Sex Before Dinner, Does God Approve?

[Praxeas]

What say ye? Does your pastor still preach against sex before dinner? Why are so many falling away and enjoying a little afternoon delight? Is this a sign of the end times?

[Sherri]

Oh boy..........this forum has degenerated. LOL

[allstate1]

What say ye? Does your pastor still preach against sex before dinner? Why are so many falling away and enjoying a little afternoon delight? Is this a sign of the end times?

You may have started this as a joke but I have heard sex in daylight actually preached against!!!!!

[iceniez]

You may have started this as a joke but I have heard sex in daylight actually preached against!!!!!

Really ?

[rgcraig]

You may have started this as a joke but I have heard sex in daylight actually preached against!!!!!

LOL - - -now that is bizzare!

[Timmy]

LOL - - -now that is bizzare!

Nothing surprises me, anymore.

:toofunny

[iceniez]

Nothing surprises me, anymore.

:toofunny

I seriously think there are things some Pastors should not "preach"......... What would be the sin in that ............. seriously . Just plain unlearned.

[rgcraig]

I seriously think there are things some Pastors should not "preach"......... What would be the sin in that ............. seriously . Just plain unlearned.

Well, he didn't say the preacher said it was a sin - just that it was preached against.

[allstate1]

Its been a few years ago but I can remeber tha basic point was not fullfilling the lust of the eye. The old men arevisual thing was used. " If a man wants to have sex in the daylight or with the lights on he is doing it in order to see your nakedness and is fulfilling the lust of the eye instaed of out of love"! This was adressed to the married women!

[allstate1]

I seriously think there are things some Pastors should not "preach"......... What would be the sin in that ............. seriously . Just plain unlearned.

In LA. some preachers still think a red dress is a sin!!!!!

[rgcraig]

Its been a few years ago but I can remeber tha basic point was not fullfilling the lust of the eye. The old men arevisual thing was used. " If a man wants to have sex in the daylight or with the lights on he is doing it in order to see your nakedness and is fulfilling the lust of the eye instaed of out of love"! This was adressed to the married women!

Sounds like that should have been addressed to the married MEN! Addressing the ladies put the burden on them to turn off the lights!

[allstate1]

Sounds like that should have been addressed to the married MEN! Addressing the ladies put the burden on them to turn off the lights!

Have you forgotten in the UPC the burden always is on the women to control the mans eye (the uniform)!!!!

[rgcraig]

Have you forgotten in the UPC the burden always is on the women to control the mans eye (the uniform)!!!!

Just saying - the way it SHOULD have been presented.

[allstate1]

Just saying - the way it SHOULD have been presented.

I agree!!! But you know how us menfolk are we just cant control ourselves so we pass the buck!!

[crakjak]

What say ye? Does your pastor still preach against sex before dinner? Why are so many falling away and enjoying a little afternoon delight? Is this a sign of the end times?

Is it a sin for a single man to raise such a question???? :ursofunny

[Pro31:28]

There goes the Sunday afternoon "nap"....

[iceniez]

Its been a few years ago but I can remeber tha basic point was not fullfilling the lust of the eye. The old men arevisual thing was used. " If a man wants to have sex in the daylight or with the lights on he is doing it in order to see your nakedness and is fulfilling the lust of the eye instaed of out of love"! This was adressed to the married women!

Unbelievable, and some took it for gospel I would assume.......... [ tic]

[rgcraig]

Unbelievable, and some took it for gospel I would assume.......... [ tic]

I'm sure they did.

I know there have been pastors to preach only certain positions were acceptable.

[TGBTG]

I'm sure they did.

I know there have been pastors to preach only certain positions were acceptable.

How a pastor can read from Genesis to Revelation and come up with that in his message is definitely beyond me...:ursofunny

I guess the sermons would have to be rated PG and PG-13...lol

[iceniez]

I'm sure they did.

I know there have been pastors to preach only certain positions were acceptable.

I don't want to know:doh

[rgcraig]

I don't want to know:doh

If I were to guess "why" I would guess it has to do with submission, but who knows.

It surely doesn't have anything to do with the "mission" field.

[iceniez]

If I were to guess "why" I would guess it has to do with submission, but who knows.

It surely doesn't have anything to do with the "mission" field.

Alot of Pastors have never read the Song of Solomon .

[Pro31:28]

If I were to guess "why" I would guess it has to do with submission, but who knows.

It surely doesn't have anything to do with the "mission" field.

:ursofunny- These are probably the same ones who can't see SoS as having to with anything but the church as well...

[allstate1]

How a pastor can read from Genesis to Revelation and come up with that in his message is definitely beyond me...:ursofunny

I guess the sermons would have to be rated PG and PG-13...lol

I have been in several services where under 21 have been ushered out for an "adult" message!!!

[DAII]

Dedicated Mind started a thread a few years ago ... saying relations before church service was of the debbil.

See if I can dig it up ... or if it's been sanitized

[TGBTG]

I have been in several services where under 21 have been ushered out for an "adult" message!!!

Wow...

[Sister Alvear]

No wonder the world perishes without the saving knowlege of Jesus Christ... so much time is spent preaching such stupid stuff....private life is just that...private...

[iceniez]

No wonder the world perishes without the saving knowlege of Jesus Christ... so much time is spent preaching such stupid stuff....private life is just that...private...

AMEN..........

[allstate1]

Dedicated Mind started a thread a few years ago ... saying relations before church service was of the debbil.

See if I can dig it up ... or if it's been sanitized

Athletes are asked to obstain before an event so why shouldnt we obstain? Afterall we havent been to church unless...............

[Pro31:28]

No wonder the world perishes without the saving knowlege of Jesus Christ... so much time is spent preaching such stupid stuff....private life is just that...private...

