Immigration; Are we making a difference?

[Hoovie]

Immigration a Problem?

Are we making a real difference in the world by having loose borders?

I found this very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
n7WJeqxuOfQ

[CupCake]

Immigration a Problem?

Are we making a real difference in the world by having loose borders?

I found this very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

I went up and listen, pretty good.

I believe our problems go beyond just the immigration problems, there just way to many people in this world.

[Pressing-On]

I don't think we have at all. There is too much bribery and murder going on. You can't even trust the Border Patrol.

[seguidordejesus]

Vamos, hombre! Si me pagas te doy un nalgazo, si no, te doy un balazo!

[HeavenlyOne]

If it weren't for immigration, none of us would be here.

[HeavenlyOne]

Vamos, hombre! Si me pagas te doy un nalgazo, si no, te doy un balazo!

Spanish is banned from this forum, didn't you know that???


:D

[seguidordejesus]

Spanish is banned from this forum, didn't you know that???


:D

Are you Italian!!!???:usa

[HeavenlyOne]

Are you Italian!!!???:usa

No, but I eat at Luigi's about once a week, does that count?

[ChicagoPastor]

If it weren't for immigration, none of us would be here.

:itsover
EXACTLY!!!

I think it is very selfish for 3rd to 5th generation European immigrants to complain about immigration problems in the US and to try to close the border between Latin America and the U.S.

as was just stated, how do you think your relatives got here?

[Thad]

I don't know if you all heard, but San Francisco and the bay area has declared itself a Pro illegal immigrant Zone. The mayor of SF told the city to rebel against the federal laws regarding imigration.

[Pressing-On]

If it weren't for immigration, none of us would be here.

Ho,
This is totally not the same issue.

Immigration is for people that want to come and be an American and loyal to the system.

Illegal immigration is coming over here and trying to take over America with no intended loyalty at all.

This is the big issue. Flying the Mexican flag and claiming that they will take Tejas back is not loyalty.

Don't get me started!!!!! :hunter

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I don't think we have at all. There is too much bribery and murder going on. You can't even trust the Border Patrol.

Don't slam them for trying to do their job. One of the BP Agents was jailed for almost a year. Seems he disarmed an illegal and his crime- pushed him to the floor to cuff him.

Al-Quida could walk (or may have already) our borders and no one would flinch.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Ho,
This is totally not the same issue.

Immigration is for people that want to come and be an American and loyal to the system.

Illegal immigration is coming over here and trying to take over America with no intended loyalty at all.

This is the big issue. Flying the Mexican flag and claiming that they will take Tejas back is not loyalty.

Don't get me started!!!!! :hunter

Some of them are here simply to work in our fields and earn a living!

[Hoovie]

:itsover
EXACTLY!!!

I think it is very selfish for 3rd to 5th generation European immigrants to complain about immigration problems in the US and to try to close the border between Latin America and the U.S.

as was just stated, how do you think your relatives got here?

I would be in favor of stopping all illegal immigration - by whatever means needed - then loosening the legal channels with the proper protections and safegaurds in place.

It's not so much overpopulation but the criminals and terrorist elements that I worry about.

[Thad]

:itsover
EXACTLY!!!

I think it is very selfish for 3rd to 5th generation European immigrants to complain about immigration problems in the US and to try to close the border between Latin America and the U.S.

as was just stated, how do you think your relatives got here?

I have no problem with them being here. The Problem is here in Calif. they are putting so much strain on the medical industry that some hospitals have even closed. Do you want to keep paying higher taxes for this ? There has to be some trade off.
when the other generations came, they didn't have all the red tape and paper work to go through but they also didn't have all the freebies that illegals have now too. someone has to pay for that you know ?

[Pressing-On]

Don't slam them for trying to do their job. On of the BP Agents was jailed for almost a year. Seems he disarmed an illegal and his crime- pushed him to the floor to cuff him.

Al-Quida could walk (or may have already) our borders and no one would flinch.
Sure, a few will do that. Many have been killed and many have taken money. The border is not safe. Enlist the Minutemen!

Some of them are here simply to work in our fields and earn a living!
Some are and that's true, but they are not here to be loyal to this country. They need to all be documented like Newt said. A large percentage of them are in our prisons and using our taxes to populate children on both sides of the border. I suspect I live closer to the border than you do.

Don't get me started!!!

[Pressing-On]

I have no problem with them being here. The Problem is here in Calif. they are putting so much strain on the medical industry that some hospitals have even closed. Do you want to keep paying higher taxes for this ? There has to be some trade off.
when the other generations came, they didn't have all the red tape and paper work to go through but they also didn't have all the freebies that illegals have now too. someone has to pay for that you know ?
Good post, Thad. I was going to bring up the medical issue.

[ChicagoPastor]

Ho,
This is totally not the same issue.

Immigration is for people that want to come and be an American and loyal to the system.

Illegal immigration is coming over here and trying to take over America with no intended loyalty at all.

This is the big issue. Flying the Mexican flag and claiming that they will take Tejas back is not loyalty.

Don't get me started!!!!! :hunter

Don't get ME started

Most......not all.......MOST illegal immigrants come over because they do want to be loyal to this country. They're not trying to "take it over" the way you accuse.
They do pay taxes.......the LIE or myth that all illegal immigrants are "mooching" from this country and don't pay back in is a LIE.

How does flying a mexican flag, differ than someone in Chicago or New York flying an Italian flag...or a southern who flys a Confederate flag?

[Lost]

Some of them are here simply to work in our fields and earn a living!

I suppose shooting them on sight would probably be a bit much. :2cents

[Pressing-On]

Don't get ME started

Most......not all.......MOST illegal immigrants come over because they do want to be loyal to this country. They're not trying to "take it over" the way you accuse.
They do pay taxes.......the LIE or myth that all illegal immigrants are "mooching" from this country and don't pay back in is a LIE.

