Do Fulfilled Eschatologists believe in hell?

[berkeley]

Fulfilled eschatologist, do you believe in hell? If so, WHEN are the devil and his angels going to the place prepared for them?

[DAII]

Great question ... was pondering this very question the other day.

[DAII]

Unless they believe this has been done already. Meaning we don't struggle against flesh and blood ... nor demons ... etc.

Or is it all metaphorical?

[berkeley]

Unless they believe this has been done already. Meaning we don't struggle against flesh and blood ... nor demons ... etc.

Or is it all metaphorical?

I was originally going to title the thread "Is hell a metaphor?" I know fulfilled eschatologists/full pret that believe in hell... they cast out devils. :) I have incorporated some elements of preterism/fulfilled eschatology into my articles of faith. :toofunny Anyway, I'd like to know wot their take is on this. I'm too lazy to start a thread asking them about the separation of goats to the left, and sheep to the right. :)

[mfblume]

Be it known that partial preterism DOES believe in hell. Some confuse partial preterism with fulfilled eschatology, and this disclaimer must be made known.

:D

[berkeley]

Be it known that partial preterism DOES believe in hell. Some confuse partial preterism with fulfilled eschatology, and this disclaimer must be made known.

:D

Ya, I know. I'm somewhere near wot you believe.

[Aquila]

My future feels uncertain. I need to see my eschatologist. ;)

[berkeley]

My future feels uncertain. I need to see my eschatologist. ;)

:toofunny

[seekerman]

I keep on asking.....WHICH hell????

[berkeley]

I keep on asking.....WHICH hell????

Wot?

[TGBTG]

I keep on asking.....WHICH hell????

I could be wrong, but I think Berkley is refering to this hell

Mark 9
(43)And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (44) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. (45) And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (46) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. (47) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: (48) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[seekerman]

I could be wrong, but I think Berkley is refering to this hell

Mark 9
(43)And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (44) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. (45) And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (46) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. (47) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: (48) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Ok, thanks. Just wondering which hell was being referenced.

Sounds like the fire that's still burning after a few thousand years somewhere over in the Israel area....

Eze 20:45 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 46 Son of man, set thy face toward the south, and drop thy word toward the south, and prophesy against the forest of the south field; 47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein. 48 And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched.

I'd think the unquenchable fire that's been burning for so long would be a tourist attraction and on the itinerary for the Holy Land tours. A fire that's a few thousand years old would be quite a sight, IMO.

[seekerman]

Wot?

There's more than one hell spoken of in the bible. In the New Testament there's "hades", "gehenna" and "tartarus".

[TGBTG]

Ok, thanks. Just wondering which hell was being referenced.

Sounds like the fire that's still burning after a few thousand years somewhere over in the Israel area....

Eze 20:45 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 46 Son of man, set thy face toward the south, and drop thy word toward the south, and prophesy against the forest of the south field; 47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein. 48 And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched.

I'd think the unquenchable fire that's been burning for so long would be a tourist attraction and on the itinerary for the Holy Land tours. A fire that's a few thousand years old would be quite a site, IMO>

Seekerman, I think you should probably wait for Berkley to mention the hell he is refering to instead of responding based on the scripture I gave. Just sayin'

[seekerman]

Oh, and my answer is no, I don't believe in God's torture chamber...i.e., 'hell'.

[seekerman]

Seekerman, I think you should probably wait for Berkley to mention the hell he is refering to instead of responding based on the scripture I gave. Just sayin'

I'll wait and see if he's asking about the hell you referenced. I'd guess probably so....that's the most popular hell within Christianity.

[berkeley]

THIS ONE:
Matthew 25:40-42 (King James Version)

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

[berkeley]

Luke 12:4-6 (King James Version)

4And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

5But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

[berkeley]

2 Peter 2:4 (King James Version)

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

[berkeley]

There's more than one hell spoken of in the bible. In the New Testament there's "hades", "gehenna" and "tartarus".

Hades/Sheol is the grave, right? I believe that in the N.T. the ref to Gehenna is a metaphor for Tartarus. JMO.

[seekerman]

Hades/Sheol is the grave, right? I believe that in the N.T. the ref to Gehenna is a metaphor for Tartarus. JMO.

Yes, as I understand it sheol/hades are one and the same, the grave.

Gehenna is a word picture for the burning tormenting part of God's torture chamber. Apparently it's still burning today and has been for 2000+ years.

Tartarus is referring to the bottomless pit or abyss, whatever that is, but says nothing about burning, just a less than desirable place in which to dwell. Seems that only fallen angels has a reservation to the exclusive club which meets there though.

[berkeley]

Yes, as I understand it sheol/hades are one and the same, the grave.

Gehenna is a word picture for the burning tormenting part of God's torture chamber. Apparently it's still burning today and has been for 2000+ years.

Tartarus is referring to the bottomless pit or abyss, whatever that is, but says nothing about burning, just a less than desirable place in which to dwell. Seems that only fallen angels has a reservation to the exclusive club which meets there though.

So you're saying (and I agree) that the hell that burns with fire is a new testament concept?

[berkeley]

Maybe it is all a metaphor... but that as not the question at the start of the thread.

Do fulfilled eschatologists/full preterists believe in hell? And when will the devil and his angels be escorted there, the place prepared for them?

[seekerman]

So you're saying (and I agree) that the hell that burns with fire is a new testament concept?

