Is Once Enough? Question about Glossolalia

[Nahum]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?

[revrandy]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?

Bro. Nelson (Pioneer Pentecostal) used to preach that he only spoke in Tongues once in his life and that was when he recieved the Holy Ghost...

[Kutless]

I wanted to ask this question over on the Heavenly Language thread. I am not trying to hijack PP but thought it may be appropriate here.

Does the Bible record the disciples speaking in tongues again?

[Jack Shephard]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?

Hebrews 6:6 says, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance.
It does not say one has to re-speak in tongues, but it wouldn't hurt.

[Chan]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?Where does the Bible say one must speak in tongues in order to be saved? Were the Apostles saved when Jesus breathed on them and said "Receive ye the Holy Ghost" before He ascended to Heaven? According to those who believe that one must speak in tongues in order to be saved, they weren't saved and, for that matter, neither were the rest of the 120 in that upper room saved until they spoke in tongues. If one believes along those lines then one must say that a backslider (someone who abandoned or "lost" his salvation) is not saved again until he speaks in tongues.

I don't happen to agree with that line of thinking but that's what one must conclude if one believes speaking in tongues is a requirement for salvation.

[revrandy]

I wanted to ask this question over on the Heavenly Language thread. I am not trying to hijack PP but thought it may be appropriate here.

Does the Bible record the disciples speaking in tongues again?

Paul... said he spoke in Tongues more than most...

1 Corinthians 14:18
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

[chseeads]

I wanted to ask this question over on the Heavenly Language thread. I am not trying to hijack PP but thought it may be appropriate here.

Does the Bible record the disciples speaking in tongues again?

Paul, while not one of the 12 obviously, but an apostle anyways, did write about his speaking in tongues.

[chseeads]

Paul... said he spoke in Tongues more than most...

1 Corinthians 14:18
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:


You were quicker on the draw than me by a hair. :D

[Jack Shephard]

Paul... said he spoke in Tongues more than most...

1 Corinthians 14:18
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

That does not mean that you have to respeak in tongues though that is the question here. I am not sure if I have an opinion here other than we need to reenter through repentance. I think that if a heart is truly repentant then at some point the spirit will move on them again. JMO

[Coonskinner]

Bro. Nelson (Pioneer Pentecostal) used to preach that he only spoke in Tongues once in his life and that was when he recieved the Holy Ghost...

Brother Nelson did speak in tongues again before he passed away.

I was working as off bear on a sawmill the year he died.

My boss sent me to Claremore on an errand, and on a whim, I dropped in to see Brother Nelson in the nursing home there, still in my work clothes.

We prayed together, and the Holy Ghost fell in the room, and he spoke with tongues.

I did not know at the time that he had never spoken in tongues since he received the Holy Ghost, so I didn't think much about it.

A few months after he did pass away, I was eating lunch with his son after preaching the Sunday morning service, and happened to mention that prayer meeting.

Dewayne dropped his fork and burst out weeping...I didn't have a clue why until he explained.

I actually was with Brother Nelson about 90 seconds before he left this world.

I preached in his church that morning, went to see him after the service, and he died before I got out to my car.

Going back and preaching to that church that night was one of the hardest services I ever participated in.

He was a wonderful man, and always very kind to me.

[CupCake]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?

Ive meant many who've only spoken in tongues once in their life during our preaching days, yes they are saved. There is the gifts of tongues of many different languages like Koren, Spanish etc; these are not the same as receiving tongues of God as a sign of the infilling, this one sound like baby gab. One is of the gifts the other tongues is a sign of the infilling, a heavenly language only God and the angels understand it.


~ Ive seen people in filled with the HG speak in baby gab, but never to go on and receive the gifts of tongues of many languages. And I seen where many churches taught unless they speak with the gifts (tongues of many languages)they are not saved. They have seemly by pass the fact God in filled them, as His sign, they are saved.

[mizpeh]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?

No. if God had given him over to a reprobate mind, he never would have been able to come back to repentance. The Spirit of God never left him.

[ILG]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

[tbpew]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?

