Ft Hood TX shootings

[missourimary]

Anyone there? Anyone with better info?

[Cindy]

Anyone there? Anyone with better info?

7 dead, 20 wounded confirmed. Ft. Hood is locked down. Also schools in the surrounding area have been locked down. There are schools on base and parents not allowed to enter the base. There were 2 gunmen, one in custody. Not known if Army or civilians, they were dressed in military clothing.

[Cindy]

One gunman in custody, 2 still at large.

[Cindy]

The President's Senior Staff being kept informed according to Fox News.

[missourimary]

I've heard reports of several different buildings involved: Public Affairs, Soldier Readiness Processing, a graduation ceremony, a welcome home ceremony, and a PX. The Ft Hood website is unavailable (overwhelmed I'd guess). Anyone know which building the shootings occurred in?

[Cindy]

Ft. Hood is a large base, they are searching for 2 gunmen. There has been communication from people on base with Fox News.

[Elizabeth]

Horrible! not another shooting-

[Cindy]

I've heard reports of several different buildings involved: Public Affairs, Soldier Readiness Processing, a graduation ceremony, a welcome home ceremony, and a PX. The Ft Hood website is unavailable (overwhelmed I'd guess). Anyone know which building the shootings occurred in?

More than one apparently.

[Cindy]

Horrible! not another shooting-

Yes, and that area has known tragedy before.

[Cindy]

I am wondering how they got on base. You have to register your vehicles and have a pass.

[missourimary]

Yahoo is saying one shooting at SRP and one at Howze theater (where the graduation or welcome home ceremony would have occured?) at between 1:30 and 2:00 TX time.

[Cindy]

The President is receiving updates, as they come in.

[missourimary]

I am wondering how they got on base. You have to register your vehicles and have a pass.

The news was saying that because of the ceremonies, there were more civilians on post than usual, and the checks may not have been very detailed. But also the people that opened fire were dressed in uniform. They may or may not have had passes or current vehicle registration.

[missourimary]

Is building 42006 the PX?

[Cindy]

Update: More than 30 wounded.

[Cindy]

According to the FBI, this is not considered a terrorist act.

[Cindy]

The news was saying that because of the ceremonies, there were more civilians on post than usual, and the checks may not have been very detailed. But also the people that opened fire were dressed in uniform. They may or may not have had passes or current vehicle registration.

Oh okay.

[Cindy]

Second shooter surrounded by SWAT in a building. Some of the wounded were believed to be military as they were in uniform.

[Sister Alvear]

sad...we willpray for families involved insch a terrible thing

[Digging4Truth]

One shooting at the theater... one shooting at the SRP. One of the suspects was apprehended and one fled.

Then there was a third shooting.

[missourimary]

the third was when the gunman opened fire on the SWAT team, right? I heard no more deaths, but some injuries from that one? Can anyone confirm?

Glad it has been deemed non-terrorist.

Very sad for the families.

[Cindy]

The Army says 2 shooters.

[simplyme]

Anyone there? Anyone with better info?

WOW I'd not even heard of this, I just turned to TXCN to check it out.

[Cindy]

At least none of the on base schools seems to have been hit.

[simplyme]

I've heard reports of several different buildings involved: Public Affairs, Soldier Readiness Processing, a graduation ceremony, a welcome home ceremony, and a PX. The Ft Hood website is unavailable (overwhelmed I'd guess). Anyone know which building the shootings occurred in?

A "dome" where families of those due to be deployed, temporarily reside
or are in hold.

[Cindy]

The base has been told to account for all Army personnel.

[Cindy]

Reporting 9 dead instead of 7. Confirmed 9 dead.

[Cindy]

One of the gunmen reportedly wounded.

[Cindy]

Confirmed 9 dead, 27 injured.

[Cindy]

Press Conference starting now on FOX news.

[Cindy]

12 dead, 31 wounded.

[Digging4Truth]

12 dead
31 wounded

[Cindy]

One shooter killed. They are soldiers. But are now suspects.

[Digging4Truth]

Shooter was killed
he was a soldier
2 other soldiers are being held or searched for

[Cindy]

Apparently they were using handguns. Local police arrived relatively quickly.

[Cindy]

Over 50,000 people on base, including civilians.

[Elizabeth]

Please pray for Keith's cousin Jonathan! He is stationed at Ft Hood! I wonder if Keith knows, gonna call now!

[rgcraig]

It was in the medical ready (or something like that) building. Where soliders are getting medical/dental attention before they are deployed.

[rgcraig]

Apparently they were using handguns. Local police arrived relatively quickly.

Seems strange that they'd need local police when they are the ARMY!

[Cindy]

Still locked down, until they confirm others not involved.

[missourimary]

12 dead, 31 wounded.

[Cindy]

Seems strange that they'd need local police when they are the ARMY!

A lot of MP's, are deployed. They contract for them there I think. This is a crime scene now too.

[RevDWW]

Seems strange that they'd need local police when they are the ARMY!

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_federal_law) (18 U.S.C. (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Title_18_of_the_United_States_Code) § 1385 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1385.html)) passed on June 18 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/June_18), 1878 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/1878), after the end of Reconstruction (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Reconstruction_era_of_the_United_States), with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Insurrection_Act)) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Uniformed_services_of_the_United_States) (today the Army (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Army), Air Force (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Air_Force), and State National Guard forces (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States) when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Law_enforcement_agency_powers), police (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Police), or peace officer (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer) powers that maintain "law and order (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Law_and_order_(politics))" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Constitution) or Congress (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Congress). The Coast Guard (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard) is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

From Wikipedia

[Cindy]

Please pray for Keith's cousin Jonathan! He is stationed at Ft Hood! I wonder if Keith knows, gonna call now!