Yep.

[seekerman]

Maybe it is all a metaphor... but that as not the question at the start of the thread.

Do fulfilled eschatologists/full preterists believe in hell? And when will the devil and his angels be escorted there, the place prepared for them?

I'm a full preterist, universalist....if such a thing is possible. I don't believe in any sort of a torture chamber created by God for anyone, including the fallen angels....whatever they were.

[coadie]

I keep on asking.....WHICH hell????

More than one hell. Hell is different based on when.

[Digging4Truth]

I have not decided there is not a hell.

But it is interesting that Brother Blume asserts emphatically that he believes in a hell while the first time I ever considered anything other than an absolute belief in a literal hell was after reading his book.

I'm not making any type of statement that Brother Blume is being anything other than completely straight with his comment. I am just saying that it was in reading his book that a thought process other than that began to make it's way through my mind.

[berkeley]

More than one hell. Hell is different based on when.

In the Bible hades/sheol refers to the grave. Gehenna is a firey place, a metaphor. "Valley of Hinnon", which was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. It was a place where people burned their garbage and thus there was always a fire burning there. Bodies of those deemed to have died in sin without hope of salvation (such as people who committed suicide) were thrown there to be destroyed
Tartarus is the place where the fallen angels go. No fire there.

[Digging4Truth]

In the Bible hades/sheol refers to the grave. Gehenna is a firey place, a metaphor.
Tartarus is the place where the fallen angels go. No fire there.

If you don't mind me asking... what would, then, happen to unsaved souls?

[berkeley]

If you don't mind me asking... what would, then, happen to unsaved souls?
IDK. I haven't thougth it all out... Jesus links fire with tartarus.

Matthew 25:41 (King James Version)

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


Ponder, is it a real fire. Anyway... still not the intent of this thread.

Guess all the full preterists were UCons. Nobody here to aswer: If all things are fulfilled, when did/will the devil and his angels go to hell?

[DAII]

I think the major question is being ignored ... we are all pretty versed on Gehenna, Sheol, Hades... et al.

Under fulfilled eschatology, WHEN are the devil and his angels going to the place prepared for them?

You know the fiery lake in Revelation?



Was this done ... going to be done?

Metaphorical?

Has the enemy of our souls been ultimately dealt with and defeated? Or does he live eternally as the accuser of the saints?

[berkeley]

I think the major question is being ignored ... we are all pretty versed on Gehenna, Sheol, Hades... et al.

Under fulfilled eschatology, WHEN are the devil and his angels going to the place prepared for them?

You know the fiery lake in Revelation?



Was this done ... going to be done?

Metaphorical?

Has the enemy of our souls been ultimately dealt with and defeated? Or does he live eternally as the accuser of the saints?

thank you

[Digging4Truth]

IDK. I haven't thougth it all out... Jesus links fire with tartarus.

Matthew 25:41 (King James Version)

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


Ponder, is it a real fire. Anyway... still not the intent of this thread.

Guess all the full preterists were UCons. Nobody here to aswer: If all things are fulfilled, when did/will the devil and his angels go to hell?

Yep... that's what the answer is waiting on... an FP to show up and share their thoughts. I might try to rouse one out of hiding.

[seekerman]

Has the enemy of our souls been ultimately dealt with and defeated? Or does he live eternally as the accuser of the saints?

A very interesting question and I hate responding to a question with a question, but....if Jesus didn't defeat the last enemy 2000 years ago what exactly did He defeat?

[mfblume]

Having long discussed this issue with full preterists (fulfilled eschatologists) I personally feel they err and yet have SOME good points, though misconstrued to a degree, as follows.

Heb 2:14 says that Jesus fully destroyed the devil. Some full preterists believe the devil was thrown into the lake of fire forever in AD70, since they believe Rev 20:10 was fulfilled by AD70, which includes the great white throne judgment. Others, especially those on this forum, believe the devil still hangs around, but is defeated as defeated can be in regards to Christians.

The point they lack, I believe, is that Adam brought Satan's influence over ALL mankind and the earth in his transgression. And full preterism disallows Christ from fully removing that influence altogether, and leaving the devil to wreak havoc amongst sinners. Since Adam started the existence of SINNERS in the earth, I believe Christ undoes this by fully removing sinners from existence in the yet-future white throne judgment. Sin, satan and sinners are REMOVED and placed into the lake of fire never more to so much influence ANYONE in the earth after this point. To me, THAT is true victory. Not that the cross did not prove true victory. This was all supplied by the cross. The final and absolute removal of the devil from the earth is simply one of the last rippling effects through time of the cross.

The fact is the Lord takes advantage of the devil's present existence in the world today as His "convenient agent" for some things. Grappling with the devil matures us.

If the work of the cross did not involve an absolute and final removal of satan from the earth, then the cross is not as powerful as Adam's transgression while Paul stated the cross' influence was "MUCH MORE" powerful (Romans 5).

Full preterists see satan, sin and sinners continuing on in the earth forevermore. The meek never really inherit the earth, and there is no removal of wickedness.

[Revelationist]

Fulfilled eschatologist, do you believe in hell? If so, WHEN are the devil and his angels going to the place prepared for them?


All fulfilled eschatologist believe in hell. But some don't believe in the pagan verson that the Catholic Church started to scare people into living for God, and formost, paying the Cathlic Church money to keep them out of it.

