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Praxeas
08-18-2010, 02:15 AM
She used the "N" word several times on a show, not to call someone a name but to make a philosophical point. Two sponsors pulled over it

What do you think?

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 03:33 AM
Sanitize the thread! Sanitize the thread!!

canam
08-18-2010, 04:09 AM
Then why does anybody advertise on hbo where they constantly use racial language.What a joke

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 05:19 AM
I've always loved Dr. Laura. I listened to the call and as expected, found her comments to be fairly accurate. Her "apology" was made the next day, and I found that to be acceptable, as well. Hopefully, her point won't be lost in all the hub-bub. It's too difficult for many to discuss without hypersensativity and emotionalism.

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 05:55 AM
Motel 6 and Government Motors are the sponsors who have "pulled support".

rgcraig
08-18-2010, 06:43 AM
She's pulling her show now.

Here's her rationale:

"My contract is up for my radio show at the end of the year and I've made the decision not to do radio anymore," Schlessinger told King, who also happens to be on his way out this year (for less incendiary reasons).

"The reason is I want to regain my First Amendment rights. I want to be able to say what's on my mind and in my heart and what I think is helpful and useful without somebody getting angry, some special interest group deciding this is the time to silence a voice of dissent and attack affiliates, attack sponsors. I'm sort of done with that."

She's not retiring or quitting, she added, but rather, hopes to be "stronger and freer to say the things that I believe need to be said for people in this country."

http://www.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20100818/b195834/

Twisp
08-18-2010, 07:24 AM
I doubt she is really quitting the business. I'd say she is pulling a Palin, except actually waiting until her contract runs out, instead of just quitting in the middle of it. Like Palin, she probably has something more lucrative lined up.

As far as her being treated fairly, I think if she would have censored herself it would not have been a big deal. The point could have been made without her repeated usage of the word.

Digging4Truth
08-18-2010, 07:30 AM
Isn't everyone now so properly trained to react in the fashion they have been taught sans any common sense.

These sponsors prove it well.

rgcraig
08-18-2010, 07:35 AM
It would be interesting to see what the sponsors would have done had the caller used the words instead of Dr. Laura. It probably would haven't even come up on their radar.

Twisp
08-18-2010, 07:46 AM
It would be interesting to see what the sponsors would have done had the caller used the words instead of Dr. Laura. It probably would haven't even come up on their radar.

Well, duh. The sponsors aren't paying to adverstise on the caller's show. They are paying to advertise on Dr. Laura's show. If her content isn't what they desire, they have every right to pull their sponsorship. Happens all the time.

rgcraig
08-18-2010, 07:48 AM
Well, duh. The sponsors aren't paying to adverstise on the caller's show. They are paying to advertise on Dr. Laura's show. If her content isn't what they desire, they have every right to pull their sponsorship. Happens all the time.

Well, duh. The caller WAS on her show. They could have bleeped the caller too.

Twisp
08-18-2010, 07:50 AM
Well, duh. The caller WAS on her show. They could have bleeped the caller too.

They could have, but if they didn't have the common sense to bleep the word when Dr. Laura first used it , it stands to reason they thought the word was okay to use and wouldn't have bleeped the caller either.

Digging4Truth
08-18-2010, 07:52 AM
I'm waiting for someone to pull advertisement for the derogatory use of redneck etc.

I'll not be holding my breath though.

rgcraig
08-18-2010, 07:52 AM
They could have, but if they didn't have the common sense to bleep the word when Dr. Laura first used it , it stands to reason they thought the word was okay to use and wouldn't have bleeped the caller either.

Oh, never mind.

Twisp
08-18-2010, 07:55 AM
Oh, never mind.

Cool.

Twisp
08-18-2010, 08:12 AM
I'm waiting for someone to pull advertisement for the derogatory use of redneck etc.

I'll not be holding my breath though.

lol, that would be interesting.

Probably won't happen though. Redneck does not have the same horrible connotation as the word in question.

ILG
08-18-2010, 08:13 AM
She's pulling her show now.

Here's her rationale:

"My contract is up for my radio show at the end of the year and I've made the decision not to do radio anymore," Schlessinger told King, who also happens to be on his way out this year (for less incendiary reasons).

"The reason is I want to regain my First Amendment rights. I want to be able to say what's on my mind and in my heart and what I think is helpful and useful without somebody getting angry, some special interest group deciding this is the time to silence a voice of dissent and attack affiliates, attack sponsors. I'm sort of done with that."

She's not retiring or quitting, she added, but rather, hopes to be "stronger and freer to say the things that I believe need to be said for people in this country."

http://www.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20100818/b195834/

And how is she going to do all that? Write?

rgcraig
08-18-2010, 08:18 AM
And how is she going to do all that? Write?

She always has the option to follow Howard Stern's footsteps and be on Sirius XM - however, she did say she was finished with radio.

Barb
08-18-2010, 08:22 AM
Dr. Laura was on Larry King last night, but I didn't watch it all.

From what I gleaned in the little bit I saw, she indeed will be writing. Her last show will be around Christmas...

Mr. Smith
08-18-2010, 09:02 AM
She used the "N" word several times on a show, not to call someone a name but to make a philosophical point. Two sponsors pulled over it

What do you think?

"Dr." Laura is the WORST thing to happen to radio in the history of that medium. She is borderline verbally abusive to almost every caller. Why anyone would call her and ask her advice is a complete mystery to me.

Digging4Truth
08-18-2010, 09:58 AM
lol, that would be interesting.

Probably won't happen though. Redneck does not have the same horrible connotation as the word in question.

Why not?

When spoken in a derogatory fashion it is meant in just a hateful manner as any other derogatory word including the one in question.

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 10:12 AM
Not sure how fair it is, but it's how things go. If I said something like that at a work-sponsored event, I'd probably be let go too. She's employed like you and I in that way.

Wish her luck on her internet broadcasting, which it looks like what she's getting into.

I don't see eye-to-eye with DL on all things, but I enjoy her insights on making marriages work. Her child rearing is another story... and though there's a place for her "whip in shape, figure out their problem in 5 second" approach, sometimes it's over-the-top and falls short... but makes for great radio and she gets to make her point :)

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 10:13 AM
Why not?

When spoken in a derogatory fashion it is meant in just a hateful manner as any other derogatory word including the one in question.

Doesn't have near the emotional power as the historic N-word.

Any word can be spoken with the same hatred, but like it or not, that word carries with it a century of not just hateful attitudes, but incredibly tragic events.

Digging4Truth
08-18-2010, 10:15 AM
Doesn't have near the emotional power as the historic N-word.

Any word can be spoken with the same hatred, but like it or not, that word carries with it a century of not just hateful attitudes, but incredibly tragic events.

Well I don't get the inconsistency.

If hate speech is wrong then hate speech is wrong and should be dealt with across the board.

Of course I am not one that believes that controlling speech... even hate speech... is in keeping with freedom of speech.

Twisp
08-18-2010, 10:26 AM
Why not?

When spoken in a derogatory fashion it is meant in just a hateful manner as any other derogatory word including the one in question.

lol, the very fact that you will type out "redneck" but not the word in question leads me to believe that you know why one is more acceptable than the other.

If you really thought both words were just as bad, then you wouldn't have typed redneck, but would have censored it like the other word.

Digging4Truth
08-18-2010, 10:41 AM
lol, the very fact that you will type out "redneck" but not the word in question leads me to believe that you know why one is more acceptable than the other.

If you really thought both words were just as bad, then you wouldn't have typed redneck, but would have censored it like the other word.

I used a quote from the post I was replying to.

And... any failure to spell out one word over another wouldn't have to do with my own inconsistencies but those of others.

As Laura found out... there is no context in which you can type or say certain words that won't bring the thought police out of the woodwork to ensure an end is brought to you and your ability to speak freely.

