TBN Big Mess Again

[harleypreacher]

How about BH and PW taking a romantic vacation to Rome to visit the Vatican. Google the two names together and you will find pictures of them leaving a fancy hotel holding hands. BH is still married and PW is twice divorced. BH is in need of 2 million dollars, to continue spreeding his false gospel around the world. Is PW becoming the great whore of Revelation?

[Ferd]

Glad I am a UPCI guy and not a TBN wannbe like so many here on AFF!

Yea me!

[Truthseeker]

Watch it, there's TBN fans here.

[Ferd]

Watch it, there's TBN fans here.

I really want to say something rotten right now... but I just cant bring myself to do it.

[Truthseeker]

I really want to say something rotten right now... but I just cant bring myself to do it.

Let it rip potato chip!

[crakjak]

Glad I am a UPCI guy and not a TBN wannbe like so many here on AFF!

Yea me!

Yeah, the UPCI has its scandals, my friend. Don't they?

I am not a fan of TBN or those two, in any way, I assure you. But let's not rejoice in the failure of anyone, that we "...be not parttakers of their sins..."

Their "ministries" are more of a scandal than any rumored affair, in my opinion.

[Ferd]

Yeah, the UPCI has its scandals, my friend. Don't they?

I am not a fan of TBN or those two, in any way, I assure you. But let's not rejoice in the failure of anyone, that we "...be not parttakers of their sins..."

Their "ministries" are more of a scandal than any rumored affair, in my opinion.

I am not rejoicing in anyone's sin. that would be aweful. sharpsticking folks around here that have made a life mission out of blasting the UPCI (which I love dearly) however, is not beyond me. I am still just a sinner saved by grace and still a work in progress!

sorry my brother, you are right but I dont want to help myself today...

[crakjak]

I am not rejoicing in anyone's sin. that would be aweful. sharpsticking folks around here that have made a life mission out of blasting the UPCI (which I love dearly) however, is not beyond me. I am still just a sinner saved by grace and still a work in progress!

sorry my brother, you are right but I dont want to help myself today...

You did refrain from the "really rotten" stuff, so don't be too hard on yourself!!! I was just rattling your cage a bit, and my own in the process! LOL

[Ferd]

You did refrain from the "really rotten" stuff, so don't be too hard on yourself!!! I was just rattling your cage a bit, and my own in the process! LOL


Ive turned over a new leaf! well sorta... its new but not too different from the old one.

Which reminds me of a story.

Back in the halcion days of my youth, I was in the Navy. there was a guy that all the sudden started walking around picking things up and saying "thats not it!"

He did this day after day and got more and more agitated. eventually he went in for a phyic eval. They kept him for a long time and he did the same thing while on the nut ward.

he would walk around the grounds of the naval hospital in Portsmouth VA in his crayz gown picking up leaves and looking at the underside and exclaim "That's not it!"

this went on for several months and eventually they gave him a crazy discharge. when he went in to get the final papers, he picked them up and exclaimed THIS IS IT!

[rgcraig]

Ive turned over a new leaf! well sorta... its new but not too different from the old one.

Which reminds me of a story.

Back in the halcion days of my youth, I was in the Navy. there was a guy that all the sudden started walking around picking things up and saying "thats not it!"

He did this day after day and got more and more agitated. eventually he went in for a phyic eval. They kept him for a long time and he did the same thing while on the nut ward.

he would walk around the grounds of the naval hospital in Portsmouth VA in his crayz gown picking up leaves and looking at the underside and exclaim "That's not it!"

this went on for several months and eventually they gave him a crazy discharge. when he went in to get the final papers, he picked them up and exclaimed THIS IS IT!

LOL! Was his name Klinger?

[Ferd]

LOL! Was his name Klinger?

LOL! no but he was notorious at Portsmith Naval Hospital!

[RandyWayne]

LOL! Was his name Klinger?

That is exactly the first name that popped in my mind also.

http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/corporal-klinger.jpg

[MissBrattified]

Ive turned over a new leaf! well sorta... its new but not too different from the old one.

Which reminds me of a story.

Back in the halcion days of my youth, I was in the Navy. there was a guy that all the sudden started walking around picking things up and saying "thats not it!"