[Truthseeker]

All fulfilled eschatologist believe in hell. But some don't believe in the pagan verson that the Catholic Church started to scare people into living for God, and formost, paying the Cathlic Church money to keep them out of it.

But that doesn't answer the question of this thread.

[SRM]

But that doesn't answer the question of this thread.

Re: Do Fulfilled Eshatologists believe in hell?

Maybe I am blind..but THAT is the question..

I would concur with Jerry Moon..there is still a hell..just not the firey one that has been taught by most pulpits..

[Revelationist]

Fulfilled eschatologist, do you believe in hell? If so, WHEN are the devil and his angels going to the place prepared for them?

Here's the first post again... Notice, the first question is do you believe in hell?

I believe I did answer that... and yes, it was asked...

[crakjak]

Having long discussed this issue with full preterists (fulfilled eschatologists) I personally feel they err and yet have SOME good points, though misconstrued to a degree, as follows.

Heb 2:14 says that Jesus fully destroyed the devil. Some full preterists believe the devil was thrown into the lake of fire forever in AD70, since they believe Rev 20:10 was fulfilled by AD70, which includes the great white throne judgment. Others, especially those on this forum, believe the devil still hangs around, but is defeated as defeated can be in regards to Christians.

The point they lack, I believe, is that Adam brought Satan's influence over ALL mankind and the earth in his transgression. And full preterism disallows Christ from fully removing that influence altogether, and leaving the devil to wreak havoc amongst sinners. Since Adam started the existence of SINNERS in the earth, I believe Christ undoes this by fully removing sinners from existence in the yet-future white throne judgment. Sin, satan and sinners are REMOVED and placed into the lake of fire never more to so much influence ANYONE in the earth after this point. To me, THAT is true victory. Not that the cross did not prove true victory. This was all supplied by the cross. The final and absolute removal of the devil from the earth is simply one of the last rippling effects through time of the cross.

The fact is the Lord takes advantage of the devil's present existence in the world today as His "convenient agent" for some things. Grappling with the devil matures us.

If the work of the cross did not involve an absolute and final removal of satan from the earth, then the cross is not as powerful as Adam's transgression while Paul stated the cross' influence was "MUCH MORE" powerful (Romans 5).

Full preterists see satan, sin and sinners continuing on in the earth forevermore. The meek never really inherit the earth, and there is no removal of wickedness.

If you could just see that God will remove the evil from the earth, and from His creation and without frying his highest creation to a crisp, we would be pretty much together on these things!! :thumbsup LOL

[mfblume]

If you could just see that God will remove the evil from the earth, and from His creation and without frying his highest creation to a crisp, we would be pretty much together on these things!! :thumbsup LOL

I can only go by what the bible plainly states. :D

[Truthseeker]

Here's the first post again... Notice, the first question is do you believe in hell?

I believe I did answer that... and yes, it was asked...

Both questions were given as connected questions "if so" . I'm cuious of your answeer to the second one.

[mfblume]

Something we must understand about varying interpretations of the bible is that everything in the bible is claimed to be adhered to by every belief system. It's a matter of how these things are interpreted, though. Every biblical belief claims they believe everything the bible says. But it is not so much what the bible says, as much as it is what people THINK the bible means by what it says, that is the issue. So Fulfilled Eschatologists believe in hell. But what does any given doctrinal adherent believe in comparison to what every other person believes?

They believe in resurrection, hell, the white throne judgment and the second coming of Jesus, although they may not agree with what others think those things actually mean or involve.

Someone once said the problem is not so much what was said, but what ONE THINKS was said. We can apply that to the Bible.

[Revelationist]

When you go back and see the words hell is translated from, it's hard to get the hell that Greek Mytholigy teaches. Hades, means the place of the dead, or the unknown, Sheol means the grave, and gehona was a garbage dump outside the City. When you go back to these greek words, it's hard to get the hell that most people hear about out of these words...

[Truthseeker]

Bro Moon'


How do you answer the question about the devil/angels going to hell prepared for them??

[DAII]

Are the Full preterists dodging this last question ....?????

[Revelationist]

Bro Moon'


How do you answer the question about the devil/angels going to hell prepared for them??

In the Old Testiment, hell was used to represent judgment being brought against Isreal or a nation. The same stands true for the New Testiment.

Deut 32:22

22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.


KJV

This was simply talking about judgement.

[Truthseeker]

In the Old Testiment, hell was used to represent judgment being brought against Isreal or a nation. The same stands true for the New Testiment.

Deut 32:22

22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.


KJV

This was simply talking about judgement.

How does this relate to the devil and his angels being tossed into it??

[Revelationist]

I think that with a little study, you'll find that the real Devil's were the Old Covenant Jews. When judgement come upon them, they were cast into hell. Or destroyed. The little guy with a pointed tail and a red suite sporting a pichfork also comes from paganism.

[shag]

I think that with a little study, you'll find that the real Devil's were the Old Covenant Jews. When judgement come upon them, they were cast into hell. Or destroyed. The little guy with a pointed tail and a red suite sporting a pichfork also comes from paganism.



I think he means what about Lucipher, Rev.
U do believe there atleast "was" a real Lucipher, whom was referred to as THE devil, don't you?

[Revelationist]

I think he means what about Lucipher, Rev.
U do believe there atleast "was" a real Lucipher, whom was referred to as THE devil, don't you?