Sister, I agree with you 99% of the time, but I would have to disagree with you on this point. We have a horrible lack of knowledge in the church regarding sex. When my husband and I got married, we were recommended a book (whispered) by a friend by Tim LaHaye called "The Act of Marriage". This was such an incredible help to us, who understood the mechanics of sex, but didn't know enough about each other nor the importance of it to a marriage (particulary after the hormones slow down).

Just a thought

[Mr. Smith]

What say ye? Does your pastor still preach against sex before dinner? Why are so many falling away and enjoying a little afternoon delight? Is this a sign of the end times?


The other day, CC1 bemoaned the downfall of the forum and blamed DAII and others who have run off the right-wing whackos. But CC1 is wrong. Anyone wanna know why the forum doesn't pack it's previous punch?

We're talking about afternoon sex. CC1? Run off Prax!:lol

[allstate1]

All this sex talk is making me hungry!!

[rgcraig]

The other day, CC1 bemoaned the downfall of the forum and blamed DAII and others who have run off the right-wing whackos. But CC1 is wrong. Anyone wanna know why the forum doesn't pack it's previous punch?

We're talking about afternoon sex. CC1? Run off Prax!:lol

I believe he started it as a parody of sorts to Charnock's thread.

[Mr. Smith]

All this sex talk is making me hungry!!


Makes me wanna smoke a cigarette.

[iceniez]

All this sex talk is making me hungry!!

It's not dinner time yet.

[geekette]

No wonder the world perishes without the saving knowlege of Jesus Christ... so much time is spent preaching such stupid stuff....private life is just that...private...

THIS! THIS! THIS!

When I read the first post in this topic, I burst out laughing. Then I wondered how many posts there'd be before someone popped up with, "I heard this preached...."

[allstate1]

THIS! THIS! THIS!

When I read the first post in this topic, I burst out laughing. Then I wondered how many posts there'd be before someone popped up with, "I heard this preached...."

And is that a problem for you??

[seguidordejesus]

I take it when I can get it. Whatever "it" is.

[allstate1]

I take it when I can get it. Whatever "it" is.

Thats a sin!!!! IT should be mutual!! (TIC)

[Timmy]

How a pastor can read from Genesis to Revelation and come up with that in his message is definitely beyond me...:ursofunny

I guess the sermons would have to be rated PG and PG-13...lol

Or worse. Did they use visual aids? :heeheehee

[DAII]

The other day, CC1 bemoaned the downfall of the forum and blamed DAII and others who have run off the right-wing whackos. But CC1 is wrong. Anyone wanna know why the forum doesn't pack it's previous punch?

We're talking about afternoon sex. CC1? Run off Prax!:lol

Told you it's been FEMINIZED!

Praxeas ... wouldn't have a grip on this conversation anyways ... being happily single.

[iceniez]

Or worse. Did they use visual aids? :heeheehee

:couch

[Mr. Smith]

I believe he started it as a parody of sorts to Charnock's thread.


Yeah, just wait'll you see the parody thread I start on this thread!!!:lol

[BeenThinkin]

Sex before dinner, does God approve? I don't find that to be the problem! Shouldn't this thread read like this instead? .... "Sex before dinner, does SHE approve? :ursofunny

Been Thinkin (I better quit thinkin about this one!)

[ILG]

Have you ever looked at Fox News verses MSN? I find it interesting that on the more "conservative" website, there is more stuff about Pop Tarts and porn stars and the "sexpert" and all that stuff.

Made me think of it when I read this title.

[Sister Alvear]

Sister, I agree with you 99% of the time, but I would have to disagree with you on this point. We have a horrible lack of knowledge in the church regarding sex. When my husband and I got married, we were recommended a book (whispered) by a friend by Tim LaHaye called "The Act of Marriage". This was such an incredible help to us, who understood the mechanics of sex, but didn't know enough about each other nor the importance of it to a marriage (particulary after the hormones slow down).

Just a thought

yes I agree we need teaching in churches in all areas and I have bought hundreds of marriage books for our couples here in Brazil...but there is a time and place for it...in fact I do lots of seminars here in Brazil on such subjects but I don't think some statements should be used before the whole church...Can you imagine reading The Act of Marriage before the church on Sunday Nights....
that is what I am trying to express...
I am all the way for helping people and my laptop is full of things I have done for classes.
However I have been in services when statements were made...a woman's place is in the bedroom....and all kinds of foolish things.

I think (this is only a personal opinion) that there is far too much ignorance in Pentecost...

I paid a woman doctor to come talk to my ladies...of course in some circles I would be crucified...especially since she was not a Pentecostal...however my ladies did not need a Pentecostal they needed some advice from a doctor...

I hope I am making sense....

[Sister Alvear]

by the way the book, The Act of Marriage is in Portuguese and it is awesome...

[TJJJ]

Aghast...................!


Sinners and reprobates!!!!!!


How unholy and wrong you peoples are!!!!

Why, using the S** word to try to get our attention!

I had to read the article three times to make sure what you were talking about!





Bwahahahahaha

[rgcraig]

Sister, I agree with you 99% of the time, but I would have to disagree with you on this point. We have a horrible lack of knowledge in the church regarding sex. When my husband and I got married, we were recommended a book (whispered) by a friend by Tim LaHaye called "The Act of Marriage". This was such an incredible help to us, who understood the mechanics of sex, but didn't know enough about each other nor the importance of it to a marriage (particulary after the hormones slow down).

Just a thought

I think she was referring to the stupid things that were being preached like no sex in the daylight and only certain positions.

Plus - I'm not sure I think sex needs to be "preached" about, but more in a teaching/learning enviornment in classes - - not to the whole church on Sunday.