How does flying a mexican flag, differ than someone in Chicago or New York flying an Italian flag...or a southern who flys a Confederate flag?

Sorry, I don't agree with the most.

[ChicagoPastor]

I would be in favor of stopping all illegal immigration - by whatever means needed - then loosening the legal channels with the proper protections and safegaurds in place.

It's not so much overpopulation but the criminals and terrorist elements that I worry about.

I know our society is now always fearful or terrorism, but think for a moment, how many terrorists have come through Mexico?
That's not where the problem has been.

It's easier for someone from Europe/Asia, or the Middle East to get a visa than it is someone from Latin AMerica and that's a fact.

We don't have a bunch of illegal muslims running around the USA, because the U.S. doesn't have an issue giving them visas.

[Hoovie]

Don't get ME started

Most......not all.......MOST illegal immigrants come over because they do want to be loyal to this country. They're not trying to "take it over" the way you accuse.
They do pay taxes.......the LIE or myth that all illegal immigrants are "mooching" from this country and don't pay back in is a LIE.

How does flying a Mexican flag, differ than someone in Chicago or New York flying an Italian flag...or a southern who flys a Confederate flag?

Are you only in favor of illegal immigrants from Mexico, or do you also support illegals from Iran, the Sudan, and Saudi Arabia?

[Thad]

Are you only in favor of illegal immigrants from Mexico, or do you also support illegals from Iran, the Sudan, and Saudi Arabia?


that's an interesting Question! one I never thought about it

I would like to ask the Mayor of SF that Qs

[ChicagoPastor]

Sorry, I don't agree with the most.

I work with the Latin American community on a daily basis and am myself Latin American.
My Father came becuase he wanted a better life and knew that the USA could provide it. He came over when there was an amnestiy and has always been legal, but how do you deny someone a better life because you feel like you own the country?
That sounds harsh but that is the attitude portrayed by you.
Your ancestors were able to come over and get a better life in America, why can't someone else do the same?

I will tell you this, IF Congress makes the immigration reform it is talking about, you will see MILLIONS of Latinos fix their papers and become legal.
They don't want to be here illegaly, in fact their life as an illegal is a lot harder than you know it.
They didn't want to cross the border illegaly but it was the only way for the them to come to this country

[Hoovie]

I know our society is now always fearful or terrorism, but think for a moment, how many terrorists have come through Mexico?That's not where the problem has been.

It's easier for someone from Europe/Asia, or the Middle East to get a visa than it is someone from Latin AMerica and that's a fact.

We don't have a bunch of illegal muslims running around the USA, because the U.S. doesn't have an issue giving them visas.


I hope you can still say that in a few years. The fact that you know this would make us naive to think Muslim Terrorists don't also know the same thing and plan to utilize it.


I am anti-illegal immigration in all cases. If we can't control our borders we have no real security in the US.

If we need to loosen the legal channels - then so be it - but stopping what is illegal and criminal is a different issue really.

[ChicagoPastor]

Are you only in favor of illegal immigrants from Mexico, or do you also support illegals from Iran, the Sudan, and Saudi Arabia?


Latin America is much bigger than just mexico.
I am IN FAVOR of immigration, period. Doesn't matter the country.

Since 9/11 people are making a big deal about the mexican border and how a terrorist could cross over. My point is, they don't have to cross the border illegaly because the US lets middle easterners in a lot easier than they would someone from Latin America.

[ChicagoPastor]

I hope you can still say that in a few years. The fact that you know this would make us naive to think Muslim Terrorists don't also know the same thing and plan to utilize it.


I am anti-illegal immigration in all cases. If we can't control our borders we have no real security in the US.

If we need to loosen the legal channels - then so be it - but stopping what is illegal and criminal is a different issue really.


It's not that I encourage illegal immigration, I understand why they're coming over...it's not about taking advantage or mooching off of the USA, it's about a better life for themselves and their family... but the legal channels have to be loosened. If the laws are changed, you will see a dramatic decrease in illegal immigration.

[Thad]

I work with the Latin American community on a daily basis and am myself Latin American.
My Father came becuase he wanted a better life and knew that the USA could provide it. He came over when there was an amnestiy and has always been legal, but how do you deny someone a better life because you feel like you own the country?
That sounds harsh but that is the attitude portrayed by you.
Your ancestors were able to come over and get a better life in America, why can't someone else do the same?

I will tell you this, IF Congress makes the immigration reform it is talking about, you will see MILLIONS of Latinos fix their papers and become legal.
They don't want to be here illegaly, in fact their life as an illegal is a lot harder than you know it.
They didn't want to cross the border illegaly but it was the only way for the them to come to this country

i understand i really do. i honor and admire the work ethic of the hispanic community and their family values. I am one that has no problem with it CP. as i asked though, what do we do when our basic systems become depleted? raise our taxes? they are already off the charts here.
my grandparents imigrated and settled in chicago but they didnt have welfare and medicare etc then. you just had to do it on your own.

[Thad]

Latin America is much bigger than just mexico.
I am IN FAVOR of immigration, period. Doesn't matter the country.

Since 9/11 people are making a big deal about the mexican border and how a terrorist could cross over. My point is, they don't have to cross the border illegaly because the US lets middle easterners in a lot easier than they would someone from Latin America.


i wonder why that is when it's a proven fact that they have done almost all the terrorist attacks in the world.

[Hoovie]

Latin America is much bigger than just mexico.
I am IN FAVOR of immigration, period. Doesn't matter the country.