Will be praying, Elizabeth.

[Sinatra]

Just received an AP update. 2 suspects apprehended and a 3rd shot and killed.

[Cindy]

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_federal_law) (18 U.S.C. (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Title_18_of_the_United_States_Code) § 1385 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1385.html)) passed on June 18 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/June_18), 1878 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/1878), after the end of Reconstruction (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Reconstruction_era_of_the_United_States), with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Insurrection_Act)) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Uniformed_services_of_the_United_States) (today the Army (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Army), Air Force (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Air_Force), and State National Guard forces (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States) when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Law_enforcement_agency_powers), police (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Police), or peace officer (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer) powers that maintain "law and order (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/Law_and_order_(politics))" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Constitution) or Congress (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Congress). The Coast Guard (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard) is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

From Wikipedia

Yep. They are not cops, they are soldiers.

[Cindy]

President Obama speaking now.

Great job, Mr. President.

He asked that we keep these brave men and women in our thoughts and prayers. As they are in his.

[RevDWW]

Any word on motive? Was it terrorist?

[missourimary]

they don't think it was terrorist but i have no conf of that

[Cindy]

Any word on motive? Was it terrorist?

Not yet, although the FBI stated earlier they didn't think it was a terrorist act.

[Cindy]

One of them reportedly had 2 handguns.

[Sinatra]

From MSNBC

At least one U.S. soldier opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said.

One gunman was shot to death, and two other soldiers were in custody, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone told reporters. It was not immediately known whether the victims were all soldiers or civilians, but Cone said at least one of those killed was a civilian police officer and NBC affiliate KCEN-TV of Waco reported that at least four SWAT officers were among those wounded.

[Cindy]

Requesting blood donations at local hospitals.

[Cindy]

Wondering when we will hear from Gov. Perry.

[Cindy]

Speaker of the House calling for a moment of silence.

[rgcraig]

Requesting blood donations at local hospitals.

I hope there are so many donors they can't get to them!!!

[Cindy]

I hope there are so many donors they can't get to them!!!

Amen!

[RevDWW]

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

Hmmm?

[Cindy]

The dead gunman was an officer, not an enlisted man. Apparently soon to be deployed to Iraq.

[missourimary]

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

Hmmm?

First release I have heard of an actual name... you all are better than any other news station! If he was a Major, he had been in the military for quite a while. Was he first, second, third generation American? He wouldn't have had to be born in America to serve in the American military.

[rgcraig]

Fox

They have also said he had said he was "upset" that he was being deployed.

[missourimary]

http://www.the33tv.com/news/ktla-fort-hood-shooting,0,4387539.story
All three gunman were U.S. soldiers. The dead gunman is identified as 40-year old Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
Started at the sports dome, a personnel and medical processing center known as the Soldier Readiness Center.
A second incident took place at the near by Howze Theater, where a college graduation service was to occur this afternoon.
According to a base newspaper, the ceremony would have recognized soldiers and family members who had missed commencement ceremonies due to deployments.

This site says all the victims are military. However, another site says that one of those killed was a local police officer.

[missourimary]

Fox

They have also said he had said he was "upset" that he was being deployed.

Great, so logic says if you don't want to deploy to a war zone, make your current location into one instead. Guess he won't deploy now. :foottap

Sorry, I'm upset that he wasn't. How could anyone do that?????

[missourimary]

Please pray for Keith's cousin Jonathan! He is stationed at Ft Hood! I wonder if Keith knows, gonna call now!

Is he OK????

[Pressing-On]

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

Hmmm?
He was newly converted to the Islamic faith. I deleted everything else I want to say, except - I'm glad they shot him.

[Falla39]

He was newly converted to the Islamic faith. I deleted everything else I want to say, except - I'm glad they shot him.

I heard a couple of hours ago a Fox Newsman talk to this man's cousin
in Virginia. He said that his cousin (the gunman) had always been Muslin.
He said their family was concerned that their cousin would be portrayed
in the wrong way. Said his cousin was born here, was a good American,
etc., etc., Said their family were blown away with the latest news and
what had happened.

[Timmy]

He was newly converted to the Islamic faith. I deleted everything else I want to say, except - I'm glad they shot him.

I don't know what the circumstances were. If he had to be shot to stop him from shooting anyone else, then I too am glad. If that was the only way.

[Pressing-On]

I don't know what the circumstances were. If he had to be shot to stop him from shooting anyone else, then I too am glad. If that was the only way.

He's newly converted to Islam and then goes off on the soldiers that were getting ready to be deployed. Yes, glad he's dead. :thumbsup

[Timmy]

He's newly converted to Islam and then goes off of the soldiers that were getting ready to be deployed. Yes, glad he's dead. :thumbsup

OK.

[Pressing-On]

I heard a couple of hours ago a Fox Newsman talk to this man's cousin
in Virginia. He said that his cousin (the gunman) had always been Muslin.
He said their family was concerned that their cousin would be portrayed
in the wrong way. Said his cousin was born here, was a good American,
etc., etc., Said their family were blown away with the latest news and
what had happened.