He did this day after day and got more and more agitated. eventually he went in for a phyic eval. They kept him for a long time and he did the same thing while on the nut ward.

he would walk around the grounds of the naval hospital in Portsmouth VA in his crayz gown picking up leaves and looking at the underside and exclaim "That's not it!"

this went on for several months and eventually they gave him a crazy discharge. when he went in to get the final papers, he picked them up and exclaimed THIS IS IT!

That is HILARIOUS!!!! :toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[Mr. Smith]

Watch it, there's TBN fans here.


Yes, there probably are a few idiots.

[canam]

Reminds me of the time a young man came over here from Canada during the late 60s, fell in love and married a local girl he immediately was petrified that he was going to be drafted, so when he got his notice to show up for a medical and classification, he decided to pretend he was deaf. He goes in the booth where they played these notes and you would signal when you heard the first note ,he does nothing,until it was deafening.The officer waves him out, signals for him to come over to the desk and starts filling out papers ,then he says so how are you doing ? he goes fine , officer says according to this test you are stone deaf , whoops ! Bobby (not his real name ) forgot . He got his classification and immediately sprinted for the border with his new bride. LOL.True Story ! Ps he wasnt the sharpest but very funny ,he bragged one time of picking up this truck tire all alone ,he said that thing had 50 pounds of air in it.Dead serious !

[Praxeas]

How about BH and PW taking a romantic vacation to Rome to visit the Vatican. Google the two names together and you will find pictures of them leaving a fancy hotel holding hands. BH is still married and PW is twice divorced. BH is in need of 2 million dollars, to continue spreeding his false gospel around the world. Is PW becoming the great whore of Revelation?
BW is or is getting a divorce

[Praxeas]

You did refrain from the "really rotten" stuff, so don't be too hard on yourself!!! I was just rattling your cage a bit, and my own in the process! LOL
Where were you when LS and other UPC ministers were getting shredded? :blah:blah

[Jack Shephard]

Yes, there probably are a few idiots.

I resemble that remark...LOL

[Maximilian]

Glad I am a UPCI guy and not a TBN wannbe like so many here on AFF!

Yea me!

Riiiiiight. No skeletons in your theological closet :toofunny

FTR, let it be said that I am not a fan of TBN, nor a TBN wannabe.

[Maximilian]

I am not rejoicing in anyone's sin. that would be aweful. sharpsticking folks around here that have made a life mission out of blasting the UPCI (which I love dearly) however, is not beyond me. I am still just a sinner saved by grace and still a work in progress!

sorry my brother, you are right but I dont want to help myself today...

If it makes you feel better, it's not the UPCI whose ideas are being primarily targeted It's the idealogy that permeates groups from Mennonite, Southern Baptist, Evangelical to even your little denim-skirt wearing UPCI.

Tends to feel more UPCI-ish, since that's what many on here are recently removed from.

[pelathais]

Watch it, there's TBN fans here.

Really. Just look at the way they're all piling on this one.


:chirp

[Baron1710]

How about BH and PW taking a romantic vacation to Rome to visit the Vatican. Google the two names together and you will find pictures of them leaving a fancy hotel holding hands. BH is still married and PW is twice divorced. BH is in need of 2 million dollars, to continue spreeding his false gospel around the world. Is PW becoming the great whore of Revelation?

this one?
http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Benny-Hinn-Paula-White-Picture-Affair.jpg

[Sherri]

I'm not defending either one of them. They may have been on some rendezvous - I have no idea. But seriously........this IS the National Enquirer. Can we really trust their photos?

[Baron1710]

I'm not defending either one of them. They may have been on some rendezvous - I have no idea. But seriously........this IS the National Enquirer. Can we really trust their photos?

Trust their photo?

Really?

I would bet my house on the photo.

Even the Enquirer wouldn't get away with faking a photo.

[Jack Shephard]

If the divorce isn't final it could be due to monitary issues, which I am sure it is. That being said just that they are in Italy together holding hands doesn't mean that they are sleeping in the same room and such. But honestly I can say what does she see in him? Lawd, he ain't no spring chicken.

[MissBrattified]

If the divorce isn't final it could be due to monitary issues, which I am sure it is. That being said just that they are in Italy together holding hands doesn't mean that they are sleeping in the same room and such. But honestly I can say what does she see in him? Lawd, he ain't no spring chicken.

Having a romantic relationship with any other person before you are legally released from a former spouse is completely inappropriate, especially for a minister.