Since 9/11 people are making a big deal about the mexican border and how a terrorist could cross over. My point is, they don't have to cross the border illegally because the US lets middle easterners in a lot easier than they would someone from Latin America.

Sorry but this is apples and oranges really. When we can run a FBI and Homeland Security background check on someone it is always better.

I am pro immigration too. It is vital for much of our economy to compete. However, what illegal immigrants want is of no consequence really. We are a nation of laws, not wishes. The vast majority of the third world would wish to live here.

[ChicagoPastor]

i understand i really do. i honor and admire the work ethic of the hispanic community and their family values. I am one that has no problem with it CP. as i asked though, what do we do when our basic systems become depleted? raise our taxes? they are already off the charts here.
my grandparents imigrated and settled in chicago but they didnt have welfare and medicare etc then. you just had to do it on your own.

Thad, I know the world is a lot bigger than just who I deal with...but honestly I deal with VERY FEW immigrants who are on welfare...


In fact, let me tell you this.
I pastor a Spanish Church. In my years as Pastor, I have yet to have one black or spanish homeless person come to ask me for money.
The ONLY people that ever come asking for money or assistance are white people specificly white males :notme

I do understand your concern and it is something that has be dealt with.

[Pressing-On]

On September 22, 2005, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report documenting the risk of failure to secure the borders.

According to the report, in 2004 the US Border Patrol apprehended 1.16 million people attempting to enter the US illegally.

If we go along with the USBP's statistic that one in four illegal aliens gets caught, this means that some 4.64 million illegal aliens attempted entry into the US in 2004 and of these 3.48 million got here undetected.

More than just a threat, we have clear proof that the Lebanon based terrorist organization Hezbollah has already brought sleeper agents into the US across our southern border.

On March 1, 2005, Mahmoud Youssef Kourani pleaded guilty to federal charges of using meetings at his home in Dearborn, Michigan to raise money for Hezbollah's terrorist activities in Lebanon.

Kourani was an illegal alien who had been smuggled across our border through Mexico after he bribed a Mexican consular official in Beirut to get him a visa to travel to Mexico. Kourani and a Middle Eastern traveling partner then paid "coyotes" in Mexico to get them into the US.

Kourani established residence among the Lebanese expatriate community in Dearborn, Michigan and began soliciting funds for Hezbollah terrorists back home.

In December 2002, Salim Boughader Mucharrafille, a cafe owner in Tijuana, Mexico was arrested for smuggling more than two hundred Lebanese illegally into the US, including several believed to have terrorist ties to Hezbollah.

On November 12, 2003, Mexican authorities arrested Imelda Ortiz Abdala, Mexico's consul in Lebanon, on human-trafficking charges for helping Boughader organize his smuggling scheme to get Hezbollah operatives into the US through Tijuana.

The vast majority of illegal aliens caught at the border by the USBP - 93 percent - are Mexicans. For this reason, the USBP, for simplicity, divides apprehended illegal aliens into two categories - Mexicans and "other than Mexicans", or OTM's for short.

The Border Patrol captures a staggering number of OTMs, a total of 119,192 in 2005, most of who were from Middle Eastern countries. Even more alarming, the number of OTMs apprehended has more than tripled - increasing 220 percent from 2002 to 2005.

Mexico won't take responsibility for the OTMs, because they are not Mexican citizens. So, the US is left with having to deport the person to their country of nationality. Returning an OTM is not as simple as putting the person on a bus and driving them home. In most cases, a hearing is required, so the OTMs are simply released into society on their promise to return on a specified court date, a promise usually broken.

[Pressing-On]

I work with the Latin American community on a daily basis and am myself Latin American.
My Father came becuase he wanted a better life and knew that the USA could provide it. He came over when there was an amnestiy and has always been legal, but how do you deny someone a better life because you feel like you own the country?
That sounds harsh but that is the attitude portrayed by you.
Your ancestors were able to come over and get a better life in America, why can't someone else do the same?

I will tell you this, IF Congress makes the immigration reform it is talking about, you will see MILLIONS of Latinos fix their papers and become legal.
They don't want to be here illegaly, in fact their life as an illegal is a lot harder than you know it.
They didn't want to cross the border illegaly but it was the only way for the them to come to this country
I have a different perspective living around many of them here close to the Mexican border.

[ChicagoPastor]

I have a different perspective living around many of them here close to the Mexican border.

I'm not arguing with you or trying to carry on.

Your perspective is based on where you live

What I stated is my perspective based on the millions that lived around me in Chicago and the hundreds of thousands that now live around me in Virginia.

[Pressing-On]

I'm not arguing with you or trying to carry on.

Your perspective is based on where you live

What I stated is my perspective based on the millions that lived around me in Chicago and the hundreds of thousands that now live around me in Virginia.

I am not trying to argue either. We have some good friends doing excellent work with the Spanish ministries. They are a hard people to deal with, for the most part. Even Wynn Drost said the same thing.

I am specifically speaking of the "wets". I'd have to go into details which couldn't be posted here.

We have some that have moved up the street from us. I don't even go outside and go walking anymore and keep the door locked when my husband is at work. They are undocumented, like white women, and well.....

This is a reality for me, here in Texas. You can scoff and think it's crazy, but we know.

Don't get me started! :D

[ChicagoPastor]

I am not trying to argue either. We have some good friends doing excellent work with the Spanish ministries. They are a hard people to deal with, for the most part. Even Wynn Drost said the same thing.

I am specifically speaking of the "wets". I'd have to go into details which couldn't be posted here.

We have some that have moved up the street from us. I don't even go outside and go walking anymore and keep the door locked when my husband is at work. They are undocumented, like white women, and well.....

This is a reality for me, here in Texas. You can scoff and think it's crazy, but we know.