Twisp
08-18-2010, 10:46 AM
I used a quote from the post I was replying to.

And... any failure to spell out one word over another wouldn't have to do with my own inconsistencies but those of others.

As Laura found out... there is no context in which you can type or say certain words that won't bring the thought police out of the woodwork to ensure an end is brought to you and your ability to speak freely.

Still holds true. You spelled out redneck, even though you deem it as derogatory and hateful as the other word. If they are the same, go ahead and use them both in a post. lol, don't worry, I'll wait.

Digging4Truth
08-18-2010, 10:55 AM
Still holds true. You spelled out redneck, even though you deem it as derogatory and hateful as the other word. If they are the same, go ahead and use them both in a post. lol, don't worry, I'll wait.

I'm not an idiot but I live my life and form my actions in full recognition that others are.

Twisp
08-18-2010, 11:00 AM
I'm not an idiot but I live my life and form my actions in full recognition that others are.

So you think both words are the same, but you won't spell one out, whereas you have no issue saying "redneck".

Yeah, that was a pretty lame argument to bring up if you were't going to follow it through to its logical conclusion. Either you believe something or you don't.

Don't just bring something up to try and help an argument if you don't believe in it.

pelathais
08-18-2010, 11:23 AM
Motel 6 and Government Motors are the sponsors who have "pulled support".

GM's largest single shareholder is the United States government. So, wouldn't this be a case of Dr. Schlessinger's First Amendment rights being impuned by the Federal Government?

I can't speak to the comments for which she has apologized, but the multi-racial character of the caller's family resonates with my own experiences. My own father is perhaps the most "racist" person that I am related to - and his "problem" stems from the fact that he was never "white enough." He married about the "whitest" person he could find (my mother) and as a result I was harassed as kid for being "too white." Thanks dad... I think?

Color is nonsense. I've been trying to find reason and meaning in this discussion for my whole life and all I've ever come up with is nonsense.

I am constantly reminded of that Star Trek episode where the two half white and half black men were hatefully fighting each other. The characters were "disgusted" by the appearance of each other. The crew of the Enterprise, however, could not see any difference between the two men. Then, finally, one guy points out that the other fellow is "black on the wrong side and white on the wrong side." Only then does the crew (and the viewer) notice the "difference."

pelathais
08-18-2010, 11:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kuufdY9M-E&feature=fvw

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 11:30 AM
"Dr." Laura is the WORST thing to happen to radio in the history of that medium. She is borderline verbally abusive to almost every caller. Why anyone would call her and ask her advice is a complete mystery to me.Yeah, your show has far more listeners than hers. :blah:blah:blah

Twisp
08-18-2010, 11:30 AM
GM's largest single shareholder is the United States government. So, wouldn't this be a case of Dr. Schlessinger's First Amendment rights being impuned by the Federal Government?

I can't speak to the comments for which she has apologized, but the multi-racial character of the caller's family resonates with my own experiences. My own father is perhaps the most "racist" person that I am related to - and his "problem" stems from the fact that he was never "white enough." He married about the "whitest" person he could find (my mother) and as a result I was harassed as kid for being "too white."

Color is nonsense. I've been trying to find reason and meaning in this discussion for my whole life and all I've ever come up with is nonsense.

I am constantly reminded of that Star Trek episode where the two half white and half black men were hatefully fighting each other. The characters were "disgusted" by the appearance of each other. The crew of the Enterprise, however, could not see any difference between the two men. Then, finally, one guy points out that the other fellow is "black on the wrong side and white on the wrong side." Only then does the crew (and the viewer) notice the "difference."

I don't see how. She has the right to say anything she wants. No one said she could not say it. She just has to deal with the consequences of her actions. Same in nearly all jobs.

In this case, her sponsors thought she was not best representing them, so they pulled their plugs.

Truthseeker
08-18-2010, 11:41 AM
It's best if white folks just not use the N word. To much history to the word that touches sensitive areas of them that have been called it.

It even sounds like penetrating word, almost like a spirit is attached to it or something.

pelathais
08-18-2010, 11:44 AM
So you think both words are the same, but you won't spell one out, whereas you have no issue saying "redneck".

Yeah, that was a pretty lame argument to bring up if you were't going to follow it through to its logical conclusion. Either you believe something or you don't.

Don't just bring something up to try and help an argument if you don't believe in it.

The VBulletin software on AFF is set to automatically delete several known "bad words" in the English language. In my next post I will demonstrate (and probably earn an infraction!).

pelathais
08-18-2010, 11:44 AM
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pelathais
08-18-2010, 11:46 AM
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"The List" isn't as extensive as I thought. Sorry. Just testing.

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Twisp
08-18-2010, 11:47 AM
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Yeah, they definitely came through all right. lol

Whether VBulletin allowed them or not wasn't the point. D4T said that "redneck" is just as hateful as the other word, but he would never think to say or write down the other word, whereas he has no issue doing so with "redneck". Therefore, he must know that the other word is much stronger and hateful than "redneck".

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 11:54 AM
"Dr." Laura is the WORST thing to happen to radio in the history of that medium. She is borderline verbally abusive to almost every caller. Why anyone would call her and ask her advice is a complete mystery to me.

To each his own. For some, she speaks their language, for others she rubs the wrong way. Her ideas are great, though, no matter the medium of style.

I have an incredible wife, and she goes on and on about how much of her ideas about marriage were shapped by DL. So I suppose I have some indebted gratitude toward her.

The Proper Care and Feeding of a Husband was the book my wife raves about. I don't complain: i'm property cared for and fed, and in return I like to think I do a pretty decent job keeping her happy.

pelathais
08-18-2010, 11:55 AM
I don't see how. She has the right to say anything she wants. No one said she could not say it. She just has to deal with the consequences of her actions. Same in nearly all jobs.

In this case, her sponsors thought she was not best representing them, so they pulled their plugs.

The United States Federal Government "pulled the plug." That would be the very definition of "censorship."

I was thinking and wondering "out loud" more than trying to make an argument. GM was one of the companies that famously used "product placement" types of advertising on HBO's The Sopranos.

The Sopranos used "the n- word" frequently, yet no one complained and GM still sought and received the coveted product placements. It's only when someone who is perceived as being "conservative" uses the word - even in an academic fashion as Schlessinger appears to have done - that the big money Liberals attack.

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 11:58 AM
The United States Federal Government "pulled the plug." That would be the very definition of "censorship."

I was thinking and wondering "out loud" more than trying to make an argument. GM was one of the companies that famously used "product placement" types of advertising on HBO's The Sopranos.

The Sopranos used "the n- word" frequently, yet no one complained and GM still sought and received the coveted product placements. It's only when someone who is perceived as being "conservative" uses the word - even in an academic fashion as Schlessinger appears to have done - that the big money Liberals attack.

I don't know, didn't Howard Stern run into similar issues?

If she's a hot commodity in the market, she'll earn more money and have the same audience when she switches formats.

Your point about GM -- is the government really "calling the shots?" Really?

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 11:59 AM
Partial transcript, via HuffPo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/12/dr-lauras-n-word-rant-rad_n_680680.html):
CALLER: Is it OK to say that word? Is it ever OK to say that word?
DR. LAURA: It depends how it's said. Black guys talking to each other seem to think it's ok.
CALLER: But you're not black, they're not black, my husband is white.
DR. LAURA: Oh, I see, so a word is restricted to race. Got it. Can't do much about that.
CALLER: I can't believe someone like you is on the radio spewing out the n-word, and I hope everybody heard it.
DR. LAURA: I didn't spew out the n-word!
CALLER: You said "nigger, nigger, nigger," and I hope everybody heard it.
DR. LAURA: Yes they did, and I'll say it again: nigger, nigger, nigger is what you hear on HBO.