Isa 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
KJV

The word Lucifer is only found one time in the whole Bible. If you'll read the whole chapter, you'll find that Isaiah is talking to King Nebercanezer and just like Jesus tells Peter to get thee behind me satan, Isaiah is simply telling King Nebercanezer that he is going to be thrown out of his high place.

[Truthseeker]

I think that with a little study, you'll find that the real Devil's were the Old Covenant Jews. When judgement come upon them, they were cast into hell. Or destroyed. The little guy with a pointed tail and a red suite sporting a pichfork also comes from paganism.

So do you believe in actual demons today?

[DAII]

I think that with a little study, you'll find that the real Devil's were the Old Covenant Jews. When judgement come upon them, they were cast into hell. Or destroyed. The little guy with a pointed tail and a red suite sporting a pichfork also comes from paganism.

That's just a big gaping hole ... you got there.

[berkeley]

I'm pretty far from orthodox, but wow!

[Revelationist]

So do you believe in actual demons today?


I believe in spirits, but the only devils I've ever come across were people. Never had any trouble with a little Red Guy with a Pointed Tail.

[mfblume]

I've cast out enough actual demons in Jesus' name for me to know there are devils and demons in the world, aside from people. Revelationist, are you saying there are no demon spirits to cast out any more since they do not exist in the world as in the following?:

Act 16:16-18 KJV And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: (17) The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. (18) And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


Do you believe satan exists and is in the world today and is an actual spirit? No one said anything about a red suited dude with a pitch fork.

Just asking.

[TGBTG]

Revelationist, I have to admit, I have never heard the view that the old covenant Jews are/were the devil. So are you saying that when satan presented himself to God about testing Job, it was actually the old covenant jews that did this?

[Sister Alvear]

just come walk with me a few days and you will see if there are real demons in our world today...

[Bowas]

just come walk with me a few days and you will see if there are real demons in our world today...

I didn't know you moved to California. :)

[berkeley]

I didn't know you moved to California. :)

Ha ha. That is funny! Is it getting that bad in Ca?

[Revelationist]

Revelationist, I have to admit, I have never heard the view that the old covenant Jews are/were the devil. So are you saying that when satan presented himself to God about testing Job, it was actually the old covenant jews that did this?


Bro. Blume, I said from the beginning that there were spirits...

TGBTG let's let the Bible interpet the Bible...

Job 2:2
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV

At first glance it looks like the little guy in the red suite has come to the Lord about Job...

Gen 4:12
12 No longer will it yield crops for you, even if you toil on it forever! From now on you will be a fugitive and a tramp upon the earth, wandering from place to place."
TLB

So, who come to the Lord about Job? My problems have always been people that come against me.

[berkeley]

Do you believe that Cain is Satan?

[Michael]

OMW!

I always knew, there were some characters on AFF, but wow!

Devil was a Jew? Cain? What about Jesus, he was a Jew? Until he got baptized, then he converted to the WPF...What am I talking about?:ursofunny

[Revelationist]

Do you believe that Cain is Satan?


Matt 16:23
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
KJV

Just like Jesus said Peter was. When Jesus told Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan" this should be our starting point on understanding Satan. Satan is a adversary. And at this time Peter was the adversary. Cain become the adversary, and his desendants were cursed. The fallen state of man was the adversary when Job went through his trial.

[berkeley]

preterist hermeneutic... tengo miedo! Ja Ja Ja

[shag]

I guess Ive never heard that angle, Bro. Moon.
What is your take on the following, as to exactly who it was that was tempting Jesus?
( I know, not a little red man w/ horns and forked tail- hehe)



Luke 4

1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

2Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

[TGBTG]

Matt 16:23
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
KJV

Just like Jesus said Peter was. When Jesus told Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan" this should be our starting point on understanding Satan. Satan is a adversary. And at this time Peter was the adversary. Cain become the adversary, and his desendants were cursed. The fallen state of man was the adversary when Job went through his trial.

So the fallen state of man spoke to God concerning Job?! Now, I'm really perplexed...

[DAII]

This thread has been very disappointing ...

[DAII]

preterist hermeneutic... tengo miedo! Ja Ja Ja

Very scary.

[TGBTG]

This thread has been very disappointing ...

If the thread name was changed to:
"Preterists, when was/will satan and his angels be thrown in the lake of fire:Matt 25:41"

That should garner more attention. To be honest though, if we are to go along the interpretation that Bro Moon has given, then the question is moot because satan is well...not really satan.

[berkeley]

I think Moon's view is in the minority. I am somewot familiar with two fulfilled eshatology proponents. Neither have expressed anything similar to wot Moon is implying.

[berkeley]

Would an admin be so kind as to rename the thread as it is stated in post 70? Thank you. :)

[Revelationist]

I guess Ive never heard that angle, Bro. Moon.
What is your take on the following, as to exactly who it was that was tempting Jesus?
( I know, not a little red man w/ horns and forked tail- hehe)



Luke 4

1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

2Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

James 1:13-14
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
KJV

What does the Bible say? Your tempted of another source, or your own lust? Is James 1:14 wrong? If he was tempted by another source than his own lust then this scripture is wrong. Man loves to have something else to blame his failures on. "The Devil made me do it", but where does the blame really belong?

Jesus was simply tempted of his own flesh, just like we are.

[berkeley]

so who was Jesus tempted to worship? His flesh wanted to jump off a cliff? You imply alot of things by posting scripture without explaining what you really believe.