Don't get me started! :D


First off, your comment about the "wets" is VERY offensive. To me that is about as bad as you calling a black person the "n" word.

I live amongst white people and I keep my doors locked too.
I have relatives in Texas too, they don't talk the way you do.

The people in my neighborhood that cause the most problems are white, but I don't talk about them the way you do about Latinos.

You unfortunatley sound racist.

I'm not saying there isn't bad latinos out there...but NO MORE than there are white or black or any other race.

[Pressing-On]

First off, your comment about the "wets" is VERY offensive. To me that is about as bad as you calling a black person the "n" word.

I live amongst white people and I keep my doors locked too.
I have relatives in Texas too, they don't talk the way you do.

The people in my neighborhood that cause the most problems are white, but I don't talk about them the way you do about Latinos.

You unfortunatley sound racist.

I'm not saying there isn't bad latinos out there...but NO MORE than there are white or black or any other race.

I'm sorry to have offended you. It's a term that is used here by most of the ranchers and farmers. I suppose I am a little prejudice toward the dangerous and offensive Mexicans that come through here.

Incidentally, the word, "wets" used in our area is not generally used in a derogatory term. It simply identifies the illegal from the American Mexican. I can see how it could be "not" politically correct, though.

My father's ranch was open to any that came through Eagle Pass. They knew they could stop there to rest and to eat, but we were warned to not look at the men or talk when they were around.

I guess it has bothered me more than I have ever been aware.

[HeavenlyOne]

Ho,
This is totally not the same issue.

Immigration is for people that want to come and be an American and loyal to the system.

Illegal immigration is coming over here and trying to take over America with no intended loyalty at all.

This is the big issue. Flying the Mexican flag and claiming that they will take Tejas back is not loyalty.

Don't get me started!!!!! :hunter

Well, I live in lowly Wisconsin where the local Indian tribes see me as an illegal immigrant, but they don't realize I'm just as Native American as they are. :D

[HeavenlyOne]

I work with the Latin American community on a daily basis and am myself Latin American.
My Father came becuase he wanted a better life and knew that the USA could provide it. He came over when there was an amnestiy and has always been legal, but how do you deny someone a better life because you feel like you own the country?
That sounds harsh but that is the attitude portrayed by you.
Your ancestors were able to come over and get a better life in America, why can't someone else do the same?

I will tell you this, IF Congress makes the immigration reform it is talking about, you will see MILLIONS of Latinos fix their papers and become legal.
They don't want to be here illegaly, in fact their life as an illegal is a lot harder than you know it.
They didn't want to cross the border illegaly but it was the only way for the them to come to this country

And if we will be honest with ourselves....the white people anyway.....we did this same thing when we came over in the 1500's and 1600's. We took over this country and made it our own. There was no better life here when our ancestors came over. This was 'the new world' and a place to explore, but we turned it into our own country and left the indians with nothing but casinos and reservations.

I don't live in Texas or anywhere in the southwest where I know there are problems that the rest of the world doesn't see, but I don't see it as any different than what we did 500 years ago to the natives who lived here when we took over.

[HeavenlyOne]

Sorry but this is apples and oranges really. When we can run a FBI and Homeland Security background check on someone it is always better.

I am pro immigration too. It is vital for much of our economy to compete. However, what illegal immigrants want is of no consequence really. We are a nation of laws, not wishes. The vast majority of the third world would wish to live here.

The problem for me is, they will be doing those background checks on me and expecting me to carry a national ID card.

If this country wasn't so free in giving illegals money and welfare, there might not be much of a reason for them to come over unless it's to work for a living.

[Hoovie]

The problem for me is, they will be doing those background checks on me and expecting me to carry a national ID card.If this country wasn't so free in giving illegals money and welfare, there might not be much of a reason for them to come over unless it's to work for a living.

Call it what you want but if you travel abroad they are already profiling you and checking you out.

[HeavenlyOne]

Call it what you want but if you travel abroad they are already profiling you and checking you out.

Good thing I don't travel abroad.....LOL!

[chaotic_resolve]

Don't get ME started

Most......not all.......MOST illegal immigrants come over because they do want to be loyal to this country. They're not trying to "take it over" the way you accuse. They do pay taxes.......the LIE or myth that all illegal immigrants are "mooching" from this country and don't pay back in is a LIE.
Illegals get free education - on the citizens dime
Illegals get free health care - on the citizens dime

There's more, but I'm pressed for time. Bottom line, most Illegals ~are~ moochers. It's not a lie. Phoenix metro hospital ERs are ~PACKED~ with them. They're a burden to the welfare, justice and healthcare system.


Your ancestors were able to come over and get a better life in America, why can't someone else do the same?

I will tell you this, IF Congress makes the immigration reform it is talking about, you will see MILLIONS of Latinos fix their papers and become legal.
They don't want to be here illegaly, in fact their life as an illegal is a lot harder than you know it. They didn't want to cross the border illegaly but it was the only way for the them to come to this country

1) My ancestors went through the proper immigration channels, then they assimilated into the American culture. Illegals don't do that. For one, their illegal - they haven't gone through the proper paperwork. And most don't want anything to do with American culture. They just want tax-free money to send back to Mexico.

IF Congress passes this stupid amnesty again (Reagan made a terrible mistake doing this in the 80s) - you WON'T see millions fixing their papers and becoming legal. What you WILL see is millions more trying to come illegally into the country in hopes that stupid politicians will give them amnesty.

You're being dishonest when you say the only way for them to come into America is illegally. I worked in Immigration for several years and there is a process for ~everyone~. They come in illegally because they think they're better than the others who are waiting. They're impatient. They're selfish. They're mostly troublemakers who fill our jails and prisons.