Whether it's appropriate after you are legally *unbound* is also debatable in some circumstances. :coffee2

[CC1]

I'm not defending either one of them. They may have been on some rendezvous - I have no idea. But seriously........this IS the National Enquirer. Can we really trust their photos?

Sherri,

Actually for the last 15 years or so the National Enquirer has been right on the money with most scandals it breaks. It is not the Enquirer of our youth.
They broke the John Edwards scandal and quite a few more.

I remember years ago they published a story about how that Vince Gill and Amy Grant had been seen leaving a celebrity baseball game in Nashville together. How they had sneaked around opposite sides of the parking lot then met up and left together. I remember being so mad at the time that the Enquirer would impune these two fine married people. Of course only a few months later it came out that the lights were out in the house of love and it was true that Vince and Amy were having an affair.

[Jack Shephard]

Having a romantic relationship with any other person before you are legally released from a former spouse is completely inappropriate, especially for a minister.

Whether it's appropriate after you are legally *unbound* is also debatable in some circumstances. :coffee2

True. I guess what I mean is that these photos may not actually give the truth of what is going on. I wouldn't do what they apparently are doing.

[Maximilian]

But I thought Benny was starting to talk TOUGH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ej7n7Nhns&feature=player_embedded#!

[Mr. Smith]

But I thought Benny was starting to talk TOUGH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ej7n7Nhns&feature=player_embedded#!


I made it to 1:40 when he said he wanted to jump through the TV set and punch him out. What a neanderthal moronic idiot. After his Mt. Everest pile of heresy he's gonna lash out......

Unreal. I cannot believe he has a single follower.

[CC1]

I never thought I would agree with anything Benny Hinn would say but in the case of this video clip I agree with what he said about Joel's appearance on Larry King. I now JO was trying to be diplomatic but on the point of whether Christ is the only way to salvation / heaven he should have proudly stood firm and said yes.

[Mr. Smith]

I never thought I would agree with anything Benny Hinn would say but in the case of this video clip I agree with what he said about Joel's appearance on Larry King. I now JO was trying to be diplomatic but on the point of whether Christ is the only way to salvation / heaven he should have proudly stood firm and said yes.


I think Joel has gotten WAY too bad of a rap for this. You know, all of us are gonna blow it if we say enough. He was in a tough spot, didn't do his best, and I think we oughta move on.

Really though, I agree with what he said....it IS God's call. All of it. Larry King was trying to trap him, and Joel didn't go for it. I don't blame him. The best answer I've ever heard when a preacher was blind-sided by this question, was given by Erwin McManus. When asked the same question, he said, "I believe everyone needs Jesus, even Christians."

[crakjak]

Where were you when LS and other UPC ministers were getting shredded? :blah:blah

What are you talking about???

[crakjak]

Ive turned over a new leaf! well sorta... its new but not too different from the old one.

Which reminds me of a story.

Back in the halcion days of my youth, I was in the Navy. there was a guy that all the sudden started walking around picking things up and saying "thats not it!"

He did this day after day and got more and more agitated. eventually he went in for a phyic eval. They kept him for a long time and he did the same thing while on the nut ward.

he would walk around the grounds of the naval hospital in Portsmouth VA in his crayz gown picking up leaves and looking at the underside and exclaim "That's not it!"

this went on for several months and eventually they gave him a crazy discharge. when he went in to get the final papers, he picked them up and exclaimed THIS IS IT!

:toofunny:toofunny

[Maximilian]

I don't know, MS. If you're a minister of the Gospel, and you get thrown an answer that you study and prepare for years to answer, and one that you've already answered day-in and day-out, it's your opportunity, prime-time to point the way to Jesus.... I'll cut him slack of he messed up, but he hasn't back-tracked or indicated he messed up. He solidified his market for his new best-seller.

[Mr. Smith]

I don't know, MS. If you're a minister of the Gospel, and you get thrown an answer that you study and prepare for years to answer, and one that you've already answered day-in and day-out, it's your opportunity, prime-time to point the way to Jesus.... I'll cut him slack of he messed up, but he hasn't back-tracked or indicated he messed up. He solidified his market for his new best-seller.


Maybe so. But I would venture to guess that he's engaging an audience that others can't reach. There may be value in that. Or maybe not. But I would entertain the possibility.

But ultimately? It's up to God. I agree with that.

[CC1]

I think Joel has gotten WAY too bad of a rap for this. You know, all of us are gonna blow it if we say enough. He was in a tough spot, didn't do his best, and I think we oughta move on.