[Truthseeker]

James 1:13-14
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
KJV

What does the Bible say? Your tempted of another source, or your own lust? Is James 1:14 wrong? If he was tempted by another source than his own lust then this scripture is wrong. Man loves to have something else to blame his failures on. "The Devil made me do it", but where does the blame really belong?

Jesus was simply tempted of his own flesh, just like we are.

Could explain the devil part of Luke 4? Like the devil took him to a high mountain, etc..

[Revelationist]

so who was Jesus tempted to worship? His flesh wanted to jump off a cliff? You imply alot of things by posting scripture without explaining what you really believe.


Isa 44:6-8
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
KJV

Who what else beside the flesh and God was there to worship? Isa 44:6-8 says that there is no other God. So what else is there? Even Satanism of today will tell you that Satanism is a worship of self, not another being.

[Revelationist]

Could explain the devil part of Luke 4? Like the devil took him to a high mountain, etc..

If Jesus was like us and tempted as we are then the same hold true for Christ in these scriptures...

Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
KJV


Either Christ faced the same battle that we do, or He still doesn't have a clue what we go through.

[Revelationist]

Here's a great article on Hell from a Prterist view....

[pelathais]

Here's a great article on Hell from a Prterist view....

?

Couldn't find a "great article" by a Preterist, I guess? :spit










j/k

[berkeley]

This thread has helped me immensely. Dispensationalism -out! Full Preterism -out! What's left?

[Revelationist]

?

Couldn't find a "great article" by a Preterist, I guess? :spit


j/k

Er... yeah...

[berkeley]

Moon,
Are you a cessationist? Why or why not?

[Truthseeker]

If Jesus was like us and tempted as we are then the same hold true for Christ in these scriptures...

Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
KJV


Either Christ faced the same battle that we do, or He still doesn't have a clue what we go through.

not asking about Christ being tempted, but if no devil then why does it say stuff like devil took him to a high mountain? The devil left him?

Is the devil temptation itself? I thought you said the devil was OT jews?

[Revelationist]

Matt 16:23
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
KJV

Just like Jesus said Peter was. When Jesus told Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan" this should be our starting point on understanding Satan. Satan is a adversary. And at this time Peter was the adversary. Cain become the adversary, and his desendants were cursed. The fallen state of man was the adversary when Job went through his trial.

not asking about Christ being tempted, but if no devil then why does it say stuff like devil took him to a high mountain? The devil left him?

Is the devil temptation itself? I thought you said the devil was OT jews?

The fallen state of man, and the Old Covenant Jews were in that catagory.

[Truthseeker]

The fallen state of man, and the Old Covenant Jews were in that catagory.

The devil is fallen state of man? The fallen state of man took Jesus to a high mountain?

Luke 4:33-34

33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil , and cried out with a loud voice,

34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
KJV


Was this fallen man speaking?


Jude 9

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
KJV


Was Michael arguing with the fallen state of man?

[Revelationist]

The devil is fallen state of man? The fallen state of man took Jesus to a high mountain?

Luke 4:33-34

33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil , and cried out with a loud voice,

34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
KJV


Was this fallen man speaking?

Was this guys lips moving?

[Truthseeker]

Was this guys lips moving?

"and cried out with a loud voice,"

[Truthseeker]

The devil is fallen state of man? The fallen state of man took Jesus to a high mountain?

[Truthseeker]

Jude 9

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
KJV


Was Michael arguing with the fallen state of man?

[berkeley]

Moon,

Who is the "god of this world" in II Cor 4:4 ??

[Revelationist]

Moon,

Who is the "god of this world" in II Cor 4:4 ??

Isa 45:6
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
NKJV

I think that Our God would like to know who he is too, because He knows of no other besides the One true God. Who has control of the world? Man or another god that our Lord knows not of?

[mfblume]

2Co 4:4 KJV In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The god of this world is the devil, since all of this world and everything in it is not of the Father.

Mat 4:8-9 KJV Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (9) And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Satan is a real and personal spirit. He is an intelligent single being. He usurped the world from Adam, making him god of the world. Jesus never said the devil did not have authority over the world.

1Jn 2:15-17 KJV Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not the god of this world. What is of the world is not of God, for if He was, then all that is of the world would be God's!

The integral difference between the GOD OF THIS WORLD (satan) blinding the minds of people who do not believe, and God of salvation who blinded Israel due to rejection of the gospel, is that the first case shows a BLINDNESS FROM BIRTH. ANYONE born in the world is an unbeliever and is blinded by satan. If the heart turns to the Lord the blindness of the veil is lifted. But when God blinds, PEOPLE CANNOT SEE NOR TURN TO THE LORD.

The god of this world is the same one who is prince of the world.

Joh 16:11 KJV Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Joh 14:30 KJV Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Satan has influence over the world, and that is why he is called its god. If Paul meant GOD ALMIGHTY, then James would not have said friendship with the world makes one an enemy of God.

Jas 4:4 KJV Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

[DAII]

This is getting more painful to watch ...

Where is Benincasa?

I wonder if he holds similar view on basic doctrine ... Can the guys on the masonic forum send out an APB on the heretical minister in their ranks?

[Truthseeker]

Isa 45:6
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
NKJV

I think that Our God would like to know who he is too, because He knows of no other besides the One true God. Who has control of the world? Man or another god that our Lord knows not of?

Paul did not say the devil is beside him.

Also, what would be the god of the world paul spoke of?

[berkeley]

Great work, Blume.