It's a double standard, no matter how you slice it. The political correctness movement has made it acceptable for black people to say it, but no one else. Everyone knows this! And, when people like Dr. Laura point it out, the sensationalists in the world jump on it like stink on an elephant.

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 12:04 PM
The United States Federal Government "pulled the plug." That would be the very definition of "censorship."

I was thinking and wondering "out loud" more than trying to make an argument. GM was one of the companies that famously used "product placement" types of advertising on HBO's The Sopranos.

The Sopranos used "the n- word" frequently, yet no one complained and GM still sought and received the coveted product placements. It's only when someone who is perceived as being "conservative" uses the word - even in an academic fashion as Schlessinger appears to have done - that the big money Liberals attack. Yep, again with the double standards.

Mr. Smith
08-18-2010, 12:05 PM
Yeah, your show has far more listeners than hers. :blah:blah:blah


This is the predictable response of a less than half-witted demagogue who can't think of anything better to say. My absence from the radio profession does not invalidate my opinions. I have an opinion. Deal with it.

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 12:09 PM
It's a double standard, no matter how you slice it. The political correctness movement has made it acceptable for black people to say it, but no one else. Everyone knows this! And, when people like Dr. Laura point it out, the sensationalists in the world jump on it like stink on an elephant.

Dr. Laura regrets saying it.

If you believe there's a double-standard, go for that argument without sinking to that level.

I hate the double standard as well. I also realize a white guy calling a black guy a "nigger" is different than a black guy calling another black guy a "nigger." We can cry "not fair" (and I agree), but it is what it is. They took the negativity of that word and turned into a familial word. Coming from a white guy, it's hard to have that tone.

I think the word should be buried and never remembered again.

Twisp
08-18-2010, 12:10 PM
The United States Federal Government "pulled the plug." That would be the very definition of "censorship."

I was thinking and wondering "out loud" more than trying to make an argument. GM was one of the companies that famously used "product placement" types of advertising on HBO's The Sopranos.

The Sopranos used "the n- word" frequently, yet no one complained and GM still sought and received the coveted product placements. It's only when someone who is perceived as being "conservative" uses the word - even in an academic fashion as Schlessinger appears to have done - that the big money Liberals attack.

Perhaps because conservatives are the one that use that word more than their liberal counterparts? I can't think of too many cases where a liberal politician/media figure used that word. Harry Reid saying negro is the closest I can remember.

As far as The Sopranos, they definitely used that word, along with a host of other racial epitaphs. Perhaps GM thought it was in an artistic format and decided to not pull their products from that show. Not sure.

I'd say that GM, along with most other sponsors, makes these kind of decisions based on protecting their brand and revenue stream, rather than doing it to attack liberals.

Mr. Smith
08-18-2010, 12:10 PM
To each his own. For some, she speaks their language, for others she rubs the wrong way. Her ideas are great, though, no matter the medium of style.

I have an incredible wife, and she goes on and on about how much of her ideas about marriage were shapped by DL. So I suppose I have some indebted gratitude toward her.

The Proper Care and Feeding of a Husband was the book my wife raves about. I don't complain: i'm property cared for and fed, and in return I like to think I do a pretty decent job keeping her happy.


DL? Moody?

The content of her advice and the spirit in which she gives it are two different worlds. She treats callers as if they are raving idiots. I can't deal with it. Strictly speaking of her radio show, I believe she actually appeals to the personality trait of those who are susceptible to abuse. I've heard a couple of psychologists even make these observations of her style on the radio. Extremely submissive people are the ones who tend to call her. Those with strong personalities tend to never call her unless it's to tell her of something they did that they think she will approve of.

On the other hand, although I've never read any of her books, I've read excerpts and her writing style is FAR different from her speaking style. It's MUCH more pleasant and gentle and I thought it had great content.

Praxeas
08-18-2010, 12:12 PM
lol, the very fact that you will type out "redneck" but not the word in question leads me to believe that you know why one is more acceptable than the other.

If you really thought both words were just as bad, then you wouldn't have typed redneck, but would have censored it like the other word.
Actually it's probably because the PC crowd says it's ok to use derogatory comments of whites but not of blacks. Nobody here wants to be censored or banned for using the N word nor do the Admins want a ton of complaints

I don't have a problem pronunciation the word or spelling it out as long as I am not using it in a derogatory way

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 12:13 PM
This is the predictable response of a less than half-witted demagogue who can't think of anything better to say. My absence from the radio profession does not invalidate my opinions. I have an opinion. Deal with it.right, smithie......seems we've had this conversation before.... :ursofunny

You go, with your bad self. :bliss

pelathais
08-18-2010, 12:16 PM
Yeah, they definitely came through all right. lol

Whether VBulletin allowed them or not wasn't the point. D4T said that "redneck" is just as hateful as the other word, but he would never think to say or write down the other word, whereas he has no issue doing so with "redneck". Therefore, he must know that the other word is much stronger and hateful than "redneck".

I agree with you - and not with D4T on this one. I use "redneck" playfully. Would "redneck" be more akin to some one saying "ghetto" in the way that word is used?

I always thought that the African Americans who used the "n- word" did so to try and wear down some of the hateful aspects of the word, king of like the way "Jan Kaas" ("John Cheese" - as in "You cheese eating Dutch !#@#%!!") was won over by the Dutch and eventually became "Yankees."

If that is the case, how "black" does one have to be to use the "n- word?" Laura Sclessinger is obviously "Too white." Maybe we can use her as an extreme. On the other end? Serena Williams is fairly "dark" - so can she freely use the "n-word?" So, can someone "in between" like George Clooney (who's fairly dark for a "white") or Halle Berry (who is about as dark as Clooney) use the "n word?"

There's an interesting discussion here: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_24_110/ai_n26712135/

I know what it's like to be harassed as a kid because of the color of your skin... and I'm a "redneck." Like I said before, "color" is nonsense. Ultimately, most of the arguments about "color" end up in nonsense - from all sides and in all colors.

canam
08-18-2010, 12:18 PM
This is the predictable response of a less than half-witted demagogue who can't think of anything better to say. My absence from the radio profession does not invalidate my opinions. I have an opinion. Deal with it.

Dr Laura had an opinion too.Too bad everyone else cant just deal with it.

canam
08-18-2010, 12:24 PM
Cracker,Cracker ,Cracker, Ok, Lets see some outrage !

pelathais
08-18-2010, 12:26 PM
I agree with you - and not with D4T on this one. I use "redneck" playfully. Would "redneck" be more akin to some one saying "ghetto" in the way that word is used?

I always thought that the African Americans who used the "n- word" did so to try and wear down some of the hateful aspects of the word, king of like the way "Jan Kaas" ("John Cheese" - as in "You cheese eating Dutch !#@#%!!") was won over by the Dutch and eventually became "Yankees."

If that is the case, how "black" does one have to be to use the "n- word?" Laura Sclessinger is obviously "Too white." Maybe we can use her as an extreme. On the other end? Serena Williams is fairly "dark" - so can she freely use the "n-word?" So, can someone "in between" like George Clooney (who's fairly dark for a "white") or Halle Berry (who is about as dark as Clooney) use the "n word?"

There's an interesting discussion here: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_24_110/ai_n26712135/

I know what it's like to be harassed as a kid because of the color of your skin... and I'm a "redneck." Like I said before, "color" is nonsense. Ultimately, most of the arguments about "color" end up in nonsense - from all sides and in all colors.

hmm... that opener sounded like I'm dissing D4T. Sorry, Bro. Didn't mean for it to be quite that strong.

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drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 12:35 PM
Dr Laura had an opinion too.Too bad everyone else cant just deal with it.:thumbsup Hmmmm.... my less that half-witted mind, tells me that that's just not gonna happen.

