all reference DG as the worship leader. The bitter, ex-member, annonymous individual stated as well that DG was the paid music leader.

Perhaps you're right about not bringing it up. Unfortunately there's really nothing to back up the statements or verify the word of this bitter, annonymous poster who was a former member of the church.

dizzyde

10-30-2009, 11:27 AM

Same here, they are people too, ya know., and some are really nice, some aren't, but most all Ive met are great people and love life., mostly I feel kinda sorry for them to be so confused, and then have to take bad treatment from others. they have feelings and souls too.
I try not to think of what they do behind closed doors {its their personal
info} and treat them as anyone else, no one has it all right, whether they admit it or not. I also feel sorry for them that probably don't know that
JESUS forgives AND delivers! Some don't know that that is possible., and others do, yet reject Him anyway., well isn't that just like mankind, period?

This is exactly how I feel, I have never understood why Christian people get so repulsed by homosexuals, yet they do not react the same way to a heterosexual living an immoral and perverse lifestyle.

Oh, they will be concerned for them and decry their lifestyle but the repulsion and almost hatred? I just don't see it, and I don't understand.

The way I read the Bible, sin is sin. And lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, hatred, bitterness, etc., all of these things are called sin, and they are all outside of the law of God. But we are called to love the sinner.

I am not saying we need to hang out with them all the time, or even let them influence us in any way. I DO think we are supposed to love them, care for them, minister to them and try to be light to them.

I have all kinds of friends, from all kinds of backgrounds, and a lot of them commit any variety of sin on a daily basis. And they all know that I am Christian, and that I live a committed life before God. But I would guarantee you, that all of them, homosexuals included, would tell you without a doubt, that they know that I care for them, and that I do not judge them. That is not my job.

My daughter has numerous homosexual co-workers, and she has honest discussions with them on what she believes the Bible teaches. But she always makes sure that they know that she loves them, and that she does not judge them, how they live is between them and God.

Because ultimately, isn't that how the Bible teaches that men will know that we are His? By our love for our fellow man?

notofworks

10-30-2009, 11:46 AM

Got it, replied back.

1) It's from an annonymous source who left the church and obviously has an axe to grind. I don't place much trust in one annonymous source who's a bitter, angry ex-member of that church. Sorry.

2) In searching Google I found one link to the letter. You sent me a link to another site with the same letter, word for word. Other than that I'm not able to find anything else about it.

3) With both your link and mine, I only saw one sentence that referenced DG's conduct with other girls ... it stated "Gokey was very flirtatuous with all the female singers." Yet you posted: Could you provide the source that reference his behavior with girls on TBN and AI, since I've yet to find it?

4) As far as being the music leader vs what the church website has. The article you sent me a link for, as well as other news articles all reference DG as the worship leader. The bitter, ex-member, annonymous individual stated as well that DG was the paid music leader.

Perhaps you're right about not bringing it up. Unfortunately there's really nothing to back up the statements or verify the word of this bitter, annonymous poster who was a former member of the church.

I did some more looking even though I said I wouldn't and found more stuff, but I'm gonna just back out at this point. I'll retract.

In the attempt to make a point in Adam's defense, I referenced rumors about Danny. "Never tear someone else down to build someone up." I broke that principle. And the truth is, I really don't care if the stuff about Danny is true and the same is true with Adam.

I'm just tired of Adam's name being drug through the mud. The truth is, we really don't know any of these people. Serial killers have been on church boards, so what do we really know about anyone. So I just like to listen to them and enjoy them.

Adam can be anything he wants to be as well as Danny. There was even dirt on Kris cooperating with the show to suppress TV time for his wife in order to get the teeny-girl vote. It all gets ridiculous.

So if you're not satisfied with what you see on the internet, that's fine. I'm wrong. I retract.

n david

10-30-2009, 12:01 PM

I'm just tired of Adam's name being drug through the mud. The truth is, we really don't know any of these people. Serial killers have been on church boards, so what do we really know about anyone. So I just like to listen to them and enjoy them.
If, by being drug through the mud, you mean people commenting on Adam's sinful lifestyle ... he's very blatant and open about it. It's not some rumor posted annonymously on a message board or blog, it's something he himself is blatant about.

