What does it mean to blaspheme the Holy Spirit

[freeatlast]

Any body care to give a definition of what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

It appears to be unforgivable, so it would be good to know it's definition.

This is not a trick question. Enquiring minds want to know.

I'll be back to see your replys later today..I gotta go out into the real world for a bit to make a living. :praying Ya all pray for me.

[Pastor Keith]

Any body care to give a definition of what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

It appears to be unforgivable, so it would be good to know it's definition.

This is not a trick question. Enquiring minds want to know.

I'll be back to see your replys later today..I gotta go out into the real world for a bit to make a living. :praying Ya all pray for me.

To call a Work of the Holy spirit, a work of the Devil!

[COOPER]

I was Told you have to Have the Holy Ghost to be able to Blaspheme..
But,
What if some one was an Holy Ghost tongue talker impostor; saying thus saith the lord and falsely prophesying, saying such and such is of the spirit etc.?Robin Tiltin comes to mind. I saw a show that claimed he faked it all.

[COOPER]

To call a Work of the Holy spirit, a work of the Devil!

Jesus was called empowered by Beelzebub.
And many Religions say Tongue talking is of the devil.

[LadyChocolate]

I was Told you have to Have the Holy Ghost to be able to Blaspheme..But,
What if some one was an Holy Ghost tongue talker impostor; saying thus saith the lord and falsely prophesying, saying such and such is of the spirit etc.?Robin Tiltin comes to mind. I saw a show that claimed he faked it all.

I do believe you are right....

I wonder if at one time they did have something and then they were turned over to a reprobate mind................just a thought.............

[Pastor Keith]

Jesus was called empowered by Beelzebub.
And many Religions say Tongue talking is of the devil.

I believe one must encounter a genuine manifestation of the Holy Spirit in order to be blaspheme the Holy Spirit, some one confused, taught that tongues are of the devil in my opinion does not qualify, but hey I would rather err on the side of mercy than judgement.

[Newman]

I believe that blasphemy is unforgivable because the person doesn't seek forgiveness (not understanding what they have done).

I hope I am right for the sake of those on utube who are taking the blasphemy challenge.

It would be very interesting to follow these people for the next five years. After all, if there isn't God; then there really is no true basis of morality. And that is a very scary place to be.

In fact, Nazi Germany comes to mind... :cool:

[Carpenter]

I believe that blasphemy is unforgivable because the person doesn't seek forgiveness (not understanding what they have done).

I hope I am right for the sake of those on utube who are taking the blasphemy challenge.

It would be very interesting to follow these people for the next five years. After all, if there isn't God; then there really is no true basis of morality. And that is a very scary place to be.

In fact, Nazi Germany comes to mind... :cool:

Hunh? WHat? Nazi Germany? What is going on with YouTube?

Actually when I see people, secular and in church making fun of the Holy Ghost, it is as close to blasphemy in my mind as you can get. I threw out that movie Blues Brothers for just that reason.

[Chan]

Any body care to give a definition of what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

It appears to be unforgivable, so it would be good to know it's definition.

This is not a trick question. Enquiring minds want to know.

I'll be back to see your replys later today..I gotta go out into the real world for a bit to make a living. :praying Ya all pray for me.The Greek word for blasphemy in that passage means to vilify or speak evil against. I agree with those here who have suggested that in this particular context it means to attribute to Satan the work of the Holy Spirit. However, I do not mean attributing to Satan things that people attribute to the Holy Spirit but really aren't the Holy Spirit's doing.

[freeatlast]

To call a Work of the Holy spirit, a work of the Devil!

On this premise, Keith, I have read teaching, that when you speak evil of someone in whom the Holy Spirit is doing a work and you condemn that person, judge them unworthy, that you in effect blasheme the holy Spirit.

Could that be why we are told so strongly not to judge?

[Carpenter]

To call a Work of the Holy spirit, a work of the Devil!

If this be the case, then many many of our Apostolic Brethern are guilty when talking about those in the mainstream churches who speak in tongues, i.e. The AOG, the COGICs, the independents, etc.

