Haney Teaches Hair with a Carrot? ....

[DAII]

I was perusing CLC's Summer 2010 periodical "The Cross" ....

where there is an article entitled, Looking for that Blessed Hope: PreTrib or Post Trib" in which Phil Dugas' passive agressively attacks those who who hold a post tribulation view as not having any "solid scriptural basis" and categorically calls the pre-trib view "Apostolic" .... Sorry Irwin.

.... and another article by Kenneth Haney, titled "Israel's Right to Land: Zionism to Prevail" .... in which the former UPCI pontiff asserts a that Christians have a duty to support Zionism.

Kenneth Haney writes, "As Christians, until our departure happens, we must become unwavering supporters of Zionism. (pg 24) .....

and another pretty good article by Eli Lopez simply called "Repent" where he speaks of the forgotten "relic" of repentance beginning his piece with the question "Whatever happened to repentance?" ....


I came across an ad insert on page 19 promoting a 4 part DVD series by Nathaniel Haney named "Holiness Sermon Series".

The description of disc 4 reads:

"Pastor Nathaniel Haney helps godly women understand why Christian women do not cut their hair and the reward that comes from being submitted to God through obedience."

Has anyone heard this sermon series? Anyone have this series or disc 4? I reserve judgment on its content until I hear it.

I know Lee Stoneking speaks about being with Nathaniel when he instructed the ladies in Haney's church to pray with their hair down and how this resulted in "many miracles".

Does Nathaniel teach HMH?

[pelathais]

You know... I never thought that I'd actually be even somewhat in favor of "teaching hair with a stick."

[Jason B]

I guess I'm a little bit slow, or is it that nothing suprises me anymore........

when I saw the title of this thread I was expecting a quote somewhere along the lines of "Just look at how natural long the greens are on carrots, DOTH NOT EVEN NATURE TEACH YOU."

:toofunny

[commonsense]

I must be missing something.
Carrot? As in Bugs Bunny?

[pelathais]

Carrot and a stick approach to getting the desired behavioral outcomes? "Haney" appears to be teaching that there are benefits to women not cutting their hair - like perhaps "angelic" benefits (the carrot approach).

Despite DAII's obvious chagrin over that one, I suppose we could ask if that isn't "better" than sending everyone of to hell (the "stick" approach).

Another usage of the idiom involves the practice of tying a carrot onto the end of a stick and dangling it out in front of a mule pulling a cart. As the mule approaches the carrot - the cart moves forward so the "reward" is always just out of reach and never obtained.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick

The "carrot" analogy is a frequent criticism of works based religions. Some sort of "reward" is always promised but that reward is always just out of the reach of the followers of the religion.

"Perhaps you didn't have an angel show up and make a difference when your child died of leukemia - but stay faithful and NEVER trim or cut your hair and we're pretty sure that there'll be angels next time!

"Or the time after that..."

[Justin]

Carrot and a stick approach to getting the desired behavioral outcomes? "Haney" appears to be teaching that there are benefits to women not cutting their hair - like perhaps "angelic" benefits (the carrot approach).

Despite DAII's obvious chagrin over that one, I suppose we could ask if that isn't "better" than sending everyone of to hell (the "stick" approach).

Another usage of the idiom involves the practice of tying a carrot onto the end of a stick and dangling it out in front of a mule pulling a cart. As the mule approaches the carrot - the cart moves forward so the "reward" is always just out of reach and never obtained.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick

The "carrot" analogy is a frequent criticism of works based religions. Some sort of "reward" is always promised but that reward is always just out of the reach of the followers of the religion.

"Perhaps you didn't have an angel show up and make a difference when your child died of leukemia - but stay faithful and NEVER trim or cut your hair and we're pretty sure that there'll be angels next time!

"Or the time after that..."

Not always... when blessings do happen, hair can easily be credited as "obedience". "See, I didn't cut my hair and this happened!"

They just reached their carrot.

[Hoovie]

Carrot and a stick approach to getting the desired behavioral outcomes? "Haney" appears to be teaching that there are benefits to women not cutting their hair - like perhaps "angelic" benefits (the carrot approach).

Despite DAII's obvious chagrin over that one, I suppose we could ask if that isn't "better" than sending everyone of to hell (the "stick" approach).

Another usage of the idiom involves the practice of tying a carrot onto the end of a stick and dangling it out in front of a mule pulling a cart. As the mule approaches the carrot - the cart moves forward so the "reward" is always just out of reach and never obtained.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick

The "carrot" analogy is a frequent criticism of works based religions. Some sort of "reward" is always promised but that reward is always just out of the reach of the followers of the religion.

