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Eliseus
04-27-2007, 10:57 AM
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/hatebillfastforwardingtovote.html

National Prayer Network

EMERGENCY ALERT ! ! !
HATE BILL FAST FORWARDING TO VOTE IN HOUSE

By Rev. Ted Pike
24 Apr 07

The House version of the federal "anti-hate" bill, H.R. 1592, is scheduled for a last hearing in the Subcommittee on Crime on Tuesday, April 24. The next day the entire House Judiciary Committee will consider the marked-up version, making its own changes. If approved, the bill will be sent forward to the House to be voted on, perhaps immediately.

Those who love free speech must respond NOW with unprecedented calling, not only to the member of the House from your district but to as many members of the House of Representatives as possible. All House members are listed at www.truthtellers.org. The toll-free number is 1-877-851-6437, or call toll 1-202-224-3121.

Tell them: "Please don't vote for any hate crimes legislation. Hate laws have taken away free speech in Canada and many European Countries."

Hate Bill: Worse Than We Imagined

Most persons who are concerned about imminent passage of the federal "anti-hate" bill don't realize that S. 1105 in the Senate and H.R. 1592 in the House are actually amendments to a federal hate law passed in 1969. During the height of the civil rights movement, "Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 245" stipulated that no one could verbally "…attempt to…intimidate" another person (chiefly black) away from enjoyment of their federally protected right to equal employment, public services, housing, voting rights, jury privileges, etc. If the government finds such verbal "intimidation" in a state and state officials are not enforcing these guarantees, the federal government can invade states' rights in local law enforcement, upholding Title 18.

Title 18 is considered a "hate crimes" law because it criminalizes bias-motivated, verbal attempts to "intimidate" blacks by persuading them that they are intellectually, hygienically, or morally inferior -- unfit to eat at the same lunch counter, attend the same church, work in the same business, get the same education, live in the same apartment complex, or serve on the same jury with whites.

New Teeth for 60's Hate Crimes Law

Fast forward from 1969 to 2007. Instead of guaranteeing such protection just for religion, race and gender, the present hate bill grants it to homosexuals, transvestites, and transsexuals. If the House passes H.R. 1592 this week, it will include not just the language of the present bills posted at the government website but also that of Title 18, making it federally indictable to "…attempt to…intimidate" a homosexual from believing that he (even if he has AIDS or hepatitis) has the right to work in a restaurant, be employed as a police officer or summer camp counselor, or has equal rights to housing and employment anywhere he wishes.

A pastor, Christian broadcaster or publisher who verbally attempts to "intimidate" homosexuals by describing homosexuality as an abomination (Lev. 18:22) are thus high-profile targets for indictment under this legislation.

The federal hate bill, incorporating Title 18, is clearly much more than an attempt to put down violent hate crimes in the states. It is a speech crime bill that, if passed, could immediately outlaw not only discrimination against homosexuals in employment or housing but also public criticism of sodomy.

Homosexuals Can Become Clergy

The Civil Rights Act of 1965 made it a federal crime for a church to discriminate against a black by refusing to hire him in any position, including clergy, because of the color of his skin. The hate bill now before Congress could make it the same crime for a church to refuse to hire, even as clergy, a homosexual because of his "sexual orientation."

The reason Title 18 has been ineffective from 1969 as a federal tool of hate crimes law enforcement is because the government had to prove that a bias crime in a state violated a federally protected right. Such cases were few and far between. The present expanded hate bill places no such restrictions upon the government, entitling a federal hate crimes Gestapo to intervene in states' rights in law enforcement anytime it pleases.

Eliseus
04-27-2007, 10:58 AM
I wonder how many Republicans will vote for this piece of legislative trash.

Thad
04-27-2007, 10:59 AM
folks this one is frieghtening.


we need to pray on this one !!!

Eliseus
04-27-2007, 11:02 AM
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/philadelphiapursuescharges.html

Philadelphia Pursues "Hate Crimes" Charges Against Christians
By Rev. Ted Pike
15 Dec 04

On Oct. 10th, 11 evangelical Christians were arrested as "hate criminals" for peacefully singing and preaching at a gay pride event. Since then the world has been awaiting the outcome of their preliminary hearing, held Dec. 14th. Would the state be content with a reprimand, or vigorously pursue enforcement of Pennsylvania's "anti hate" law?

Here's what happened in court on Dec. 14th, as described by Michael Marcavage, leader of the "Philadelphia Eleven" arrested Christians, to Rev. Ted Pike, Director of the National Prayer Network.

The preliminary hearing began with testimony by Chief of Police Tiano that defendants jeopardized the safety of those gathered at "Outfest", a homosexual rally. He asserted that their inflammatory language tended to incite the resulting riot of about 500 sodomite attendees. Such language, he contended, constitutes "reckless endangerment" of another person.

