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Pro31:28
09-01-2010, 11:23 AM
One of our other threads brought up an interesting topic, my 17 year old son is dating a girl who comes from a conservative (fundamental) Baprist background. They are now at our church and have been for a couple of years. Interestingly enough, her parents do not believe in any kind of birth control (she agrees with them). She is 17, she has a 4 month old brother.

She and my son have been talking about birth control, which has spurred my son into raiding our bookshelf for resources, Evangelical Ethics being one of them. It has become regular dinner time conversation at our house.
I was told by someone that this was entirely inappropriate for teenagers to be discussing topics such as birth control.

Just as an aside- they are not having sex, and the discussion was raised because they were talking about things that would come up if they got married.

What do you think?

OnTheFritz
09-01-2010, 11:25 AM
I think it's very appropriate.

rgcraig
09-01-2010, 11:26 AM
Better to be talking about it at the dinner table than the back seat of a car!

Yes - - I think it's awesome that he feels comfortable enough to discuss with you - wish all kids had that luxury!

OnTheFritz
09-01-2010, 11:29 AM
And when considering marriage with someone down the road, it's important to know what you believe.

MissBrattified
09-01-2010, 11:35 AM
I think it's fine for them to discuss as long as it's an open conversation with parental input welcome. (And it sounds like they're being pretty open.)

Just a random thought - There are lots of good health reasons for not taking the pill or any type of hormone that stops ovulation and menstruation. If your son is going to present a well-rounded argument and form a good opinion, then he needs to also research the physical ramifications for women from taking the pill, injections, etc. on a regular basis. Objecting to "unnatural" birth control isn't just a moral issue.

berkeley
09-01-2010, 11:35 AM
One of our other threads brought up an interesting topic, my 17 year old son is dating a girl who comes from a conservative (fundamental) Baprist background. They are now at our church and have been for a couple of years. Interestingly enough, her parents do not believe in any kind of birth control (she agrees with them). She is 17, she has a 4 month old brother.

She and my son have been talking about birth control, which has spurred my son into raiding our bookshelf for resources, Evangelical Ethics being one of them. It has become regular dinner time conversation at our house.
I was told by someone that this was entirely inappropriate for teenagers to be discussing topics such as birth control.

Just as an aside- they are not having sex, and the discussion was raised because they were talking about things that would come up if they got married.

What do you think?

VERY responsible parenting! :thumbsup

Digging4Truth
09-01-2010, 11:41 AM
Yes... this is entirely inappropriate conversation. You should wait until it is too late and then rail on them about how they should have known better.

TIC of course....

GOOD GRIEF... He's 17... if not now... PLEASE TELL ME WHEN?

I started having these conversations at opportune moments at 12, 13, 14. Conversations about dating, how to treat the other person, things that are important to the other gender, how to be a good boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse... Starting small and working into big stuff.

I'm surprised you could make out the words they were saying with their head in the sand like that.

Pro31:28
09-01-2010, 11:42 AM
I think it's fine for them to discuss as long as it's an open conversation with parental input welcome. (And it sounds like they're being pretty open.)

Just a random thought - There are lots of good health reasons for not taking the pill or any type of hormone that stops ovulation and menstruation. If your son is going to present a well-rounded argument and form a good opinion, then he needs to also research the physical ramifications for women from taking the pill, injections, etc. on a regular basis. Objecting to "unnatural" birth control isn't just a moral issue.

Not just "the pill", they oppose vascectomies and tubal ligations as a form of preventing pregnancy as well... it has become a very interesting topic, especially because we opted to the surgical route 12 years ago

rgcraig
09-01-2010, 11:50 AM
Not just "the pill", they oppose vascectomies and tubal ligations as a form of preventing pregnancy as well... it has become a very interesting topic, especially because we opted to the surgical route 12 years ago

What is their belief? That you shouldn't interfere at all with God's plan to procreate?

Digging4Truth
09-01-2010, 11:50 AM
Not just "the pill", they oppose vascectomies and tubal ligations as a form of preventing pregnancy as well... it has become a very interesting topic, especially because we opted to the surgical route 12 years ago

From this post I picked up on the fact that you are not just (or maybe not at all) talking about you (as parents) talking to your child... but the kids talking to one another about this.

These are signs of a healthy and open line of communication between the two that, should they get married, would offer hope for a good & long lasting union.

Pro31:28
09-01-2010, 11:55 AM
What is their belief? That you shouldn't interfere at all with God's plan to procreate?

Yes, apparently

Pro31:28
09-01-2010, 11:56 AM
From this post I picked up on the fact that you are not just (or maybe not at all) talking about you (as parents) talking to your child... but the kids talking to one another about this.

These are signs of a healthy and open line of communication between the two that, should they get married, would offer hope for a good & long lasting union.