I heard today that he was newly converted, but regardless -- He is Muslim.

[Pressing-On]

OK.

That's my ruthless side. LOL!

[Falla39]

I heard today that he was newly converted, but regardless -- He is Muslim.

Yes, I had heard that earlier also, but when his cousin called in, the news
man mentioned that he understood he had recently converted to Islam. His
cousin said, "He's always been Muslim".

[Elizabeth]

Yes, I had heard that earlier also, but when his cousin called in, the news
man mentioned that he understood he had recently converted to Islam. His
cousin said, "He's always been Muslim".

That is what I heard too- that he has always been a Muslim.

[Elizabeth]

Well, Keith's cousin was on base when the shooting occurred today.

I thank God Jonathan is alright! He was doing some exercises across the base from where the shooting was.

He has a few close calls, but never on American soil. Regardless, his mother's prayers were mostly likely greatly appreciated!

[Pressing-On]

That is what I heard too- that he has always been a Muslim.
I've been gone all day and caught the "newly" on the radio. Didn't hear the rest of it. But, IMO, it doesn't really matter. He was still a Muslim and he shot and wounded a whole lot of soliders who were getting ready to be deployed.

IMO, he was sending a message. If he was worried about himself going overseas, he could have just shot himself.

Perhaps he thought he might as well do some honor killing to earn his 70 virgins. Today, after he died, he found out the truth and it was too late.

[Pressing-On]

Well, Keith's cousin was on base when the shooting occurred today.

I thank God Jonathan is alright! He was doing some exercises across the base from where the shooting was.

He has a few close calls, but never on American soil. Regardless, his mother's prayers were mostly likely greatly appreciated!

Very glad to hear it, Liz.

My son's friend, David, called me from Manheim, Germany yesterday. He is very lonely. I reminded him of when God touched him in such a powerful way last time he was in service with us. He showed up in jeans with holes in the knees and when he was praying his knees were just shaking away! LOL! He said he had his Bible by the bedside. Keep David in your prayers. He goes to Afghanistan next.

[Cindy]

The shooter is not dead. He is wounded and alive. He was apparently shot by a female first responder. And they are not ruling out that he is a terrorist.

[Pressing-On]

The shooter is not dead. He is wounded and alive. He was apparently shot by a female first responder. And they are not ruling out that he is a terrorist.

Thanks, Cindy! Keep us updated! :thumbsup Lots of different news reports flying around! First he's dead and then he's not.

[Falla39]

Thanks, Cindy! Keep us updated! :thumbsup Lots of different news reports flying around! First he's dead and then he's not.

Perhaps this is why they kept postponing the press conference this
afternoon. When they started the press conference out of Ft. Hood,
the first thing the spokesman said was that the shooter was not dead,
but wounded. Someone asked about his condition and although the man
said he couldn't comment on his condition or anything more about Major
Hasan. He did say that the shooter's death was probably not iminant. He
is in stable condition.

[Pressing-On]

The shooter is not dead. He is wounded and alive. He was apparently shot by a female first responder. And they are not ruling out that he is a terrorist.

Update 8:15 ARMY: Single gunman, he is in custody, not dead as previously reported; suspect is hospitalized.

http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11451553

I guess I could see that they thought he was dead.

[Pressing-On]

The shooter was killed be a civilian policeman. A military guy in an interview on Fox said the shooter was openly against the war, fighting his own deployment, and had said that "Muslims have the right to rise up" - the guy being interviewed by Shep Smith said there had been an investigation already about this guy.

Read this on Facebook.

[pelathais]

The shooter is not dead. He is wounded and alive. He was apparently shot by a female first responder. And they are not ruling out that he is a terrorist.
Yeah, saw the press conference a little while ago. The female police officer was apparently killed in the exchange, but she knocked him down. He's had at least one CID guy at his side ever since.

[Falla39]

Read this on Facebook.

The policewoman who shot (not killed) the shooter is also alive and
in stable condition.
Fox News reported this.

[Pressing-On]

The policewoman who shot (not killed) the shooter is also alive and
in stable condition.
Fox News reported this.

Falla,
Our local news is right now saying the shooter is dead. What are you hearing?

Okay, now they turned around and said he is not dead! LOL!

[tstew]

The shooter is not dead. He is wounded and alive. He was apparently shot by a female first responder. And they are not ruling out that he is a terrorist.

I'll be honest. There is a part of me that wishes that someone would have fixed that... I guess I need to pray through tonight. However, maybe they can get some info from him that can be useful.

[Falla39]

Falla,
Our local news is right now saying the shooter is dead. What are you hearing?

Fox is repeatly saying the Major that shot and killed 12 people and
wounded 31, is indeed alive in an area hospital and in stable condition.
That the female officer, (First responder who shot the Major) is also
alive and in stable condition, in an area hospital. They are saying this
right now!

Falla39

[pelathais]

I guess I could see that they thought he was dead.
There's always a flurry of reports, rumors, and mistaken and misunderstood statements that get repeated in the immediate aftermath of one of these things.

Then the military or a govt spokesman comes out with the true details and often times they get blamed for "spin."

It's like when WTC 7 came down the night of 9/11. Someone told Guiliani that it sounded like an explosion. When he repeated that Alex Jones and all the wackos said Guiliani was in on a conspiracy to bring the buildings down by explosive and that there was no plane crash.