Really though, I agree with what he said....it IS God's call. All of it. Larry King was trying to trap him, and Joel didn't go for it. I don't blame him. The best answer I've ever heard when a preacher was blind-sided by this question, was given by Erwin McManus. When asked the same question, he said, "I believe everyone needs Jesus, even Christians."

Either Jesus is the only way to salvation or he isn't. Even though the secular media may be trying to set a trap to marginalize a Christian leader this point is not one that can be danced around. It is central to the Gospel. Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation and we should firmly declare that in every situation. Not with hatred or malice of couse but with a heart of love and joy.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I just desire to be a Bible Christian.

[Sam]

Either Jesus is the only way to salvation or he isn't. Even though the secular media may be trying to set a trap to marginalize a Christian leader this point is not one that can be danced around. It is central to the Gospel. Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation and we should firmly declare that in every situation. Not with hatred or malice of couse but with a heart of love and joy.

Joel could have referenced what Jesus said about Himself in John 14:6 and what St. Paul said in 1 Timothy 2:5. He then could have gone on to say that this is what Jesus said about Himself and what a leading Apostle who wrote most of the New Testament said. Then gone on and said that if we take them and the Bible seriously, all we can do is preach what they said and leave everyone in the hands of a merciful God-- that we cannot say who goes to heaven or hell but we have to preach what the Bible says.

[harleypreacher]

Benny Hinn Admits 'Friendship' With Paula White But Tells TV Audience It's Over

Tuesday, 10 August 2010 04:41 PM EDT Adrienne S. Gaines News - Featured News

Evangelist Benny Hinn recently admitted at a crusade in Oakland, Calif., to having a "friendship" with fellow minister Paula White while he's still married after a tabloid pictured them holding hands in Rome on July 13. But the well-known healing minister says the relationship is over.
"A friendship did develop," Hinn said of White in Oakland on July 30. "Hear this: No immorality whatsoever. These people out there are making it sound like we had an affair. That's a lie."

Hinn invited his daughters Natasha and Eleasha on stage in Oakland and asked the crowd to pray for him, his estranged wife, Suzanne, and their four children. He said he and his wife had problems in their marriage for years and "could no longer exist in the same house."

Hinn's wife, Suzanne, filed for divorce in February after the couple had been separated for years, but it has not been finalized.

Hinn aired segments from the Oakland crusade and made additional personal comments on his This Is Your Day program on TBN Aug. 5, the day after his 31st wedding anniversary. A ministry executive said the program will air on other networks this week, including on Daystar Friday.

Hinn told the crowd in Oakland that the Vatican made him a Patron of the Arts and invited him to visit Rome. He said patrons are asked to find donors to help maintain the Vatican's art collections, and he wanted White to become a donor.

"I let her come with me to Rome so she can donate money," Hinn said. "That was stupid on my part. And for that I do ask forgiveness."

The National Enquirer published photos in its Aug. 2 issue of Hinn walking hand-in-hand with White in Rome. The article, which released July 23, claimed the two spent three nights in a five-star hotel Hinn booked under a false name.

Hinn said in Oakland that he and White found "common ground" after she appeared on This Is Your Day in late May. White and her ex-husband, Randy, went through a public divorce in 2007. She now leads the Tampa, Fla., church they founded, Without Walls International Church, and has her own national television show called Paula Today.

He said he and White were never alone in Rome, but claims he ended his friendship with her after the tabloid report was published. "I said, 'Paula, we can't even be friends right now.'"

Hinn admitted that he contributed to the demise of his marriage by putting ministry over his family. "I was so busy in the ministry, I was so caught up with the ministry, I forgot about my family," Hinn said. "That's probably what broke the whole thing up."

He said he often preached that ministry comes first, acknowledging that he knew that teaching hurt his children. "You know what? It's wrong," he said of the teaching. "I'm here to admit I was wrong because the call of God first should touch the family. If you have no family, you can't go on anyways."

Hinn admitted he and his wife had "challenges" but said he didn't expect her to end the marriage.

"We had troubles for a long time, and I would ask her often, 'Would you ever divorce me?'" Hinn said. "She said, 'Never because I fear God too much.' She said, 'My covenant is with God, not you.' And I guess she could no longer handle it. One day she did it to my shock."

Hinn said it's painful to talk about his marital problems, noting that he and his wife were separated long before the divorce filing.