We can leave it alone though. :thumbsup

notofworks

10-30-2009, 12:52 PM

If, by being drug through the mud, you mean people commenting on Adam's sinful lifestyle ... he's very blatant and open about it. It's not some rumor posted annonymously on a message board or blog, it's something he himself is blatant about.

We can leave it alone though. :thumbsup

Come on. If you don't like Adam, just say you don't like Adam. To assume that he was the ONLY one of those people with a sinful lifestyle would be ill-advised. It's very possible that one or more of the others had moral issues with someone of the opposite sex. That is NO DIFFERENT than someone having a moral issue with someone of the same sex.

At the time Adam's name was being "drug through the mud", he hadn't admitted his sexual orientation. Eventually, he did (although he's been seen, even filmed, on several dates with girls). But I DON'T expect any on the show to willfully admit moral problems with the same sex. That's a "closet" no one EVER emerges from...not willingly, anyway.

Why don't you just leave Adam alone? You don't like him. You don't like his singing and you don't like his lifestyle. You really don't know the "lifestyles" of the others but you're focusing on Adam because he's more feminine than you'd like.

I'm sure you're gonna fire back, but I remain disappointed that SO many people have focused animosity on Adam based solely on his sexual orientation.

The Mrs

11-23-2009, 01:00 AM

http://www.adamofficial.com/sites/alambert6/files/adamlambert_fyebranding_os-fulldate-200x200.jpg

UPDATE: Paint Your Fingernails Black/ Change Your Avatar for Adam (http://www.adamofficial.com/us/news/update-paint-your-fingernails-black-change-your-avatar-adam)

Glamberts the world over are banding together to paint their fingernails black to celebrate the release of “For Your Entertainment”.

Why, yes...yes I did! :lol

And yes, it looks weird! Not used to color on my nails! :toofunny

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 06:46 AM

Neck

11-23-2009, 07:01 AM

I NEVER miss an episode of AI and I can't think of this name either!

But Adam Lambert is the BEST I've seen EVER on the show. I'll buy anything he records. I think he could be iconish like Presley, Jackson, the Beatles. Hopefully, he doesn't self-destruct.

Chris Allen beat him and he will not be bigger than Kelly C, Daughtry or Carrie Underwood.

n david

11-23-2009, 07:03 AM

I was going to bump this thread and ask if anyone heard/saw him on the American Music Awards last night.

IT was awful. It was vulgar, but even past that where did his talent go? He sang terrible - - sounded extremely amateur. He was much better on AI.
Didn't see it. Turned it off during Rhianna's performance.

Most of the performances I saw were vulgar and plain awful.

Neck

11-23-2009, 07:05 AM

Oh yeah. I hate putting this trash on a forum, but a lot was written about his behavior with other girls on the show, other girls in his TBN appearances, other girls in the worship team at his home church, blah, blah, blah.

And he was always called the "Music Director" at his church which wasn't true, at least, according the the church website.

He's a GREAT singer though. I'll admit...I'm just biased against Kris. If it had been Danny Vs. Adam, I'd have been very happy and very legitimate. And I wouldn't have minded if he won But Kris??? Gimme a break. Average at best.

I guess I should add, "In my opinion."

No, heck with that. I'M RIGHT, DANG IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was the worship leader when he tried out for AI. He was an original member of his Church Faith Builders. He was the music director at the Beloit church, Faith Builders has 2 churches one in Beloit, WI and one in Milwaukee. Jeff Pruitt pastors them both, we visited FB in Milw several times Danny is well respected at his church....

Neck

11-23-2009, 07:07 AM

notofworks

11-23-2009, 07:15 AM

Thye entire AMA was a waste of time with very little talent to show. I thought Daughtry and many of the country groups were OK. I am not a country fan, but the rest of the artist were ........!

I am officially and proudly the president of the AFF Adam Lambert Fan Club. I recorded the AMA show just to see his performance. So this morning, I found it, and......

ugh. Not what I hoped to see. If this is the direction he's going to take his career, well.........I might have to resign. And yeah, RG, he missed a lot of notes.