MissBrattified
08-18-2010, 12:38 PM
I like Dr. Laura, and I would call her "abrasive" rather than abusive. She likes to get straight to the point and gets very impatient with irrelevant conversation.

As for the comments in question--she was being abrasive as usual, but she didn't use the "n" word TOWARD anyone. She said that all you hear on HBO is "n, n, n." In my opinion, the caller was deliberately provocative and immediately tried to twist her comments into racism. Dr. Laura responded with a predictably stubborn repeat of her original statement.

As usual, the response to her comments is skewed because she's a conservative. If Jesse Jackson or Oprah had made such a comment, no one would have noticed. Oprah did a whole show about the use of the "n" word in rap/hip-hop music, and references were sprinkled throughout the show. Again, like Dr. Laura, no one was using the word TOWARD anyone, but referencing its USE in lyrics, etc.

Dr. Laura does not deserve to be maligned over her comments, but the media isn't concerned with fair treatment. They're just concerned with making sure that black voters think that all conservatives are racists. She's the latest patsy on display.

pelathais
08-18-2010, 12:45 PM
I don't know, didn't Howard Stern run into similar issues?

If she's a hot commodity in the market, she'll earn more money and have the same audience when she switches formats.

Your point about GM -- is the government really "calling the shots?" Really?

Oh yeah. Just look at how GM and Saab are intertwined into a monumental UN dominated global car maker. The effects on our freedoms should be chilling to everyone. You know BHO is "in bed" with the Trilaterals and is just itching to sell us out to the secret global elites.

The new 2011 Escalade seems to have escaped their world domineering scheme, however. Except for the fact that you would need a government bail out to afford one.

http://www.automobile.com/2011-cadillac-escalade-review.html

"Government control" doesn't have to equate to "calling the shots," at least not on a one-to-one level. GE also has a huge government ownership and though the Feds don't overtly "call the shots," GE's news divisions (MSNBC, NBC, CNBC, etc) have sat on stories and angled their "reporting" to support the party that currently controls our lives and has done so for most of the past 80 years.

After GE received their $140 billion bailout, MSNBC's Chris Matthews said, "It is my job to make the Obama presidency a success!"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/11/06/odd-job-matthews-says-his-role-make-obama-presidency-success

Maybe the government didn't come right out and "call the shots" but $140 billion dollars of taxpayer money did.

With regard to GM, they're in a mess because of the unbridled greed of the unions. Most of the manufacturing has been driven out of the country or into the South. The unions have been an extension of the DNC for over 80 years now. With the current arrangement, the DNC has now moved itself into the corporate headquarters as well.

The ramifications of this are discussed in this 2009 WSJ article: http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB124087977542061821.html

pelathais
08-18-2010, 12:50 PM
This is the predictable response of a less than half-witted demagogue who can't think of anything better to say. My absence from the radio profession does not invalidate my opinions. I have an opinion. Deal with it.

Yeah, but from the looks of your avatar it's probably best that your "radio show" died out at about the same time as disco. :toofunny

pelathais
08-18-2010, 01:00 PM
Perhaps because conservatives are the one that use that word more than their liberal counterparts? I can't think of too many cases where a liberal politician/media figure used that word. Harry Reid saying negro is the closest I can remember.

As far as The Sopranos, they definitely used that word, along with a host of other racial epitaphs. Perhaps GM thought it was in an artistic format and decided to not pull their products from that show. Not sure.

I'd say that GM, along with most other sponsors, makes these kind of decisions based on protecting their brand and revenue stream, rather than doing it to attack liberals.

? You meant "conservatives," right.

And I have not heard any prominent conservatives using the "n word." From the transcript it seems that Schlessinger may have run afoul in a fashion similar to Kramer. However, whereas Kramer was trying to be "ironic" and "really out there," Schlessinger seems to have been angry about the fact that "the Sopranos" were given more leeway than her caller was giving either her or the caller's husband.

There certainly has not been any conservative of the stature of the Dems' Harry Reid who has said anything like this. And you know, if Harry Reid had been a Republican he would probably have been forced to resign. There is clearly a double standard.

Liberals are given "artistic license." Conservatives, who don't even use the word - like the Tea Party flap on this issue - are bashed immediately as "racists." Race keeps being used as a tool by the Left to keep black voters in line. Many African Americans have awakened to this fact only to be vilified as "Uncle Toms" by other blacks and the whites who control the DNC.

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 01:03 PM
I like Dr. Laura, and I would call her "abrasive" rather than abusive. She likes to get straight to the point and gets very impatient with irrelevant conversation.

As for the comments in question--she was being abrasive as usual, but she didn't use the "n" word TOWARD anyone. She said that all you hear on HBO is "n, n, n." In my opinion, the caller was deliberately provocative and immediately tried to twist her comments into racism. Dr. Laura responded with a predictably stubborn repeat of her original statement.

As usual, the response to her comments is skewed because she's a conservative. If Jesse Jackson or Oprah had made such a comment, no one would have noticed. Oprah did a whole show about the use of the "n" word in rap/hip-hop music, and references were sprinkled throughout the show. Again, like Dr. Laura, no one was using the word TOWARD anyone, but referencing its USE in lyrics, etc.

Dr. Laura does not deserve to be maligned over her comments, but the media isn't concerned with fair treatment. They're just concerned with making sure that black voters think that all conservatives are racists. She's the latest patsy on display.

Jesse Jackson and Oprah have more in contrast with Dr. Laura than not being conservative -- probably the most relevant is that they are black?

If I'm not mistaken a Democratic congressman and even the Majority Leader caught flack for "racial" remarks recently.

I will agree that the criticism seems sometimes much more vile toward conservatives, as they are suspected of being the rich, racist, white party.

pelathais
08-18-2010, 01:19 PM
Jesse Jackson and Oprah have more in contrast with Dr. Laura than not being conservative -- probably the most relevant is that they are black?

Seriously, what does that have to do with anything? Honestly and with complete naivete, what does "being black" have to do with anything? As I said before, George Clooney and Halle Berry are both "black." They are aren't they?

Can Maria Carey "break it down" and do a funky rap using all the gangsta words including the "n word?" Is she "black enough?" Is she even black at all?

My whole life has been spent around folks that are "kind of this" or "sort of that." Kids I went to school with thought my dad was a "Mexican." "So what's with you 'white' name?" I was asked. Then in gym they'd tease me for being "too white."

What's "black enough" and what's "too white" to use the "n word?" Draw a line for us.


If I'm not mistaken a Democratic congressman and even the Majority Leader caught flack for "racial" remarks recently.

I will agree that the criticism seems sometimes much more vile toward conservatives, as they are suspected of being the rich, racist, white party.

You're probably thinking Harry Reid. If it had been a Republican who said that he would be out of office by now. Look at Trent Lott's treatment. The Republicans ran him out of town themselves. The Dems? They thrive in an atmosphere of racial hate, fear and suspicion. Harry got hardly a hand slap.

(Gotta step away and do some "work" - I'll be back).

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 01:35 PM
Seriously, what does that have to do with anything? Honestly and with complete naivete, what does "being black" have to do with anything? As I said before, George Clooney and Halle Berry are both "black." They are aren't they?

Whether you or I like it or not, or disagree or not, that's the reality. Culturally and socially it's acceptable for blacks to use the word. I don't follow you Clooney reference either.

Can Mariah Carey "break it down" and do a funky rap using all the gangsta words including the "n word?" Is she "black enough?" Is she even black at all?
Don't know. Has she earned that trustworthy reputation among them? Maybe.

My whole life has been spent around folks that are "kind of this" or "sort of that." Kids I went to school with thought my dad was a "Mexican." "So what's with you 'white' name?" I was asked. Then in gym they'd tease me for being "too white."

