Whatever Happened to Sin?

[Charnock]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

_________ (noun) is a sin.

If you participate in __________ (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

If you continue _____________ (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

Those who ________ (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Not long at all.

[Charnock]

Not long at all.

What was the specific sin preached against?

[*AQuietPlace*]

A few services ago... adultery, homosexuality.

[BeenThinkin]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

Debating with Charnock (noun) is a sin.

:bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss

If you participate in Discussions with Charnock (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

If you continue fellowshipping with Charnock (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

Those who respond to Charnock's posts (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.

:pullhair :pullhair :pullhair

LORD I REPENT! :grampa

Been Thinkin (Whether you think so or not!)

[Mr. Smith]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

_________ (noun) is a sin.

If you participate in __________ (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

If you continue _____________ (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

Those who ________ (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.


What a sanctimonious self-righteous kick you're on. If we just all admit that AFF is a house of heathens, would you agree to just go away?

Here's how's this? I'm a pastor, I don't preach against sin because I don't care if people sin because I'm just trying to build a crowd, not a church.

There, feel better now?:lol

[crakjak]

Whatever happened to sin?


Nothing, man continues right on doing it....!

[rgcraig]

Miss Bratt said it all today!

Our job is to offer the solution to sin; not enforce righteousness. ~~ Miss Bratt

[Liberal]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

_________ (noun) is a sin.

If you participate in __________ (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

If you continue _____________ (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

Those who ________ (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.


I am a pastor and I will strongly tell you that I rarely, if ever, make statements such as these. I have discovered a greater force than myself that takes care of sin in the lives of people I'm trying to reach or speaking to.

The Holy Spirit.

John chapter 16 reveals the promise of the Holy Spirit and verse 8 says that He will "Convict the world of sin" with the word, "Convict", meaning, "To make aware of".

I do not have the power to prevent people from sinning. It's above my pay grade. But what I am able to do is help create an environment where the Holy Spirit is able to do His work and He is able to confront sin in ways that neither you nor I will ever be able.

One Sunday I spoke about King Saul and how he actually is more of a hero in the story of David and Goliath than we give him credit for. If David had lost, King Saul was subject to become a slave to the Philistines. He realized he wasn't able to fight Goliath but recognized something in David and trust him to get the job done.

After the service, a 15-year-old boy came up to me and handed me an Altoid's container. Inside it were several joints and a lighter. He tearfully handed it to me and said he couldn't do it anymore.

I didn't say a single word about sin, about things people shouldn't do, but the Holy Spirit did something I couldn't have done. It turns out that John 16 works...the Holy Spirit really does make people aware of their sin and produces fruit that we'll never be able to produce.

[Liberal]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

_________ (noun) is a sin.

If you participate in __________ (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

If you continue _____________ (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

Those who ________ (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.



The second factor is this...Galatians 5 says that the works of the flesh are "Obvious." Do I really need to tell people that adultery is wrong? Is there anyone in the United States of America, that has watched the destructive forces of adultery in the lives of many around them and in the news, of presidents, superstars, and athletes, that isn't aware of it already? The works of the flesh, sin, is obvious. People already know.

What they need to know is how to connect with a power greater than themselves that can empower them to walk away from their sin, an answer to the destructive forces that sometimes drive them.

And the answer again is the Holy Spirit.

Verse 16 of that chapter says, "Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the desire of the flesh."

If we connect people to the power of the Holy Spirit...the real Holy Spirit, not just an episode of tongues...but the real power of the Holy Spirit, and show people how to walk in Him, the sin problem in front of us will disappear.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I am a pastor and I will strongly tell you that I rarely, if ever, make statements such as these. I have discovered a greater force than myself that takes care of sin in the lives of people I'm trying to reach or speaking to.

The Holy Spirit.

John chapter 16 reveals the promise of the Holy Spirit and verse 8 says that He will "Convict the world of sin" with the word, "Convict", meaning, "To make aware of".