OH.......that fall thing he did? That didn't look planned. He stopped singing. I'm looking on the internet for something about it and haven't found anything.

But along with being the official blah, blah, blah, I'm officially disappointed.

n david

11-23-2009, 07:38 AM

Did he at least do his trademark, high-pitched scream?

StillStanding

11-23-2009, 07:45 AM

I was watching Sunday night Football, when my wife yelled for me to come and watch Adam Lambert! That is three minutes that I can never get back!

Absolutely awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 08:13 AM

Thye entire AMA was a waste of time with very little talent to show. I thought Daughtry and many of the country groups were OK. I am not a country fan, but the rest of the artist were ........!

I agree!

All the women performers sounded alike (except Whitney) - - it's almost more about the dance performance than the singing anymore.

Ferd

11-23-2009, 08:21 AM

I have a wooden stake handy...

can we drive it thru the heart of this thread?

please?

notofworks

11-23-2009, 08:28 AM

I agree!

All the women performers sounded alike (except Whitney) - - it's almost more about the dance performance than the singing anymore.

I just watched Lady Gaga, Black-eyed Peas, etc. This is music? Ugh. I never wanted to sound like an old fart, but dang it, where's the real music? What an insult.

Ferd

11-23-2009, 08:30 AM

I just watched Lady Gaga, Black-eyed Peas, etc. This is music? Ugh. I never wanted to sound like an old fart, but dang it, where's the real music? What an insult.

it died with Richie Vallens?

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 08:33 AM

I am officially and proudly the president of the AFF Adam Lambert Fan Club. I recorded the AMA show just to see his performance. So this morning, I found it, and......

ugh. Not what I hoped to see. If this is the direction he's going to take his career, well.........I might have to resign. And yeah, RG, he missed a lot of notes.

OH.......that fall thing he did? That didn't look planned. He stopped singing. I'm looking on the internet for something about it and haven't found anything.

But along with being the official blah, blah, blah, I'm officially disappointed.

Thank you!

I think the fall was an accident too - - - I kept waiting for him to redeem himself and he never did - - it was totally awful!!!

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 08:35 AM

I just watched Lady Gaga, Black-eyed Peas, etc. This is music? Ugh. I never wanted to sound like an old fart, but dang it, where's the real music? What an insult.

I didn't think it was my age, and it wasn't - there was NO talent!!!!

KWSS1976

11-23-2009, 08:50 AM

While I don't care for the music I have to say they did have some good stage acts..

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 08:52 AM

While I don't care for the music I have to say they did have some good stage acts..

But, it's not the American Good Stage Act awards - - - no one can just stand there and sing a pure, music-filled song. They have to put on a whole show in one song. Are they hiding the fact that they can't sing?

I mean, goodness Rihanna can barely carry a tune in a bucket, but she's pretty, so let's make her a singer. Ugh!

Ferd

11-23-2009, 09:16 AM

I watched The Shooter and 10,000 BC instead. Then followed that up with the Next Iron Chef finale (recorded)...

much better use of "TV time".

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 09:17 AM

I watched The Shooter and 10,000 BC instead. Then followed that up with the Next Iron Chef finale (recorded)...

much better use of "TV time".

I agree Ferd.

I watched to see Whitney Houston and it was painful to wait for her.

I would switch over to the ballgame during the unbearable songs just hoping the Nielson ratings would register the viewing going down.

n david

11-23-2009, 09:23 AM

How did Whitney do? I wanted to see her, but got tired of watching the trash halfway thru Rhianna's performance.

notofworks

11-23-2009, 09:28 AM

But, it's not the American Good Stage Act awards - - - no one can just stand there and sing a pure, music-filled song. They have to put on a whole show in one song. Are they hiding the fact that they can't sing?

I mean, goodness Rihanna can barely carry a tune in a bucket, but she's pretty, so let's make her a singer. Ugh!

Exactly!!! Recently, I recorded two PBS specials...Chris Botti and then David Foster. Botti had Steven Tyler sing "Smile". Now THAT'S music. Wow. And Foster had Brian McNight sing "After the love is gone". Wow. And then, McNight & Josh Groban sang, "Bridge over troubled waters." That was music. Where were they last night? The pop music scene is just awful.

