Where's the FORWARD?

[Kutless]

I would think it would have mailed out by now. :tvhappy

[Nahum]

I would think it would have mailed out by now. :tvhappy

It has been. Two weeks ago this Friday.

[philjones]

It has been. Two weeks ago this Friday.

You would certainly know! :) ;)

[chaotic_resolve]

Got it Monday afternoon. Read it. Didn't learn anything new.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Got it Monday afternoon. Read it. Didn't learn anything new.

So you are still voting NO.

Great!

:tvhappy

[Kutless]

Got it Monday afternoon. Read it. Didn't learn anything new.Well you must be a flamin liberal......:canada :hypercoffee

[CC1]

Some enterprising person with way too much time on their hands nees to post the TV articles here.

[Nahum]

Some enterprising person with way too much time on their hands nees to post the TV articles here.

Not me. I'm way too productive to waste time posting info for lowly nonpreachers to read. *sniff*

[Thad]

i think we already discussed some of it didnt we??

all the Questions about TV etc.

[Kutless]

i think we already discussed some of it didnt we??

all the Questions about TV etc.Are you saying there is an issue with TV?

God forbid!!!! Its bseball season!

[revrandy]

Sounds like someone didn't pay their UPC bill.... er... Ministeral Fellowship Club Card dues... :D

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Some enterprising person with way too much time on their hands nees to post the TV articles here.

CC1, It is a Ministers ONLY magazine.

They won't even post it on CAF.

Kutless, mine is not here yet either.....

[chaotic_resolve]

It is a Ministers only magazine . . . I had to steal it from my father who's a minister! :lol

I tried helping him fill out the survey ballot sheet, but he did it himself. I only disagreed with him on a few choices he made, otherwise he did good.

:thumbsup

[Steadfast]

It has been. Two weeks ago this Friday.

I haven't gotten my copy yet... haven't seen hide nor hair of it.

[Nahum]

I haven't gotten my copy yet... haven't seen hide nor hair of it.

I live an hour from St Louis and haven't received it. Maybe those meanies at HQ don't like us.

[revrandy]

I live an hour from St Louis and haven't received it. Maybe those meanies at HQ don't like us.

It's probaly the shipping dept...to many White Castles for lunch....:hmmm

:D

[Nahum]

It's probaly the shipping dept...to many White Castles for lunch....:hmmm

:D

Bunch a losers!

[revrandy]

Bunch a losers!

Gassy Losers!!!! :D

[SDG]

They got White Castles in St. Louey ... ??? Man ... I miss eating my murder burgers.

[MO Preacher]

I have received my Forward. I did learn a great deal from the information provided.

I thought that the Pro sub committee made better discussion than the con subcommittee. Also I felt like they (con subcommitee) reprinted much of the same information that they printed in the book. I would like to say that I thought it was a unfortunate that the book writers made some of their article personal while they should of stuck to a general discussion.

I have been and still consider myself undecided....and most likely will make a final decision based on the information at general conference. I hope a few more of my questions could be answered before I vote.

However if I was to rate the information provided in the Forward....I would state that I was more pursuaded by the Pro TV information.

Lots of good info in the Forward. I have not filled out the survey yet. But the questions asked were very relevant to the issue at hand.

Thanks,

MO

[CC1]

CC1, It is a Ministers ONLY magazine.

They won't even post it on CAF.

Kutless, mine is not here yet either.....

Guess I will have to get on the phone tonight and call one of my UPC preacher relatives and get him to hang on to it for me to read when I see them next month!

[Hoovie]

Some enterprising person with way too much time on their hands nees to post the TV articles here.

amen. could it just be scanned with enough clarity or is that not possible?

[CC1]

amen. could it just be scanned with enough clarity or is that not possible?

I was hoping someone not too up to speed on copyright law might do just that but I didn't want to outright suggest it! LOL!!

[rrford]

I was hoping someone not too up to speed on copyright law might do just that but I didn't want to outright suggest it! LOL!!