"We've had to be very quiet to protect the ministry, the work of the Lord," he said. "But sadly when you are a public person, everything you do becomes public."

"I don't care how strong you are," Hinn added. "I don't care if the anointing of God is mighty on you. Nobody wants to be alone. I don't care who you are. I am a human being just like you."

Hinn said he is "still focused on the Lord's work," adding, "I'm going to go on serving Jesus with all my being, and whatever the future holds, that's His business."



Read more: http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news/29089-benny-hinn-admits-friendship-with-paula-white-but-tells-tv-audience-its-over#ixzz0wzI0tn1E

[GraceAmazing]

Well, good for him for acknowledging it...

[Ferd]

Hinn wont miss a beat. Americans love our heros to be deeply flawed and deeply repentant.

He is both.... at least publically.

[Mr. Smith]

Hinn wont miss a beat. Americans love our heros to be deeply flawed and deeply repentant.

He is both.... at least publically.

His "Friendship" with Paula White, on a scale of one to a million, bothers me about a 2 and 1/2. His absurdness on stages around the world, bothers me a solid million.

[mfblume]

At least BH's hair is not as ridiculous looking now, still partly though. lol

Before:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNiUTyI3bVdAMLUNRf2dAgdig7Wu6IA HF4KqpcYEaNDFNoJl8&t=1&usg=__Oje0cqP0g2R_DQ2ouXH2v4PKGTI=

Now:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwBQ-lPv7l7Cajq-szX-zq5iaHdJFCQikQhWsqpMMExX7fzZY&t=1&usg=__62WewOEIJTTBKv4kV8Qh2TIeV5A=

[Sherri]

A "holding hands" friendship with another female while you're still married is still a sin. He's still in covenant with his wife Suzanne. Why do people think just because they're separated that they feel divorced, and so it's ok to go on. Drives me nuts!

[pelathais]

At least BH's hair is not as ridiculous looking now, still partly though. lol

Before:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNiUTyI3bVdAMLUNRf2dAgdig7Wu6IA HF4KqpcYEaNDFNoJl8&t=1&usg=__Oje0cqP0g2R_DQ2ouXH2v4PKGTI=

Now:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwBQ-lPv7l7Cajq-szX-zq5iaHdJFCQikQhWsqpMMExX7fzZY&t=1&usg=__62WewOEIJTTBKv4kV8Qh2TIeV5A=

He traded his "silly hair" in when he bought the outrageous duds?

Really, what is it with these guys and their need to play "dress up?"

[GraceAmazing]

A "holding hands" friendship with another female while you're still married is still a sin. He's still in covenant with his wife Suzanne. Why do people think just because they're separated that they feel divorced, and so it's ok to go on. Drives me nuts!

I'm in total agreement! :thumbsup

[CC1]

Joel could have referenced what Jesus said about Himself in John 14:6 and what St. Paul said in 1 Timothy 2:5. He then could have gone on to say that this is what Jesus said about Himself and what a leading Apostle who wrote most of the New Testament said. Then gone on and said that if we take them and the Bible seriously, all we can do is preach what they said and leave everyone in the hands of a merciful God-- that we cannot say who goes to heaven or hell but we have to preach what the Bible says.

Excellent post Sam. Maybe you can mail to Joel for the next time he is asked that question!

[Mr. Smith]

Excellent post Sam. Maybe you can mail to Joel for the next time he is asked that question!

Joel is still right.....it's still God's decision. I have the feeling that if God allows a couple Muslims into heaven, some of you are gonna throw a fit and boycott the throne.

[Sam]

Joel is still right.....it's still God's decision. I have the feeling that if God allows a couple Muslims into heaven, some of you are gonna throw a fit and boycott the throne.

Here is how Bishop G.T. Haywood taught. Bro. S.G. Norris taught similarly at the Apostolic Bible Institute, and it is my understanding that Bro. Clyde Haney also taught like this at the Bible School in California. Hundreds of ministers have been taught this way by Oneness Pentecostal leaders and teachers.

This is an excerpt fro Bro. Haywood's book on the resurrection of the dead:

The Second Resurrection.
According to the inspired word of God the resurrection of the
"blessed and Holy" is completed a thousand years before the second
resurrection. It is from this point that we are obliged to note the
difference between partakers of the two resurrections.