It's not that I encourage illegal immigration, I understand why they're coming over...it's not about taking advantage or mooching off of the USA, it's about a better life for themselves and their family... but the legal channels have to be loosened. If the laws are changed, you will see a dramatic decrease in illegal immigration.

Legal channels don't have to be loosened! Laws need not be changed! We already have immigration laws; we already have a process. Why do ~we~ have to change things? It's blasted ridiculous that we're the one's that have to change everything.

I mean, we have government buildings and forms that are bi-lingual now. Our restaurants and other stores have to be bi-lingual. Instead of America having to adapt to illegals and other immigrants, why don't the immigrants and illegals adapt to America? Learn English if you're coming here for crying out loud!


First off, your comment about the "wets" is VERY offensive. To me that is about as bad as you calling a black person the "n" word.

I live amongst white people and I keep my doors locked too.
I have relatives in Texas too, they don't talk the way you do.

The people in my neighborhood that cause the most problems are white, but I don't talk about them the way you do about Latinos.

You unfortunatley sound racist.

I'm not saying there isn't bad latinos out there...but NO MORE than there are white or black or any other race.

I was waiting for the race card to be played. It happens every single time.

I've lived in two different cities in the past 3 years. Both have experienced crime rates going higher because of illegals. Both have had plummeting property values from the influx of illegals.

There was a young man from my church in another state who was stabbed and killed by an illegal. The illegal ran into the yard and stole a shovel and when this 14 year old kid ran after him, he turned around and stabbed him.

In the same state there was a kid who didn't come to church, but I'd met him. He was attacked by a gang of illegals over a bad drug deal. They cut off his hand, stabbed him multiple times and left him for dead. Miraculously he survived.

Here in my state now, crime rates soar from them. Filthy Coyotes who transport them from the border and put them in drop houses all around the Phoenix metro area. Recently an illegal stole a car, took police on a chase and ended up broadsiding another car, killing the woman driver.

President Bush and Congress need to stop groveling at the feet of el Presidente Fox or the other Mexican leaders; they need to stop the invasion by placing armed military guards at the border; they need to restrict, not loosen immigration numbers per year.

And if Illegals are so interested in having a better life . . . do what we did back in the day - start a revolution in their own country and change their own country instead of destroying the US.

:2cents

[Rico]

I work with the Latin American community on a daily basis and am myself Latin American.
My Father came becuase he wanted a better life and knew that the USA could provide it. He came over when there was an amnestiy and has always been legal, but how do you deny someone a better life because you feel like you own the country?
That sounds harsh but that is the attitude portrayed by you.
Your ancestors were able to come over and get a better life in America, why can't someone else do the same?

I will tell you this, IF Congress makes the immigration reform it is talking about, you will see MILLIONS of Latinos fix their papers and become legal.
They don't want to be here illegaly, in fact their life as an illegal is a lot harder than you know it.
They didn't want to cross the border illegaly but it was the only way for the them to come to this country

I am Hispanic myself and I think all this illegal immigratin needs to STOP and STOP NOW! There is no reason why street signs in this country should be in any language other than ENGLISH!! All these illegals need to GO BACK HOME!! They are a drain on society, particularly the medical industry.

[CupCake]

Don't slam them for trying to do their job. One of the BP Agents was jailed for almost a year. Seems he disarmed an illegal and his crime- pushed him to the floor to cuff him.

Al-Quida could walk (or may have already) our borders and no one would flinch.

My brother in law worked borders control for 10 years, in comes down to this, it's a game of catch and release. They do there jobs, our Government won't back them up, another thing many women cross the border to give birth, once they cross and in labor along with their other children they take them all straight to the hospital so the mother can give birth, where this entitled the mother and her children to our health system and benefits, welfare, that we pay into but can't take a advantage of. My brother law has told me he not once drag a women back over who was in labor, it be inhuman, but he has drag men back over.

Another thing if you leave America and immigrate to another country you must still pay the USA taxes for the next twelve years, even though you no longer live or work here. So who's really the slaves and unfree!

[Rico]

Illegals get free education - on the citizens dime
Illegals get free health care - on the citizens dime

There's more, but I'm pressed for time. Bottom line, most Illegals ~are~ moochers. It's not a lie. Phoenix metro hospital ERs are ~PACKED~ with them. They're a burden to the welfare, justice and healthcare system.




1) My ancestors went through the proper immigration channels, then they assimilated into the American culture. Illegals don't do that. For one, their illegal - they haven't gone through the proper paperwork. And most don't want anything to do with American culture. They just want tax-free money to send back to Mexico.

IF Congress passes this stupid amnesty again (Reagan made a terrible mistake doing this in the 80s) - you WON'T see millions fixing their papers and becoming legal. What you WILL see is millions more trying to come illegally into the country in hopes that stupid politicians will give them amnesty.

You're being dishonest when you say the only way for them to come into America is illegally. I worked in Immigration for several years and there is a process for ~everyone~. They come in illegally because they think they're better than the others who are waiting. They're impatient. They're selfish. They're mostly troublemakers who fill our jails and prisons.




Legal channels don't have to be loosened! Laws need not be changed! We already have immigration laws; we already have a process. Why do ~we~ have to change things? It's blasted ridiculous that we're the one's that have to change everything.

I mean, we have government buildings and forms that are bi-lingual now. Our restaurants and other stores have to be bi-lingual. Instead of America having to adapt to illegals and other immigrants, why don't the immigrants and illegals adapt to America? Learn English if you're coming here for crying out loud!




I was waiting for the race card to be played. It happens every single time.

I've lived in two different cities in the past 3 years. Both have experienced crime rates going higher because of illegals. Both have had plummeting property values from the influx of illegals.

There was a young man from my church in another state who was stabbed and killed by an illegal. The illegal ran into the yard and stole a shovel and when this 14 year old kid ran after him, he turned around and stabbed him.