I do not have the power to prevent people from sinning. It's above my pay grade. But what I am able to do is help create an environment where the Holy Spirit is able to do His work and He is able to confront sin in ways that neither you nor I will ever be able.

One Sunday I spoke about King Saul and how he actually is more of a hero in the story of David and Goliath than we give him credit for. If David had lost, King Saul was subject to become a slave to the Philistines. He realized he wasn't able to fight Goliath but recognized something in David and trust him to get the job done.

After the service, a 15-year-old boy came up to me and handed me an Altoid's container. Inside it were several joints and a lighter. He tearfully handed it to me and said he couldn't do it anymore.

I didn't say a single word about sin, about things people shouldn't do, but the Holy Spirit did something I couldn't have done. It turns out that John 16 works...the Holy Spirit really does make people aware of their sin and produces fruit that we'll never be able to produce.
:thumbsup

[coadie]

I am a pastor and I will strongly tell you that I rarely, if ever, make statements such as these. I have discovered a greater force than myself that takes care of sin in the lives of people I'm trying to reach or speaking to.

The Holy Spirit.

John chapter 16 reveals the promise of the Holy Spirit and verse 8 says that He will "Convict the world of sin" with the word, "Convict", meaning, "To make aware of".

I do not have the power to prevent people from sinning. It's above my pay grade. But what I am able to do is help create an environment where the Holy Spirit is able to do His work and He is able to confront sin in ways that neither you nor I will ever be able.

One Sunday I spoke about King Saul and how he actually is more of a hero in the story of David and Goliath than we give him credit for. If David had lost, King Saul was subject to become a slave to the Philistines. He realized he wasn't able to fight Goliath but recognized something in David and trust him to get the job done.

After the service, a 15-year-old boy came up to me and handed me an Altoid's container. Inside it were several joints and a lighter. He tearfully handed it to me and said he couldn't do it anymore.

I didn't say a single word about sin, about things people shouldn't do, but the Holy Spirit did something I couldn't have done. It turns out that John 16 works...the Holy Spirit really does make people aware of their sin and produces fruit that we'll never be able to produce.

A pastor? I have read some claims you made that seem to show me otherwise.

[ManOfWord]

I have absolutely no problem calling sin, sin. It is what it is. If the Bible calls it sin, it is sin. It's not rocket surgery! I have no problem calling adultery, immorality, lying etc. sin. I certainly don't talk about it all the time. But I DO preach about the importance of having a true relationship with Jesus Christ. If someone "gets" that, everything else will fall into place. :D

[CC1]

I have absolutely no problem calling sin, sin. It is what it is. If the Bible calls it sin, it is sin. It's not rocket surgery! I have no problem calling adultery, immorality, lying etc. sin. I certainly don't talk about it all the time. But I DO preach about the importance of having a true relationship with Jesus Christ. If someone "gets" that, everything else will fall into place. :D

:thumbsup

[RevDWW]

There should be balance in the Pulpit. Mercy and grace should be preached along with sin and conviction and heaven and hell.

There is pain and suffering and death in the Gospel and there is life and hope. It all must be shared for the whole Gospel to be preached.

But if Jesus didn't come to condemn the world, we shouldn't either.

[CC1]

There should be balance in the Pulpit. Mercy and grace should be preached along with sin and conviction and heaven and hell.

There is pain and suffering and death in the Gospel and there is life and hope. It all must be shared for the whole Gospel to be preached.

But if Jesus didn't come to condemn the world, we shouldn't either.

But it is so much funner to just concentrate on that sin stuff!!! Especially when you are one of those who model their ministry style after Old Testament prophets rather than Jesus in the New Testament.

[Praxeas]

2Ti 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

Paul preached against sin, so did Jesus

[Maximilian]

Miss Bratt said it all today!

Our job is to offer the solution to sin; not enforce righteousness. ~~ Miss Bratt

Hmmm... pointing people to Grace is definitely the solution.

