Mohammed wasn't a good man, Hubal isn't our God

[Apocrypha]

Mohammed was a demon possessed narcissist who killed a entire innocent tribe of Jews, had his warriors use them as sex slaves, and sold their children into slavery after they signed a peace treaty with him.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/08/fitzgerald-the-quran-and-higher-criticism.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm

Please don't bring Mohammed into this forum as anything other than a false messiah who twisted Christian and Jewish teachings with his tribes belief in the moon God Hubal who was worshiped in the Kaba along with the rock that Muslims face several times a day in Mecca.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god-hubal.htm


This is for any Muslims who want to mix it up with us on here. Feel free to defend your religion that teaches that Ishmael was the inheritor of Abraham instead of Isaac, Jacob and Joseph who God claims as his own in scriptures.

[RandyWayne]

This is why I particularly enjoyed "Everybody draw Mohammed day!" on Facebook.

[OneEyedFatMan]

This is why I particularly enjoyed "Everybody draw Mohammed day!" on Facebook.
Whoa, I missed that. To comfort the obsessed Mo is dead, he didn't get up.

[Walks_in_islam]

(laughing) Well if that stuff is on the internet it must be true!

Mohammed was a demon possessed narcissist who killed a entire innocent tribe of Jews, had his warriors use them as sex slaves, and sold their children into slavery after they signed a peace treaty with him.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/08/fitzgerald-the-quran-and-higher-criticism.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm

Please don't bring Mohammed into this forum as anything other than a false messiah who twisted Christian and Jewish teachings with his tribes belief in the moon God Hubal who was worshiped in the Kaba along with the rock that Muslims face several times a day in Mecca.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god-hubal.htm


This is for any Muslims who want to mix it up with us on here. Feel free to defend your religion that teaches that Ishmael was the inheritor of Abraham instead of Isaac, Jacob and Joseph who God claims as his own in scriptures.

[Dedicated Mind]

(laughing) Well if that stuff is on the internet it must be true!

walks in islam, what proof do you have that islam is true? what witness is there to islam? Christians receive the holy spirit and speak in tongues as a personal witness to the validity of christianity. what witness does Islam have?

[Praxeas]

What is Hubal?

[Mr. Smith]

walks in islam, what proof do you have that islam is true? what witness is there to islam? Christians receive the holy spirit and speak in tongues as a personal witness to the validity of christianity. what witness does Islam have?


I hate to derail such a wonderful thread, but are you saying that people who don't speak in tongues aren't Christians? That's what I'm reading.

[Dedicated Mind]

I hate to derail such a wonderful thread, but are you saying that people who don't speak in tongues aren't Christians? That's what I'm reading.

they may be christians but they haven't been born again.

[Mr. Smith]

they may be christians but they haven't been born again.


So it's possible to be a Christian without being born again? So you're saying one can be a "Christian" without experiencing a spiritual birth. Interesting.

[coadie]

I hate to derail such a wonderful thread, but are you saying that people who don't speak in tongues aren't Christians? That's what I'm reading.

It appears you claim this is not true.
Can you prove it with scripture?

Christians receive the holy spirit and speak in tongues as a personal witness to the validity of christianity. what witness does Islam have?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Wide road christians have a different plan.

[Mr. Smith]

It appears you claim this is not true.
Can you prove it with scripture?



5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Wide road christians have a different plan.


Did somebody rattle your cage again? I'm talking to Dedicated Obama Mind.

[coadie]

Did somebody rattle your cage again? I'm talking to Dedicated Obama Mind.

The words Jesus spoke to Nicodemus bother you?

Are you born again?

By the way, all orthodox Musllims say Allah had no son.

[coadie]

Mohamad was nasty.

PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS A HIGHWAY ROBBER !!!

Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them

The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. Mohammed cried, "Anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. Muslims looted all the gold and valuables without any shame.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/layout/set/print/Headlines/Remembering-the-first-Ramadan-as-a-month-of-fasting

[Mr. Smith]

The words Jesus spoke to Nicodemus bother you?

Are you born again?

By the way, all orthodox Musllims say Allah had no son.


This is a pointless, completely worn out argument and I'm not jumping in. You're so wrong it's pathetic so why bother. I'm absolutely born again and no, I haven't spoken in tongues.

Now, back to Dedicated Obama Mind.

[Apocrypha]

What is Hubal?

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.

[coadie]

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.