Or someone not overly concerned with ethics.

[Hoovie]

Or someone not overly concerned with ethics.

Now that hurts! :doh

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Now that hurts! :doh

The truth usually does.

See if your Pastor will give you his...

[Hoovie]

The truth usually does.

See if your Pastor will give you his...

He likely would share it, were I that interested. It is available to me from multiple sources.

To be honest, I am not aware of any prohibition, written or otherwise, in sharing the content of the Forward. (unless you refer to copywright litigation issues)

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

He likely would share it, were I that interested. It is available to me from multiple sources.

To be honest, I am not aware of any prohibition, written or otherwise, in sharing the content of the Forward. (unless you refer to copywright litigation issues)

Ethics seems to be fully lacking then...

[Nahum]

Ethics seems to be fully lacking then...

Uhmm, are you sure about that? What about the letters posted on AFF regarding the LB situation?

[Hoovie]

Ethics seems to be fully lacking then...

Please elucidate.

Do you think it is unethical for a minister to allow anyone else to read the Forward? Or are you refering to the reproduction of copywritten materials?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Please elucidate.

Do you think it is unethical for a minister to allow anyone else to read the Forward? Or are you refering to the reproduction of copywritten materials?

Both.

I am a prude in the eyes of some and think BOTT should not be accessable to all either either- including tapes. I saw one lady get all confused after watching a BOTT tape. ** The Fortune 500 has companies who do not allow everyone to attend a sales or management meeting. Some items of discussion are not needed for all saints.

:preach


** This is not a bash of BOTT- a great meeting.

[Hoovie]

Both.

I am a prude in the eyes of some and think BOTT should not be accessable to all either either- including tapes. I saw one lady get all confused after watching a BOTT tape. ** The Fortune 500 has companies who do not allow everyone to attend a sales or management meeting. Some items of discussion are not needed for all saints.
:preach


** This is not a bash of BOTT- a great meeting.



On this we agree, and I can see how at least some of the Forward content would apply.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

On this we agree, and I can see how at least some of the Forward content would apply.

Most months it is not worth reading. They could have saved hiking my dues and posted this "Special Issue" on a members only webpage.

[Kutless]

Both.

I am a prude in the eyes of some and think BOTT should not be accessable to all either either- including tapes. I saw one lady get all confused after watching a BOTT tape. ** The Fortune 500 has companies who do not allow everyone to attend a sales or management meeting. Some items of discussion are not needed for all saints.

:preach


** This is not a bash of BOTT- a great meeting.Oh I have just got to hear some of the things us lowly saints are not privy to. Please oh mighty one reveal to us your superiority. You are obviously on a much higher pedestal than the regular person. May I at least eat from the crumbs????????? :bow :bow :bow :begging

And the next time you talk to God could you ask him if he is available on Thursdays?

[rrford]

Oh I have just got to hear some of the things us lowly saints are not privy to. Please oh mighty one reveal to us your superiority. You are obviously on a much higher pedestal than the regular person. May I at least eat from the crumbs????????? :bow :bow :bow :begging

And the next time you talk to God could you ask him if he is available on Thursdays?

Thanks for missing his point entirely.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Thanks for missing his point entirely.


Indeed

[Kutless]

Thanks for missing his point entirely.well then why don't you set me straight. I am not abaove it. :icecream

[Kutless]

Both.

I am a prude in the eyes of some and think BOTT should not be accessable to all either either- including tapes. I saw one lady get all confused after watching a BOTT tape. ** The Fortune 500 has companies who do not allow everyone to attend a sales or management meeting. Some items of discussion are not needed for all saints.

:preach


** This is not a bash of BOTT- a great meeting.who would "ALL" be referring to? Who is "all saints" referring to?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

well then why don't you set me straight. I am not abaove it. :icecream

Today is Thursday.

Newsflash- God is available. :tiphat

[Kutless]

Today is Thursday.