The District Attorney, Charles Ehrlich, was extremely aggressive, even passionate, in his case against the arrested Christians. The liberal judge, William Meeham, allowed him to portray their demeanor as bigoted and hateful, citing instances from other sodomite events attended by the defendants. Extensive video footage of the Christians preaching before their arrest was viewed by the court. No evidence of illegal activity was apparent. On the other hand, Ehrlich emphasized that biblical threats of hell on sodomites constituted a threat to their safety. He also asserted that Michael Marcavage's use of a bullhorn constituted a "weapon of reckless endangerment."

Under "anti-intimidation" laws, now in place in 47 states, "bias" must be coupled with a crime in order to become a "hate crime." Because Marcavage clearly was biased and used a bullhorn as his "weapon of threat," District Attorney Ehrlich made a case for full prosecution of Marcavage, in particular, as one guilty of "ethnic intimidation," or violation of Pennsylvania's "anti-hate" law.

Accordingly, Judge Meeham ruled that Marcavage be prosecuted under all eight original charges, which include three felonies and five misdemeanors. All women defendants were excused, as well as an elderly man and a teenager. Three other men, Mark Diener, Dennis Green, and James Cruse, will be prosecuted. However, they are charged with "conspiracy to commit ethnic intimidation" rather than "ethnic intimidation," a felony. In addition, the four remaining defendants are banned from going within 100' of any homosexual or lesbian event in Philadelphia.

On Jan. 5th, Judge Meeham will probably set the date for a jury trial. If convicted, Michael Marcavage, 25, could face up to 47 years in prison.

The "Philadelphia Eleven's" attorney, Scott Shield, said, "The message of this court is that if you preach from Scripture, it is a hate crime."

For more information on this case visit www.repentamerica.com, or call 1-800-3-repent

Eliseus
04-27-2007, 11:09 AM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55348

Eliseus
04-27-2007, 11:28 AM
It would be nice if the UPC made a stand against this unconstitutional, and more importantly, UNBIBLICAL usurpation of not only our God given rights, but our God given RESPONSIBILITIES...The UPC alone could probably spearhead a complete defeat of this ungodly legislation.




OOPS! Sorry, the UPCI is incorporated by the US gubbamint, so they aren't allowed to really push this issue.

"If it weren't those pesky muzzles they put on us...."

Carpenter
04-27-2007, 11:34 AM
Homosexuals Can Become Clergy

The Civil Rights Act of 1965 made it a federal crime for a church to discriminate against a black by refusing to hire him in any position, including clergy, because of the color of his skin. The hate bill now before Congress could make it the same crime for a church to refuse to hire, even as clergy, a homosexual because of his "sexual orientation."

The reason Title 18 has been ineffective from 1969 as a federal tool of hate crimes law enforcement is because the government had to prove that a bias crime in a state violated a federally protected right. Such cases were few and far between. The present expanded hate bill places no such restrictions upon the government, entitling a federal hate crimes Gestapo to intervene in states' rights in law enforcement anytime it pleases.

You guys are worried about this?

One, it may hold the church's feet to the fire for honest and genuine election of pastors, instead of the current pastor installing whomever he wants.

Secondly, if a fair analysis of a minister is conducted, I can't image any homosexual on the face of the earth being elected based on the merit of his so called "ministry" not to mention his sexual dysfunction.

White coaches are still being hired in the College and Pro sports. Not every one of them has to be African American.

Let em' protest, who gives a rip.

Oh and another thing, what happened to our power, why has the church suddenly adopted the Chicken Little mentality?

Chan
04-27-2007, 11:39 AM
You guys are worried about this?

One, it may hold the church's feet to the fire for honest and genuine election of pastors, instead of the current pastor installing whomever he wants.

Secondly, if a fair analysis of a minister is conducted, I can't image any homosexual on the face of the earth being elected based on the merit of his so called "ministry" not to mention his sexual dysfunction.

White coaches are still being hired in the College and Pro sports. Not every one of them has to be African American.

Let em' protest, who gives a rip.

Oh and another thing, what happened to our power, why has the church suddenly adopted the Chicken Little mentality?
And why are we getting so bent out of shape about things happening in a wicked world that is not our home and out of which we're going to be taken in the blessed hope? Maybe we should be focusing on reaching the lost with the gospel instead of whining over things like this particular piece of legislation.

Carpenter
04-27-2007, 11:42 AM
And why are we getting so bent out of shape about things happening in a wicked world that is not our home and out of which we're going to be taken in the blessed hope? Maybe we should be focusing on reaching the lost with the gospel instead of whining over things like this particular piece of legislation.

Well, chap my hyde and call me a steak...are you agreeing with me here?

Eliseus
04-27-2007, 12:18 PM
AMAZING. I think I need to find another forum.

This is really sad.

Esther
04-27-2007, 12:43 PM
You guys are worried about this?

One, it may hold the church's feet to the fire for honest and genuine election of pastors, instead of the current pastor installing whomever he wants.