That creates 2 problems. Mohammad put all kinds of wickedness as a curse on any one that tampered with his manifesto. If Muslims follow the corrupted version where this is taken out, Mohammad says they must be cursed,


Sura 3. 61 translated by Shakir
"But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars."
There are seven Qurans.
http://www.thespiritofislam.com/text/Q11.html

[Praxeas]

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.
Ok, but consider that Allah is also the Arabic word for "God", just as Elohim is for God in our bible. Elohim derives from the heathenistic semitic cultures that Abraham lived in before he was called to follow The one True Elohim.

Yes I understand and know about pre-islamic religion. In fact they were into goddess worship as well (you can see this in the Kaaba too), but supposedly Muhammed denouced all that to follow the One true Allah or God. The same God as the Jews, though the Jews were misguided in their view.

Im not an apologist for Muhammed or the Koran but I don't think it's a great argument that the they worshipped the Moon god before Muhammed supposedly got his revelations

[coadie]

This is a pointless, completely worn out argument and I'm not jumping in. You're so wrong it's pathetic so why bother. I'm absolutely born again and no, I haven't spoken in tongues.

Now, back to Dedicated Obama Mind.

Hmmmmm

[coadie]

This is a pointless, completely worn out argument and I'm not jumping in. You're so wrong it's pathetic so why bother. I'm absolutely born again and no, I haven't spoken in tongues.

Now, back to Dedicated Obama Mind.

Prove the error.

[coadie]

Ok, but consider that Allah is also the Arabic word for "God", just as Elohim is for God in our bible. Elohim derives from the heathenistic semitic cultures that Abraham lived in before he was called to follow The one True Elohim.
Yes I understand and know about pre-islamic religion. In fact they were into goddess worship as well (you can see this in the Kaaba too), but supposedly Muhammed denouced all that to follow the One true Allah or God. The same God as the Jews, though the Jews were misguided in their view.

Im not an apologist for Muhammed or the Koran but I don't think it's a great argument that the they worshipped the Moon god before Muhammed supposedly got his revelations

My Uncle ran a school and mission for Arabic Muslims since the 50's. In africa, the Muslims remain in saying the god of Abraham was their god. Then immediately they claim that this god never spoke to Abraham and said "God will provide Himself a sacrifice not do they admit the call to offer Isaac.

(2) The Quran never said that God told Abraham to kill (sacrifice) his son. Instead, the Quran teaches us that Abraham had a dream in which he saw himself slaughtering his son. Abraham believed the dream and thought that the dream was from God (The Quran never said the dream was from God). The choice of the wording in the Quran is crucial. No word was chosen by accident or out of control. Every word and expression was deliberately chosen by God.

(5) Because Abraham thought the dream was from God and he proceeded to sacrifice his son Ismail, God sent him the lamb to be sacrificed instead, and to save the son, and the father-son sacred relationship


The Quran's account

[37:102] When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."
[37:103] They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).
[37:104] We called him: "O Abraham.
[37:105] "You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.
[37:106] That was an exacting test indeed.
[37:107] We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.
[37:108] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.
[37:109] Peace be upon Abraham.
[37:110] We thus reward the righteous.
[37:111] He is one of our believing servants.
Bible

Take now thy son, thy only [son] Isaac

[Dedicated Mind]

This is a pointless, completely worn out argument and I'm not jumping in. You're so wrong it's pathetic so why bother. I'm absolutely born again and no, I haven't spoken in tongues.

Now, back to Dedicated Obama Mind.

Mr. Smith, I have family members who are christian who have not spoken in tongues, so I am not judging you. The bible says in romans 8(I think) he who has not the spirit of God is none of his. That means we are baptized into his body by one spirit. If you believe that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the spirit as the upc does and I'm sure you can find many threads on the subject, then you can firmly state that someone who has not spoken in tongues has not received the spirit or been baptized into his body by being born again of water and spirit.

[Mr. Smith]

Mr. Smith, I have family members who are christian who have not spoken in tongues, so I am not judging you. The bible says in romans 8(I think) he who has not the spirit of God is none of his. That means we are baptized into his body by one spirit. If you believe that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the spirit as the upc does and I'm sure you can find many threads on the subject, then you can firmly state that someone who has not spoken in tongues has not received the spirit or been baptized into his body by being born again of water and spirit.


But I firmly believe that one is filled with the Spirit at belief in one's heart and confession with one's mouth. There are multiple places in which I believe scripture teaches this.

I'm bringing this up because part of your refuting of the Muslim faith is that a "Christian speaks in tongues", thus making it appear as though ALL Christians speak in tongues. I would assume you know this, but Christianity isn't the only religion that claims tongues.