[Pressing-On]

Fox is repeatly saying the Major that shot and killed 12 people and
wounded 31, is indeed alive in an area hospital and in stable condition.
That the female officer, (First responder who shot the Major) is also
alive and in stable condition, in an area hospital. They are saying this
right now!

Falla39

Well, I don't expect anything to come of this.

[Pressing-On]

There's always a flurry of reports, rumors, and mistaken and misunderstood statements that get repeated in the immediate aftermath of one of these things.

Then the military or a govt spokesman comes out with the true details and often times they get blamed for "spin."

It's like when WTC 7 came down the night of 9/11. Someone told Guiliani that it sounded like an explosion. When he repeated that Alex Jones and all the wackos said Guiliani was in on a conspiracy to bring the buildings down by explosive and that there was no plane crash.
Right!!!!

I guess it's a race for the most sensational to get the viewers. Didn't anyone think that reliability will come into play at some point? LOL!

[Pressing-On]

I'll be honest. There is a part of me that wishes that someone would have fixed that... I guess I need to pray through tonight. However, maybe they can get some info from him that can be useful.

I'm still thinking about it!!! :toofunny

[Pressing-On]

One hour ago:

KILLEEN - Authorities rushed to surround the apartment complex where suspected Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan lived following the shooting on post Thursday.

News Channel 25's Henry Rosoff was on the scene as police first established a perimeter. Officers told Henry they were waiting to search Hasan's apartment until the Fort Hood Bomb Squad could clear the building.

Neighbors told News Channel 25 that Thursday Morning, Hasan was giving away all of his furniture and copies of the Qu' ran. They said Hasan was supposed to deploy in the coming days.

http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11454619

[Pressing-On]

Who is Maj. Malik Hasan?

KILLEEN - The suspected shooter on Fort Hood Thursday was a psychiatrist who was preparing to deploy to Afghanistan, neighbors said.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a recent convert to Islam, was wounded by Fort Hood Police after he allegedly shot 41 soldiers Thursday on Fort Hood.

http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11453922

[tstew]

Who is Maj. Malik Hasan?

KILLEEN - The suspected shooter on Fort Hood Thursday was a psychiatrist who was preparing to deploy to Afghanistan, neighbors said.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a recent convert to Islam, was wounded by Fort Hood Police after he allegedly shot 41 soldiers Thursday on Fort Hood.

http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11453922

PO, I think that report has it wrong. I heard his cousin say that he has been Muslim his whole life.

[Pressing-On]

PO, I think that report has it wrong. I heard his cousin say that he has been Muslim his whole life.

Just putting out that I heard he was a new convert. LOL!

Also, I don't know his cousin and so I don't know if he is lying. I'm just wondering why I have heard several times today that he had recently converted?

Another part that looks wrong is that the article is saying 41 wounded and most other places are saying 31.

[Sinatra]

Taken from an Associated Press Link...

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.



Link to the full article...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FORT_HOOD_SHOOTING_SUSPECT?SITE=MAFAL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[Pressing-On]

Thanks, Sinatra!

Adding a bit more:

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FORT_HOOD_SHOOTING_SUSPECT?SITE=WIJAN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[Sinatra]

Hasan, 39, is a graduate of Virginia Tech and a psychiatrist licensed in Virginia who was practicing at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, according to military and professional records. Previously, he worked at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

A federal official said Hasan is a U.S. citizen of Jordanian descent. Military documents show that Hasan was born in Virginia, and was never deployed outside the United States.

http://m.cnn.com/cnn/lt_ne/lt_ne/detail/394333/frg;jsessionid=3E5AB489BDA00327F9C32870B126639C.li ve23i

[Pressing-On]

Hasan, 39, is a graduate of Virginia Tech and a psychiatrist licensed in Virginia who was practicing at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, according to military and professional records. Previously, he worked at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

A federal official said Hasan is a U.S. citizen of Jordanian descent. Military documents show that Hasan was born in Virginia, and was never deployed outside the United States.

http://m.cnn.com/cnn/lt_ne/lt_ne/detail/394333/frg;jsessionid=3E5AB489BDA00327F9C32870B126639C.li ve23i

You know what gets me? This quote:

"I think that there is a lot of investigation going on now into his background and what he was doing that was not known before," Hutchison said.

Why didn't they ALREADY investigate him?!!!!!

[Pressing-On]

It's the Soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.

It's the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.

It's the Soldier, not the politicians that ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

It's the Soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag.


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/pressing-on/flag-1.jpg

[Pressing-On]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/pressing-on/fthood.jpg

[pelathais]

You know what gets me? This quote:



Why didn't they ALREADY investigate him?!!!!!
Apparently the Feds were in the process of drawing up search warrants to go through his computer. Maybe Hasan became aware of this? Dunno.

But they were apparently under the impression the guy had posted the stuff mentioned in the article, just not certain, hence the need for a warrant.

I think the military may be somewhat willfully "blind" at times. Despite their occupations as "killers," they really do emphasize a lot "peace and harmony" rhetoric. They are also keenly aware of the P.C. dangers of "profiling." No commanding officer wants to be ordered into sensitivity training because of a mess about "profiling" that the media and some member of Congress were crying about.

It ain't an easy job. And to top it off none of the soldiers killed are allowed to have weapons in that part of the base. The only ones armed were the cops moonlighting as security.

It's a horrible tragedy. Hopefully one that lessons will be learned from.