In the same state there was a kid who didn't come to church, but I'd met him. He was attacked by a gang of illegals over a bad drug deal. They cut off his hand, stabbed him multiple times and left him for dead. Miraculously he survived.

Here in my state now, crime rates soar from them. Filthy Coyotes who transport them from the border and put them in drop houses all around the Phoenix metro area. Recently an illegal stole a car, took police on a chase and ended up broadsiding another car, killing the woman driver.

President Bush and Congress need to stop groveling at the feet of el Presidente Fox or the other Mexican leaders; they need to stop the invasion by placing armed military guards at the border; they need to restrict, not loosen immigration numbers per year.

And if Illegals are so interested in having a better life . . . do what we did back in the day - start a revolution in their own country and change their own country instead of destroying the US.

:2cents


And the fat guy in IN says



AMEN!!

[Pressing-On]

The problem for me is, they will be doing those background checks on me and expecting me to carry a national ID card.

If this country wasn't so free in giving illegals money and welfare, there might not be much of a reason for them to come over unless it's to work for a living.

This is my main gripe about the whole thing. I'm tired of them "refusing" to speak English and saying that they are going to take over Texas.

[Pressing-On]

And if we will be honest with ourselves....the white people anyway.....we did this same thing when we came over in the 1500's and 1600's. We took over this country and made it our own. There was no better life here when our ancestors came over. This was 'the new world' and a place to explore, but we turned it into our own country and left the indians with nothing but casinos and reservations.

I don't live in Texas or anywhere in the southwest where I know there are problems that the rest of the world doesn't see, but I don't see it as any different than what we did 500 years ago to the natives who lived here when we took over.

I see it different. We didn't come here to tear up and make a country look poverty stricken with refrigerators in the back yard.

Men and women came here and built, crafted and made a great nation.

The illegals are doing nothing of the sort. Most of the places they all live together is trashy and ghetto. They bring the communities down and not up.

We bought a fixer upper house in our area and the school closed last year. We are going to have to finish our work, sell and move. The illegals are moving in because the plants around here are hiring them.

My two most favorite words, "El Migra!"

[Hoovie]

I see it different. We didn't come here to tear up and make a country look poverty stricken with refrigerators in the back yard.
Men and women came here and built, crafted and made a great nation.

The illegals are doing nothing of the sort. Most of the places they all live together is trashy and ghetto. They bring the communities down and not up.

We bought a fixer upper house in our area and the school closed last year. We are going to have to finish our work, sell and move. The illegals are moving in because the plants around here are hiring them.

My two most favorite words, "El Migra!"


OK that does it! You are a racist!:telephone :preach

[HeavenlyOne]

I see it different. We didn't come here to tear up and make a country look poverty stricken with refrigerators in the back yard.

Men and women came here and built, crafted and made a great nation.

The illegals are doing nothing of the sort. Most of the places they all live together is trashy and ghetto. They bring the communities down and not up.

We bought a fixer upper house in our area and the school closed last year. We are going to have to finish our work, sell and move. The illegals are moving in because the plants around here are hiring them.

My two most favorite words, "El Migra!"

The Indian people see it differently. They were here for God knows how long and along comes white man to turn this place into a white man's world, which is exactly what happened.

And yes, we crafted and built a great nation, but we started 500 years ago to get what we have today.

I'm not excusing what the illegals are doing, but I wonder how many of us would be here today had the Indians had border patrol back then and refused to let us all in.

See, I live in an area where there are several Indian tribes. There is a lot of racism here directed at whites. It's strange for me because, as a white woman, I'm not used to dealing with that myself. But I can't help but understand why they feel like they do, yet at the same time, I feel they should get over it and get on with life.

I have to say there are more Indians who are wonderful people than those who aren't. Some tribes are better than others and take care of their people and use their money wisely while others have ghetto-like reservations for their people.

Yes, we have a pretty life today, but it wasn't pretty for the first 380 years after our ancestors first came here.

[Pressing-On]

OK that does it! You are a racist!:telephone :preach

:toofunny

Sorry, I forgot they do that in Arkansas also.

[Pressing-On]

The Indian people see it differently. They were here for God knows how long and along comes white man to turn this place into a white man's world, which is exactly what happened.

And yes, we crafted and built a great nation, but we started 500 years ago to get what we have today.

I'm not excusing what the illegals are doing, but I wonder how many of us would be here today had the Indians had border patrol back then and refused to let us all in.

See, I live in an area where there are several Indian tribes. There is a lot of racism here directed at whites. It's strange for me because, as a white woman, I'm not used to dealing with that myself. But I can't help but understand why they feel like they do, yet at the same time, I feel they should get over it and get on with life.

I have to say there are more Indians who are wonderful people than those who aren't. Some tribes are better than others and take care of their people and use their money wisely while others have ghetto-like reservations for their people.

Yes, we have a pretty life today, but it wasn't pretty for the first 380 years after our ancestors first came here.
The public school system is very good about skewing the facts and promoting a racist attitude. History shows that the Indians, indeed, were willing to work with the white people. Some were dishonest in the whole deal, but many were just trying to understand them.

No, this country would never have been great if the Indians ruled with their superstitions and dangerous way of life. They treated the women horrible to name a few.

I will also say that the blacks had a hard time in the beginning, but from all of that they are now the most sought after in the Gospel music industry. I doubt that would have happened in Africa.

We also, through shed blood, came out of England with freedom of expression,

I don't know how the Illegal issue will play out.

But, if they keep refusing to speak English and playing dumb so people will just hand them things, it isn't going to cause any respect on their part.