What's "black enough" and what's "too white" to use the "n word?" Draw a line for us.



You're probably thinking Harry Reid. If it had been a Republican who said that he would be out of office by now. Look at Trent Lott's treatment. The Republicans ran him out of town themselves. The Dems? They thrive in an atmosphere of racial hate, fear and suspicion. Harry got hardly a hand slap.

(Gotta step away and do some "work" - I'll be back).

I'm thinking, the point MB made about Oprah and Jesse Jackson getting away with it because they aren't conservative was not fully presented. The obvious distinction on matters of race speech is that they were of the race being perpetrated.

Regardless of how appropriate Harry's punishment was, he was called out for it. In my prior post I agreed that there seems to be more ire against conservatives, who many think are rich, white people.

Jermyn Davidson
08-18-2010, 03:01 PM
I've always loved Dr. Laura. I listened to the call and as expected, found her comments to be fairly accurate. Her "apology" was made the next day, and I found that to be acceptable, as well. Hopefully, her point won't be lost in all the hub-bub. It's too difficult for many to discuss without hypersensativity and emotionalism.

It's not hypersensitivity.

It's hyper-insensitivity.


Whatever point she was trying to make could have been made in a better way.

I actually called Advance Auto Corp HQ's letting them know about my displeasure with her and how I hope they would withdraw their sponsorship.

I may call others.

Jermyn Davidson
08-18-2010, 03:04 PM
Why not?

When spoken in a derogatory fashion it is meant in just a hateful manner as any other derogatory word including the one in question.

"Redneck" does not have the same history or hatred associated with it as the n word.



We're comparing apples and oranges here.

Jermyn Davidson
08-18-2010, 03:08 PM
Dr. Laura regrets saying it.

If you believe there's a double-standard, go for that argument without sinking to that level.

I hate the double standard as well. I also realize a white guy calling a black guy a "nigger" is different than a black guy calling another black guy a "nigger." We can cry "not fair" (and I agree), but it is what it is. They took the negativity of that word and turned into a familial word. Coming from a white guy, it's hard to have that tone.

I think the word should be buried and never remembered again.

Awesome.

pelathais
08-18-2010, 03:20 PM
Whether you or I like it or not, or disagree or not, that's the reality. Culturally and socially it's acceptable for blacks to use the word. I don't follow you Clooney reference either.

Can Mariah Carey "break it down" and do a funky rap using all the gangsta words including the "n word?" Is she "black enough?" Is she even black at all?
Don't know. Has she earned that trustworthy reputation among them? Maybe.

"THEM" ??? She is "them!" That's my point. Were you unaware of the fact that Mariah Carey is of African American descent?

You should read the article I linked to earlier: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_24_110/ai_n26712135/ - especially the quotes from various entertainers and social critics toward the bottom.

There is no consensus among African Americans as to whether or not the "n word" should be used in any manner. You at least appear to be saying that there is some monolithic "THEM" that serves to pass judgement upon all who use the word. If you're "black enough" then it's "cool?" What is "black enough?" You have avoided that question.

And who determines just who is "black enough?" The argument ends up sounding like Evangelist Benincasa and Elder Burke's arguments about who is "a Jew?" (More specifically, "Who is a Jewish priest?").

We're all related by descent from a common ancestor. That is a simple fact. Because of geographic isolation, many of our subsequent ancestors adapted to different environments and differences in physical appearances developed over the short run. Because we don't have fur our skins bore the full brunt of the sun's radiation (or not) and it had to adapt as local conditions dictated.

Today's world has obliterated the whole concept of geographic isolation. It is foolish (IMHO) to insist that everyone breed and act as if the rest of the world didn't exist, trying to artificially maintain the old geographic isolation.

"Black culture" is everyone's culture. Saint Patrick's Day belongs to everyone. Hip hop is for whoever cares to dress and dance like that. At Thanksgiving we are all "Pilgrims" and "Indians."

"Color" is nonsense. It's a skin condition. Some people can make it look good, the rest of us wear pants. As Martin Luther King Jr. once said, "The concentrations of dihydroxyindole carboxylic acid polymers in your skin tells me nothing about the content of your character." Or something like that.

How diffuse or how concentrated are your dihydroxyindole carboxylic acid polymers, and does it really matter?

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Pel, usually a person, with any african heritage, tends to claims that heritage and identify with it. It's probably the same for Mariah.

Though, I suspect she'd be light enough that if she identified more (classical opera singer, played golf, hung out with Paris Hilton and attended an Ivy League school) with her White ancestry (to the exclusion of her Black ancestry), she'd have a harder time using esoteric language to the Black Community.

Even I can tell when it's awkward if someone is using the word or not.

pelathais
08-18-2010, 03:37 PM
Pel, usually a person, with any african heritage, tends to claims that heritage and identify with it. It's probably the same for Mariah.

Though, I suspect she'd be light enough that if she identified more (classical opera singer, played golf, hung out with Paris Hilton and attended an Ivy League school) with her White ancestry (to the exclusion of her Black ancestry), she'd have a harder time using esoteric language to the Black Community.

Even I can tell when it's awkward if someone is using the word or not.

What do you think about the following? I guess you agree?

* JOE TORRY, COMEDIAN: I feel it's two words. And Tupac kind of put it best. He said there's niggers which is niggers that derived from hate and has a negative meaning. But then there's this new term ... which is niggaz. That's just like saying my homie, my boy, my man. The way (Richards) said it ... and how he went back in time with it, he was talking about niggers. He wasn't talking about niggaz."

from http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_24_110/ai_n26712135/

DividedThigh
08-18-2010, 03:40 PM
simple answer, she was not, but the libs arent fair, even to themselves they are justified in there own eyes, lol

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 03:48 PM
What do you think about the following? I guess you agree?



from http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_24_110/ai_n26712135/

Yeah, I remember this controversy. His tirade was most certainly racist too (Richards) and awkward. Regarding the "two words," I think I agree... not agree with using it, but there are clearly two words in use. One has a slang epitaph with it and the other is used by now-retired Klan members.

MissBrattified
08-18-2010, 03:56 PM
Jesse Jackson and Oprah have more in contrast with Dr. Laura than not being conservative -- probably the most relevant is that they are black?

Oddly enough, I was classifying them as liberal public figures--not just as the black counterparts to Dr. Laura. They are most certainly both VERY liberal in their political views. The fact that they are both black only adds to the accusation of media hypocrisy, and doesn't negate my comparison. :coffee2

MissBrattified
08-18-2010, 03:59 PM
Dr. Laura regrets saying it.

If you believe there's a double-standard, go for that argument without sinking to that level.

I hate the double standard as well. I also realize a white guy calling a black guy a "nigger" is different than a black guy calling another black guy a "nigger." We can cry "not fair" (and I agree), but it is what it is. They took the negativity of that word and turned into a familial word. Coming from a white guy, it's hard to have that tone.

I think the word should be buried and never remembered again.

I agree 100%, however when Oprah did her show on its use (among other offensive terms) in the music/entertainment industry, much [most?] of the strong support for its continued use came from black people.

pelathais
08-18-2010, 05:08 PM
Yeah, I remember this controversy. His tirade was most certainly racist too (Richards) and awkward. Regarding the "two words," I think I agree... not agree with using it, but there are clearly two words in use. One has a slang epitaph with it and the other is used by now-retired Klan members.

But there is also the phenomena where a well meaning "white guy" who admires particular black entertainers and tries to emulate them will find that simply because of the color of his skin, he doesn't fit in with others. It seemed to me that Schlessinger's caller had a husband like that.