But, don't get all anti-Islamic right now. Remember, just because the shooter had a Muslim name doesn't mean he should have been look upon with suspicion. The Commander in Chief has a Muslim name.

[Sinatra]

Though Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas reported that Major Hasan was to be deployed this month, that could not be confirmed with the Army on Thursday night.

Nader Hasan said his cousin never mentioned in recent phone calls to Virginia that he was going to be deployed, and he said the family was shocked when it heard the news on television on Thursday afternoon.

“He was doing everything he could to avoid that,” Mr. Hasan said. “He wanted to do whatever he could within the rules to make sure he wouldn’t go over.”

Some years ago, that included retaining a lawyer and asking if he could get out of the Army before his contract was up, because of the harassment he had received as a Muslim. But Nader Hasan said the lawyer had told his cousin that even if he paid the Army back for his education, it would not allow him to leave before his commitment was up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06suspect.html?_r=1&hp

[Pressing-On]

Apparently the Feds were in the process of drawing up search warrants to go through his computer. Maybe Hasan became aware of this? Dunno.

But they were apparently under the impression the guy had posted the stuff mentioned in the article, just not certain, hence the need for a warrant.

I think the military may be somewhat willfully "blind" at times. Despite their occupations as "killers," they really do emphasize a lot "peace and harmony" rhetoric. They are also keenly aware of the P.C. dangers of "profiling." No commanding officer wants to be ordered into sensitivity training because of a mess about "profiling" that the media and some member of Congress were crying about.

It ain't an easy job. And to top it off none of the soldiers killed are allowed to have weapons in that part of the base. The only ones armed were the cops moonlighting as security.

It's a horrible tragedy. Hopefully one that lessons will be learned from.

But, don't get all anti-Islamic right now. Remember, just because the shooter had a Muslim name doesn't mean he should have been look upon with suspicion. The Commander in Chief has a Muslim name.
I am and have always been anti-Islamic. It goes against the Word of God and denies that Jesus is God, so yes, I would be against it.

And, yes, The Commander in Chief certainly does have a Muslim name and I find that to be very strange.

The reason that bothers me is that I believe we are fighting Sharia Law more than anything. Saudi Arabia is the largest supporter of Sharia Law and it's getting pushed all over this world. We call that thought being radical, but it is happening.

It reminds me so much of the Boxer Rebellion. The Chinese secret society, "Ihoch'uan", was connected to the White Lotus Sect. They set out to destroy everything they considered foreign. They slaughtered Chinese Christians, missionaries, and anyone they found who supported western ideas. They burned houses, schools and churches.

The Manchu government "secretly" approved of the movement.

When foreign diplomats in Peking sent out calls for troops, the Manchu government declared war against the foreign powers.

I see Saudi Arabia as the "Manchu government" and the "Taliban" as the "Secret Society".

When they gain enough footage and force, Saudi Arabia will back them up. We see them gaining footage in Europe where people are afraid of them and allowing Sharia Law to be implemented in the land.

[Pressing-On]

This is a good article:

The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude

“[He] made comments about how we shouldn’t be over there – you need to lock it up, Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor,” Lee added.

But the suspect’s cousin, Nader Hasan, gave Fox News a different picture. He said his cousin had never deployed but was affected by the war and had been concerned about his impending deployment.

“He would tell us how he would hear things, horrific things, things from war probably affecting him psychologically,” Nader Hasan said.

Here is my column from March 2003 on Muslim soldiers with attitude:

Sgt. Asan Akbar, a Muslim American soldier with the 326th Engineer Battalion, had an “attitude problem.” (view link for continued reading)

Ali A. Mohamed. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and obtained classified military documents. He was granted U.S. citizenship over the objections of the CIA. (view link for continued reading)

Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. (view link for continued reading)

John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army’s 84th Engineering Company. (view link for continued reading)

Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and “enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America.” (view link for continued reading)

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/06/the-massacre-at-fort-hood-and-muslim-soldiers-with-attitude/

[Cindy]

I'm just so sad. I don't think I will sleep well tonight.

[Pressing-On]

I'm just so sad. I don't think I will sleep well tonight.

Right. Praying for you, Cindy! :friend

[Pressing-On]

Co-Worker: Ft. Hood Suspect Made ‘Outlandish’ Comments Condemning US Foreign Policy

"Why was he transferred from Walter Reed Hospital to Ft. Hood. There's something that happened at Walter Reed. And that's where I hope the investigation will go."

http://www.breitbart.tv/co-worker-ft-hood-gunman-made-outlandish-comments-condemning-us-foreign-policy/

[Nitehawk013]

I heard about these shootings on the radio and then later turned to watch Fox news. As soon as I heard there was a shooting on the army base I got an ill feeling. In the back of my mind I thought, "Please let me be wrong about this...but my gut tells me this is going to be a Muslim shooting people".

For over an hour I watched and they never gave a name so I thought maybe I was lucky and I was going to be wrong. Then they gave the name of the shooter.

How many times do these "peaceful" muslims get to kill people before we realize the whole religion is a plague that should be eradicated? They aren't peaceful. They aren't godly. They are murderers for allah. 99% of all major terrorist attacks against our nation for 30 years now have been *ding ding ding*...Muslims!

[Pressing-On]

FORT HOOD, Texas – The base commander at Fort Hood says soldiers who witnessed a shooting rampage that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire at the Texas post.

Lt. Gen. Robert Cone told NBC's "Today" show on Friday that suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday that also left 30 people wounded.