Secondly, if a fair analysis of a minister is conducted, I can't image any homosexual on the face of the earth being elected based on the merit of his so called "ministry" not to mention his sexual dysfunction.

White coaches are still being hired in the College and Pro sports. Not every one of them has to be African American.

Let em' protest, who gives a rip.

Oh and another thing, what happened to our power, why has the church suddenly adopted the Chicken Little mentality?

I think you are wrong on this one.

This would muzzle the ministers from even preaching against homosexuality.

Is that what you want?

Pragmatist
04-27-2007, 12:51 PM
AMAZING. I think I need to find another forum.

This is really sad.

Why? Because Chan and Carpenter don't agree with you?

Chan
04-27-2007, 01:57 PM
I think you are wrong on this one.

This would muzzle the ministers from even preaching against homosexuality.

Is that what you want?Ministers in China, Sudan, and other countries where Christianity is outlawed still manage to preach against sin, including against homosexuality.

The only people such laws will muzzle are people who haven't denied themselves, taken up their crosses, and followed Jesus.

Michlow
04-27-2007, 02:37 PM
Here is a copy of the actual bill. It looks to be against those who perpetrate physical violence and not just name calling.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.+1592:

Thad
04-27-2007, 02:48 PM
Even Charisma magazine owner is sending out emails asking everyone to get involved with this one. got the email today

BoredOutOfMyMind
04-27-2007, 02:49 PM
AMAZING. I think I need to find another forum.

This is really sad.

Over an xer and a Libertarian not agreeing with you.

I think it is an issue.

I doubt anyone will call or write their elected officials over it.

BoredOutOfMyMind
04-27-2007, 02:51 PM
Here is a copy of the actual bill. It looks to be against those who perpetrate physical violence and not just name calling.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.+1592:

They will expand it and if we don't have Homos in the Sunday School, time to shut us down. Al Sharpton will not be protesting this either, unless it gains him more airtime to protest for the shutdown.

Tina
04-27-2007, 03:22 PM
folks this one is frieghtening.


we need to pray on this one !!!

No kidding.

AMAZING. I think I need to find another forum.

This is really sad.

Why? Two people don't speak for everyone....

Praxeas
04-27-2007, 11:36 PM
And why are we getting so bent out of shape about things happening in a wicked world that is not our home and out of which we're going to be taken in the blessed hope? Maybe we should be focusing on reaching the lost with the gospel instead of whining over things like this particular piece of legislation.
Because we oppose anything that hinders the preaching of the gospel?

BTW I already posted on this topic the other day

Praxeas
04-27-2007, 11:37 PM
Here is a copy of the actual bill. It looks to be against those who perpetrate physical violence and not just name calling.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.+1592:
They can claim that by saying it is a sin you are inciting others to commit physical violance

ManOfWord
04-28-2007, 10:04 PM
They can claim that by saying it is a sin you are inciting others to commit physical violance

You're right, they can do that.

However, the only way they will stop me from preaching against sin, is to cut my tongue out!! Even then, I could still write.....from behind bars if need be!!!

Hoovie
04-28-2007, 10:09 PM
You're right, they can do that.

However, the only way they will stop me from preaching against sin, is to cut my tongue out!! Even then, I could still write.....from behind bars if need be!!!

Man thats quite the visual....

On a lighter note, can we cast lots for your convertible?

Brother Strange
04-28-2007, 11:02 PM
AMAZING. I think I need to find another forum.

This is really sad.

The apologist seem to be coming out of the woodwork.

Pray for me. If this thing passes, it will not be long before I'll be a jail bird. As long as I have breath and a tongue in my mouth, I will rage against this diabolical practice of queer activity.

As a pastor, and knew that one of 'em was in my congregation, I would ask him to find another church, even if he claimed to be saved. God may not discriminate. I do. I'm not God.

When I was in the service and it was discovered that one of those people slipped in. They were quickly given a discharge stamped "UNDESIRABLE." They were not given an honorable discharge, no matter how well they performed their duties.

Chan
04-30-2007, 09:26 AM
Because we oppose anything that hinders the preaching of the gospel?Preaching that we're not doing anyway because we're too busy trying to take over governments and social institutions?

Chan
04-30-2007, 09:29 AM
The apologist seem to be coming out of the woodwork.

Pray for me. If this thing passes, it will not be long before I'll be a jail bird. As long as I have breath and a tongue in my mouth, I will rage against this diabolical practice of queer activity.

As a pastor, and knew that one of 'em was in my congregation, I would ask him to find another church, even if he claimed to be saved. God may not discriminate. I do. I'm not God.

When I was in the service and it was discovered that one of those people slipped in. They were quickly given a discharge stamped "UNDESIRABLE." They were not given an honorable discharge, no matter how well they performed their duties.And how many souls will burn in the lake of fire because you denied them access to the truth of the gospel and to the power of Christ to help them overcome their homosexuality?