"Why can't that homie hang out with his dawgs and chill with those 'niggaz?'" That seems to have been the problem the caller was confronting. Schlessinger seemed to take the position that there are many blacks who are racist enough that they would never chill with a white guy even if he did marry their sister.

I drove past the historical marker for the Brown vs. Board of Education case in Kansas last week. A young black lawyer named Thurgood Marshal argued that "separate but equal" has no place in America because "separate is inherently unequal." His argument prevailed and stands as the law of the land with regard to education. That ruling and the subsequent laws that followed were then enforced by a Kansas farm boy named Eisenhower when he went so far as to call out the Army and force segregation at the point of a gun.

Having worked and fought so hard to become a part of America's broader culture, why do so many blacks now want to exclude whites from the shared aspects of that culture? If it's okay for a black man to "chill with the 'niggaz'" then a white man should be allowed to chill with the same folks.

johnny44
08-18-2010, 06:00 PM
Cracker,Cracker ,Cracker, Ok, Lets see some outrage !

I like ritz crackers.

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 06:13 PM
It's not hypersensitivity.

It's hyper-insensitivity.
Really? Then, you've made up another word the PC nuts will love.


Whatever point she was trying to make could have been made in a better way.

I actually called Advance Auto Corp HQ's letting them know about my displeasure with her and how I hope they would withdraw their sponsorship.

I may call others.
Glad for you. Info is posted.

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 06:25 PM
I agree 100%, however when Oprah did her show on its use (among other offensive terms) in the music/entertainment industry, much [most?] of the strong support for its continued use came from black people.And, why would that be?

Praxeas
08-18-2010, 06:32 PM
It's not hypersensitivity.

It's hyper-insensitivity.


Whatever point she was trying to make could have been made in a better way.

I actually called Advance Auto Corp HQ's letting them know about my displeasure with her and how I hope they would withdraw their sponsorship.

I may call others.
IF she was a black woman would you have still called?

Praxeas
08-18-2010, 06:39 PM
"Redneck" does not have the same history or hatred associated with it as the n word.



We're comparing apples and oranges here.
Does that make it alright to call someone a redneck in a derogatory way?

Praxeas
08-18-2010, 06:42 PM
What do you think about the following? I guess you agree?



from http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_24_110/ai_n26712135/
So Dr L's mistake was not using the Z? Or could she say that and be ok? So much for freedom of speech...Blacks can say it but nobody else can use that word...even if it's NOT intended to be hateful

Socialite
08-18-2010, 06:43 PM
Does that make it alright to call someone a redneck in a derogatory way?

No, but the point remains that the "n word" is much more an emotional bomb that "redneck."

The same is true with calling a woman a "chick" or a "c***" Neither are respectful, one evokes an appropriate slap in the face though.

Socialite
08-18-2010, 06:44 PM
So Dr L's mistake was not using the Z? Or could she say that and be ok? So much for freedom of speech...Blacks can say it but nobody else can use that word...even if it's NOT intended to be hateful

That little one letter nuance sort of changes the whole word.

Point being, Dr. Laura shouldn't have said it, and she has already publicly apologized and admitted her regret. If we want to insist on the double-standard, go for it, I got your back. More importantly, I strongly encourage the Black Community to quit using it. Many in the BC already feel that way.

Praxeas
08-18-2010, 06:50 PM
No, but the point remains that the "n word" is much more an emotional bomb that "redneck."

The same is true with calling a woman a "chick" or a "c***" Neither are respectful, one evokes an appropriate slap in the face though.
Nobody said it was equal, yet it's OK to call someone a redneck or just use that term.

Also if the word...the so called N word is that bad, then everyone should stop using it

Socialite
08-18-2010, 06:54 PM
Nobody said it was equal, yet it's OK to call someone a redneck or just use that term.

Also if the word...the so called N word is that bad, then everyone should stop using it

Well, so far, "redneck" doesn't cause people to get enraged. And it's also a term used quite affectionally, and in humor. I guess if caucasian society decided it was a sensitive word, and that sentiment grew, it would be a hot button. As it is, no one seems concerned. And there's not really any history behind the word, much like there is for the N-word.

OnTheFritz
08-18-2010, 06:55 PM
I love it when "straight talkers", (aka rude, annoying loudmouths) get in hot water. Makes my day whether they are conservatives or liberals.

Praxeas
08-18-2010, 06:55 PM
That little one letter nuance sort of changes the whole word.

Point being, Dr. Laura shouldn't have said it, and she has already publicly apologized and admitted her regret. If we want to insist on the double-standard, go for it, I got your back. More importantly, I strongly encourage the Black Community to quit using it. Many in the BC already feel that way.
I doubt that had she used a Z it would have been ok. It is a double standard. However the point is she was not using the word to be hateful or derogatory. A couple posters posted the word here and nobody blinked..If I quoted a black man using the word on national TV...do you think someone would complain?

If a kid is reading from Tom Sawyer outloud in class does he say "N word" or does he actually say the word? It's gotten so absurd. Race relations in America is not just bad because there are racists but because of people who use race for political clout...which is sometimes exercised by getting a white man fired from his job while allowing another white man to pass because he is a democrat

Praxeas
08-18-2010, 06:57 PM
Well, so far, "redneck" doesn't cause people to get enraged. And it's also a term used quite affectionally, and in humor. I guess if caucasian society decided it was a sensitive word, and that sentiment grew, it would be a hot button. As it is, no one seems concerned. And there's not really any history behind the word, much like there is for the N-word.
You call me a red neck and you can be any color of the rainbow, Im not gonna be happy but Im also not gonna burn down the city.

You USE the word red neck in a sentence not intended to be hateful, as you just did, again I don't care what color you are it would not upset me at all. But it's really NOT about the word...it's about white people using the word even if it's to talk about how bad the word is to blacks...it can never come out of a white persons mouth

Socialite
08-18-2010, 07:02 PM
I doubt that had she used a Z it would have been ok. It is a double standard. However the point is she was not using the word to be hateful or derogatory. A couple posters posted the word here and nobody blinked..If I quoted a black man using the word on national TV...do you think someone would complain?

If a kid is reading from Tom Sawyer outloud in class does he say "N word" or does he actually say the word? It's gotten so absurd. Race relations in America is not just bad because there are racists but because of people who use race for political clout...which is sometimes exercised by getting a white man fired from his job while allowing another white man to pass because he is a democrat

I doubt that had she used a Z it would have been ok.
Forget if it would've been okay, it would've been downright unnatural and awkward. Like watching your mom and dad trying to do the Running Man back in the late 80's. Like seeing your grandpa decide to take up raving on the weekends. Weird...

I think the way she insisted on repeating it carelessly made things worse. I agree with, Dr. Laura, and she regrets saying it. I also see your point that she wasn't saying it with malice -- however, neither was she saying it in any academic fashion. She was repeating it over and over in a rather childish way.

No, no one would complain if a black man said "nigger" -- we know that. It's kind of like the Teeny Bopper code: I can talk about my momma, but when you talk about my momma the gloves are coming off.

This wasn't an incident with Dr. Laura just innocently using the word. I get her intentions were evil and that she's not a racist woman (I don't think she is, don't really know her), but it was in poor taste. Firing her for it? A little harsh.... wait, was she fired or did she resign?

Socialite
08-18-2010, 07:04 PM
You call me a red neck and you can be any color of the rainbow, Im not gonna be happy but Im also not gonna burn down the city.

You USE the word red neck in a sentence not intended to be hateful, as you just did, again I don't care what color you are it would not upset me at all. But it's really NOT about the word...it's about white people using the word even if it's to talk about how bad the word is to blacks...it can never come out of a white persons mouth

Prax, I've never heard that sort of emotional reaction from a white guy being called a redneck. Never. Ever. I lived in Redneck-ville, the Hood and Preppyville.