To be right with God....NO.

But the same benefit that speaking in tongues provided pertaining to unbelief involving a pre-19 year old believer, will again edify the 42 year old believer.

The subtlety of doubt (unbelief) lurking in some future shadow would have fewer hiding places if this witness was again a part of your brother's experience with God's spirit.

Since tongues are given for a sign to them who believe not
AND
He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself...

your brother being edifyied is a good thing.


1Co 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not

[Pastor Keith]

My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.

He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.

Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?

No, faith in God ultimately saves us, but there is a rich, deep spiritual dimension that he will miss out on.

I Cor. 14 details this in much detail.

There are 7 benefits to the believer who has the ongoing experience of praying in tongues.

[Kutless]

No, faith in God ultimately saves us, but there is a rich, deep spiritual dimension that he will miss out on.

I Cor. 14 details this in much detail.

There are 7 benefits to the believer who has the ongoing experience of praying in tongues.how are you connecting the Corithians tongues to initial infilling?

[deltaguitar]

Ok, this thread is great for me. Sometime I feel like I am the only one who doesn't speak in tongues. Now I have felt the spirit of God many times since I received the Holy Ghost at 8 years of age but at the age of 27 I feel like I am missing out on something.

Also, I am a youth leader and I shy away from the altar service because I feel like I shouldn't be trying to lead people to receive that Holy Ghost if I can barely remember the experience myself. How can I teach young people about the gift of the Holy Ghost if I can't fully speak in tongues myself?

How did the pastor mentioned above move in the Holy Spirit and teach others about the Holy Ghost? He must have had great faith.

This has been really bothering me in the last couple of years and more so now that I am even called a youth pastor when I don't speak in tongues. And it gets worse. What would people think if the youth pastor went to the altar to receive the Holy Ghost? What’s more, what if I didn't get it? This is why I freeze up and can't respond to the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit moves mightily in our services and I find myself getting nervous when people pray for me and I don't respond like I should. I then get even more nervous and then freeze up altogether and then don't feel God at all. This has caused me to fear being anywhere around the altar.


:covereyes

[chseeads]

Freezing up is your problem. Thaw out and just let God bless ya. :)

[deltaguitar]

Freezing up is your problem. Thaw out and just let God bless ya. :)

How? Look if it was so easy I think I would have.

[chseeads]

I'm not coming at you negatively or making light of what you said. I didn't mean to sound trite.

It's not always easy to get beyond our feelings with this kind of thing. Try not to focus on what you think other people's expected response out of you if they pray for you, etc. is. You're not responding or answering to them, you're responding to God. Keep your communication with God as your main focus and allow Him to just bless your soul.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with you personally just outright asking God to let you speak in tongues again because you want to know how it feels and experience it again.

When someone initially is seeking the Holy Ghost the focus should not be on getting tongues, but surrendering to the Lord (and that always applies throughout life for that matter), but if you've spoken before and you, in your time between just you and God, want to feel that again, I don't think that's anything displeasing to Him.

When I first got the Holy Ghost I didn't speak in tongues too long the first time, and then for a while after that I didn't anymore either. (Not a real long time, but a while though....) And I just wanted to 'pray through' again and speak in tongues, and I prayed to that end. And I did. Since then that has come much easier to me and is very commonplace for me. I don't ALWAYS speak in tongues, but I do a lot....

I think maybe some of it just has to do with learning how to let go of ourselves and be more receptive to the flow of the Spirit.

[Kutless]

Paul, while not one of the 12 obviously, but an apostle anyways, did write about his speaking in tongues.The tongues here were not talking about the infilling of the HG

[deltaguitar]

I'm not coming at you negatively or making light of what you said. I didn't mean to sound trite.

It's not always easy to get beyond our feelings with this kind of thing. Try not to focus on what you think other people's expected response out of you if they pray for you, etc. is. You're not responding or answering to them, you're responding to God. Keep your communication with God as your main focus and allow Him to just bless your soul.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with you personally just outright asking God to let you speak in tongues again because you want to know how it feels and experience it again.