After the thousand years expire "the rest of the dead" (those who
did not come forth in the first resurrection) both righteous and
wicked, live again and are made to stand before God. It is then that
Jesus separates them as a shepherd divideth the sheep from the goat
according to Matt. 25:31-46.

In this resurrection is included all the righteous men of all
ages who walked in all the light that they were given. It is my candid
opinion that all heathen, Israelites, Christian professors who have
never heard the true gospel of Christ and those who die during
the millennium, walking in the light of their times will be given
eternal life at the last resurrection.

Many righteous people have died without the Holy Ghost and
the question has been asked: "Where will they come in?" They shall be
given eternal life in the last day. They shall inherit the New
Earth where life eternal reigns because "there shall be no more death.

[Truthseeker]

Joel is still right.....it's still God's decision. I have the feeling that if God allows a couple Muslims into heaven, some of you are gonna throw a fit and boycott the throne.

Not gonna happren so wrere safe.

[Jack Shephard]

Not gonna happren so wrere safe.

Not easy for you to say

[Mr. Smith]

Here is how Bishop G.T. Haywood taught. Bro. S.G. Norris taught similarly at the Apostolic Bible Institute, and it is my understanding that Bro. Clyde Haney also taught like this at the Bible School in California. Hundreds of ministers have been taught this way by Oneness Pentecostal leaders and teachers.

This is an excerpt fro Bro. Haywood's book on the resurrection of the dead:

The Second Resurrection.
According to the inspired word of God the resurrection of the
"blessed and Holy" is completed a thousand years before the second
resurrection. It is from this point that we are obliged to note the
difference between partakers of the two resurrections.

After the thousand years expire "the rest of the dead" (those who
did not come forth in the first resurrection) both righteous and
wicked, live again and are made to stand before God. It is then that
Jesus separates them as a shepherd divideth the sheep from the goat
according to Matt. 25:31-46.

In this resurrection is included all the righteous men of all
ages who walked in all the light that they were given. It is my candid
opinion that all heathen, Israelites, Christian professors who have
never heard the true gospel of Christ and those who die during
the millennium, walking in the light of their times will be given
eternal life at the last resurrection.

Many righteous people have died without the Holy Ghost and
the question has been asked: "Where will they come in?" They shall be
given eternal life in the last day. They shall inherit the New
Earth where life eternal reigns because "there shall be no more death.


So are you saying, and are they saying, that there will be a place for those who are not followers of Christ, but how have done good works? Bottom line it for me.

[Mr. Smith]

Not gonna happren so wrere safe.


:lol
Love your attitude. You sound just like a Muslim.

[Maximilian]

Mr. Smith, I hope everyone makes it.

I don't believe it to be the case though. Universalism doesn't quite fit for me. And Jesus is till the ONLY Way in. My entire theology rests in Jesus being the Way.

I guess we can speculate.

[Mr. Smith]

Mr. Smith, I hope everyone makes it.

I don't believe it to be the case though. Universalism doesn't quite fit for me. And Jesus is till the ONLY Way in. My entire theology rests in Jesus being the Way.

I guess we can speculate.


I believe Jesus Christ is the way and I'm betting my life on it. Period. But there's no way in this world I'm going to proclaim that there's no way God could have a plan that somehow I'm not aware of. I know this...if there are others in heaven and Billy Graham is correct, that God will honor those who follow the light they see, I will not be upset.

[Sam]

So are you saying, and are they saying, that there will be a place for those who are not followers of Christ, but how have done good works? Bottom line it for me.

That teaching is that Acts 2:38 is necessary to get into the Church/Body of Christ and be in the rapture. But, there are good people, good Christians, some of them even baptized in the Spirit, who have not heard Acts 2:38 or who heard it but did not recognize it as truth, or who have served God during the last couple thousand years before Acts 2:38 salvation was revealed in 1914. These folks are considered "righteous" and will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment or second resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:11-15 and Matthew 25:31-46. These folks don't work their way into heaven or are not saved by works. They were not really "saved" in the first place but they believed in Jesus and walked in all the light they had. Some also include heathen among them and children who died without getting saved. Some people also call this the Light Doctrine

[Mr. Smith]

That teaching is that Acts 2:38 is necessary to get into the Church/Body of Christ and be in the rapture. But, there are good people, good Christians, some of them even baptized in the Spirit, who have not heard Acts 2:38 or who heard it but did not recognize it as truth, or who have served God during the last couple thousand years before Acts 2:38 salvation was revealed in 1914. These folks are considered "righteous" and will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment or second resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:11-15 and Matthew 25:31-46. These folks don't work their way into heaven or are not saved by works. They were not really "saved" in the first place but they believed in Jesus and walked in all the light they had. Some also include heathen among them and children who died without getting saved. Some people also call this the Light Doctrine


So Sam, if these people don't get into heaven, where do they get into, a spot in hell that has AC, or purgatory or what?