No, white people, who had one time had exclusive rights to the word, no longer have exclusive rights and it's not considered proper to even use. It's a bad word in our society.

Again............... I AGREE that the word needs to be buried. But I also get how a black person would have more liberty with such a word than a white person.

Praxeas
08-18-2010, 07:09 PM
Prax, I've never heard that sort of emotional reaction from a white guy being called a redneck. Never. Ever. I lived in Redneck-ville, the Hood and Preppyville.

No, white people, who had one time had exclusive rights to the word, no longer have exclusive rights and it's not considered proper to even use. It's a bad word in our society.

Again............... I AGREE that the word needs to be buried. But I also get how a black person would have more liberty with such a word than a white person.
I never attributed an emotional reaction to being called a red neck.

drummerboy_dave
08-18-2010, 07:30 PM
No one got fired that I'm aware of. According to her website, her contract to do the radio program is ending and she has no interest in renewing it, prefering to do other forms of media. Oh, I almost forgot, a couple of her sponsors, one of which is predominately owned by the federal governent, pulled their advertising slots from her show.

Hoovie
08-18-2010, 09:11 PM
To each his own. For some, she speaks their language, for others she rubs the wrong way. Her ideas are great, though, no matter the medium of style.

I have an incredible wife, and she goes on and on about how much of her ideas about marriage were shapped by DL. So I suppose I have some indebted gratitude toward her.

The Proper Care and Feeding of a Husband was the book my wife raves about. I don't complain: i'm property cared for and fed, and in return I like to think I do a pretty decent job keeping her happy.

My experience as well.

Monkeyman
08-18-2010, 10:54 PM
Is she really a doctor??? I want the Lee Stoneking detectives on this case ASAP!!! D.A. Where art thou???!!!! Andale!!!

Redneck = N word...sheeesh, what a crock! How many cross burning/draggings/and hangings done to "Rednecks"...whatever

Maximilian
08-18-2010, 11:06 PM
Is she really a doctor??? I want the Lee Stoneking detectives on this case ASAP!!! D.A. Where art thou???!!!! Andale!!!

Redneck = N word...sheeesh, what a crock! How many cross burning/draggings/and hangings done to "Rednecks"...whatever

Schlessinger received a bachelor's degree from Stony Brook University, and a Ph.D. in physiology from Columbia University in 1974. Her doctoral thesis was on the "Effects of Insulin on 3-0-Methylglucose Transport in Isolated Rat Adipocytes".[7][8] She lectured at UCLA, the University of California, Irvine, and Pepperdine University.

Not Stoneking status.

Many argued she was posturing as a Psychologist when she wasn't by using her "doctoral" title. Others insist she is using a title she earned. Her family experience is not a theory she taught...

Monkeyman
08-18-2010, 11:13 PM
Schlessinger received a bachelor's degree from Stony Brook University, and a Ph.D. in physiology from Columbia University in 1974. Her doctoral thesis was on the "Effects of Insulin on 3-0-Methylglucose Transport in Isolated Rat Adipocytes".[7][8] She lectured at UCLA, the University of California, Irvine, and Pepperdine University.

Not Stoneking status.

Many argued she was posturing as a Psychologist when she wasn't by using her "doctoral" title. Others insist she is using a title she earned. Her family experience is not a theory she taught...Physiology??? Uhhh, I'll wait until I need to know how my spleen works before I call her...as for marriage tips, I'll keep bathing and wearing nice cologne.

Mr. Smith
08-18-2010, 11:28 PM
Physiology??? Uhhh, I'll wait until I need to know how my spleen works before I call her...as for marriage tips, I'll keep bathing and wearing nice cologne.



:ursofunny
You're 100% correct with your "Redneck" word comparison. SO many people are just BEGGING for an excuse to use the n-word. Sickening.

DAII
08-19-2010, 05:09 AM
Dr. Laura was repeatedly flippant with THE word and definitely regretted and self-policed herself by apologizing by even leaving the show early the day of ...

and most definitely agree the word needs to buried among everyone ...

The black community needs to be consistent with how to approach this hate word also ... namely those in the hip-hop/rap crowd .....and stop making arbitrary rules with who can use it among the "white community" or the which context is "correct" ... like the interview in 2008 where 50 cent approves of Eminem saying it around him or guys from "around the way" using the term. (Youtube "50 Cent Approves of Eminem saying "Nigga.")

That said, even Eminem apologized in 2002 or 2003 for using the term in a song ... at age 16. And does not incorporate the word in his lyrics ...but has done songs with other rappers where the word is used.

My boy "Fat Joe" ... a Puerto Rican rapper from NYC uses the word quite frequently with not even a wince ... much less controversy ... but the rules are different it seems for "us" Ricans on the street. Somehow again, seemingly, an inconsistency to many.

There's a bunch of other words that I'd wish would stop being used so flippantly in music .... though "I want to be a billionaire so freakin' bad " is da troof.

Love me some Travie McCoy and Bruno Mars ... nonetheless.

Jermyn Davidson
08-19-2010, 10:27 AM
Oddly enough, I was classifying them as liberal public figures--not just as the black counterparts to Dr. Laura. They are most certainly both VERY liberal in their political views. The fact that they are both black only adds to the accusation of media hypocrisy, and doesn't negate my comparison. :coffee2

Not buying it.

Dr. Laura is no Oprah-- not in the least bit.

Jermyn Davidson
08-19-2010, 10:30 AM
IF she was a black woman would you have still called?

If Dr. Laura was black and she said what she said, I'd find it very distasteful and would have simply turned her off.

I would have probably not received the email from "Media Matters" encouraging me to call her sponsors to express my displeasure.

I probably would just written her off as ignorant and would have not called.

Jermyn Davidson
08-19-2010, 10:31 AM
Does that make it alright to call someone a redneck in a derogatory way?

nope.

Jermyn Davidson
08-19-2010, 10:32 AM
That little one letter nuance sort of changes the whole word.

Point being, Dr. Laura shouldn't have said it, and she has already publicly apologized and admitted her regret. If we want to insist on the double-standard, go for it, I got your back. More importantly, I strongly encourage the Black Community to quit using it. Many in the BC already feel that way.

Including me.

DividedThigh
08-19-2010, 10:52 AM
go jeremyn, you be right bro, i just dont quite agree with you, b ut i respect your vantage point, dt

Jermyn Davidson
08-19-2010, 10:54 AM
go jeremyn, you be right bro, i just dont quite agree with you, b ut i respect your vantage point, dt

thanks bro

MissBrattified
08-19-2010, 01:51 PM
Not buying it.

Dr. Laura is no Oprah-- not in the least bit.

I'm not sure what this post even means--or how it relates to my original point. What exactly aren't you buying? I didn't compare Dr. Laura to Oprah in the sense of popularity. Just a conservative voice vs. a VERY liberal voice.

I used to watch Oprah every afternoon, AND I listened to Dr. Laura every afternoon until our talk radio station stopped playing her show. So to me, it's liberal vs. conservative [female] voice.

Jermyn Davidson
08-19-2010, 02:16 PM
I'm not sure what this post even means--or how it relates to my original point. What exactly aren't you buying? I didn't compare Dr. Laura to Oprah in the sense of popularity. Just a conservative voice vs. a VERY liberal voice.

I used to watch Oprah every afternoon, AND I listened to Dr. Laura every afternoon until our talk radio station stopped playing her show. So to me, it's liberal vs. conservative [female] voice.

I misunderstood. I apologize.

Praxeas
08-19-2010, 03:13 PM
If Dr. Laura was black and she said what she said, I'd find it very distasteful and would have simply turned her off.

I would have probably not received the email from "Media Matters" encouraging me to call her sponsors to express my displeasure.

I probably would just written her off as ignorant and would have not called.
Why?