When someone initially is seeking the Holy Ghost the focus should not be on getting tongues, but surrendering to the Lord (and that always applies throughout life for that matter), but if you've spoken before and you, in your time between just you and God, want to feel that again, I don't think that's anything displeasing to Him.

When I first got the Holy Ghost I didn't speak in tongues too long the first time, and then for a while after that I didn't anymore either. (Not a real long time, but a while though....) And I just wanted to 'pray through' again and speak in tongues, and I prayed to that end. And I did. Since then that has come much easier to me and is very commonplace for me. I don't ALWAYS speak in tongues, but I do a lot....

I think maybe some of it just has to do with learning how to let go of ourselves and be more receptive to the flow of the Spirit.


It is my goal to be able to be sensitive to the spirit and feel the presence of God once again. I have had faith in God for almost twenty years but in the last couple of years I have started to wonder and question because of this.

[chseeads]

The tongues here were not talking about the infilling of the HG

I don't think he was necessarily only speaking about giving messages in tongues to be interpreted in what he wrote about himself there....


But nevertheless, the question was did any of them speak in tongues again....so obviously they did, in one form or another. :)

[chseeads]

It is my goal to be able to be sensitive to the spirit and feel the presence of God once again. I have had faith in God for almost twenty years but in the last couple of years I have started to wonder and question because of this.

God doesn't want you to have to struggle with doubt. He's for you, not agin' you.


There's nothing wrong with going back to the well for a refill. :)

[Kutless]

I don't think he was necessarily only speaking about giving messages in tongues to be interpreted in what he wrote about himself there....


But nevertheless, the question was did any of them speak in tongues again....so obviously they did, in one form or another. :)The question was pertaining to the apostles. :popcorn2

[MrsMcD]

It is my goal to be able to be sensitive to the spirit and feel the presence of God once again. I have had faith in God for almost twenty years but in the last couple of years I have started to wonder and question because of this.

Get alone with God and pour your heart out to him about this. No one will be around but you and God.

[chseeads]

The question was pertaining to the apostles. :popcorn2


So was the answer. Paul were one.

[Pastor Keith]

how are you connecting the Corithians tongues to initial infilling?

I am not, his question was about his brother's failure to have an ongoing or subsequential refilling of the spirit.

[Scott Hutchinson]

If tongues are indeed , an initial sign of being baptized with the Holy Ghost , then it seems that one would speak in tongues beyond that initial experience as a sign along with the fruit of the Spirit as a sign of being Spirit Filled.
Maybe I'm off -base but if a beginning stage of receiving The Holy Spirit a believer will speak in tongues ,it would seem that tongues would remain as the Spirit abides in the live of a believer.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Maybe I'm off base but it seems that if tongues are indeed an initial or beginning or physical evidence of The Holy Ghost ,then it would seem that one would speak in tongues beyond that initial experience as a sign of the abiding of The Holy Ghost along with the fruit of the Spirit.

[Pressing-On]

To be right with God....NO.

But the same benefit that speaking in tongues provided pertaining to unbelief involving a pre-19 year old believer, will again edify the 42 year old believer.

The subtlety of doubt (unbelief) lurking in some future shadow would have fewer hiding places if this witness was again a part of your brother's experience with God's spirit.

Since tongues are given for a sign to them who believe not
AND
He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself...

your brother being edifyied is a good thing.

Good post, tbpew! I agree!

[Sherri]

It seems like the way we were taught (that you only had to speak in tongues once to be saved) is not very biblical. I don't think that speaking in tongues once is your ticket-punch for heaven. Tongues are for our edification and to pray in the Spirit is to pray in agreement with God. It should be a common occurrence in the life of a Spirit filled believer.

People get nervous when some others speak about their "prayer language", but that's usually used by people who have learned to flow in tongues anytime they want to pray in the Spirit, and usually they don't come from a Spirit filled background. I've heard people in our church say, "When I received my tongue...." and I don't correct them, because that's just how they describe it. It's not something I would say, but it's how they relate to what's happened to them.