Military officials say they are still piecing together what may have pushed Hasan, an Army psychiatrist trained to help soldiers in distress, to turn on his comrades.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting

I love it when they make such ridiculous statements!!!!!!!! What pushed him? Please! Are you kidding me? LOL!

[MamaHen]

I am just grateful, that all of my friends at Hood are alright. I have heard from all but one of them, and that family just moved there. My neighbor is getting in touch with them to make sure they are ok as well.

It all boils down to a man choosing to murder, and families are left suffering terrible loss.

This occurred at the soldier support center, where soldiers do their medical screenings before or after a deployment. Imagine those families whose soldier came back from a year-long deployment, safe, the relief these families had, only for them to be killed at work!?

My heart breaks for them.

[Pressing-On]

I am just grateful, that all of my friends at Hood are alright. I have heard from all but one of them, and that family just moved there. My neighbor is getting in touch with them to make sure they are ok as well.

It all boils down to a man choosing to murder, and families are left suffering terrible loss.

This occurred at the soldier support center, where soldiers do their medical screenings before or after a deployment. Imagine those families whose soldier came back from a year-long deployment, safe, the relief these families had, only for them to be killed at work!?

My heart breaks for them.
Yes, it just breaks your heart and is very frustrating!!!

[Pressing-On]

"With all due respect to Dr. Phil, having been through the war in Iraq and having seen what these soldiers go through, with respect to this incident, I need to take a giant step back from all the psychobabble I've been hearing for the past few hours." - Tom Kenniff

Thank you, Tom - the only one with any common sense in this interview!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QqD-RwM5PY&feature=player_embedded#

Shoshana Johnson looks like she's ready for a Jerry Springer episode! LOL!

[Cindy]

"With all due respect to Dr. Phil, having been through the war in Iraq and having seen what these soldiers go through, with respect to this incident, I need to take a giant step back from all the psychobabble I've been hearing for the past few hours." - Tom Kenniff

Thank you, Tom - the only one with any common sense in this interview!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QqD-RwM5PY&feature=player_embedded#

Shoshana Johnson looks like she's ready for a Jerry Springer episode! LOL!

I know, right. If you're louder you're right? The more I learn about this guy the angrier I get!!!!!

[Pressing-On]

I know, right. If you're louder you're right?
Apparently! LOL

The more I learn about this guy the angrier I get!!!!!
Dr. Phil was totally embarrassing with his ignorant comments.

Did you see the picture of the guy dressed in full Muslim garb THAT VERY morning of the shooting picking up donuts and coffee?!!

[Cindy]

Apparently! LOL


Dr. Phil was totally embarrassing with his ignorant comments.

Did you see the picture of the guy dressed in full Muslim garb THAT VERY morning of the shooting picking up donuts and coffee?!!

Dr. Phil has been in Hollywood too long, he's a joke.

No, I missed that.

The thought has crossed my mind that there may be some more violence by some good old boys with guns.

[rgcraig]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f108/rgcraig/FtHood.jpg

[Pressing-On]

Dr. Phil has been in Hollywood too long, he's a joke.
:thumbsup

No, I missed that.

The thought has crossed my mind that there may be some more violence by some good old boys with guns.

I had thought about getting a handgun, but we both decided a 12-gauge would be good enough. Don't have to aim, just pump and start shooting - Lock and load, baby!! :hunter

[Pressing-On]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f108/rgcraig/FtHood.jpg

He looks awfully happy! :thumbsdown

[KWSS1976]

The last I heard they had him on a ventalator I think someone should go in and "Accidently trip over the power cord and it get accidently pulled out.".....

[tstew]

I heard about these shootings on the radio and then later turned to watch Fox news. As soon as I heard there was a shooting on the army base I got an ill feeling. In the back of my mind I thought, "Please let me be wrong about this...but my gut tells me this is going to be a Muslim shooting people".

For over an hour I watched and they never gave a name so I thought maybe I was lucky and I was going to be wrong. Then they gave the name of the shooter.

How many times do these "peaceful" muslims get to kill people before we realize the whole religion is a plague that should be eradicated? They aren't peaceful. They aren't godly. They are murderers for allah. 99% of all major terrorist attacks against our nation for 30 years now have been *ding ding ding*...Muslims!

I am so frustrated with this whole situation and I wish that someone had taken the early warning signs seriously. I would like to think that by now we have learned that we cannot afford to overlook the kinds of warning signs that appear to have been evident.

That having been said, I just don't see how any of the major issues can be resolved in the current climate with the current approach. I just pray for the future of our country and the world that our children are inheriting. Whether we like it or not, both sides claim to be victims. Both sides accuse the others of being murderers. Both sides accuse the other of not actually being godly. And both sides accuse the other of being much too militant to be peaceful.

I too was frustrated but not surprised to hear that it was a Muslim who perpetrated this. However, I know that there are those on thge other side who say that when they get bombed, they can assume some sort of Judeo-Christian background or country.

The one thing that I think is absolutely necessary is that if American Muslims or Arab-Americans do not want to be associated with this, they need to come out and strongly renounce this at the highest levels and not have outside apologetics defend them.

[Digging4Truth]

I wonder if he was on any psychotropic drugs?

[rgcraig]

I wonder if he was on any psychotropic drugs?

I think he did this all by himself.

[Digging4Truth]

I think he did this all by himself.

Well that doesn't answer the question though...