[Pressing-On]

Illegals get free education - on the citizens dime
Illegals get free health care - on the citizens dime

There's more, but I'm pressed for time. Bottom line, most Illegals ~are~ moochers. It's not a lie. Phoenix metro hospital ERs are ~PACKED~ with them. They're a burden to the welfare, justice and healthcare system.




1) My ancestors went through the proper immigration channels, then they assimilated into the American culture. Illegals don't do that. For one, their illegal - they haven't gone through the proper paperwork. And most don't want anything to do with American culture. They just want tax-free money to send back to Mexico.

IF Congress passes this stupid amnesty again (Reagan made a terrible mistake doing this in the 80s) - you WON'T see millions fixing their papers and becoming legal. What you WILL see is millions more trying to come illegally into the country in hopes that stupid politicians will give them amnesty.

You're being dishonest when you say the only way for them to come into America is illegally. I worked in Immigration for several years and there is a process for ~everyone~. They come in illegally because they think they're better than the others who are waiting. They're impatient. They're selfish. They're mostly troublemakers who fill our jails and prisons.




Legal channels don't have to be loosened! Laws need not be changed! We already have immigration laws; we already have a process. Why do ~we~ have to change things? It's blasted ridiculous that we're the one's that have to change everything.

I mean, we have government buildings and forms that are bi-lingual now. Our restaurants and other stores have to be bi-lingual. Instead of America having to adapt to illegals and other immigrants, why don't the immigrants and illegals adapt to America? Learn English if you're coming here for crying out loud!




I was waiting for the race card to be played. It happens every single time.

I've lived in two different cities in the past 3 years. Both have experienced crime rates going higher because of illegals. Both have had plummeting property values from the influx of illegals.

There was a young man from my church in another state who was stabbed and killed by an illegal. The illegal ran into the yard and stole a shovel and when this 14 year old kid ran after him, he turned around and stabbed him.

In the same state there was a kid who didn't come to church, but I'd met him. He was attacked by a gang of illegals over a bad drug deal. They cut off his hand, stabbed him multiple times and left him for dead. Miraculously he survived.

Here in my state now, crime rates soar from them. Filthy Coyotes who transport them from the border and put them in drop houses all around the Phoenix metro area. Recently an illegal stole a car, took police on a chase and ended up broadsiding another car, killing the woman driver.

President Bush and Congress need to stop groveling at the feet of el Presidente Fox or the other Mexican leaders; they need to stop the invasion by placing armed military guards at the border; they need to restrict, not loosen immigration numbers per year.

And if Illegals are so interested in having a better life . . . do what we did back in the day - start a revolution in their own country and change their own country instead of destroying the US.

:2cents
Good post.

The FBI estimates that today there are approximately thirty thousand violent gangs in the US, with 800,000 members impacting 2,500 communities. The growth in Hispanic gangs dominates the gang underground in America today.

MS-13, one of the most notorious Hispanic gangs, operates in some 34 different states and the District of Columbia. Even more frightening, the Hispanic gangs in the US have connected with counterparts in Mexico, Central America, and South America.

The MS-13 was formed by refugees from the revolution in El Salvador, who settled in Los Angeles in the early 80's.

The MS-13 makes money dealing drugs, dealing in stolen merchandise, running guns and human cargo. The drugs come across the border from Mexico and are supplied by the Mexican drug cartels. They do a handy business in stolen vehicles.

Along the border, MS-13 controls much of the "coyote" activities that regulates who and what gets to cross the border into the US. Illegal aliens with money are shaken down by the MS-13. Those without money become "mules" for carrying kilo-size packages of drugs in their backpacks as their price of passage in the US.

They set up the methamphetamine labs in Mexico. The drug cartels can easily buy off drug enforcement officers and local police. If a lab blows up in Los Angeles the police with pursue the case, BUT if in Mexico? Who cares? The authorities aren't going to care, especially not when anyone important is most likely already on the payroll of the drug cartels.

In April of 2006, the Mexican legislature passed a law to legalize the personal use of drugs, including decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine, and heroin. The new law immediately raised an important question about Mexico's commitment to working with the US in any meaningful war on drugs. The law suggests that Mexico does not care at all. It also suggests that it's big business with Mexico.

[HeavenlyOne]

The public school system is very good about skewing the facts and promoting a racist attitude. History shows that the Indians, indeed, were willing to work with the white people. Some were dishonest in the whole deal, but many were just trying to understand them.

No, this country would never have been great if the Indians ruled with their superstitions and dangerous way of life. They treated the women horrible to name a few.

I will also say that the blacks had a hard time in the beginning, but from all of that they are now the most sought after in the Gospel music industry. I doubt that would have happened in Africa.

We also, through shed blood, came out of England with freedom of expression,

I don't know how the Illegal issue will play out.

But, if they keep refusing to speak English and playing dumb so people will just hand them things, it isn't going to cause any respect on their part.

I completely agree. I notice that with all groups, but it seems more prevalent in some races than others.

A friend of mine lives near Chicago. Her neighborhood is now mostly Hispanic. Not that she minds what race they are, but their culture is everywhere. She said they play loud music all hours of the night, they don't watch their children, and most of them can't speak any English at all.

The schools have special classes for their children because they need a Spanish speaking teacher. It's difficult to shop for anything because most everything is in Spanish first, and English is in fine print.

I'm all for them coming here legally and wanting a better life, and I know that learning English isn't easy and quick, but it seems like we are so politically correct that we don't want to offend them or make them feel like they are losing their identity, so we cater to them in ways that infringe on the rest of us.

There's a lot more I'd like to say, but I don't want it to be misunderstood by others.

[Pressing-On]

I completely agree. I notice that with all groups, but it seems more prevalent in some races than others.