You are correct, the issue was the discussion between the two of them. I would agree with you!!

Praxeas
09-01-2010, 12:23 PM
One of our other threads brought up an interesting topic, my 17 year old son is dating a girl who comes from a conservative (fundamental) Baprist background. They are now at our church and have been for a couple of years. Interestingly enough, her parents do not believe in any kind of birth control (she agrees with them). She is 17, she has a 4 month old brother.

She and my son have been talking about birth control, which has spurred my son into raiding our bookshelf for resources, Evangelical Ethics being one of them. It has become regular dinner time conversation at our house.
I was told by someone that this was entirely inappropriate for teenagers to be discussing topics such as birth control.

Just as an aside- they are not having sex, and the discussion was raised because they were talking about things that would come up if they got married.

What do you think?
I don't see why this is an OFF topic for teenagers. Our teenagers should be taught how to think, reason and study the word.

BTW The bible does not teach against birth control

berkeley
09-01-2010, 12:27 PM
I don't see why this is an OFF topic for teenagers. Our teenagers should be taught how to think, reason and study the word.

BTW The bible does not teach against birth control

Was there birth control in biblical times?

whoami
09-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Yes, apparently


It sounds like they might be part of the Quiverfull movement...

I think that its great that your son is comfortable discussing this with his family. If they're 17, it's not totally unthinkable that they could get married soon (I got married when I was barely 18) so its WAY better that they talk about this now. If he doesn't agree with their thoughts it could be a big deal as there have been plenty of female converts to that movement who just stop birth control due to their convictions, and a husband who was previously satisfied with the size of his family is forced to choose between his marriage bed and an infinite number of children - or having a vasectomy.

Baron1710
09-01-2010, 12:37 PM
Was there birth control in biblical times?


So familiar from pop culture snapshots, that you must concentrate very hard to realize you are looking at his actual 24-carat gold casing. Little Tut took the throne at the ridiculous age of nine in the 14th century and ruled, I understand quite unremarkably, for no more than ten wild years (a shriveled, linen condom, required to keep mistresses from mixing their potential peasant lineage with royal blood, is on display).

http://www.glory-ho.drboudreaux.us/?p=285

Pro31:28
09-01-2010, 12:39 PM
It sounds like they might be part of the Quiverfull movement...

I think that its great that your son is comfortable discussing this with his family. If they're 17, it's not totally unthinkable that they could get married soon (I got married when I was barely 18) so its WAY better that they talk about this now. If he doesn't agree with their thoughts it could be a big deal as there have been plenty of female converts to that movement who just stop birth control due to their convictions, and a husband who was previously satisfied with the size of his family is forced to choose between his marriage bed and an infinite number of children - or having a vasectomy.

You are just plain mean :razz! (We got married at 18 as well... UGH!)

Digging4Truth
09-01-2010, 12:45 PM
You are just plain mean :razz! (We got married at 18 as well... UGH!)

LOL... Well it tends to be a trend that those who wait... don't wait long. :)

MissBrattified
09-01-2010, 12:47 PM
So familiar from pop culture snapshots, that you must concentrate very hard to realize you are looking at his actual 24-carat gold casing. Little Tut took the throne at the ridiculous age of nine in the 14th century and ruled, I understand quite unremarkably, for no more than ten wild years (a shriveled, linen condom, required to keep mistresses from mixing their potential peasant lineage with royal blood, is on display).

http://www.glory-ho.drboudreaux.us/?p=285

I refuse to click that link. :bolt

berkeley
09-01-2010, 12:47 PM
I refuse to click that link. :bolt

There's no pic. lol

whoami
09-01-2010, 12:48 PM
You are just plain mean :razz! (We got married at 18 as well... UGH!)

lol, yeah well... it happens. :neener

rgcraig
09-01-2010, 01:22 PM
I refuse to click that link. :bolt

It's fine.

Ferd
09-01-2010, 02:16 PM
I think i would be more worried if you werent having frank and open conversations with your 17 year old.

Praxeas
09-01-2010, 07:24 PM
Was there birth control in biblical times?
Yes

Hoovie
09-01-2010, 07:41 PM
I think it's fine for them to discuss as long as it's an open conversation with parental input welcome. (And it sounds like they're being pretty open.)

Just a random thought - There are lots of good health reasons for not taking the pill or any type of hormone that stops ovulation and menstruation. If your son is going to present a well-rounded argument and form a good opinion, then he needs to also research the physical ramifications for women from taking the pill, injections, etc. on a regular basis. Objecting to "unnatural" birth control isn't just a moral issue.

Batti our AFF Godess is right on again!

Really are you divine or something? You are right way too often for mortal humanity.

Pro31:28
09-02-2010, 06:04 AM
Yes

Baron addressed this with a link :thumbsup