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 09:29 AM

How did Whitney do? I wanted to see her, but got tired of watching the trash halfway thru Rhianna's performance.

She did okay - she'll never be her old self again. Hopefully, the more she continues to sing she'll build up her endurance again.

She paused at the end for a bit and her silence spoke volumes, she knows she's getting a second change.

She looks good again - - healthier.

Nitehawk013

11-23-2009, 10:07 AM

Exactly!!! Recently, I recorded two PBS specials...Chris Botti and then David Foster. Botti had Steven Tyler sing "Smile". Now THAT'S music. Wow. And Foster had Brian McNight sing "After the love is gone". Wow. And then, McNight & Josh Groban sang, "Bridge over troubled waters." That was music. Where were they last night? The pop music scene is just awful.

PBS introduced me to Robert Randolph and the Family. Now THAT was some great music. That man can flat out jam on the guitar.

Josh Groban is the best singer on the scene right now IMO. Amazing music.

Steven Tyler/Aerosmith is my all time fav band. I know I know...they are FAR form Christian. I get it. But...I loved them from my old sinner days an dtheir style is still what gets me excited. I love the rock/blues mix they use.

I love to listen to McKnight. Great singer.

NONE of the talent the above posess was on show last night at that "awards" show. It was a joke.

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 10:10 AM

Michael McDonald
Gladys Knight
Brian McKnight
Mark Brussard
endless list of people that know what REAL music is!

n david

11-23-2009, 10:47 AM

Adam Lambert's AMA performance track, "For Your Entertainment," could not have been less ironic. "Oh, do you know what you got into?/Can you handle what I’m ’bout to do?/‘Cause it’s about to get rough for you/I’m here for your entertainment."

Rough is one word for it. Dancers in leather harnesses and jackboots. A moment of simulated man-on-man oral sex (the lyrics curiously bleeped out during that moment, although the actual lyrics don't contain any expletives). Fondling of a female dancer's nether regions. Spit-swapping [kissing] with his [male] keyboardist.

Was going to watch on YouTube, but after reading this review, I think I'll skip it.

Disgusting. Not sure how anyone remotely apostolic could be a fan of this guy.

Source (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2009/11/adam_lamberts_ama_performance.html)

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 10:50 AM

Was going to watch on YouTube, but after reading this review, I think I'll skip it.

Disgusting. Not sure how anyone remotely apostolic could be a fan of this guy.

Source (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2009/11/adam_lamberts_ama_performance.html)

It was vulgar and disgusting!! I think he's painting himself into a corner of the market if this is what he wants to portray.

Oh course, Rihanna's wasn't much better.

Nitehawk013

11-23-2009, 11:11 AM

Lady Gaga is the same way. All shock and flash, no talent.

They act like they want to be the new Marilyn Manson.

RandyWayne

11-23-2009, 11:27 AM

I watched The Shooter and 10,000 BC instead. Then followed that up with the Next Iron Chef finale (recorded)...

much better use of "TV time".

<hijack alert>
The best part was watching Chef Michael Simon and Jeffrey arguing back and forth at the judges table! And I wonder why Bobby Flay didn't say anything during the whole process......

Timmy

11-23-2009, 11:29 AM

The best part was watching Chef Michael Simon and Jeffrey arguing back and forth at the judges table! And I wonder why Bobby Flay didn't say anything during the whole process......

Probably grumpy from missing the American Music Awards.

notofworks

11-23-2009, 11:40 AM

PBS introduced me to Robert Randolph and the Family. Now THAT was some great music. That man can flat out jam on the guitar.

Josh Groban is the best singer on the scene right now IMO. Amazing music.

Steven Tyler/Aerosmith is my all time fav band. I know I know...they are FAR form Christian. I get it. But...I loved them from my old sinner days and their style is still what gets me excited. I love the rock/blues mix they use.

I love to listen to McKnight. Great singer.

NONE of the talent the above posess was on show last night at that "awards" show. It was a joke.