Dan, I am not Dino's p.r. rep. But I do not believe that he holds to the same view as Moon.

[DAII]

Great work, Blume.

Dan, I am not Dino's p.r. rep. But I do not believe that he holds to the same view as Moon.

I highly doubt he holds what can be easily construed as an anti-semitic view.

[berkeley]

sarcasm noted

[Revelationist]

Paul did not say the devil is beside him.

Also, what would be the god of the world paul spoke of?

People do worship the devil, that makes him a god... Isa. said that He knew of no other.

[shag]

Rev, youre totally confusing me brother. I think U said to Bro Blume you believe in demonic spirits, yet you dont believe in satan the devil as a sprititual being. But rather, if I understand U accurately, U have said that Cain was really referred to as the devil like Jesus called Peter "satan", then also the devil was fallen man, then also the devil was the jews, and then Jesus wasnt talking to anyone except maybe his self I guess as a fallen man(?) because he was battling the flesh..??
And now you said the devil is a god, if people worship him. So who are they worshipping exactly, themselves as a fallen man?

(and who was spoken of as the "prince of this world", in Jn 14 and 16?)


I am curious as to where you got this/these views. I mean, I try hard to give folks the benefit of the doubt B4 I am quik to judge their views, because I have learned sometimes they're right and I have been wrong. But all this stuff youre saying is really foreign to me, and Im thinkin its pretty far out there. Maybe Im missing something, but it seems as tho youve jumped from one possibility to the next to try to fit it into your view because theres no red man with a pitch fork tail, so there must not be a devil at all.




If you're thoroughly convinced of the accuracy of your view concerning the devil, I would be interested in reading a thorough explanation with FAIR reasoning and accompanying scripture to go along with it, rather than a scripture and a short comment here and there...


respectfully....
shag






Im not sure where all Benincasa, TK, AFP, and any other FP guys are at latley, but Im thinkin none of them "view" the devil in that same way... maybe I stand corrected...

[berkeley]

bump

[houston]

KC, many of these posts are comical.

[TGBTG]

I think that with a little study, you'll find that the real Devil's were the Old Covenant Jews. When judgement come upon them, they were cast into hell. Or destroyed. The little guy with a pointed tail and a red suite sporting a pichfork also comes from paganism.

I believe in spirits, but the only devils I've ever come across were people. Never had any trouble with a little Red Guy with a Pointed Tail.

Bro. Blume, I said from the beginning that there were spirits...

TGBTG let's let the Bible interpet the Bible...

Job 2:2
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV

At first glance it looks like the little guy in the red suite has come to the Lord about Job...

Gen 4:12
12 No longer will it yield crops for you, even if you toil on it forever! From now on you will be a fugitive and a tramp upon the earth, wandering from place to place."
TLB

So, who come to the Lord about Job? My problems have always been people that come against me.

KC, many of these posts are comical.

Thanks for bumping this houston, I needed a great laugh today...lol
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Be it known that partial preterism DOES believe in hell. Some confuse partial preterism with fulfilled eschatology, and this disclaimer must be made known.

:D

Tis true,there is a punishment of the wicked it may not be exactly the way it's always been traditionally taught,but the wicked will be punished and it won't be pleasant.

[houston]

The problem with the preterist hermeneutic, if that's the right word, is that any scriptures with similar wording somehow makes the verses have the same meaning. Okay, not sure what I just said, can't quite word it right. I think some of the FP/FE guys are too smart for their own good.

[Revelationist]

The problem with the preterist hermeneutic, if that's the right word, is that any scriptures with similar wording somehow makes the verses have the same meaning. Okay, not sure what I just said, can't quite word it right. I think some of the FP/FE guys are too smart for their own good.

There's a difference in reading your Bible and study your Bible...

[kclee4jc]

KC, many of these posts are comical.

no kiddin

[houston]

no kiddin

Not making fun of REV, but his posts were funny. It was like watching a comedy...

[Evang.Benincasa]

This is getting more painful to watch ...

Where is Benincasa?

I wonder if he holds similar view on basic doctrine

No, I don't.

Yet, I see that someone got Brother Moon to speak up on what he believes, he sure wouldn't share with me on the other forum.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa :star

[houston]

This thread always fills me with elations, laughter, and an abundance of joy.

[Amanah]

This thread has helped me immensely. Dispensationalism -out! Full Preterism -out! What's left?

well, Brother Esaias is writing a book on Historicism, but, it is a sealed book.

[Esaias]

well, Brother Esaias is writing a book on Historicism, but, it is a sealed book.

lol I'm getting around to it, been busy getting a house wired and plumbed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

lol I'm getting around to it, been busy getting a house wired and plumbed.

What are you doing?

A renovation?

Are you doing the electrics and the plumbing?

[Esaias]

What are you doing?

A renovation?

Are you doing the electrics and the plumbing?

Had my mom's house built on our property, we used a licensed electrician but my son and I dug the trenches for the conduit, I had to buy the receptacles, switches, boxes, etc, and figure out where what goes where, I've been haggling with the water company over a road bore, I'll be plumbing the whole thing myself, had to find and expose the septic tank, in the process of building an overhang for the porch, still trying to get my goat cage built for my utility trailor, today installed 3 window ac units in bedrooms because the fan on our central ac went out, watched the eclipse, discovered a leak in my roof, mowed the yard and lost the drive belt on my zero turn, chased a field mouse out of my garden, cleaned up our closed-in back porch and put my squat rack in there (in parts, gotta assemble it, move my mats and plates in there, etc).