Articulating the depravity of our sin is quite necessary IMO. We don't know the bounty of His Grace until we realize fully the indebtedness of our sin.

[Maximilian]

I am a pastor and I will strongly tell you that I rarely, if ever, make statements such as these. I have discovered a greater force than myself that takes care of sin in the lives of people I'm trying to reach or speaking to.

The Holy Spirit.

John chapter 16 reveals the promise of the Holy Spirit and verse 8 says that He will "Convict the world of sin" with the word, "Convict", meaning, "To make aware of".

I do not have the power to prevent people from sinning. It's above my pay grade. But what I am able to do is help create an environment where the Holy Spirit is able to do His work and He is able to confront sin in ways that neither you nor I will ever be able.

One Sunday I spoke about King Saul and how he actually is more of a hero in the story of David and Goliath than we give him credit for. If David had lost, King Saul was subject to become a slave to the Philistines. He realized he wasn't able to fight Goliath but recognized something in David and trust him to get the job done.

After the service, a 15-year-old boy came up to me and handed me an Altoid's container. Inside it were several joints and a lighter. He tearfully handed it to me and said he couldn't do it anymore.

I didn't say a single word about sin, about things people shouldn't do, but the Holy Spirit did something I couldn't have done. It turns out that John 16 works...the Holy Spirit really does make people aware of their sin and produces fruit that we'll never be able to produce.

I definitely agree and would approach the subject probably more similarly to you.

However, there are times, and appropriate times, to speak plain about sin. Paul did it. Jesus did it. Peter did it. The First Century church did it. An abstract spiritual world, a community without clear articulation and instruction, etc just don't cut it. Even though the Spirit does the cutting, piercing and healing, the Community of Faith can still speak plainly and clearly to areas we are falling short.

[allstate1]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

_________ (noun) is a sin.

If you participate in __________ (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

If you continue _____________ (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

Those who ________ (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.

Attend an ALJC church in central LA. In the words of T.F. Tenney everything exxept water and fresh air is a sin!!!

[Sister Alvear]

let me see...my son went to a campmeeting and made the mistake of wearing a pink shirt one night and a yellow one the next....the preachers sermon was about pink and yellow shirts the last night...

Some people need to learn what sin is....Many years ago my daddy made the mistake of wearing beige shoes to a campmeeting....lol... the preacher preached that men that wore light colored shoes were gay...those that knew my daddy knew he had a woman at every port....lol...

What silly messages people preach in the name of Christ...no wonder some people think our Christ quite odd...

[rgcraig]

let me see...my son went to a campmeeting and made the mistake of wearing a pink shirt one night and a yellow one the next....the preachers sermon was about pink and yellow shirts the last night...

Some people need to learn what sin is....Many years ago my daddy made the mistake of wearing beige shoes to a campmeeting....lol... the preacher preached that men that wore light colored shoes were gay...those that knew my daddy knew he had a woman at every port....lol...

What silly messages people preach in the name of Christ...no wonder some people think our Christ quite odd...

You might want to clarify (before he was married) about your dad.

[Digging4Truth]

Whatever happened to sin?

It was nailed to the cross.

[Sister Alvear]

You might want to clarify (before he was married) about your dad.

ha..ha....he was married but was not a christian at that point.....

[OnTheFritz]

Ahhh - brings back memories.


WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SIN? by Steve Taylor

A Christian counselor wrote, quote,
"It's the only human choice ahead
If you can't support it
Why don't you abort it instead?"
You say you pray to the sky
Why? when you're afraid to take a stand down here
'Cause while the holy talk reads like a bad ad-lib
Silence screams you were robbing the crib
Say it ain't none of my business, huh?
A woman's got a right to choose
Now a grave-digger
Next you pull the trigger
What then?
Whatever happened to sin?