[coadie]

But I firmly believe that one is filled with the Spirit at belief in one's heart and confession with one's mouth. There are multiple places in which I believe scripture teaches this.

I'm bringing this up because part of your refuting of the Muslim faith is that a "Christian speaks in tongues", thus making it appear as though ALL Christians speak in tongues. I would assume you know this, but Christianity isn't the only religion that claims tongues.


Please use scripture.
A lot of people claim the are spirit filled. Millions claim to be Christians that aren't




Acts 19: is clear.

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.



1 Corinthians 12:3
No one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit

The bible tells us what Holy Ghost filled looks like.

Mohamad was the opposite. The gifts of the spirit include discernement.

Mohamad is another heathen that wanted to peddle a false religion.


Revelation 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The Muslims will increase their attacks on born again believers.

[Mr. Smith]

Please use scripture.
A lot of people claim the are spirit filled. Millions claim to be Christians that aren't




Acts 19: is clear.

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.



1 Corinthians 12:3
No one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit

The bible tells us what Holy Ghost filled looks like.

Mohamad was the opposite. The gifts of the spirit include discernement.

Mohamad is another heathen that wanted to peddle a false religion.


Revelation 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The Muslims will increase their attacks on born again believers.


Great verses, thank you for copying and pasting. I agree with all of them.

[coadie]

Great verses, thank you for copying and pasting. I agree with all of them.

When people have not spoken in tongues, they do not really know what the Holy Ghost is.

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Tomorrrow someone in church will recieve the Holy Ghost. When I lay hands on them and pray for them. It is common for me to see someone and know they will be filled even before the preaching stops.
Sometimes they get a deliverance the same time the Holy Ghost fills them.

[Mr. Smith]

When people have not spoken in tongues, they do not really know what the Holy Ghost is.



Tomorrrow someone in church will recieve the Holy Ghost. When I lay hands on them and pray for them. It is common for me to see someone and know they will be filled even before the preaching stops.
Sometimes they get a deliverance the same time the Holy Ghost fills them.


Statement #1) Moronic. Completely ridiculous.

Statement #2) Wow, you're really something. All praise and glory to Coadie and none to Jesus.

[james34]

Statement #1) Moronic. Completely ridiculous.

Statement #2) Wow, you're really something. All praise and glory to Coadie and none to Jesus.

Mr.smith are you in support of christianity.

[Mr. Smith]

Mr.smith are you in support of christianity.



Stupid question with an obvious answer.

[Dedicated Mind]

Mr Smith there are apostolics who believe that one receives the spirit at repentance and confession while the vast majority believe that one receives the spirit when one speaks in tongues. The latter are called 3 steppers because we believe one must repent, be water baptized in jesus name and be spirit baptized speaking in tongues in order to be born again of water and spirit according to john 3. Are you even apostolic? You would have known this. Can you give scriptures for spirit baptism at repentance?

[james34]

Mr.smith are you in support of christianity.

okey,thats not very christ like,so r u saying no

[james34]

Stupid question with an obvious answer.

evidence is in.

[coadie]

okey,thats not very christ like,so r u saying no

Originally Posted by james34
Mr.smith are you in support of christianity.

It Christians oppose the Mosque, Ground Zero community center, it appears Smith can't side with Christians.

[Mr. Smith]

evidence is in.



And herein lies the problem. If a person has an opposite view of those in the phariseeical section of the room, their entire faith in God becomes questioned. It can't just be a civil discussion about a differing of opinion, the differing view is subjected to having his Christianity questioned.

I won't answer your self-righteous, pious, phariseeical, holier-than-thou, question. See me however you like.

[Dedicated Mind]

Mr Smith there are apostolics who believe that one receives the spirit at repentance and confession while the vast majority believe that one receives the spirit when one speaks in tongues. The latter are called 3 steppers because we believe one must repent, be water baptized in jesus name and be spirit baptized speaking in tongues in order to be born again of water and spirit according to john 3. Are you even apostolic? You would have known this. Can you give scriptures for spirit baptism at repentance?

Bump for Mr Smith

[coadie]

And herein lies the problem. If a person has an opposite view of those in the phariseeical section of the room, their entire faith in God becomes questioned. It can't just be a civil discussion about a differing of opinion, the differing view is subjected to having his Christianity questioned.

I won't answer your self-righteous, pious, phariseeical, holier-than-thou, question. See me however you like.

You write like a pharisee. You used four 4 judgmental words in one sentence.. The previous record was 3.