Plus homeschool here is year round, so there's that, helping two of the kids practice parallel parking so they can get a permit to exercise their right to travel (!), etc etc etc...

:heeheehee

[Amanah]

lol I'm getting around to it, been busy getting a house wired and plumbed.

See teaser for Esaias' book linked below.

I'm not going to do Cliff Notes for the book of Revelation (its too involved for one liners) but I will give a brief outline, a "Big Picture" view so to speak, of Bible prophecy.


Abraham is chosen to be God's Ambassador on earth. Isaiah 51:2
Abraham's descendants (through Isaac, and his son Jacob/Israel) are chosen to fulfill that Ambassadorship and spread the knowledge of God to all families/tribes on earth. Isaiah 43:12, Deuteronomy 4:6-8
Abraham's descendants (Israel) are to increase to become a large multitude of nations. Genesis 17:5, Genesis 48:16-20
Israel receives Palestine, but is promised another land, as well as an everlasting kingship through David's heirs. 2 Samuel 7:10-13
Israel experiences civil war, and is divided into the House of Israel (headed by Joseph/Ephraim) and the House of Judah. 1Kings 11:31ff
The House of Israel apostasizes and is divorced from the Sinaitic Covenant marriage with God, redesignated as heathen gentiles, and scattered by Assyria as punishment, yet will continue to increase in number during their wanderings. Jeremiah 3:8, Hosea 1:1-11
Judah is punished by Babylon, but is not divorced as Israel was.
God promises to make a new Covenant with both houses (Israel and Judah), in which the two would be united as one people, under one head (Christ). Hosea 1:1-11, Jeremiah 31:31
The divorced and dispersed house of Israel - who were considered nothing but heathen gentiles - will be regathered together with Judah as the children of God under Messiah in this new Covenant. Hosea 1:10-11, Romans 9:24-26
Starting with Babylon, there would be Five world governments: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the Messianic Kingdom of God. Daniel 2
The third, Greece, would be split into four parts (kingdoms of Ptolemy, Selucas, Lysimachus, and Cassander). Daniel 8:8
The fourth, Rome, would be divided, and out of the divided Empire would arise various kingdoms (European kingdoms and republics). Daniel 2:41, 44, Daniel 7:7
Also out of Rome would arise a minor power that would increase in defiance against God and be the primary antichristian persecuting power, subverting the laws and changing the times, etc. Daniel 7. Fulfilled in the RCC/Vatican.
Eventually this persecuting power would be destroyed and the remnants of the old Roman Empire would be destroyed as well.Daniel 7
The earth would then be subservient to Messiah, filled with righteousness, as the people of God inherit the whole world. Daniel 7, Romans 4:13
Prior to this final victory, an apostasy (already at work during apostolic times) would take place, resulting in the rise of clericalism and false Christianity that would overspread the earth, but which would be finally destroyed by Messiah. 2 Thessalonians 2
Jerusalem, in consequence of rejecting Messiah and His apostles, would be destroyed and under the control of gentiles for an unspecified time. Matthew 24
The Gospel would go out throughout the world as the heathen gentile nations of the house of Israel were gathered together with the remnant of Judah, acknowledging Jesus as Christ and Lord. Hosea 1, etc
They would take the message of Christ to all families of the earth. Mark 16:15
During this period, the antichristian religious and political persecuting power would persecute the true faithful, who would disappear into the wilderness, as it were, during the persecutions, to be preserved as a remnant. Revelation 12
A revival would occur in which the true gospel was proclaimed once again as in apostolic times. Revelation 11:12-13
The world political and religious powers will be destroyed by the Second Advent. Revelation 19
The saints will be resurrected to reign on earth for a very long time, during which time Satan is bound and there is no persecution of God's people. Revelation 20
The final rebellion, and final judgment, and final destruction of the wicked (including satan). Revelation 20-20
Eternity with Christ, our God. Revelation 21-22



http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?p=1496574#post1496574

[Evang.Benincasa]

Had my mom's house built on our property, we used a licensed electrician but my son and I dug the trenches for the conduit, I had to buy the receptacles, switches, boxes, etc, and figure out where what goes where, I've been haggling with the water company over a road bore, I'll be plumbing the whole thing myself, had to find and expose the septic tank, in the process of building an overhang for the porch, still trying to get my goat cage built for my utility trailor, today installed 3 window ac units in bedrooms because the fan on our central ac went out, watched the eclipse, discovered a leak in my roof, mowed the yard and lost the drive belt on my zero turn, chased a field mouse out of my garden, cleaned up our closed-in back porch and put my squat rack in there (in parts, gotta assemble it, move my mats and plates in there, etc).

Plus homeschool here is year round, so there's that, helping two of the kids practice parallel parking so they can get a permit to exercise their right to travel (!), etc etc etc...

:heeheehee

Why don't you build something in the back yard to put equipment?
You can train in there instead of the closed in porch? Concrete floor with mats will be way better than the porch.