I can't help but like Steven Tyler, regardless of his beliefs or lack thereof. I've been a little grouchy about my progressing age and I'm not happy at all with noticing that my youth is now in my rear-view mirror. But I re-watched, the other day, Steven Tyler sing "Smile" with Chris Botti and just the way the guy walks in.....wow!!! And he's 62!!! I"m a long way from 62, but I've decided that when I'm 62, I wanna be just like Steven Tyler......well, the Christ-following version of Steven Tyler! (specially the hair!!!)

And Robert Randolph is amazing!!!

notofworks

11-23-2009, 11:42 AM

Michael McDonald
Gladys Knight
Brian McKnight
Mark Brussard
endless list of people that know what REAL music is!

Michael McDonald makes me just wanna quit. And what Brian McKnight did with Josh Groban in the PBS special when they sang "Bridge over Troubled Waters" just wasn't fair.

notofworks

11-23-2009, 11:46 AM

It was vulgar and disgusting!! I think he's painting himself into a corner of the market if this is what he wants to portray.

Oh course, Rihanna's wasn't much better.

You know what a LOUD supporter of Adam Lambert I've been. So you can imagine how bad the crow tastes that I'm eating this morning. Man, I was disappointed. He either needs to get some different advice, or he needs some advice, period.

The anticipation for him was amazing. The entire audience stood just when they announced him. He's got the greatest opportunity in music history to be huge!! But he's blowing it with that garbage.

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 11:49 AM

You know what a LOUD supporter of Adam Lambert I've been. So you can imagine how bad the crow tastes that I'm eating this morning. Man, I was disappointed. He either needs to get some different advice, or he needs some advice, period.

The anticipation for him was amazing. The entire audience stood just when they announced him. He's got the greatest opportunity in music history to be huge!! But he's blowing it with that garbage.

And right now his song is at #84 - - disappointment to many reviewers.

I kept trying to look past all the garbage to hear his voice last night and it was terrible too!! And who was that singing with him "louder" even at times - - turn the backup mikes down a bit - - especially if they are going to sound that bad.

notofworks

11-23-2009, 12:00 PM

And right now his song is at #84 - - disappointment to many reviewers.

I kept trying to look past all the garbage to hear his voice last night and it was terrible too!! And who was that singing with him "louder" even at times - - turn the backup mikes down a bit - - especially if they are going to sound that bad.

That was the worst part of all, listening to how many notes that he didn't come close to hitting. Wow. And you know what? I think he knew he was bombing. The more he screwed up, the louder and higher he attempted to get which is a common bad habit for singers when they miss it. You feel like you have to "make up for it."

I'm just really sad. I've never enjoyed music like his American Idol stuff. But this? Ouch.

SOUNWORTHY

11-23-2009, 12:05 PM

He has an amazing voice!

So does Satan. I can't emagine any Christian let alone Apostolic watching that junk. Would you watch it with Jesus sitting next to you(and He is)?

notofworks

11-23-2009, 12:16 PM

So does Satan. I can't emagine any Christian let alone Apostolic watching that junk. Would you watch it with Jesus sitting next to you(and He is)?

Yep, I would, but thanks for judging. Some of it I'd turn off just as I did this morning when watching the recording. And I don't need to say, "If he were sitting there" because he lives IN me, so I don't need the hypothetical of him sitting next to me. Him being IN ME is much better than sitting next to me.

n david

11-23-2009, 12:22 PM

Yep, I would, but thanks for judging. Some of it I'd turn off just as I did this morning when watching the recording. And I don't need to say, "If he were sitting there" because he lives IN me, so I don't need the hypothetical of him sitting next to me. Him being IN ME is much better than sitting next to me.
Either one of two things has happened ... either Jesus has left the building, or you must have a headache from ignoring him while cheering for the man who embodies everything the one allegedly living in you is against.

Timmy

11-23-2009, 12:25 PM

Sigh.

Truthseeker

11-23-2009, 12:26 PM

Amazing what church folks will justify.

notofworks

11-23-2009, 12:31 PM

Either one of two things has happened ... either Jesus has left the building, or you must have a headache from ignoring him while cheering for the man who embodies everything the one allegedly living in you is against.

I agree, Timmy. Sigh.

I'd respond but I'm thinking of several things I could better do with my fingers, like pick my nose.