Anyone who has been around long enough has heard the retort when the question is asked about those speaking in tongues in the mainstream, "Well the debbil (sic) can cause someone to speak in tongues..."

In fact, my best friend said this to me once, and he was the Youth Pastor at the time.

[Brother Price]

To call a Work of the Holy spirit, a work of the Devil!

Amen! That is why we should be careful what we call of the devil.

[Praxeas]

Any body care to give a definition of what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

It appears to be unforgivable, so it would be good to know it's definition.

This is not a trick question. Enquiring minds want to know.

I'll be back to see your replys later today..I gotta go out into the real world for a bit to make a living. :praying Ya all pray for me.
I was gonna post this in reply to Keith on the other thread....but it mysteriously disappeared :bliss

Hermeneutically speaking what this tells is in the context is that attributing the works of the Holy Ghost to the devil is blasphemy. It does NOT tell us that is the ONLY way to blasphemy the Holy Ghost.

In fact Jesus says "speak a word against the Holy Ghost" and obviously what the Pharisees did falls into that catagory.

Blasphemy means to speak evil of....you can speak evil of the Son of man but to speak evil of the Holy Ghost is unforgivable

[freeatlast]

One source says
1. Applying a sacred name or claim to an unholy thing

2. Applying an unholy name or charge to a sacred thing.

I think possibly to many might be to cavalier in the things they speak.

[Arphaxad]

Any body care to give a definition of what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

It appears to be unforgivable, so it would be good to know it's definition.

This is not a trick question. Enquiring minds want to know.

I'll be back to see your replys later today..I gotta go out into the real world for a bit to make a living. :praying Ya all pray for me.

I think what Mrs. Benny Hinn said qualifies!:thumbsdown

[Michael The Disciple]

Here is the basis for it in the OT:

10: And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp;
11: And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the LORD, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:)
12: And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.
13: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
14: Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
15: And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.

[Truly Blessed]

If we stick with what Jesus said instead of twisting what He said because we seek to justify what some who refuse to accept what the Spirit is doing in the lives of Trinitarians, say about them, the answer is very clear.

Jesus said in Mark 3:23-30, "So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I fear for those who so easily set what Jesus said aside. IMO there is a definite parallel between what teachers of the law were saying about Jesus driving out demons by Beelzebub, and what many apostolics say about Spirit filled Pentecostals today. Take note to the reason why Jesus said what He did to them; "...because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit".

[freeatlast]

If we stick with what Jesus said instead of twisting what He said because we seek to justify what some who refuse to accept what the Spirit is doing in the lives of Trinitarians, say about them, the answer is very clear.

Jesus said in Mark 3:23-30, "So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I fear for those who so easily set what Jesus said aside. IMO there is a definite parallel between what teachers of the law were saying about Jesus driving out demons by Beelzebub, and what many apostolics say about Spirit filled Pentecostals today. Take note to the reason why Jesus said what He did to them; "...because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit".

That's what I am looking for TB.

I have heard it taught that, when we so calousloy disregard the work of the holy spirit in the life of a believer we blaspheme.

Henceforth the stern warnings not judge or we will be judged.

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art INEXCUSABLE, O man, whosoever thou art that judges.

I think, possibly blashemy is a broader subject than we comprehend.

We speak of kids who make silly videos, that they have blasphemed.

Paul claimed he did it (blasphemed) but he did it ignorantly, in unbelief.

He was henceforth forgiven.

Paul's blasphemy, when did it occur, what is he refering to?

Could it have been when he stood by and held the coats of those he cosented to stone Stephen to death. A man filled with the Holy Ghost that Paul deemed UNHOLY.

Paul's confession of blasphemy was linked to his being injurious, and a persecutor 1 Tim 1:12-13

I think there is a link between blaspheming the Holy Spirit and judging a holy thing ( a child of God ) unholy, thru our visual ideas of what a Christian looks like in our American culture.