[JoeBandy]

Had my mom's house built on our property, we used a licensed electrician but my son and I dug the trenches for the conduit, I had to buy the receptacles, switches, boxes, etc, and figure out where what goes where, I've been haggling with the water company over a road bore, I'll be plumbing the whole thing myself, had to find and expose the septic tank, in the process of building an overhang for the porch, still trying to get my goat cage built for my utility trailor, today installed 3 window ac units in bedrooms because the fan on our central ac went out, watched the eclipse, discovered a leak in my roof, mowed the yard and lost the drive belt on my zero turn, chased a field mouse out of my garden, cleaned up our closed-in back porch and put my squat rack in there (in parts, gotta assemble it, move my mats and plates in there, etc).

Plus homeschool here is year round, so there's that, helping two of the kids practice parallel parking so they can get a permit to exercise their right to travel (!), etc etc etc...

:heeheehee

What squat rack did you get? I will be adding one to my gym. I have plenty square tubing and I was thinking of making my own. But time is a factor and I may not trust my welding.

[Evang.Benincasa]

What squat rack did you get? I will be adding one to my gym. I have plenty square tubing and I was thinking of making my own. But time is a factor and I may not trust my welding.

Don't weld it, drill and bolt it together.

[Evang.Benincasa]

See teaser for Esaias' book linked below.




http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?p=1496574#post1496574

Esaias, instead of getting a book out, just make a teaching audio.

[shag]

I built a squat rack years ago with primarily 2" square tubing, welded(wire. I'm a terrible stick welder) part of it and bolted up part of it, to take apart in sections and fit through a doorway.
1" dia holes for 2 safety bars on each side.

Not too complicated...does take some time, & that's hard to find

[Esaias]

Why don't you build something in the back yard to put equipment?
You can train in there instead of the closed in porch? Concrete floor with mats will be way better than the porch.

The porch is actually concrete floor, walled in with brick and 2x4, sheetrock, windows, skylights, etc. Previous owner made it a "sun room" for his wife's plants. Basically it's a room addition

Was using the garage, but I need that for lawn mowers, tools, firewood, etc.

[Evang.Benincasa]

The porch is actually concrete floor, walled in with brick and 2x4, sheetrock, windows, skylights, etc. Previous owner made it a "sun room" for his wife's plants. Basically it's a room addition

Was using the garage, but I need that for lawn mowers, tools, firewood, etc.

How much weight do you have? Do you use Olympic only? Or 1" bar, with plates, and Olympic bar with plates? I collect vintage plates, and anything that has to do with lifting. The backyard is loaded with equipment, and Sister Benincasa vacuums around a huge iron pile of assorted dumbbells in the living room. Oh, Sister Benincasa and I share a Roman Chair which is in the living room.

Hey?

What was this thread about? :heeheehee

Bro, make an audio teaching and put it on line. :thumbsup

[berkeley]

ndavid, check out posts by Revelationist

[n david]

What did I just read???

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mshckd.gif

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Revelationist View Post
Bro. Blume, I said from the beginning that there were spirits...

TGBTG let's let the Bible interpet the Bible...

Job 2:2
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV

At first glance it looks like the little guy in the red suite has come to the Lord about Job...

Gen 4:12
12 No longer will it yield crops for you, even if you toil on it forever! From now on you will be a fugitive and a tramp upon the earth, wandering from place to place."
TLB

So, who come to the Lord about Job? My problems have always been people that come against me.
[QUOTE]

I'm baffled at this nonsense...

[n david]

I'm baffled at this nonsense...
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/emin.gif

[1ofthechosen]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c8c06e5efd412a8e8c6b14f1748c6185/tenor.gif?itemid=8776030

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Revelationist View Post
Bro. Blume, I said from the beginning that there were spirits...

TGBTG let's let the Bible interpet the Bible...

Job 2:2
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV

At first glance it looks like the little guy in the red suite has come to the Lord about Job...

Gen 4:12
12 No longer will it yield crops for you, even if you toil on it forever! From now on you will be a fugitive and a tramp upon the earth, wandering from place to place."
TLB

So, who come to the Lord about Job? My problems have always been people that come against me.
[QUOTE]

I'm baffled at this nonsense...


Why is this post in this condition?

What is missing from the square bracketed

[1ofthechosen]

[QUOTE=1ofthechosen;1545005]Originally Posted by Revelationist View Post
Bro. Blume, I said from the beginning that there were spirits...

TGBTG let's let the Bible interpet the Bible...

Job 2:2
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV

At first glance it looks like the little guy in the red suite has come to the Lord about Job...

Gen 4:12
12 No longer will it yield crops for you, even if you toil on it forever! From now on you will be a fugitive and a tramp upon the earth, wandering from place to place."
TLB

So, who come to the Lord about Job? My problems have always been people that come against me.
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Why is this post in this condition?

What is missing from the square bracketed


Sorry Sensei lol your prayers haven't been helping.. Look better now?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Revelationist View Post
Bro. Blume, I said from the beginning that there were spirits...

TGBTG let's let the Bible interpet the Bible...

Job 2:2
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV

At first glance it looks like the little guy in the red suite has come to the Lord about Job...

Gen 4:12
12 No longer will it yield crops for you, even if you toil on it forever! From now on you will be a fugitive and a tramp upon the earth, wandering from place to place."
TLB

So, who come to the Lord about Job? My problems have always been people that come against me.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm baffled at this nonsense...

[Evang.Benincasa]

sorry sensei lol your prayers haven't been helping.. Look better now?

no it is way worse!!!!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Just highlight the quote with the name and highlight the last bottom quote box. That way you will be bracketing your quotes in which ever way you choose.
It just makes the post look better and easier to read.