Bad example - - pastor here in Memphis set up a bedroom on the platform, wore his silk pj's and his wife came in wearing her bedroom attire - - he got pretty plain with the folks, but it was SUNDAY MORNING.....

[rgcraig]

yes I agree we need teaching in churches in all areas and I have bought hundreds of marriage books for our couples here in Brazil...but there is a time and place for it...in fact I do lots of seminars here in Brazil on such subjects but I don't think some statements should be used before the whole church...Can you imagine reading The Act of Marriage before the church on Sunday Nights....
that is what I am trying to express...
I am all the way for helping people and my laptop is full of things I have done for classes.
However I have been in services when statements were made...a woman's place is in the bedroom....and all kinds of foolish things.

I think (this is only a personal opinion) that there is far too much ignorance in Pentecost...

I paid a woman doctor to come talk to my ladies...of course in some circles I would be crucified...especially since she was not a Pentecostal...however my ladies did not need a Pentecostal they needed some advice from a doctor...

I hope I am making sense....You are making perfect sense and I agree with you. It's good, but in a proper setting, announced and more teaching - not just sprinkled in the middle of sermons.

[nwlife]

You may have started this as a joke but I have heard sex in daylight actually preached against!!!!!

Being single, I just have to ask the question, though embarrassing it might be,


*ahem* are you ready for it?

*ahem*

my question is, just how ugly was the preacher's wife?


and now away I run to hide from the turmoil my sense of humor is likely to bring! :spirit

[TJJJ]

i think she was referring to the stupid things that were being preached like no sex in the daylight and only certain positions.

Plus - i'm not sure i think sex needs to be "preached" about, but more in a teaching/learning enviornment in classes - - not to the whole church on sunday.

Bad example - - pastor here in memphis set up a bedroom on the platform, wore his silk pj's and his wife came in wearing her bedroom attire - - he got pretty plain with the folks, but it was sunday morning.....

no way!!!!

Tell me you are kidding!!!!

[BeenThinkin]

Being single, I just have to ask the question, though embarrassing it might be,


*ahem* are you ready for it?

*ahem*

my question is, just how ugly was the preacher's wife?


and now away I run to hide from the turmoil my sense of humor is likely to bring! :spirit



:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

BeenThinkin

[rgcraig]

Being single, I just have to ask the question, though embarrassing it might be,


*ahem* are you ready for it?

*ahem*

my question is, just how ugly was the preacher's wife?


and now away I run to hide from the turmoil my sense of humor is likely to bring! :spirit

LOLOLOLOL:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

[BeenThinkin]

LOLOLOLOL:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny



Renda... what does LOLOLOLOL stand for?

Laugh out loud, out loud, out loud, out loud? LOL :ursofunny

Been Thinkin OL (out loud)

[Pro31:28]

yes I agree we need teaching in churches in all areas and I have bought hundreds of marriage books for our couples here in Brazil...but there is a time and place for it...in fact I do lots of seminars here in Brazil on such subjects but I don't think some statements should be used before the whole church...Can you imagine reading The Act of Marriage before the church on Sunday Nights....
that is what I am trying to express...
I am all the way for helping people and my laptop is full of things I have done for classes.
However I have been in services when statements were made...a woman's place is in the bedroom....and all kinds of foolish things.

I think (this is only a personal opinion) that there is far too much ignorance in Pentecost...

I paid a woman doctor to come talk to my ladies...of course in some circles I would be crucified...especially since she was not a Pentecostal...however my ladies did not need a Pentecostal they needed some advice from a doctor...

I hope I am making sense....

YAY~! So I DO agree with you on this too!
My MIL (history In Pentecost) didn't feel like it should be talked about at all, except between a husband and wife, "you can figure it out.." she said
During our ONE pre marital counseling appointment the pastor said something to the extent of, "he has needs, you need to meet them"...
This is what i am referring to- cetrainly not on Sunday morning, but people should know as much as possible in order to have fulfilling and enriching marriages, and families

[rgcraig]

Renda... what does LOLOLOLOL stand for?

Laugh out loud, out loud, out loud, out loud? LOL :ursofunny

Been Thinkin OL (out loud)

It just means I laughed out loud for a long time - not just a short laugh.

Kinda like oh or oooooooh - - short oh or long oh!

:bliss

[rgcraig]

no way!!!!

Tell me you are kidding!!!!

Nope. I posted the link on here one time. Let me see if I can find it again.

Causes all sorts of ruckus around here!

[Timmy]

I think she was referring to the stupid things that were being preached like no sex in the daylight and only certain positions.

Plus - I'm not sure I think sex needs to be "preached" about, but more in a teaching/learning enviornment in classes - - not to the whole church on Sunday.

Bad example - - pastor here in Memphis set up a bedroom on the platform, wore his silk pj's and his wife came in wearing her bedroom attire - - he got pretty plain with the folks, but it was SUNDAY MORNING.....

:blink

Nothing surprises me, anymore.

:toofunny

I was wrong!

:ursofunny

[rgcraig]

:blink



I was wrong!

:ursofunny

:spit

[MissBrattified]

yes I agree we need teaching in churches in all areas and I have bought hundreds of marriage books for our couples here in Brazil...but there is a time and place for it...in fact I do lots of seminars here in Brazil on such subjects but I don't think some statements should be used before the whole church...Can you imagine reading The Act of Marriage before the church on Sunday Nights....
that is what I am trying to express...
I am all the way for helping people and my laptop is full of things I have done for classes.
However I have been in services when statements were made...a woman's place is in the bedroom....and all kinds of foolish things.

I think (this is only a personal opinion) that there is far too much ignorance in Pentecost...

I paid a woman doctor to come talk to my ladies...of course in some circles I would be crucified...especially since she was not a Pentecostal...however my ladies did not need a Pentecostal they needed some advice from a doctor...