"Perhaps you didn't have an angel show up and make a difference when your child died of leukemia - but stay faithful and NEVER trim or cut your hair and we're pretty sure that there'll be angels next time!

"Or the time after that..."

The usage I bolded is a very common approach of Faith Healers as well.

[DAII]

The usage I bolded is a very common approach of Faith Healers as well.

Tithe and prosperity preachers as well.

[Sam]

The usage I bolded is a very common approach of Faith Healers as well.

And "the BIG REVIVAL" that is just around the corner" is another carrot on a stick (in my opinion) because (in my opinion) we ARE in end time revival

[DAII]

I was perusing CLC's Summer 2010 periodical "The Cross" ....

where there is an article entitled, Looking for that Blessed Hope: PreTrib or Post Trib" in which Phil Dugas' passive agressively attacks those who who hold a post tribulation view as not having any "solid scriptural basis" and categorically calls the pre-trib view "Apostolic" .... Sorry Irwin.

.... and another article by Kenneth Haney, titled "Israel's Right to Land: Zionism to Prevail" .... in which the former UPCI pontiff asserts a that Christians have a duty to support Zionism.

Kenneth Haney writes, "As Christians, until our departure happens, we must become unwavering supporters of Zionism. (pg 24) .....

and another pretty good article by Eli Lopez simply called "Repent" where he speaks of the forgotten "relic" of repentance beginning his piece with the question "Whatever happened to repentance?" ....


I came across an ad insert on page 19 promoting a 4 part DVD series by Nathaniel Haney named "Holiness Sermon Series".

The description of disc 4 reads:

"Pastor Nathaniel Haney helps godly women understand why Christian women do not cut their hair and the reward that comes from being submitted to God through obedience."

Has anyone heard this sermon series? Anyone have this series or disc 4? I reserve judgment on its content until I hear it.

I know Lee Stoneking speaks about being with Nathaniel when he instructed the ladies in Haney's church to pray with their hair down and how this resulted in "many miracles".

Does Nathaniel teach HMH?

If you would like to download a free copy of the Zionist "The Cross" ....

click here ....

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31548561/The-Cross-Magazine

I think I will have to order Disc 4 of NH's holiness series .... just 5 bucks.

They do have a Special Offer FREE SHIPPING - Holiness has always been under attack, but as of late, there is an increased aggression by apostate Christians who have walked away from truth. These false teachers are willingly ignorant, choosing to deceive others in an effort to draw people away from God unto themselves. However, for every group of apostates, God has His own who love truth. It is for this reason that we are offering these teachings on holiness.

http://www.clministry.com/church/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=74

[DAII]

Haney believes that uncut hair restores the Edenic authority a woman once had ???? What does that mean?

There are some who explain 1 Corinthians 11: 2-15 as a matter of the local culture of the Corinthians that Paul was addressing and that it is irrelevant for today. Others wrongly use it to impose a covering of cloth upon a woman’s head. Many more simply ignore this passage, wishing it would go away. However, it is from this truth that God has given the Christian woman a position back to the Edenic authority in which she was created. In this message, Pastor Nathaniel Haney helps godly ladies understand why Christian women do not cut their hair and the reward that comes from being submitted to God through obedience.

http://www.clministry.com/church/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=812

[allstate1]

Never heard of Edenic Authority! I can only assume he is meaning the authority she was given in Eden. I can find no scripture reference on reobtaining that!

[Ev. Duane Williams]

DAII,

As goofy as "HMH" doctrine is, your obsession with it is even goofier IMHO.

[Apocrypha]

DAII,

As goofy as "HMH" doctrine is, your obsession with it is even goofier IMHO.

I disagree. Anyone who points out distorted or false doctrine is always to be applauded.

[Timmy]

I disagree. Anyone who points out distorted or false doctrine is always to be applauded.

Yeah.

:winkgrin

[Ev. Duane Williams]

I disagree. Anyone who points out distorted or false doctrine is always to be applauded.

Points out? Yeah. Creates a website specializing in anti-HMH and devotes his life to its ridicule? Goofy.

[DAII]

DAII,

As goofy as "HMH" doctrine is, your obsession with it is even goofier IMHO.

Tell you what's the goofiest thing, Hoss ....

the amount of posts you have on this forum directly attacking me.