Ferd

11-23-2009, 12:50 PM

Things that would be better for a human being to do than watch those music awards.

smell skunk
eat road kill
clean comodes
stab ones self with an ice pick...

I can go on...

tamor

11-23-2009, 01:02 PM

Things that would be better for a human being to do than watch those music awards.

smell skunk
eat road kill
clean comodes
stab ones self with an ice pick...

I can go on...

Interesting..... I wonder what stabbing yourself with an ice pick would feel llike.....

Tina

11-23-2009, 01:14 PM

Interesting..... I wonder what stabbing yourself with an ice pick would feel llike.....

I don't know, but I know what accidently stabbing yourself with a toothpick feels like. That is bad enough... the ice pick would have to be worse. :D

rgcraig

11-23-2009, 01:24 PM

Interesting..... I wonder what stabbing yourself with an ice pick would feel llike.....

Sounds like Adam did last night!

RandyWayne

11-23-2009, 01:24 PM

So does Satan. I can't emagine any Christian let alone Apostolic watching that junk. Would you watch it with Jesus sitting next to you(and He is)?

The REAL question is, would you watch this with your spouse sitting next to you?

MawMaw

11-23-2009, 02:12 PM

Interesting..... I wonder what stabbing yourself with an ice pick would feel llike.....

Sounds like Adam did last night!

:ursofunny

I'd never heard of Adam Lambert until I read this thread. That so called musical talent is going dipper into the pit it seems.

Ferd

11-23-2009, 02:27 PM

Interesting..... I wonder what stabbing yourself with an ice pick would feel llike.....

having had a few kitchen accidents, I suspect it aint good.... but better than suffering thru some godless montage of hedonistic performers like what apparently happened last night....

Michael Phelps

11-23-2009, 03:52 PM

SOUNWORTHY

11-23-2009, 04:20 PM

The REAL question is, would you watch this with your spouse sitting next to you?

No, for two reasons. She wouldn't watch it and neither would I even if I was alone because it is absolute filth produced by the scum of the earth.

notofworks

11-23-2009, 05:33 PM

HUH?:nah

Is that all you've got......"HUH"? Der.

Read what I've written in the last 3 or four pages.

mizpeh

11-23-2009, 06:28 PM

Is that all you've got......"HUH"? Der.

Read what I've written in the last 3 or four pages.You might think about reading what MP has written over the last 2 years (and don't forget all of his swimming medals).

tamor

11-23-2009, 06:43 PM

You might think about reading what MP has written over the last 2 years (and don't forget all of his swimming medals).

:toofunny

notofworks

11-23-2009, 06:57 PM

You might think about reading what MP has written over the last 2 years (and don't forget all of his swimming medals).

:ursofunnyNever heard of him. Swimming medals? Is that worldly sports and entertainment? I always pray instead of watching that stuff!

Look....I've had my crow today. Adam was horrible. Besides the obvious disgusting stuff he did, he sang terribly. I'm bitterly disappointed and I totally retract what I said...which was, "I'll buy anything he releases." Uh, no. I won't. I never expected this. I feel betrayed.

Jason B

11-23-2009, 08:48 PM

Amazing what church folks will justify.

No doubt, but if there is, simply read the "New Moon" thread.

Jason B

11-23-2009, 08:50 PM

no, for two reasons. She wouldn't watch it and neither would i even if i was alone because it is absolute filth produced by the scum of the earth.

p r e a c h !

The Mrs

11-23-2009, 09:22 PM

Bought the CD.

Not impressed.

Very disappointed.

Michael Phelps

11-24-2009, 07:21 AM

:ursofunnyNever heard of him. Swimming medals? Is that worldly sports and entertainment? I always pray instead of watching that stuff!

Look....I've had my crow today. Adam was horrible. Besides the obvious disgusting stuff he did, he sang terribly. I'm bitterly disappointed and I totally retract what I said...which was, "I'll buy anything he releases." Uh, no. I won't. I never expected this. I feel betrayed.

Now this I can agree with.

notofworks

11-24-2009, 07:34 AM

Bought the CD.

Not impressed.

Very disappointed.