I heard the Reverend say
"Gay is probably normal in the Good Lord's sight
What's to be debated?
Jesus never stated what's right"
I'm no theology nut, but
The Reverend may be a little confused
For if the Lord don't care
And he chooses to ignore-ah
Tell it to the people
Of Sodom and Gomorrah (woah)

Call it just an alternate lifestyle, huh?
Morality lies within
Consciences are restin'
Please repeat the question again
Whatever happened to sin?

When the closets are empty
And the clinics are full
When your eyes have been blinded
By society's wool
When the streets erupt
In your own backyard
You'll be on your knees
Praying for the national guard
If you don't care now
How the problems get solved
You can shake your head later
That you never got involved
'Cause the call came ringing
From the throne of gold
But you never got the message (got the message)
'Cause your mind's on hold

A politician next door
Swore he'd set the Washington Arena on fire
Thinks he'll gladiate them
But they're gonna make him a liar
Well he's a good ole boy
Who was born and raised
In the buckle o' the Bible Belt
But remember when you step
Into your voting booth
He'll never lie
He'll just embellish the truth

Promises were made to be broken, right?
You've gotta play the game to win
When you need supporting
Tell 'em that you're born again
Whatever happened to sin?

[rgcraig]

ha..ha....he was married but was not a christian at that point.....

Oh, okay! :toofunny

[TJJJ]

Sin should be preached against on a regular basis, human nature has a way of pushing the envelope.

One of the jobs of the ministry in the OT was to put a difference between the clean and unclean, holy and unholy. I believe that is carried over to the new.

But....

Preaching against sin should always be followed with a opportunity for mercy and grace. What use is preaching against sin if there is no instruction into righteousness?

Balance is the answer.

[Digging4Truth]

I find the most effective preaching is not that preaching that preaches AGAINST things. I just don't see where it brings a change in people to rail on things they shouldn't do for an hour. I prefer an approach that I see as dealing with sin. At very best it lines them up out of fear and/or intimidation.

I heard it said one time that the key to recognizing counterfeit money is not in studying the counterfeit. It's in knowing the original well.

Teach on the nature of God and how it applies to our lives.
Teach on the beauty and wisdom of God's Holy way.
Give examples of how following our own nature is failed wisdom and eventually leads us to destruction.

A people who follow God because they believe that His way is the wise and Holy way of an all knowing God are preferred, IMO, to a group who follow God because God's gonna get'em if they don't.

I've never been changed by a sermon that railed on for an hour about how evil this or that is.

Now... there are certainly times when people are rebelliously coming against clear teaching of God's word and the Bible spells out specif steps to deal with that and they should be followed. After all... it's all God's word.

[berkeley]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

_________ (noun) is a sin.

If you participate in __________ (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

If you continue _____________ (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

Those who ________ (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.

2 yrs..

[A.W. Bowman]

I find the most effective preaching is not that preaching that preaches AGAINST things. ...

Teach on the nature of God and how it applies to our lives.
Teach on the beauty and wisdom of God's Holy way.
Give examples of how following our own nature is failed wisdom and eventually leads us to destruction. ...

A people who follow God because they believe that His way is the wise and Holy way of an all knowing God are preferred, IMO, to a group who follow God because God's gonna get'em if they don't. ...

Now... there are certainly times when people are rebelliously coming against clear teaching of God's word and the Bible spells out specif steps to deal with that and they should be followed. After all... it's all God's word.

Wisdom, unmasked. Thank you.

Preach God's righteousness to sinners, and how to live an 'over coming life' to the saints.

If not going to hell is our justification for following after Christ (humanism), then we might have well assured ourselves that that is exactly where we are headed.

[seekerman]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

_________ (noun) is a sin.

If you participate in __________ (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

If you continue _____________ (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

Those who ________ (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.

Wasn't sin taken care of 2000 years ago?

Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Honestly, after reading many of these threads I wonder what Jesus actually accomplished 2000 years ago. Seems like it was very very little.

[Digging4Truth]

Wasn't sin taken care of 2000 years ago?

Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Honestly, after reading many of these threads I wonder what Jesus actually accomplished 2000 years ago. Seems like it was very very little.