A friend of mine lives near Chicago. Her neighborhood is now mostly Hispanic. Not that she minds what race they are, but their culture is everywhere. She said they play loud music all hours of the night, they don't watch their children, and most of them can't speak any English at all.

The schools have special classes for their children because they need a Spanish speaking teacher. It's difficult to shop for anything because most everything is in Spanish first, and English is in fine print.

I'm all for them coming here legally and wanting a better life, and I know that learning English isn't easy and quick, but it seems like we are so politically correct that we don't want to offend them or make them feel like they are losing their identity, so we cater to them in ways that infringe on the rest of us.

There's a lot more I'd like to say, but I don't want it to be misunderstood by others.
Agreed! Good post! Everything you said in your post can surely be exponded on, but you are right, you would be misunderstood. It is a touchy subject for sure.

You won't believe what I did one day at the grocery store! They had the butter turned to the side that is printed in Spanish. I stood there for 30 minutes and changed them to the side that is English!

Hahahahahhahahahaha!

Just doing my civic duty!

Hahahahahhahahaha! Lord, I was mad as a hornet!!!

I wanted to scream - I AM AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I'm off to bed! Good night, HO!

[HeavenlyOne]

Agreed! Good post! Everything you said in your post can surely be exponded on, but you are right, you would be misunderstood. It is a touchy subject for sure.

You won't believe what I did one day at the grocery store! They had the butter turned to the side that is printed in Spanish. I stood there for 30 minutes and changed them to the side that is English!

Hahahahahhahahahaha!

Just doing my civic duty!

Hahahahahhahahaha! Lord, I was mad as a hornet!!!

I wanted to scream - I AM AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I'm off to bed! Good night, HO!

LOL! That's funny.

Goodnight, PO.

[chaotic_resolve]

I see it different. We didn't come here to tear up and make a country look poverty stricken with refrigerators in the back yard.
To be fair and balanced . . . rednecks do the same thing! :lol Have you ever driven through Mississippi? It's terrible through that area!

I know what you're saying though. Property values plummet in areas where illegals live because no one wants to live there, so they move out and pretty soon it's a ghetto filled with empty, run down houses.

Just in February, a decorated soldier (Jason Okon) who just returned home from a tour of duty in Iraq was stabbed in his front yard by an illegal alien. The illegal came up to him in his yard, spoke something in spanish, stabbed him in the stomach and ran away. He spent well over a week in intensive care on a ventilator.

Oh yah, and the illegal scum that stabbed him . . . this is his second or third time in the country illegally.

CP - here's some stats for you, from the LA Times of all places:

* 40% of workers in Los Angeles County work for cash and pay no taxes, because they are predominantly illegal aliens without green cards.

* 95% of murder warrants issued in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

* 75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

* Over 67% of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal aliens.
(Mexican births paid for by U.S. taxpayers.)

* Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

* Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

* 50% of gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border, according to FBI reports.

* 60% of all occupants in HUD properties are illegal aliens.

* 21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish-language.

* In Los Angeles County, 5.1 million people speak English, while
3.9 million speak Spanish.

* Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

* In 1997, the net cost of immigration to American taxpayers was $70 billion. The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services received) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative number.

* 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

. . . that's just in CALIFORNIA!!!

Last year they angered American citizens (including real immigrants) by marching down the streets of Phoenix and other cities, waving Mexican flags and chanting "Si Se Puede," (Yes we can). I know from a news outlet in Phoenix that did a background check on who was sponsoring the march here, that La Raza and other illegal, anti-american groups were mixed in and supporting this.

How can anyone, including the President, call these people law-abiding citizens. ~THEY CAME IN BY BREAKING THE LAW!~ They continue to live here, thus breaking our laws.

And then they have the audacity to march in our streets ~DEMANDING~ that we adapt and change for them!

Are you kidding me!?

Of course, they realized they hacked off the American people with the first march and the next time instead tried to soothe us by waving American flags.

Yah, didn't work. They can wave American flags and cry about justice all they want, but until they decide to become Americans, learn the language and culture, abide by our laws and become responsible citizens - it doesn't matter.

I laugh every time I heard some dumb La Raza activist on the radio trying to compare illegal immigration to Rosa Parks and MKL Jr's civil rights struggle.

*NEWS FLASH - the civil rights struggle is nothing like illegal immigration. For starters, the civil rights leaders and people were here LEGALLY. They were citizens, albeit at the time considered second-class citizens. It angers me when I hear them try to compare themselves to RP and MKL Jr.

Again, get the wall built and put troops on the border. And stop arresting the Border Patrol agents who are doing their jobs. This is another thing that infuriates me!

3 BP agents now have been arrested and charged, 2 of them convicted and in prison because some stupid DA took the testimony of an illegal and bowed to the demands of Mexico. And another one is charged and will have a trial soon. In this case, the Mexican Consulate was allowed to interview the "witnesses" for, I believe, 3 hours before our law enforcement was able to interview them. And the DA still is pressing charges on the agent for doing his job.

President Bush is a hypocrital hack. He and the generals over in Iraq close borders and put up armed units along the Iraqi borders with Syria and Iran . . . yet Bush wants to open the border more with Mexico?

Tell you what, if the White House and Congress was located in Phoenix and not in DC . . . we'd have no immigration problems. The border would be sealed tight. But for these politicians, including John McCain who knows about the problems here but wants to remain politically correct, it's out of sight, out of mind.

Well, I'm off to bed! Good night, HO! :oops Better hope Al Sharpton doesn't read that! :lol

[HeavenlyOne]

I hate hearing "for English, press 1" everytime I call businesses with automate operators! Shouldn't it be assumed and those who speak Spanish, French, Russian, and Swahili press numbers???

[seguidordejesus]

I will shut up...I WILL shut up...