[Pastor Keith]

If we stick with what Jesus said instead of twisting what He said because we seek to justify what some who refuse to accept what the Spirit is doing in the lives of Trinitarians, say about them, the answer is very clear.

Jesus said in Mark 3:23-30, "So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I fear for those who so easily set what Jesus said aside. IMO there is a definite parallel between what teachers of the law were saying about Jesus driving out demons by Beelzebub, and what many apostolics say about Spirit filled Pentecostals today. Take note to the reason why Jesus said what He did to them; "...because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit".


i am curious what translation did you read this from?

[Pastor Keith]

That's what I am looking for TB.

I have heard it taught that, when we so calousloy disregard the work of the holy spirit in the life of a believer we blaspheme.

Henceforth the stern warnings not judge or we will be judged.

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art INEXCUSABLE, O man, whosoever thou art that judges.

I think, possibly blashemy is a broader subject than we comprehend.

We speak of kids who make silly videos, that they have blasphemed.

Paul claimed he did it (blasphemed) but he did it ignorantly, in unbelief.

He was henceforth forgiven.

Paul's blasphemy, when did it occur, what is he refering to?

Could it have been when he stood by and held the coats of those he cosented to stone Stephen to death. A man filled with the Holy Ghost that Paul deemed UNHOLY.

Paul's confession of blasphemy was linked to his being injurious, and a persecutor 1 Tim 1:12-13

I think there is a link between blaspheming the Holy Spirit and judging a holy thing ( a child of God ) unholy, thru our visual ideas of what a Christian looks like in our American culture.


Oh now, you went and did it, good point!

[freeatlast]

Oh now, you went and did it, good point!

Is a valid point though... I'm curious

There are things that Christians just don't want to look at because of their own reflection in the mirror.

Mt 5:21-22 speaks pretty harshly to those who would call a brother, thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.

We can just so recklouisly refuse to call someone a brother over issues that are NON ISSUES with the word.

I saw it happen at nfcf where one said he would not call another a brother because he let his kids play little leugue baseball.

Does our condemnation of others, who are filled with God's holy spirit, condemn us ?

[Truly Blessed]

i am curious what translation did you read this from? I quoted from the New International Version (NIV) I should have included that when I posted.

[Tye]

I'm wondering if anyone can continue to expound and give more explanation on this topic!

[RevDWW]

Hell!

[Tye]

Hell!

Well that is true but I said expound. What is the nature of the sin a little bit more insight. Is it a sin that comes from the heart then commited out of the mouth? Someone with a biblical understanding of this please expound. Thanks!

[Neck]

Any body care to give a definition of what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

It appears to be unforgivable, so it would be good to know it's definition.

This is not a trick question. Enquiring minds want to know.

I'll be back to see your replys later today..I gotta go out into the real world for a bit to make a living. :praying Ya all pray for me.


By the time you find out it is too late...

[Joelel]

Any body care to give a definition of what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

It appears to be unforgivable, so it would be good to know it's definition.

This is not a trick question. Enquiring minds want to know.

I'll be back to see your replys later today..I gotta go out into the real world for a bit to make a living. :praying Ya all pray for me.

The word blaspheme means to speak against.Speak against the Holy Ghost.To say the Holy Ghost is a devil or unclean spirit or say a person speaks by a devil when it is the Spirit of God.

[Felicity]

Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost? I believe this passage of scripture explains it well enough:


Mark 3:20-30:
And the multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread.

And when his friends heard [of it], they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.

And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?

And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.


In my opinion and from what I can see in this passage of Scripture, attributing the work of the Holy Ghost to the devil is quite clearly spelled out by Jesus Himself as being blasphemous.

What Jesus said here in this passage has a witness in a couple other scriptural passages as well.

[Chan]

Any body care to give a definition of what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

It appears to be unforgivable, so it would be good to know it's definition.

This is not a trick question. Enquiring minds want to know.

I'll be back to see your replys later today..I gotta go out into the real world for a bit to make a living. :praying Ya all pray for me.The Greek word for blasphemy in Mark 3:29 means to vilify or speak evil against.