I hope I am making sense....

That's excellent, Sister A. :thumbsup

You are making perfect sense and I agree with you. It's good, but in a proper setting, announced and more teaching - not just sprinkled in the middle of sermons.

Yeah...I don't really want my children having sex ed on Sunday mornings, and I don't want to endure blunt comments in a mixed crowd. However, the occasional casual reference to a healthy sex life doesn't hurt anyone--just as long as it doesn't get explicit.

Being single, I just have to ask the question, though embarrassing it might be,


*ahem* are you ready for it?

*ahem*

my question is, just how ugly was the preacher's wife?


and now away I run to hide from the turmoil my sense of humor is likely to bring! :spirit

That is just BAD, nwlife. You should be ASHAMED! :toofunny

[BeenThinkin]

It just means I laughed out loud for a long time - not just a short laugh.

Kinda like oh or oooooooh - - short oh or long oh!

:bliss



Oh! ooooooooooooooh

lolololololololololololo

Just trying to get everyone's mind off of sex. I think I'll go read the Song of Solomon!


BT

[MissBrattified]

I think she was referring to the stupid things that were being preached like no sex in the daylight and only certain positions.

Plus - I'm not sure I think sex needs to be "preached" about, but more in a teaching/learning enviornment in classes - - not to the whole church on Sunday.

Bad example - - pastor here in Memphis set up a bedroom on the platform, wore his silk pj's and his wife came in wearing her bedroom attire - - he got pretty plain with the folks, but it was SUNDAY MORNING.....

I heard about that...(I think I might have watched a youtube clip, but I don't remember for sure). Two things:

1. Kudos for trying to address the issue, but
2. It was in REALLY bad taste.

I'm sure there were a lot of really uncomfortable people in that crowd--people who didn't EVER want to think about their pastor and his wife, well...in that light. :blink

[iceniez]

:blink



I was wrong!

:ursofunny

Of course it was not a UPC church............................................ ........................................PJ's are not allowed on the platform.

[rgcraig]

http://thadmatthews.blogspot.com/2007/12/pastor-ar-williams-shows-woman-of-his.html

Sunday, December 09, 2007

Pastor A.R. Williams Shows The Women Of His Church 'How to Keep Their Husbands So The Hoe Don't Get Him'

Members of World Overcomers were shocked on last Sunday morning when they entered the place where they assemble to worship God. In the pulpit was a Queen sized bed draped in burgundy and gold.

Members were wondering why the place that normally Pastor Alton R. Williams preaches the word of God from had turned into a large bedroom, when he entered wearing a robe and pajama pants with his bible in hand. the lights are dimmed, mode music is playing,Williams at this point lays on the bed reading from the Songs of Solomon.

While still reading the bible his wife Sherrilyn enters the sanctuary wearing a long red feathered seductive fitting gown. Mrs. Williams very seductively walks across the pulpit turn bedroom and sits on the bed next to her husband. She closes his bible and begins to rub on him, and then lefts him from the bed and very passionately embraces and kisses him. Pastor Williams whose Sunday morning freak session is designed to save marriages tells the women in the congregation 'This is how to keep your husband so the Hoe don't get him'.

In my opinion A.R. Williams has gone to far, the pastor who spent $260,000 to build a statue that reminds you of the Statue Of Liberty has lost his God focus and now become an entertainer willing to do anything to keep fleecing his flock of their money so that he can continue to live his luxury lifestyle.

In a time that people in the community need the Word of God for deliverance from their plights by allowing the word to get them up and motivated to make changes in their lives, this fool wants to hold Sunday morning sex classes. What about salvation and the saving of souls? I guess with New Directions Church being less than a mile away Williams is losing members which means that he is losing dollars.

[rgcraig]

Of course it was not a UPC church............................................ ........................................PJ's are not allowed on the platform.

Oh, she wasn't in PJ's.......

[iceniez]

Oh, she wasn't in PJ's.......

I read that.......... but I was trying to be funny.

[berkeley]

I'm sure they did.

I know there have been pastors to preach only certain positions were acceptable.

That Mother's Day sermon in 2005? 2006??

[seekerman]

You may have started this as a joke but I have heard sex in daylight actually preached against!!!!!

It's ok if you keep your eyes closed.

[Truthseeker]

You may have started this as a joke but I have heard sex in daylight actually preached against!!!!!

Wow!! That's as bad as the guy preaching against cereal.

[rgcraig]

Wow!! That's as bad as the guy preaching against cereal.

Okay, now I really need to hear this one.

[allstate1]

Okay, now I really need to hear this one.

OH MY!! I am doomed!!

[Truthseeker]

http://thadmatthews.blogspot.com/2007/12/pastor-ar-williams-shows-woman-of-his.html

Sunday, December 09, 2007

Pastor A.R. Williams Shows The Women Of His Church 'How to Keep Their Husbands So The Hoe Don't Get Him'

Members of World Overcomers were shocked on last Sunday morning when they entered the place where they assemble to worship God. In the pulpit was a Queen sized bed draped in burgundy and gold.

Members were wondering why the place that normally Pastor Alton R. Williams preaches the word of God from had turned into a large bedroom, when he entered wearing a robe and pajama pants with his bible in hand. the lights are dimmed, mode music is playing,Williams at this point lays on the bed reading from the Songs of Solomon.

While still reading the bible his wife Sherrilyn enters the sanctuary wearing a long red feathered seductive fitting gown. Mrs. Williams very seductively walks across the pulpit turn bedroom and sits on the bed next to her husband. She closes his bible and begins to rub on him, and then lefts him from the bed and very passionately embraces and kisses him. Pastor Williams whose Sunday morning freak session is designed to save marriages tells the women in the congregation 'This is how to keep your husband so the Hoe don't get him'.