And that's Mr. II .... to you.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TAaPqK0I8gI/AAAAAAAAAhE/LYmFNYXJTPs/duane.jpg

[Truthseeker]

Haney believes that uncut hair restores the Edenic authority a woman once had ???? What does that mean?



http://www.clministry.com/church/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=812

If she has true edenic authority wouldn't it mean then no clothes as well???:ursofunny

[Jeffrey]

From what I understand, NH is a HMH advocate.

[DAII]

From what I understand, NH is a HMH advocate.

Gasp!!!! Say it ain't so .... might explain some of the lack of a strong voice against it from the Pentecostal vatican.

[TheLegalist]

DAII,

As goofy as "HMH" doctrine is, your obsession with it is even goofier IMHO.

YEp.... he simply is OCD on anything the UPC teaches right or wrong.

[ouden katakrim]

The UPC's view on women's hair is the most ridiculous doctrine and is one of the most glaring examples of UPC special pleading I have ever...once believed in.

ouden

[edjen01]

The UPC's view on women's hair is the most ridiculous doctrine and is one of the most glaring examples of UPC special pleading I have ever...once believed in.

ouden

IMHO....i believe we have other doctrines that are much more ridiculous.

[MissBrattified]

IMHO....i believe we have other doctrines that are much more ridiculous.

LOL, yep--I can think of several that are FAR more ludicrous! :D (Not necessarily specific to the UPCI, though.)

[edjen01]

I was perusing CLC's Summer 2010 periodical "The Cross" ....

where there is an article entitled, Looking for that Blessed Hope: PreTrib or Post Trib" in which Phil Dugas' passive agressively attacks those who who hold a post tribulation view as not having any "solid scriptural basis" and categorically calls the pre-trib view "Apostolic" .... Sorry Irwin.

.... and another article by Kenneth Haney, titled "Israel's Right to Land: Zionism to Prevail" .... in which the former UPCI pontiff asserts a that Christians have a duty to support Zionism.

Kenneth Haney writes, "As Christians, until our departure happens, we must become unwavering supporters of Zionism. (pg 24) .....

and another pretty good article by Eli Lopez simply called "Repent" where he speaks of the forgotten "relic" of repentance beginning his piece with the question "Whatever happened to repentance?" ....


I came across an ad insert on page 19 promoting a 4 part DVD series by Nathaniel Haney named "Holiness Sermon Series".

The description of disc 4 reads:

"Pastor Nathaniel Haney helps godly women understand why Christian women do not cut their hair and the reward that comes from being submitted to God through obedience."

Has anyone heard this sermon series? Anyone have this series or disc 4? I reserve judgment on its content until I hear it.

I know Lee Stoneking speaks about being with Nathaniel when he instructed the ladies in Haney's church to pray with their hair down and how this resulted in "many miracles".

Does Nathaniel teach HMH?

given the other false teaching in this periodical...what else would you expect?

be a good steward DAII...don't waste your $5.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Danny boy,

Directly attacking? A little thin skinned for someone who throws so many darts. Every thread you start has something to do with hair. Seriously.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Tell you what's the goofiest thing, Hoss ....

the amount of posts you have on this forum directly attacking me.

And that's Mr. II .... to you.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TAaPqK0I8gI/AAAAAAAAAhE/LYmFNYXJTPs/duane.jpg

Hey, by the way, thanks for slimming me down by about 100 lbs. Been tryin' to get that weight off for years!

[ouden katakrim]

IMHO....i believe we have other doctrines that are much more ridiculous.

uh...I don't think I can think of one. TV? Video? Movies? Considering what is shown on TV, video and movies it makes a modicum of sense IF they teach temperance instead of total abstaining from even owning one.

But of course, I was talking about my own personal opinion about what is the most ridiculous doctrine propogated by the UPC. You may disagree.

I still find their view on women's hair to be the most ridiculous...at least in the top 1.

ouden

[DAII]

uh...I don't think I can think of one. TV? Video? Movies? Considering what is shown on TV, video and movies it makes a modicum of sense IF they teach temperance instead of total abstaining from even owning one.

But of course, I was talking about my own personal opinion about what is the most ridiculous doctrine propogated by the UPC. You may disagree.

I still find their view on women's hair to be the most ridiculous...at least in the top 1.

ouden

I have to agree .... one of the more outlandish ... and I don't mean cut vs. uncut.

[Timmy]

Does the UPCI have a comprehensive list of their essential doctrines, like the AG's 16 Fundamental Truths (http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Statement_of_Fundamental_Truths/sft_short.cfm)? I don't see anything like that on their web site's main page.