Newsflash- God is available. :tiphatThank you on all the news flashes. You're cool!

It still would seem that your post puts preachers in some category above the normal person.

[Nahum]

BOOM, you are being a little hypocritical here. We have posted "ministry confidential" info in the past. I remember when rrford gave a letter to Thad to post that wasn't meant for everyone to see.

[Kutless]

I still want to know what could possibly be said at BOTT that the "normal" person couldn't handle? I have been thoroughly blessed by BOTT for a few years.

Honestly just give one example of "confidential minstry" info.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Thank you on all the news flashes. You're cool!

It still would seem that your post puts preachers in some category above the normal person.


You STILL missed it.

BOTT was started as a preacher's only meeting and some of the content is directed at preachers only.

Pastor Poster, why do you defame rrford when Thad posted something?

[Nahum]

You STILL missed it.

BOTT was started as a preacher's only meeting and some of the content is directed at preachers only.

Pastor Poster, why do you defame rrford when Thad posted something?


Defame? HAHAHA!!!

C'mon Bro. You know I'm telling the truth.

[Kutless]

You STILL missed it.

BOTT was started as a preacher's only meeting and some of the content is directed at preachers only.

Pastor Poster, why do you defame rrford when Thad posted something?and you still did not answer the question. Name something outside of general personel counseling that would be for preachers only? :thumbsup

[chaotic_resolve]

BOTT was started as a preacher's only meeting and some of the content is directed at preachers only.

I'd have to disagree. When BOTT first started out, saints were allowed to go. I remember this because in the mid-late 80s Bro. Jeff Arnolds saints rolled in deep and filled several rows when he preached.

BOTT moved from being open to being Pastors, Ministers and Church Workers only. This was in the early 90s that happened. I was there for several years because of that allowance.

It was only a few years ago that they completely closed it to licensed ministers and wives only.

And it's ~not~ due to content issues, it's due to seating issues. Bro. Mangun has resisted the temptation to rent out an arena and have it like a GC or what Landmark used to be. Even though I'm unable to go for now, I fully respect and agree with his decision. Moving to an arena would take away from the impact and power of BOTT.

Again, it didn't start "preachers only" and content wasn't the reason it's now preachers only. It's about seating availability.

[Kutless]

and you still did not answer the question. Name something outside of general personel counseling that would be for preachers only? :thumbsuptick tock tick tock tick tock

[Kutless]

and you still did not answer the question. Name something outside of general personel counseling that would be for preachers only? :thumbsupnothing? nobody? anyone? anything?

[CC1]

I'd have to disagree. When BOTT first started out, saints were allowed to go. I remember this because in the mid-late 80s Bro. Jeff Arnolds saints rolled in deep and filled several rows when he preached.

BOTT moved from being open to being Pastors, Ministers and Church Workers only. This was in the early 90s that happened. I was there for several years because of that allowance.

It was only a few years ago that they completely closed it to licensed ministers and wives only.

And it's ~not~ due to content issues, it's due to seating issues. Bro. Mangun has resisted the temptation to rent out an arena and have it like a GC or what Landmark used to be. Even though I'm unable to go for now, I fully respect and agree with his decision. Moving to an arena would take away from the impact and power of BOTT.

Again, it didn't start "preachers only" and content wasn't the reason it's now preachers only. It's about seating availability.

You are correct! I last attended BOTT in 1990 (if memory serves me correct) and either the next year or very soon thereafter it became a ministers only meeting.

As you stated that was due strictly to seating ability. They did not want any preachers to miss the meeting because lay people were in the pews.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

tick tock tick tock tick tock

nothing? nobody? anyone? anything?

Kutless, some of us work day jobs..... once in a while not posting for sometime means Caesar is watching.

:haloplug

[Kutless]

Kutless, some of us work day jobs..... once in a while not posting for sometime means Caesar is watching.

:haloplughey no problem :thumbsup