[Sam]

So Sam, if these people don't get into heaven, where do they get into, a spot in hell that has AC, or purgatory or what?

Bishop Haywood and S.G. Norris taught that the righteous went to the New Earth "wherein dwelleth righteousnses" 2 Peter 3:13, Isaiah 66:22

F.E. Curts, Bible teacher and Supt. of the Ohio UPC district, taught that the "holy" (church) and the "righteous" (folks who walked in all the light they had) went to Heaven

It is my understanding that there will be lots of people in Heaven who were never part of the New Testament Church. These would be folks from the Old Testament, people who died before reaching the "age of accountability," people who walked with God in all the light they had, etc.

[Mr. Smith]

Bishop Haywood and S.G. Norris taught that the righteous went to the New Earth "wherein dwelleth righteousnses" 2 Peter 3:13, Isaiah 66:22

F.E. Curts, Bible teacher and Supt. of the Ohio UPC district, taught that the "holy" (church) and the "righteous" (folks who walked in all the light they had) went to Heaven

It is my understanding that there will be lots of people in Heaven who were never part of the New Testament Church. These would be folks from the Old Testament, people who died before reaching the "age of accountability," people who walked with God in all the light they had, etc.


It's probably not funny, but all these different viewpoints are hilarious to me. I think where we end up is, God will decide. Joel Osteen was right. Imagine that.

[Sam]

It's probably not funny, but all these different viewpoints are hilarious to me. I think where we end up is, God will decide. Joel Osteen was right. Imagine that.

This side of the rapture (if there is a rapture) we all have incomplete knowledge and understanding as we look into the mirror of the Word.

9 Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! 10 But when full understanding comes, these partial things will become useless.
11 When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 12 Now we see things imperfectly as in a cloudy mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.
1 Corinthians 13:9-12 NLT

[Rose]

That teaching is that Acts 2:38 is necessary to get into the Church/Body of Christ and be in the rapture. But, there are good people, good Christians, some of them even baptized in the Spirit, who have not heard Acts 2:38 or who heard it but did not recognize it as truth, or who have served God during the last couple thousand years before Acts 2:38 salvation was revealed in 1914. These folks are considered "righteous" and will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment or second resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:11-15 and Matthew 25:31-46. These folks don't work their way into heaven or are not saved by works. They were not really "saved" in the first place but they believed in Jesus and walked in all the light they had. Some also include heathen among them and children who died without getting saved. Some people also call this the Light Doctrine

I once heard a UPCI Minister teach something similar. He used the Tabernacle plan to illustrate this point. In the holy of holies with Jesus would be the Acts 2:38 church serving God to the best of their knowledge. I really can't remember the whole Bible Study but in the outer court of the Tabernacle were those that had received the Holy Ghost & walked with God to the best of their knowledge, and outside the Tabernacle were the 'others' that had served God to the the best of their knowledge but had never been baptized in Jesus Name nor received the Holy Ghost.

[Mr. Smith]

I once heard a UPCI Minister teach something similar. He used the Tabernacle plan to illustrate this point. In the holy of holies with Jesus would be the Acts 2:38 church serving God to the best of their knowledge. I really can't remember the whole Bible Study but in the outer court of the Tabernacle were those that had received the Holy Ghost & walked with God to the best of their knowledge, and outside the Tabernacle were the 'others' that had served God to the the best of their knowledge but had never been baptized in Jesus Name nor received the Holy Ghost.


And yet, no one really knows. Lots of theories, no one really knows.

[Rose]

And yet, no one really knows. Lots of theories, no one really knows.

So true! God will be the judge.

[faithit166]

since pentecost,theres only one way to enter in and thats thru the door,anyone who tries to go any other way is like a thief and a robber,also i wished all will be saved but unfortunately that wont be for narrow is the way that leadeth to eternal life and few be there that find it,

[Mr. Smith]

since pentecost,theres only one way to enter in and thats thru the door,anyone who tries to go any other way is like a thief and a robber,also i wished all will be saved but unfortunately that wont be for narrow is the way that leadeth to eternal life and few be there that find it,


Thanks God. It's all clear now.