In my opinion A.R. Williams has gone to far, the pastor who spent $260,000 to build a statue that reminds you of the Statue Of Liberty has lost his God focus and now become an entertainer willing to do anything to keep fleecing his flock of their money so that he can continue to live his luxury lifestyle.

In a time that people in the community need the Word of God for deliverance from their plights by allowing the word to get them up and motivated to make changes in their lives, this fool wants to hold Sunday morning sex classes. What about salvation and the saving of souls? I guess with New Directions Church being less than a mile away Williams is losing members which means that he is losing dollars.

What a joke.

[ILG]

Have you ever looked at Fox News verses MSN? I find it interesting that on the more "conservative" website, there is more stuff about Pop Tarts and porn stars and the "sexpert" and all that stuff.

Made me think of it when I read this title.

Sometimes, I feel invisible.:blah

[Truthseeker]

My wife and I are reading "His needs her needs" together. bought at a gaeage sale for about 25 cents or so. We are enjoying it, gives us a discussion point.

[Ferd]

What say ye? Does your pastor still preach against sex before dinner? Why are so many falling away and enjoying a little afternoon delight? Is this a sign of the end times?

I have not read a single thing in this thread other than this opening post.

I can only imagine what has caused it to blow up to 8 pages so quickly...

but to answer your question....


It all depends on what is for dinner!

[allstate1]

I have not read a single thing in this thread other than this opening post.

I can only imagine what has caused it to blow up to 8 pages so quickly...

but to answer your question....


It all depends on what is for dinner!

Or dessert!!! LOL

[rgcraig]

I have not read a single thing in this thread other than this opening post.

I can only imagine what has caused it to blow up to 8 pages so quickly...

but to answer your question....


It all depends on what is for dinner!

I love you Ferd! That was priceless!!

[Sister Alvear]

pot roast....:ursofunny

[Sam]

In LA. some preachers still think a red dress is a sin!!!!!

why would you possibly think it is not?

[Hoovie]

Sometimes, I feel invisible.:blah

You are not, but am I the only one that feels a wee bit uncomfortable with the thread title and content?

[SRM]

What say ye? Does your pastor still preach against sex before dinner? Why are so many falling away and enjoying a little afternoon delight? Is this a sign of the end times?

What goes on IN the bedroom is nobodys biz..including the pastors. :)

[Maximilian]

Its been a few years ago but I can remeber tha basic point was not fullfilling the lust of the eye. The old men arevisual thing was used. " If a man wants to have sex in the daylight or with the lights on he is doing it in order to see your nakedness and is fulfilling the lust of the eye instaed of out of love"! This was adressed to the married women!

Nah... :nah

[Maximilian]

What goes on IN the bedroom is nobodys biz..including the pastors. :)

Western culture? In some cultures, I've heard of brothers who ask the others how marriage is going and specifically will ask about sex. They say this is living in perfect community, respecting but also completely trusting one another. So is your opinion an absolute or could this be cultural? The group I have in mind think this is a Gospel issue, and think those who keep everything to themselves are not fully living Gospeled lives. Imagine that :)

[Maximilian]

My wife and I are reading "His needs her needs" together. bought at a gaeage sale for about 25 cents or so. We are enjoying it, gives us a discussion point.

:ursofunny

[Mr. Smith]

Western culture? In some cultures, I've heard of brothers who ask the others how marriage is going and specifically will ask about sex. They say this is living in perfect community, respecting but also completely trusting one another. So is your opinion an absolute or could this be cultural? The group I have in mind think this is a Gospel issue, and think those who keep everything to themselves are not fully living Gospeled lives. Imagine that :)



So let's talk about it. You first. How's your sex life?

[Maximilian]

How about those couples who believed they were supposed to talk in tongues and "make love in the Spirit" their first time. I know this couple! As Martin Lawrence used to say "Deeee-rraaaaaaaaaaanged."

[Maximilian]

So let's talk about it. You first. How's your sex life?

I'm not in community with you, though I do respect and think well of you :)

And... I'm not sure AFF is the correct place.

But, to generally answer the question: GRRRRRRRREAT :thumbsup

[Scott Hutchinson]

The bed is to be undefiled,I read nothing about what time day or night though.

[Praxeas]

As I suspected. This forum should change it's name to Reprobates Friends Forum. You all are a bunch of heathens and Trinitarian lovers

[Scott Hutchinson]

Well Prax you asked the sex question ?

[Mr. Smith]

I'm not in community with you, though I do respect and think well of you :)

And... I'm not sure AFF is the correct place.

But, to generally answer the question: GRRRRRRRREAT :thumbsup


:lol

[Michael]

Years ago I was at a youth camp and we broke out into two groups, young ladies went in their class and young men in ours. The speaker of the young men talked to us about marriage and the marriage bed....Said all was fair game except anal-sex, I couldn't believe it! We asked the girls what was their topic? Shopping!?!

[Praxeas]

Years ago I was at a youth camp and we broke out into two groups, young ladies went in their class and young men in ours. The speaker of the young men talked to us about marriage and the marriage bed....Said all was fair game except anal-sex, I couldn't believe it! We asked the girls what was their topic? Shopping!?!
So..someone forgot to tell the ladies anything goes eh?

[Michael]

So..someone forgot to tell the ladies anything goes eh?

You're tooooo much!:ursofunny

[iceniez]

Sometimes, I feel invisible.:blah

Why did that make you think of that ?

[Socialite]

Years ago I was at a youth camp and we broke out into two groups, young ladies went in their class and young men in ours. The speaker of the young men talked to us about marriage and the marriage bed....Said all was fair game except anal-sex, I couldn't believe it! We asked the girls what was their topic? Shopping!?!