I wonder if he was on psychotropic drugs.

[rgcraig]

Well that doesn't answer the question though...

I wonder if he was on psychotropic drugs.

lol...I'm thinking he did it without psychotropic drugs, but I'm sure in the days to come we will find out.

What I want to know is if he was in fact going to be deployed TODAY since he asked his neighbor to clean his apt. since he'd be gone.

[tstew]

I wonder if he was on any psychotropic drugs?

He certainly had access. That is an interesting question.

[Digging4Truth]

He certainly had access. That is an interesting question.

Yes sir.. I'd like to know.

[Sarah]

Sorry, Dr Phil, but I think we very much need to pay attention to people's last name these days.

I know that would sound ignorant and silly a few years ago, but times have changed drastically. I think every muslim in the country needs to be watched, although it would be impossible to do so....and yes, it's very unfair to those muslims that would do us no harm.

I believe, as a whole, Islam wants to take over our country. Time will tell.

[Pressing-On]

Sorry, Dr Phil, but I think we very much need to pay attention to people's last name these days.

I know that would sound ignorant and silly a few years ago, but times have changed drastically. I think every muslim in the country needs to be watched, although it would be impossible to do so....and yes, it's very unfair to those muslims that would do us no harm.

I believe, as a whole, Islam wants to take over our country. Time will tell.

My husband just said, "They better not get too frisky. The American people will wipe them out." :toofunny I think he's right! :thumbsup

[rgcraig]

Wow - I didn't realize there was a college graduation going on at the same time and there were over 600 people in that area that he could have gone to, so as the General said, it could have been a lot worse.

[Pressing-On]

Wow - I didn't realize there was a college graduation going on at the same time and there were over 600 people in that area that he could have gone to, so as the General said, it could have been a lot worse.

Yes, but I think, IMO, he made his statement by shooting in the location that he did.

[rgcraig]

Yes, but I think, IMO, he made his statement by shooting in the location that he did.

I agree - it was more about "making his statement."

[Pressing-On]

I agree - it was more about "making his statement."

Yep, well, I have to go..... ;)

[Digging4Truth]

Yes, but I think, IMO, he made his statement by shooting in the location that he did.

What statement did he make?

How do you know what his statement was?

[Digging4Truth]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

Maj. Malik Nidal Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy

[rgcraig]

What statement did he make?

How do you know what his statement was?

I was assume it's about him not wanting to be deployed and him being in the building were those that are going to be deployed are receiving medical attention. Just my assumption.

[Digging4Truth]

I was assume it's about him not wanting to be deployed and him being in the building were those that have been deployed or are going to be deployed are receiving medical attention. Just my assumption.

And yet others assume it is an expression of his assumed Muslim extremism.


So... we don't know what his statement was.

[rgcraig]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

Maj. Malik Nidal Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy

This is SOMETHING to be concerned about:

"According to an explosive new book, "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America," Hasan is just the tip of a jihadist Fifth Column operating within the ranks of the U.S. military – which is too blinded by political correctness to see the threat.

Quoting from a classified military briefing, "Muslim Mafia" reveals that this Fifth Column has penetrated "every branch of the U.S. military." The Islamist"

[Cindy]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

Maj. Malik Nidal Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy

Wow, how safe should that make us feel?

[rgcraig]

And yet others assume it is an expression of his assumed Muslim extremism.


So... we don't know what his statement was.

Don't see that having anything to do with the building he chose, if the military doesn't go "classified" on us, maybe we'll find out.

[rgcraig]

Wow, how safe should that make us feel?

Read the article - - he just attended.

[n david]

Our "beloved leader" Obama's response was laughable...

In the wake of the deadliest mass shooting at a U.S. base, President Obama on Friday cautioned against jumping to conclusions on the motive of the suspect.

"We don't know all the answers yet and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts," Obama said on the White House lawn.

Uhm, could we rewind a couple months back when BHO himself jumped to conclusions without having facts in the case of the Boston Police Officer and the Professor.

Perhaps BHO learned a lesson before and is trying to do it right this time.

Source (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/06/obama-visit-walter-reed/)

[rgcraig]

Our "beloved leader" Obama's response was laughable...



Uhm, could we rewind a couple months back when BHO himself jumped to conclusions without having facts in the case of the Boston Police Officer and the Professor.

Perhaps BHO learned a lesson before and is trying to do it right this time.

Interesting!

[rgcraig]

Can anyone say "Trojan horse?"

What better way to attack American.

[Digging4Truth]

Our "beloved leader" Obama's response was laughable...



Uhm, could we rewind a couple months back when BHO himself jumped to conclusions without having facts in the case of the Boston Police Officer and the Professor.

Perhaps BHO learned a lesson before and is trying to do it right this time.

Source (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/06/obama-visit-walter-reed/)

Cautioning of jumping to conclusions before we have all the facts is laughable?

[rgcraig]

Cautioning of jumping to conclusions before we have all the facts is laughable?

I think what he's saying is it's laughable because he sure didn't have all the facts when he accussed the police officer (Boston).

[n david]

Cautioning of jumping to conclusions before we have all the facts is laughable?

I think what he's saying is it's laughable because he sure didn't have all the facts when he accussed the police officer (Boston).
Exactly. BHO came out on the news saying the Boston PO acted "stupidly," but also admitted he didn't know the full details.

If you don't know the details and what happened, how can you say either party acted "stupidly."