[Chan]

I believe that blasphemy is unforgivable because the person doesn't seek forgiveness (not understanding what they have done).

I hope I am right for the sake of those on utube who are taking the blasphemy challenge.

It would be very interesting to follow these people for the next five years. After all, if there isn't God; then there really is no true basis of morality. And that is a very scary place to be.

In fact, Nazi Germany comes to mind... :cool:
But the Bible doesn't say blasphemy is unforgiveable, it says blasphemy specifically against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable. Go back and read the passage:

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men" (Matthew 12:31).

The Greek word there translated "blasphemy" has the following meanings:


slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name
impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty

[Timmy]

But the Bible doesn't say blasphemy is unforgiveable, it says blasphemy specifically against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable.

OK, so blasphemy against God when He is in His "Holy Spirit" office is unforgivable. But blasphemy against God in His "Son" or "Father" office is forgivable. Interesting!

(Note to self: be extremely careful when you blaspheme.)

[Chan]

OK, so blasphemy against God when He is in His "Holy Spirit" office is unforgivable. But blasphemy against God in His "Son" or "Father" office is forgivable. Interesting!

(Note to self: be extremely careful when you blaspheme.)Read the text of the scripture:

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men" (Matthew 12:31 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Matthew+12%3A31)).

[Timmy]

Read the text of the scripture:

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men" (Matthew 12:31 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Matthew+12%3A31)).

Oh, I agree, that's what it says! I was just saying it's interesting! (And TIC to be careful! :winkgrin) (TIC because I don't have plans to blaspheme anybody, really!)

[Timmy]

Let me illustrate the interestingness in another way:

Is it unforgivable to blaspheme Jesus?

[Chan]

Oh, I agree, that's what it says! I was just saying it's interesting! (And TIC to be careful! :winkgrin) (TIC because I don't have plans to blaspheme anybody, really!)I didn't think you had any intention of blaspheming anyone.

[Chan]

Let me illustrate the interestingness in another way:

Is it unforgivable to blaspheme Jesus?I call your attention to Matthew 12:32...

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." (See also Luke 12:10).

[Timmy]

I call your attention to Matthew 12:32...

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." (See also Luke 12:10).

So your answer is.....? Is it unforgivable to blaspheme Jesus?

[Chan]

So your answer is.....? Is it unforgivable to blaspheme Jesus?Go back and read the scripture I quoted. Note especially the first part: "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him" (emphasis mine).

[Timmy]

Go back and read the scripture I quoted. Note especially the first part: "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him" (emphasis mine).

Just want to see if my interpretation and yours are the same. My interpretation is that it is forgivable to blaspheme Jesus. Do you agree?

Is there anyone who disagrees? Does anyone believe that it is unforgivable to blaspheme Jesus? The "Son of man" is Jesus, correct?

[Chan]

Just want to see if my interpretation and yours are the same. My interpretation is that it is forgivable to blaspheme Jesus. Do you agree?I don't think there's any other way to read the passage. It's fairly straight forward.

[Timmy]

I don't think there's any other way to read the passage. It's fairly straight forward.

I thought so, too. But: what is the name of the Holy Spirit, in Oneness theology?

[Chan]

I thought so, too. But: what is the name of the Holy Spirit, in Oneness theology?Oneness folks think the name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus. I think they're wrong but they do believe the name of the Holy Ghost (and, for that matter, the Father) is Jesus.

[Timmy]

Oneness folks think the name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus. I think they're wrong but they do believe the name of the Holy Ghost (and, for that matter, the Father) is Jesus.

OK, aside from the name question, the Son and the Father and the Holy Ghost are all three the same person, in Oneness, correct? So how is blaspheming the Holy Ghost not also blaspheming the Son and the Father? How is blaspheming the Son not also blaspheming the Holy Ghost? The Son is the Holy Gost!

There appears to be a very big distinction bewteen the office of the Holy Ghost and the other two offices. Very big, but not quite as big as between persons, apparently.