Not to be uncouth about it, but why the exception here? I mean, it's not my concern, but curious why they feel the Bible makes an exception in the wedding bed activity on this manner?

I bet the speaker did talk about the one sexual topic all teenagers at youth camp have on their mind either.... the forbidden subject....

[Timmy]

Did you know that whatever you do in dreams, you will do in real life? Yup. Preacher at youth camp told us that.

:toofunny

[allstate1]

Did you know that whatever you do in dreams, you will do in real life? Yup. Preacher at youth camp told us that.

:toofunny

Good Lord I hope so!!!!!!!

[Maximilian]

Timmy, that's pretty funny.

Out of the abudance of the dream, the heart thinks? Maybe truth to that?

Allstate, not sure I'd WANT all those dreams to come to pass.

[Praxeas]

Sometimes, I feel invisible.:blah
Did anyone hear that? I think Im hearing voices. Where's Timmy when you need him?

[Esther]

why would you possibly think it is not?

Serious?

[Esther]

Did anyone hear that? I think Im hearing voices. Where's Timmy when you need him?

Well ask one of the voices if you are or not. :ursofunny

[Jermyn Davidson]

I'm sure they did.

I know there have been pastors to preach only certain positions were acceptable.

I remember when I first someone suggest something like that-- I was so sad and then I became angry.

Now I focus on today and attempting to remain sexually pure-- forgetting the past and all of its destructiveness (to include bad doctrines).

[Michael]

Not to be uncouth about it, but why the exception here? I mean, it's not my concern, but curious why they feel the Bible makes an exception in the wedding bed activity on this manner?

I bet the speaker did talk about the one sexual topic all teenagers at youth camp have on their mind either.... the forbidden subject....



The idea was about God being against "Sodom," and the sexual act is called sodomy...

[ILG]

You are not, but am I the only one that feels a wee bit uncomfortable with the thread title and content?

No, I am a bit uncomfortable, which is why I posted about fox news (conservatives) posting more sex stuff than MSN. Kind of ironic. On the flipside, conservatives get so much negative press about sex, I wouldn't want to kabosh all sex talk either. Still, I think the repression causes kind of a funny backlash.

[ILG]

Why did that make you think of that ?

Because sometimes it seems like conservatives (not religious but all conservatives) get hung up on sex.

[ILG]

Did anyone hear that? I think Im hearing voices. Where's Timmy when you need him?

Hardy har har. :razz

[iceniez]

Because sometimes it seems like conservatives (not religious but all conservatives) get hung up on sex.

I can agree with that.

[Pro31:28]

Because sometimes it seems like conservatives (not religious but all conservatives) get hung up on sex.

Well I think if comes down to the fact that, like eating, most adults are doing it. Some people have a problem with it (Overeating/porn/adultery, ect), and there are very few issues that touch ALL people. Religion doesn't, being rich or poor doesn't, the environment doesn't- so if you are trying to reach a majority of your audience, it only makes sense to use information, and headlines that grab a majority of people.

Just a thought

[Sam]

sex before dinner,
after dinner,
during dinner,
instead of dinner,
any time is all right in my opinion.

In my opinion Hebrews 13:4 says that marriage is honorable but adultery/infidelity is wrong. It also says that the marriage bed is undefiled. In my opinion that means that whatever two consenting marriage partners do is OK and it is none of my business and we all should stay out of their bedroom and leave them alone.

[iceniez]

sex before dinner,
after dinner,
during dinner,
instead of dinner,
any time is all right in my opinion.

In my opinion Hebrews 13:4 says that marriage is honorable but adultery/infidelity is wrong. It also says that the marriage bed is undefiled. In my opinion that means that whatever two consenting marriage partners do is OK and it is none of my business and we all should stay out of their bedroom and leave them alone.

And dessert.

[Socialite]

The idea was about God being against "Sodom," and the sexual act is called sodomy...

I thought the sexual indecency was homosexual sex.

I wouldn't think God has something against that part of the body. (I do, but I wouldn't think God does).

The "sin of Sodom" has been long speculated.

[ILG]

Well I think if comes down to the fact that, like eating, most adults are doing it. Some people have a problem with it (Overeating/porn/adultery, ect), and there are very few issues that touch ALL people. Religion doesn't, being rich or poor doesn't, the environment doesn't- so if you are trying to reach a majority of your audience, it only makes sense to use information, and headlines that grab a majority of people.

Just a thought

Is that why there seems to be more of it on fox news than on MSN?

[Sam]

I thought the sexual indecency was homosexual sex.

I wouldn't think God has something against that part of the body. (I do, but I wouldn't think God does).

The "sin of Sodom" has been long speculated.

The sin of Sodom is spelled out in Ezekiel 16:47-51.
The sexual term we designate as "sodomy" was just one of several wrongs.

[coadie]

I thought the sexual indecency was homosexual sex.

I wouldn't think God has something against that part of the body. (I do, but I wouldn't think God does).

The "sin of Sodom" has been long speculated.

It was called Sodomy. The abomination part is described and the pride, haughtiness, and others issues were in addition to the sodomy.


Most commentators and language scholars recognize this feature of Jude’s remark, as evinced by their treatment of Jude 7. For example, the New Analytical Greek Lexicon defines heteros in Jude 7 as “illicit” (Perschbacher, 1990, p. 177). Williams identified “strange flesh” as “unnatural vice” (1960, p. 1023). Barclay wrote: “What the men of Sodom were bent on was unnatural sexual intercourse, homosexual intercourse, with Lot’s two visitors. They were bent on sodomy, the word in which their sin is dreadfully commemorated” (1958, p. 218). Alford correctly translated the Greek as “other flesh,” and defined the phrase as “[other] than that appointed by God for the fulfillment of natural desire” (1875, 4:533

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2596

[coadie]

Years ago I was at a youth camp and we broke out into two groups, young ladies went in their class and young men in ours. The speaker of the young men talked to us about marriage and the marriage bed....Said all was fair game except anal-sex, I couldn't believe it! We asked the girls what was their topic? Shopping!?!