The only one who acted "stupidly" was BHO.

Hope he's learned since then ... from his comments today, perhaps he has.

[StillStanding]

Can we at least come to the conclusion that the shooter acted "stupidly"? :)

[Nitehawk013]

Just heard the shooter was handing out Quarans Wednesday and giving away all his possessions. HIs deployment according to the news wasn't for another 3 weeks.

Giving away all his stuff that early? I guess you don't need possessions when you plan on going out in a blaze of allah's peace loving glory.

[rgcraig]

Just heard the shooter was handing out Quarans Wednesday and giving away all his possessions. HIs deployment according to the news wasn't for another 3 weeks.

Giving away all his stuff that early? I guess you don't need possessions when you plan on going out in a blaze of allah's peace loving glory.

That's what I asked earlier - when was his deployment. He told his neighbor it was to be today and he paid her $60 to clean his apt. He was planning on dying yesterday.

[rgcraig]

Can we at least come to the conclusion that the shooter acted "stupidly"? :)

I'll agree with you!

[Digging4Truth]

I'll agree with you!

I'll second the motion.

[missourimary]

Just heard the shooter was handing out Quarans Wednesday and giving away all his possessions. HIs deployment according to the news wasn't for another 3 weeks.

Giving away all his stuff that early? I guess you don't need possessions when you plan on going out in a blaze of allah's peace loving glory.

Anyone notice how little he had? He was a Major. He made over $50,000 a year easily, and he had a few folding chairs and a bookshelf??? Seems like he must have been planning for a long time.


Can anyone say "Trojan horse?"

What better way to attack American.

Uh, anyone speak Chinese?? I'd say they have figured out an alternative way to attack-right through our wallets.


Yes, but I think, IMO, he made his statement by shooting in the location that he did.
I was assume it's about him not wanting to be deployed and him being in the building were those that are going to be deployed are receiving medical attention. Just my assumption.

To have selected the soldier readiness processing center that finalizes pre deployment medical, dental, and documentation would certainly ensure hinderance of the most soldiers from deploying in the near future-it stopped over 40 yesterday. On the website he talked about a suicide bombing being like a soldier throwing himself on a hand grenade to save comrades. He had better access to weapons for a mass murder, but IMO a mass shooting was his alternative to a suicide bombing.

[Pressing-On]

Anyone notice how little he had? He was a Major. He made over $50,000 a year easily, and he had a few folding chairs and a bookshelf??? Seems like he must have been planning for a long time.




Uh, anyone speak Chinese?? I'd say they have figured out an alternative way to attack-right through our wallets.





To have selected the soldier readiness processing center that finalizes pre deployment medical, dental, and documentation would certainly ensure hinderance of the most soldiers from deploying in the near future-it stopped over 40 yesterday. On the website he talked about a suicide bombing being like a soldier throwing himself on a hand grenade to save comrades. He had better access to weapons for a mass murder, but IMO a mass shooting was his alternative to a suicide bombing.

I just heard that he is paralyzed. Anyone else hearing that?

[missourimary]

I heard the same, from more than one source.

But I also heard he was in a coma and on a ventilator. That from General Cone at Ft Hood. Not sure how they would know if he had been paralyzed in the shootings if he is still in the coma.

[Timmy]

Yesterday, I heard he was dead.

(He got better!)

[Pressing-On]

I heard the same, from more than one source.

But I also heard he was in a coma and on a ventilator. That from General Cone at Ft Hood. Not sure how they would know if he had been paralyzed in the shootings if he is still in the coma.
I just heard the count is now - 13 dead - 43 wounded.

[Pressing-On]

Yesterday, I heard he was dead.

(He got better!)
:toofunny

[missourimary]

You know, I wonder what would be worse for him (before death, that is), with his Muslim concepts... being condemned to death for what he did (in which case he could perceive himself as a martyr still), or forcing him to live the rest of his life in a military prison?

[missourimary]

Yesterday, I heard he was dead.

(He got better!)

Resurrection! He's a new prophet!!

j/k

[missourimary]

I just heard the count is now - 13 dead - 43 wounded.

13 dead seems to be the current count. I am not getting accurate info on wounded. My guess is that a few weren't wounded seriously, were released, and aren't in the count now, or else they were wounded while fleeing the scene, but not by bullets (they tripped and sprained an ankle or something) and that some are counting them and some aren't. Anyone know how these counts are done?

[Pressing-On]

Resurrection! He's a new prophet!!

j/k
:thumbsup :ursofunny

[Pressing-On]

13 dead seems to be the current count. I am not getting accurate info on wounded. My guess is that a few weren't wounded seriously, were released, and aren't in the count now, or else they were wounded while fleeing the scene, but not by bullets (they tripped and sprained an ankle or something) and that some are counting them and some aren't. Anyone know how these counts are done?

The news report didn't go into any details.

I imagine they are on pins and needles knowing that the American men and women are not going to put up with that here - especially in Texas!!! :D

[Pressing-On]

Just heard one women was 1 1/2 months pregnant. Another women had just come back from IRAQ - to get killed in America!! That just reeks!!!

[Pressing-On]

I was just thinking that the last time I've been in Killeen was when our church choir sang at Dan Dean's father's church. That was ages ago!

[Pressing-On]

Thank you, Bill O'Reilly!!!! :thumbsup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2iw7htowuI&feature=player_embedded

[rgcraig]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting

Shooter awake and talking!