[Chan]

OK, aside from the name question, the Son and the Father and the Holy Ghost are all three the same person, in Oneness, correct? So how is blaspheming the Holy Ghost not also blaspheming the Son and the Father? How is blaspheming the Son not also blaspheming the Holy Ghost? The Son is the Holy Gost!Paul said there is "one God" and then he went to identify that one God as "the Father" (see 1 Corinthians 8:6). Oneness folks do believe (for the most part) that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same "person."

There appears to be a very big distinction bewteen the office of the Holy Ghost and the other two offices. Very big, but not quite as big as between persons, apparently.That depends on how one is using the term "persons."

[Timmy]

Paul said there is "one God" and then he went to identify that one God as "the Father" (see 1 Corinthians 8:6). Oneness folks do believe (for the most part) that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same "person."

Does this answer my question? Or are you agreeing (or saying that Oneness folks agree) with the premise that blaspheming the Son is blaspheming the Holy Ghost? (Not saying that is my belief. I'm just asking if this is Oneness's belief. And if not, why not?)

That depends on how one is using the term "persons."

Exactly.

[Praxeas]

Does this answer my question? Or are you agreeing (or saying that Oneness folks agree) with the premise that blaspheming the Son is blaspheming the Holy Ghost? (Not saying that is my belief. I'm just asking if this is Oneness's belief. And if not, why not?)



Exactly.
The term Son of man refers to Christ's Humanity more specifically than does the term Son of God or the term Son. We have to ask ourselves WHY is it ok to blasphemy the Son but not the Spirit? Does it have anything to do with the human nature?

If there are two persons who truly are God in every way exactly then how is it possible to blasphemy one and not the other?

And why would it be possible to blasphemy the Spirit and not the Father?

Does the term Spirit really mean "spirit" or is it just a name of a third person who is also God? Because the bible says that God IS Spirit....not just one member. God Is Spirit...that would mean that if you believe in a Trinity all three members are Spirit equally

[Cindy]

Wasn't Paul a blashphemer against Jesus before his revelation on the road to Damascus?

[Bro-Larry]

I've been told that I know it all. At first I thought it was a compliment, but I was wrong. I remember another time I thought I was wrong but I was right.

I really don't know about this subject of blaspheme. I do know that the term is thrown about rather loosely, but I don't think very many people have actually done it.

[Rev]

The term Son of man refers to Christ's Humanity more specifically than does the term Son of God or the term Son. We have to ask ourselves WHY is it ok to blasphemy the Son but not the Spirit? Does it have anything to do with the human nature?

If there are two persons who truly are God in every way exactly then how is it possible to blasphemy one and not the other?

And why would it be possible to blasphemy the Spirit and not the Father?

Does the term Spirit really mean "spirit" or is it just a name of a third person who is also God? Because the bible says that God IS Spirit....not just one member. God Is Spirit...that would mean that if you believe in a Trinity all three members are Spirit equally

Most people forget that there is a vast difference between the flesh of Jesus Christ and the Spirit that was in Christ. That fleshly man was not God! If it was then God died on the cross.

Much of the bible cannot be understood unless you seperate the fleshly from the Spiritual

[mfblume]

Most people forget that there is a vast difference between the flesh of Jesus Christ and the Spirit that was in Christ. That fleshly man was not God! If it was then God died on the cross.

Exactly. But some actually believe God died.

[augustianian]

Exactly. But some actually believe God died.

Now that is a very interesting philosophical issue. Hmmmm. The incarnation experiencing death.......what exactly does that mean to a being that exists on this side of death and on the other side as well....meaning that death only addresses the extinction of the physical but not the extinction of existence??

So did God experience dying (not extinction)?? But since God does not "experience" like we "experience" does that question have any value at all to us?? How could we even define the terms that could give an answer??

This is probably "Where angels fear to trod."??

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[Cindy]

Exactly. But some actually believe God died.

Oh now THAT, is scary. Doesn't it say that God had to turn away from seeing Jesus die?