Saks

[Michael]

sex before dinner,
after dinner,
during dinner,
instead of dinner,
any time is all right in my opinion.

In my opinion Hebrews 13:4 says that marriage is honorable but adultery/infidelity is wrong. It also says that the marriage bed is undefiled. In my opinion that means that whatever two consenting marriage partners do is OK and it is none of my business and we all should stay out of their bedroom and leave them alone.

The marriage bed, but what about the dinner table or say the living room? Is that undefiled?

[Michael]

Saks

Yeah, it was all about looking beautiful....And giving God your best, which I agree, but I think the topic should have been something else....Nothing about sex though.

[Michael]

I thought the sexual indecency was homosexual sex.

I wouldn't think God has something against that part of the body. (I do, but I wouldn't think God does).

The "sin of Sodom" has been long speculated.

I don't know, I see it as an "exit" not an "entrance." I don't believe God intended that part of the human anatomy to be used for sexual activity. Animals don't even go there...

[Sam]

The marriage bed, but what about the dinner table or say the living room? Is that undefiled?

yeppers

don't know about the front porch, or the back yard, or the swimming pool though,
guess it depends on how private it is..

[Michael]

yeppers

don't know about the front porch, or the back yard, or the swimming pool though,
guess it depends on how private it is..

:bliss:yourock:clap:yahoo:woohoo:happydance:party: amen:naughty

[Michael]

Sam, what is your take on the story of Ruth....Where she goes to Boaz and uncovers his feet, while he was sleeping? This same speaker had a interpritation I had never heard...And lets just say it was like a Bill Clinton story....

[Sam]

Sam, what is your take on the story of Ruth....Where she goes to Boaz and uncovers his feet, while he was sleeping? This same speaker had a interpritation I had never heard...And lets just say it was like a Bill Clinton story....

I honestly don't know what happened that night between them on the threshing floor. I don't read Hebrew so I don't know what the original says and the KJV would be careful how it is stated because of the morality of the that period when it was translated.

[crakjak]

There is a book out called, "Sex Begins in the Kitchen", those interested in this thread should read it, it is actually very good. LOL

[Maximilian]

I honestly don't know what happened that night between them on the threshing floor. I don't read Hebrew so I don't know what the original says and the KJV would be careful how it is stated because of the morality of the that period when it was translated.

That's a bold assumption that KJV interpreters would have "covered" for God in areas they disagreed with morally. I wonder if they included David and Bathsheba's indiscretion?

[Praxeas]

3:4 uncover his feet: Ruth would remove the edge of Boaz’s outer garment from his feet and lie down by his uncovered feet. Touching and holding his feet was an act of submission. This was a daring and dramatic action that would call for a decision on his part to be her protector—and, likely, her husband.

Radmacher, E. D., Allen, R. B., & House, H. W. (1997). The Nelson study Bible : New King James Version (Ru 3:4). Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers.


Some commentators suggest that what Ruth did presented an opportunity for immorality. But nothing in the passage supports this. Her mother-in-law had complete confidence in the integrity of the kinsman-redeemer. Boaz could be trusted to act responsibly. And Ruth was recognized by everyone as “a woman of noble character” (v. 11). The uncovering of the feet was a ceremonial act that was completely proper. Probably the scene took place in the dark so that Boaz had the opportunity to reject the proposal without the whole town knowing about it.

Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., & Dallas Theological Seminary. (1983-). The Bible knowledge commentary : An exposition of the scriptures (Ru 3:7). Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.

[Maximilian]

The sin of Sodom is spelled out in Ezekiel 16:47-51.
The sexual term we designate as "sodomy" was just one of several wrongs.

Not reading anywhere in hear any prohibition about any kind of husband/wife sex:

"'The sin of your sister Sodom was this: She lived with her daughters in the lap of luxury—proud, gluttonous, and lazy. They ignored the oppressed and the poor. They put on airs and lived obscene lives. And you know what happened: I did away with them

Even KJV, ESV and NIV don't render any specific kind of sex act.

'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. 51 Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. 52 Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

(Amazingly, God says Israel's sin here was far worse!)

[Socialite]

It was called Sodomy. The abomination part is described and the pride, haughtiness, and others issues were in addition to the sodomy.


Most commentators and language scholars recognize this feature of Jude’s remark, as evinced by their treatment of Jude 7. For example, the New Analytical Greek Lexicon defines heteros in Jude 7 as “illicit” (Perschbacher, 1990, p. 177). Williams identified “strange flesh” as “unnatural vice” (1960, p. 1023). Barclay wrote: “What the men of Sodom were bent on was unnatural sexual intercourse, homosexual intercourse, with Lot’s two visitors. They were bent on sodomy, the word in which their sin is dreadfully commemorated” (1958, p. 218). Alford correctly translated the Greek as “other flesh,” and defined the phrase as “[other] than that appointed by God for the fulfillment of natural desire” (1875, 4:533

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2596

Homosexual intercourse seems to be what's in mind here, even in your commentary of Jude.

Don't see an appointed hole here.... sorry. If that's unnatural and defiled for a wedding couple, so is oral sex.

[Socialite]

I don't know, I see it as an "exit" not an "entrance." I don't believe God intended that part of the human anatomy to be used for sexual activity. Animals don't even go there...

Animals don't??? You sure about that??

Either way, what you feel is not necessarily a reality.