You did??? I had every intention of buying as soon as I could find it.......until Sunday night. My son told me it's a lot of techno-dance garbage. Adam said he was going to produce something "fresh, new...something that's not already been done." Well...if the Sunday night stuff is what he was talking about....wow. I couldn't be more disappointed.

notofworks

11-24-2009, 07:35 AM

Now this I can agree with.

Really? Crud. I was hoping to get a big internet fight going. :lol

rgcraig

11-24-2009, 07:38 AM

You did??? I had every intention of buying as soon as I could find it.......until Sunday night. My son told me it's a lot of techno-dance garbage. Adam said he was going to produce something "fresh, new...something that's not already been done." Well...if the Sunday night stuff is what he was talking about....wow. I couldn't be more disappointed.

I didn't put two and two together until I read a review of his "act" Sunday night, but the door was "swinging both ways."

The only thing I liked in the review was they said he wasn't an angry punk rocker. I tend to agree with that, but not sure that's important now.

notofworks

11-24-2009, 07:46 AM

I didn't put two and two together until I read a review of his "act" Sunday night, but the door was "swinging both ways."

The only thing I liked in the review was they said he wasn't an angry punk rocker. I tend to agree with that, but not sure that's important now.

Do you have a link to that? I'd like to read it.

rgcraig

11-24-2009, 08:03 AM

Do you have a link to that? I'd like to read it.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/adam-lambert-not-sorry-for-simulating-oral-sex-at-amas/31668

Here's one I read - - looking for the other.

notofworks

11-24-2009, 08:04 AM

No doubt, but if there is, simply read the "New Moon" thread.

Just be careful, Jason. What one person considers untouchable, another has no issue with. The New Testament is full of admonitions about this. It's the way "Legalism" gets started.....me enforcing my ideals of limitations, on others. Eventually, how far do you go with it? What's watchable and what's not? It can get really messy.

rgcraig

11-24-2009, 08:07 AM

Here's another and there are a couple others at the end of it.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/adam-lambert-on-amas-censored-performance-thats-discrimination/31666

notofworks

11-24-2009, 08:12 AM

Here's another and there are a couple others at the end of it.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/adam-lambert-on-amas-censored-performance-thats-discrimination/31666

Wow...just wow. I'm sick.

If anyone were to do to a co-worker, straight or otherwise, what he did to the keyboardist, one would get charged with sexual assault and/or sexual harassment. It's starting to look like he had an agenda from the beginning.

I have a friend who saw him in the Idol tour and they showed me video they'd taken. It was a little rough for me but nothing like this.

Again.....wow.

Ferd

11-24-2009, 08:14 AM

OK, so I am driving home last night and hear on the radio that Mr. Lambert kissed a dude on the Music Awards show Sunday night.

is that true?

rgcraig

11-24-2009, 08:18 AM

OK, so I am driving home last night and hear on the radio that Mr. Lambert kissed a dude on the Music Awards show Sunday night.

is that true?

Yes.

Click on one of the links above and there's a picture.

rgcraig

11-24-2009, 08:19 AM

Wow...just wow. I'm sick.

If anyone were to do to a co-worker, straight or otherwise, what he did to the keyboardist, one would get charged with sexual assault and/or sexual harassment. It's starting to look like he had an agenda from the beginning.

I have a friend who saw him in the Idol tour and they showed me video they'd taken. It was a little rough for me but nothing like this.

Again.....wow.

Maybe you'll listen to your elders in the future - ha!!!

Pressing-On

11-24-2009, 08:28 AM

OK, so I am driving home last night and hear on the radio that Mr. Lambert kissed a dude on the Music Awards show Sunday night.

is that true?
Sick show and sick people.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/23/american.music.awards/index.html

notofworks

11-24-2009, 08:28 AM

Maybe you'll listen to your elders in the future - ha!!!

:lolI might add to all my sorrow that I'm currently expressing, that I still think he was the best I've ever seen on American Idol. But how can anyone defend this _____. Dang it, I wish you guys would let me use the dreaded c-word here. It's the perfect description.

notofworks

11-24-2009, 08:29 AM

OK, so I am driving home last night and hear on the radio that Mr. Lambert kissed a dude on the Music Awards show Sunday night.

is that true?