[faithit166]

so many people trying to go thru the window thinking they will get to jesus do what he says come thru the door:bliss

[Mr. Smith]

so many people trying to go thru the window thinking they will get to jesus do what he says come thru the door:bliss


Thanks again, God. It's great to get input from "The Man" Himself. You've done those of us mortals at the forum a great service. Chime in any time with Your conclusions.

[Maximilian]

Thanks again, God. It's great to get input from "The Man" Himself. You've done those of us mortals at the forum a great service. Chime in any time with Your conclusions.

Well, actually, "the man" has already spoken:

If you don’t follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27)

If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33)

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6-7)

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)

There is only one Mediator, he said—only one way to get to God (1 Timothy 2:5)

If there were any other law, or any other path that offered salvation, then God would have done it (Galatians 3:21)

It is through Christ that the world is reconciled to God (Colossians 1:20-22). Paul was called to spread the gospel among the gentiles. Their religion, he said, was worthless (Acts 14:15).

It is impossible for both ideas to be true at the same time. The doctrine of grace teaches, whether we like it or not, that no other paths lead to salvation

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him[/B] shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

He that believes and is baptized will be saved, he that doesn't believe will be damned. Mark 16:16

[mizpeh]

Well, actually, "the man" has already spoken:

If you don’t follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27)

If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33)

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6-7)

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)

There is only one Mediator, he said—only one way to get to God (1 Timothy 2:5)

If there were any other law, or any other path that offered salvation, then God would have done it (Galatians 3:21)

It is through Christ that the world is reconciled to God (Colossians 1:20-22). Paul was called to spread the gospel among the gentiles. Their religion, he said, was worthless (Acts 14:15).

It is impossible for both ideas to be true at the same time. The doctrine of grace teaches, whether we like it or not, that no other paths lead to salvation

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him[/B] shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

He that believes and is baptized will be saved, he that doesn't believe will be damned. Mark 16:16
You forgot to include the verses about repentance, the new birth, and the necessity of having Christ's Spirit in us.n :girlytantrum

[Mr. Smith]

You forgot to include the verses about repentance, the new birth, and the necessity of having Christ's Spirit in us.n :girlytantrum


Yeah, Maxi, and you also forgot Deut 22:5, I Corinthians 11, Malachi 3:10, and Romans 22:18

[Mr. Smith]

Well, actually, "the man" has already spoken:

If you don’t follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27)

If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33)

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6-7)

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)

There is only one Mediator, he said—only one way to get to God (1 Timothy 2:5)

If there were any other law, or any other path that offered salvation, then God would have done it (Galatians 3:21)

It is through Christ that the world is reconciled to God (Colossians 1:20-22). Paul was called to spread the gospel among the gentiles. Their religion, he said, was worthless (Acts 14:15).

It is impossible for both ideas to be true at the same time. The doctrine of grace teaches, whether we like it or not, that no other paths lead to salvation

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him[/B] shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

He that believes and is baptized will be saved, he that doesn't believe will be damned. Mark 16:16


How long did it take you to look all that up and type it all out?:lol

Come on, Maxi, don't interrupt my conversation I was having with God.

I'm still going to let God make the final, final, final decision. I'm going to allow for his sovereignty and if He has an ace up his holy sleeve that none of us know about, I'm gonna be ok with it.

[Jason B]

Joel Osteen was right. Imagine that.

WRONG!

Joel Osteen is deservedely getting a bad rap. America is full of "preachers" with the backbones of jellyfish.

[Mr. Smith]

WRONG!

Joel Osteen is deservedely getting a bad rap. America is full of "preachers" with the backbones of jellyfish.


How nice that you have all the answers, Mr. Badejo. I'll just tell Jesus that if he gets tired and needs at break at the Judgement Seat, you'll fill in for him.:bliss

[Sister Alvear]

Seems like we somehow gather people to sit on His right hand and left to help him judge but where are the Mosies´ that intercede for souls?????

[Apocrypha]

http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2010/08/14/vatican-says-benny-hinn-and-paula-white-not-patrons-of-the-arts/

The Vatican department he cited says Benny Hinn isnt a registered donor on their database. Busted again.