Socialite
08-19-2010, 04:08 PM
I'm not sure what this post even means--or how it relates to my original point. What exactly aren't you buying? I didn't compare Dr. Laura to Oprah in the sense of popularity. Just a conservative voice vs. a VERY liberal voice.

I used to watch Oprah every afternoon, AND I listened to Dr. Laura every afternoon until our talk radio station stopped playing her show. So to me, it's liberal vs. conservative [female] voice.

Except in matters of race (ironically this is what we are talking about), it's white woman vs. black woman... I mean, if we are contrasting here :)

coadie
08-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Physiology??? Uhhh, I'll wait until I need to know how my spleen works before I call her...as for marriage tips, I'll keep bathing and wearing nice cologne.

10 Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives
I have given this book to young women that have "relationship issues"
She expells some myths very nicely. It is well written for an audience that doesn't track with subtle or indirect instruction.

MissBrattified
08-19-2010, 04:47 PM
Except in matters of race (ironically this is what we are talking about), it's white woman vs. black woman... I mean, if we are contrasting here :)

I realize that. I'm just saying that I wasn't consciously making that distinction. Oprah Winfrey and Jesse Jackson are two of the loudest liberal voices out there, especially in regard to matters of race.

If I was just trying to think of black people to compare to Dr. Laura, then I might have said "If Condoleeza Rice" had said the same thing, the media would have been kinder[because she's black]. No, they would still have ripped her to shreds, because despite being black, she's a conservative.

Socialite
08-19-2010, 04:56 PM
I realize that. I'm just saying that I wasn't consciously making that distinction. Oprah Winfrey and Jesse Jackson are two of the loudest liberal voices out there, especially in regard to matters of race.

If I was just trying to think of black people to compare to Dr. Laura, then I might have said "If Condoleeza Rice" had said the same thing, the media would have been kinder[because she's black]. No, they would still have ripped her to shreds, because despite being black, she's a conservative.

I'm not so sure Condie would have gotten the same reaction that Dr. Laura got... nor would she have been provoked about the word by a caller... nor would she have threw a fit, raising her voice, saying the word over and over and over... lot's of speculation on both our parts, but I just happen to think her race gives her a little leverage.

MissBrattified
08-19-2010, 08:24 PM
Socialite:

I don't think Dr. Laura exercised good judgment. However, the question on this thread is whether or not we think the media has treated her fairly. :) Since she didn't *call" any person or group the *n* word, then my answer is no--they aren't treating her fairly. It was a reference to the word being used in media--and an accurate reference at that. It really was her reaction to the caller that was in poor taste--moreso IMO than the use of the word itself.

IMO, she is being unfairly attacked because she's a conservative, and possibly, secondarily, because she's white--although I'm not as convinced about the latter motive. :blink

Michael
08-19-2010, 08:45 PM
I realize that. I'm just saying that I wasn't consciously making that distinction. Oprah Winfrey and Jesse Jackson are two of the loudest liberal voices out there, especially in regard to matters of race.

If I was just trying to think of black people to compare to Dr. Laura, then I might have said "If Condoleeza Rice" had said the same thing, the media would have been kinder[because she's black]. No, they would still have ripped her to shreds, because despite being black, she's a conservative.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Michael
08-19-2010, 08:56 PM
I grew up in a black "hood" and I used that word almost everyday as a kid, with other black people, I do see a double standard....Mainly from white libs in the media....Why are they not raising they're voices against the new black panthar party?? They have video's of their chapter leader in Philly saying "You're gonna have to kill some crackers, and kill they're babies too."
But you wont hear cnn cover that or msnbc....DL made a good point, her mistake was her method...She didn't have to repete it over and over again.

Monkeyman
08-20-2010, 06:03 AM
10 Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives
I have given this book to young women that have "relationship issues"
She expells some myths very nicely. It is well written for an audience that doesn't track with subtle or indirect instruction.And your point is??? I couldn't care less about what this woman has to say. The fact that she had an affair, took nekkid pics of herself during that time with the other guy kinda steers me in the opposite direction.

As far as the "N" word, I have a different POV then you guys and we'll never agree...my point is that the black community had ownership of the word and can use it however they like. It was purchased by them...the price was hundreds of years of being bought & sold like cattle, abused, hung, raped, castrated, lynch mob public murders, burnings, draggings, men of the cloth saying they were second class citizens, Christian people owning them, needing to use different bathrooms, restaurants, & hotels, unable to attend schools...it's their word now, they can do what they want with it. Bmit that's just "my" opinion and I have a right to it.

Digging4Truth
08-20-2010, 06:30 AM
And your point is??? I couldn't care less about what this woman has to say. The fact that she had an affair, took nekkid pics of herself during that time with the other guy kinda steers me in the opposite direction.

As far as the "N" word, I have a different POV then you guys and we'll never agree...my point is that the black community had ownership of the word and can use it however they like. It was purchased by them...the price was hundreds of years of being bought & sold like cattle, abused, hung, raped, castrated, lynch mob public murders, burnings, draggings, men of the cloth saying they were second class citizens, Christian people owning them, needing to use different bathrooms, restaurants, & hotels, unable to attend schools...it's their word now, they can do what they want with it. Bmit that's just "my" opinion and I have a right to it.

Hundreds of years? How about thousands. How about all races. How about the fact that slavery and indentured servitude have been the way of life since the beginning of time to the point that instruction is given in the word of God on being a good slave.

How about the fact that the generation in time (1840's to 1880's) when mankind finally evolved beyond the concept that other humans (of all races) are not our own property on a worldwide basis is the generation now most reviled for what has been the norm for thousands of years.

Yes there was upheaval. Yes there was conflict. Yes there was death. Yes there was mistreatment. Yes there were atrocities. These things are part and parcel to a major event in the evolution of mankind's thinking. These monumental types of changes don't come quickly or easily. But they are worth the fight. A concept that was the norm and beyond question for most of our time on this earth was coming under scrutiny world wide because we, as a species, were reaching a higher plane of living.

But it always amazes me that the generation that DID say "no more"... The generation did DID say this is no longer acceptable... is viewed as if they were the only generation that ever kept slaves when, in reality, they were the last generation and this is so because they forced through the turmoil that is evolution of thinking and change and they said... I don't care what history says... our brethren are not our property. And for that action they will forever be maligned.

The history books should not fail to tell of the lynchings... the draggings... all of the terrible things that went on during this time in our human history. But when the chapter is closed the history books should say... "But we did it". Together mankind moved beyond the concept of slavery and owning one another. It was a hard road but we persevered together and what was once an every day occurrence is no longer a part of our mainstream life. The history books should say...

"There were those who did not want this change but the common voice of man won out. There were those who fought it and did terrible things to maintain the ownership of our own brethren but no matter how hard the battle was the goal was clear and nothing short of victory would be had. As a nation, as a race, as one world we gave a generation of our time, blood, efforts, money & lives to bring an end to slavery. Mankind had seen it's best day come to being"

But the history books don't end like that. They end at the atrocities as if they had nothing to do with the change that was taking place. The history books act like the atrocities have nothing to do with the largest, most wonderful, most amazing accomplishment mankind has every had the wherewithal to bring ourselves to fulfill. It was a hard time. It was a terrible time. But, when it was all said and done, it was our shining moment as a species but that shining moment will forever be viewed as the lowest point in human history.

Monkeyman
08-20-2010, 07:14 AM
Yup, I've heard you say before that they should get over it, you're much more eloquent this time:)

Digging4Truth
08-20-2010, 07:33 AM
Yup, I've heard you say before that they should get over it, you're much more eloquent this time:)

As were you with your 5 word summary of what I had to say although it isn't the message I was attempting to convey. But it seems it is always the basic boil down of it and I just don't understand why.