The shock-value of it is obvious. But I would be just as repulsed if he had planted an unwanted kiss on a non-dude (female).

Ferd

11-24-2009, 08:38 AM

Yes.

Click on one of the links above and there's a picture.

I think I will pass on looking....

Obviously I am on the side of "Godless perversion is a bad thing" and I really am not even trying to have an open mind... so I am sure my next question is no shock...

Why does anyone on a christian forum think this guy is worth discussion?
Why do people here consider themselves "fans" of this guy?

Pressing-On

11-24-2009, 08:40 AM

Why does anyone on a christian forum think this guy is worth discussion?
Why do people here consider themselves "fans" of this guy?
:thumbsup

Ferd

11-24-2009, 08:41 AM

rgcraig

11-24-2009, 08:43 AM

ChTatum

11-24-2009, 08:44 AM

Disgusting.

Ferd

11-24-2009, 08:52 AM

I think the only fan has seen the light and repented of his wicked ways.

NOW isnt the only one.... but I am impressed with the public repentance...

hee hee...

notofworks

11-24-2009, 08:57 AM

I think I will pass on looking....

Obviously I am on the side of "Godless perversion is a bad thing" and I really am not even trying to have an open mind... so I am sure my next question is no shock...

Why does anyone on a christian forum think this guy is worth discussion?
Why do people here consider themselves "fans" of this guy?

I "was" a fan.

The picture, in itself" isn't shocking. The keyboardist looks like a girl in the picture. But then we find out otherwise. If he wants to kiss a guy as part of his act.....whatever. Not my thing and I'd sure rather he not. But the fact that it was unplanned and not consensual is very problematic to me. We have laws against that stuff.

Pressing-On

11-24-2009, 09:00 AM

I "was" a fan.

The picture, in itself" isn't shocking. The keyboardist looks like a girl in the picture. But then we find out otherwise. If he wants to kiss a guy as part of his act.....whatever. Not my thing and I'd sure rather he not. But the fact that it was unplanned and not consensual is very problematic to me. We have laws against that stuff.

My link shows the actual footage - sick!!! I found out about it this morning. I knew the show would be on the porn level, but wasn't really expecting this. Ferd is right - he is being used to push the agenda.

I wasn't paying attention to this thread, until I was given the link - sick!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/23/american.music.awards/index.html

notofworks

11-24-2009, 09:01 AM

I take it back. I am glad to see a "change of direction"

Kudos Notofworks.

I dont agree that it is "just as bad as kissing a girl" but I will take it.

Please note, some of us said this is what this guy was way back when. I dont just mean a gay dude, but a pushy agenda driver of the homosexual agenda.

AI were willing participants in that.

No way to know, but I'd bet money that AI is NOT happy with what he's doing. Of course, that's just my opinion. He won't succeed with this and that'll only hurt AI.

But anyway, what I said about kissing is the unsolicited part of it. Personally, I'd turn off the TV as soon as he openly kissed another guy. I choose not to watch that. But I'm not going to force that ideal on anyone else. But I have a huge problem with that fact that the keyboardist didn't know it was coming. If I were the keyboardist, I'd have hit him.

rgcraig

11-24-2009, 09:02 AM

My link shows the actual footage - sick!!! I found out about it this morning. I knew the show would be on the porn level, but wasn't really expecting this. Ferd is right - he is being used to push the agenda.

I wasn't paying attention to this thread, until I was given the link - sick!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/23/american.music.awards/index.html

It's always been about an agenda and it's his agenda too. He needs to stick to broadway.

rgcraig

11-24-2009, 09:04 AM

No way to know, but I'd bet money that AI is NOT happy with what he's doing. Of course, that's just my opinion. He won't succeed with this and that'll only hurt AI.

But anyway, what I said about kissing is the unsolicited part of it. Personally, I'd turn off the TV as soon as he openly kissed another guy. I choose not to watch that. But I'm not going to force that ideal on anyone else. But I have a huge problem with that fact that the keyboardist didn't know it was coming. If I were the keyboardist, I'd have hit him.

What's sad is probably the keyboardist was okay with it. What's really sick is to read some of the comments after the OMG articles. It's a sad world we are living in and I hurt for the young people.