If God has designated areas for sexuality, then you better not be a Monica Lewisnky-ite in your marriage bed either. And there goes much of foreplay as well.

Furthermore, tell that to the centuries of Greek culture that valued that in the marriage bed.

[Praxeas]

Not reading anywhere in hear any prohibition about any kind of husband/wife sex:

"'The sin of your sister Sodom was this: She lived with her daughters in the lap of luxury—proud, gluttonous, and lazy. They ignored the oppressed and the poor. They put on airs and lived obscene lives. And you know what happened: I did away with them

Even KJV, ESV and NIV don't render any specific kind of sex act.

'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. 51 Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. 52 Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

(Amazingly, God says Israel's sin here was far worse!)

It doesn't mention the specific crimes but we know they were abominations
Eze 16:50 They were haughty and committed abominable crimes before me. So, when I saw it, I removed them.

Abominations include homosexual behavior under the law

[Sam]

That's a bold assumption that KJV interpreters would have "covered" for God in areas they disagreed with morally. I wonder if they included David and Bathsheba's indiscretion?

Yes, they did include David and Bathsheba's indiscretion.
And they did include the Song of Solomon.

All I'm saying is that they were influenced by the time in which they lived and also they had to keep that new translation acceptable for public reading in the Anglican Church. So they included the English phrase "God save the King" because that is what was spoken at the coronation of English kings, they used the word "church" instead of assembly because the Bible was to be read in Anglican Churches, and they used the words "baptize" and "baptism" instead of immerse or dip or plunge into or plunge under because "baptism" was a liturgical word for a specific religious act.

Several times the term "uncover nakedness" is used for sexual activity.

What I was trying to say is that the Hebrew may have said that Ruth crept onto the threshing floor and lay at Boaz's feet and he actually did spread his cloak over her to cover her up just for warmth. I don't know if she crawled up on him and began to hug around on him or not and he spread his blanket/cloak over her for privacy. They may or may not have had sexual activity. I don't honestly know. The Hebrew may have been referring to a custom from 1000 BC that the scholars of 1600 AD did not understand.

[Sam]

...
Abominations include homosexual behavior under the law

Abominations under the law also included idolatrous practices, certain foods, blemished animals offered as sacrifices, remarrying an ex-wife, incorrect weights and measures, etc

[Socialite]

I wasn't defending homosexual relations. I was questioning the possible homophobic assumptions that a specific act between a man and his wife are "abominable" or even "the sin of Sodom."

Boy, this post may convince the Admin to start a Rating on each post! Ha! Definitely more PG here.

[Michael]

I wasn't defending homosexual relations. I was questioning the possible homophobic assumptions that a specific act between a man and his wife are "abominable" or even "the sin of Sodom."

Boy, this post may convince the Admin to start a Rating on each post! Ha! Definitely more PG here.

Homophobic???? Who fears them????

Just like Islamophobia....Who fears islam???

:snapout

[Socialite]

Homophobic???? Who fears them????

Just like Islamophobia....Who fears islam???

:snapout

Yes, Homophobic.

Look it up. Maybe the definition will help you understand.

DEFINITION
....a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people who are identified as or perceived as being homosexual. Generally refer to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear. Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior...

[Michael]

Yes, Homophobic.

Look it up. Maybe the definition will help you understand.

DEFINITION
....a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people who are identified as or perceived as being homosexual. Generally refer to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear. Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior...

You're sooooooo smart!:ursofunny:neener:blah:ursofunny

Homo=The word homo is Latin, in the original sense of "human being", or "man" (in the gender-neutral sense). The word "human" itself is from Latin humanus, an adjective cognate to homo, both thought to derive from a Proto-Indo-European word for "earth" reconstructed as *dhǵhem-.[3]



Phobic, phobic :fear =A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people.

See I can copy and paste too....:snapout:girlfriend:coffee2

[Socialite]

You're sooooooo smart!:ursofunny:neener:blah:ursofunny

Homo=The word homo is Latin, in the original sense of "human being", or "man" (in the gender-neutral sense). The word "human" itself is from Latin humanus, an adjective cognate to homo, both thought to derive from a Proto-Indo-European word for "earth" reconstructed as *dhǵhem-.[3]



Phobic, phobic :fear =A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people.

See I can copy and paste too....:snapout:girlfriend:coffee2

I'm not too smart, but you sure have a way of sounding ignorant. :thumbsup

Way to break down a word until it's a word that isn't the same as the one we started with.

Do you do this with your exegesis as well? It was quite obvious I copy/pasted that definition, btw. No big guess there. :razz

[Michael]

I'm not too smart, but you sure have a way of sounding ignorant. :thumbsup

Way to break down a word until it's a word that isn't the same as the one we started with.

Do you do this with your exegesis as well? It was quite obvious I copy/pasted that definition, btw. No big guess there. :razz

:violin:violin:violin:tissue:tissue:tissue:tissue

WOW! And you say I have a way of sounding ignorant?????

:ursofunny:ursofunny:neener:blah

:banghead:crazy:uhoh:drama:reaction:coffee2

[Socialite]

:violin:violin:violin:tissue:tissue:tissue:tissue

WOW! And you say I have a way of sounding ignorant?????

:ursofunny:ursofunny:neener:blah

:banghead:crazy:uhoh:drama:reaction:coffee2

You've only proved your skill at clicking on emoticons. Good job, smart guy! :thumbsup

[Michael]

You've only proved your skill at clicking on emoticons. Good job, smart guy! :thumbsup

:neener:neener:neener:blah

[Praxeas]

Abominations under the law also included idolatrous practices, certain foods, blemished animals offered as sacrifices, remarrying an ex-wife, incorrect weights and measures, etc
Right, now go read the story in genesis and see which ones they practiced