His accomplishments were great... but not universal. :)

[allstate1]

His accomplishments were great... but not universal. :)

HUH???

[Digging4Truth]

HUH???

God did a greater work than we see in some because not everybody gets their own personal dose of the work of the Cross.

He did a great work. But not every one has let that work be applied in their own lives.

[jfrog]

His accomplishments were great... but not universal. :)

Christ died for all, not some. The cross alone does not save yet NO ONE is saved without it. Belief is required for salvation and without belief we are already condemned (John 3:18). The point is that the cross unlocked the doorway to salvation but it does not guarantee that everyman will walk through that door. For these reasons the cross and Christ's accomplishments are universal and we can still say that all are not saved.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I find the most effective preaching is not that preaching that preaches AGAINST things. I just don't see where it brings a change in people to rail on things they shouldn't do for an hour. I prefer an approach that I see as dealing with sin. At very best it lines them up out of fear and/or intimidation.

I heard it said one time that the key to recognizing counterfeit money is not in studying the counterfeit. It's in knowing the original well.

Teach on the nature of God and how it applies to our lives.
Teach on the beauty and wisdom of God's Holy way.
Give examples of how following our own nature is failed wisdom and eventually leads us to destruction.

A people who follow God because they believe that His way is the wise and Holy way of an all knowing God are preferred, IMO, to a group who follow God because God's gonna get'em if they don't.

I've never been changed by a sermon that railed on for an hour about how evil this or that is.

Now... there are certainly times when people are rebelliously coming against clear teaching of God's word and the Bible spells out specif steps to deal with that and they should be followed. After all... it's all God's word.
:thumbsup

[Liberal]

I find the most effective preaching is not that preaching that preaches AGAINST things. I just don't see where it brings a change in people to rail on things they shouldn't do for an hour. I prefer an approach that I see as dealing with sin. At very best it lines them up out of fear and/or intimidation.

I heard it said one time that the key to recognizing counterfeit money is not in studying the counterfeit. It's in knowing the original well.

Teach on the nature of God and how it applies to our lives.
Teach on the beauty and wisdom of God's Holy way.
Give examples of how following our own nature is failed wisdom and eventually leads us to destruction.

A people who follow God because they believe that His way is the wise and Holy way of an all knowing God are preferred, IMO, to a group who follow God because God's gonna get'em if they don't.

I've never been changed by a sermon that railed on for an hour about how evil this or that is.

Now... there are certainly times when people are rebelliously coming against clear teaching of God's word and the Bible spells out specif steps to deal with that and they should be followed. After all... it's all God's word.


Well said.

[Liberal]

Whatever happened to sin?

When was the last time you heard a sermon that addressed sin in this manner?
(fill in the blanks with anything you consider sinful)

_________ (noun) is a sin.

If you participate in __________ (noun) you are disobeying God's word.

If you continue _____________ (verb) you will sever right relationship with God.

Those who ________ (verb) and refuse to repent will go to Hell.


When was the last time you heard, "We've to 62 visitors today" in your church? I get pretty excited when I hear that.

[Praxeas]

As per my previous scripture post. We are to preach the word, not some or part. Preaching should be well rounded

[DaffyDuck]

As per my previous scripture post. We are to preach the word, not some or part. Preaching should be well rounded


Isn't there only one verse in the bible?

[Digging4Truth]

Christ died for all, not some. The cross alone does not save yet NO ONE is saved without it. Belief is required for salvation and without belief we are already condemned (John 3:18). The point is that the cross unlocked the doorway to salvation but it does not guarantee that everyman will walk through that door. For these reasons the cross and Christ's accomplishments are universal and we can still say that all are not saved.

So then you agree. That is what I was saying

[jfrog]

So then you agree. That is what I was saying

Precision in words matters though and not just because some people make points out of your words when they lack precision. Precision matters because it allows more truth to be conveyed albeit usually at the the expense of adding many more words.