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Praxeas
09-02-2010, 12:50 PM
Assuming for the sake of argument the planet is generally getting warmer, can our policies reverse this trend? I was listening to a radio talk show quote Boxer (who is facing political trouble here at home with he re-election,thank God). She spouted the usual job killing drivel from the left about how we need to do something about it.

But I was thinking, even if we consider the evidence in favor of global warming, what evidence is there that it's man made or that we can reverse it? It really sounds more like a political issue than a eco issue

coadie
09-02-2010, 01:03 PM
Assuming for the sake of argument the planet is generally getting warmer, can our policies reverse this trend? I was listening to a radio talk show quote Boxer (who is facing political trouble here at home with he re-election,thank God). She spouted the usual job killing drivel from the left about how we need to do something about it.

But I was thinking, even if we consider the evidence in favor of global warming, what evidence is there that it's man made or that we can reverse it? It really sounds more like a political issue than a eco issue

Just vote NO Ma'am.

We do see CO2 levels rising. We have some consensus that temperatures may have risen .6 degrees over the last 100 years.

Weather events remove heat.

Withdrawn
09-02-2010, 01:12 PM
And (hopefully) election events remove Barbara Boxer and the rest of her friends.

Digging4Truth
09-02-2010, 01:18 PM
Nope... the other planets in our solar system are experience rising temperatures as well. There is a perturbation galaxy wide that is causing all the planets to warm. But there aren't politicians on the other planets to take advantage of the fact.

rgcraig
09-02-2010, 01:25 PM
Nope... the other planets in our solar system are experience rising temperatures as well. There is a perturbation galaxy wide that is causing all the planets to warm. But there aren't politicians on the other planets to take advantage of the fact.

We could send Boxer and Al Gore to the other planets to help.

Digging4Truth
09-02-2010, 01:26 PM
We could send Boxer and Al Gore to the other planets to help.

Pelosi too?

I'd pitch in.

Ferd
09-02-2010, 01:50 PM
if we were to assume that Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) was both real and as dangerous as the IPCC says it is, we would have to cut emissions in the developing world by half in the next 5 years, then we would have to stop the developing world from developing.

That means making China, India, Brazil and the rest of the nations that make up 5 billion of the 6 billion people on the planet, stop advancing.

All this would do would slow the growth of CO2 in the atmosphere to a level that it might (MIGHT) stop rising from where it is not. It would not drive the number down from its current level.

However, there is not one single bit of evidence that CO2 is going to cause a crossing of a tipping point where the earths temperature rises to a level that is dangerous for humanity.

Yes CO2 causes some warming. However CO2 only makes up 5% of the greenhouse gas in the Atmosphere. Nearly 94% of green house gas is naturally occurring water vapor. If you take into consideration that the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere is about 380ppm (parts per million) and the level of CO2 at the beginning of the industrial age was 280 ppm, then 74% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is natural and not caused by man. That means that 1.25% of the total green house effect comes from man caused CO2 in the atmosphere!

That is right. we are being told by “scientists” and politicians that 1.25% of the total green house gas effect is going to tip the global climate beyond our ability to cope. Never mind that the models they use to make these predictions all state that we should have crossed that tipping point. That the feed back effect of that small amount of warming would cause a spiral of warming.. and never mind the fact that this has not happened.

1.25% of the total green house gas effect on the planet is (They say) going to drive us over the cliff….


Aint gonna happen folks. Not now. Not ever.

Also physics tells us that CO2’s ability to cause warming is logarithmic. That means that the more you add the less impact it has. The first bit of CO2 has a bigger impact, but eventually you get to a point where adding more Co2 will have no impact. That magic line is around 900 PPM.

coadie
09-02-2010, 01:57 PM
Assuming for the sake of argument the planet is generally getting warmer, can our policies reverse this trend? I was listening to a radio talk show quote Boxer (who is facing political trouble here at home with he re-election,thank God). She spouted the usual job killing drivel from the left about how we need to do something about it.

But I was thinking, even if we consider the evidence in favor of global warming, what evidence is there that it's man made or that we can reverse it? It really sounds more like a political issue than a eco issue

What do these non scientists offer for technical methods of reducing Co2? Plants are fed CO2. It increases plant growth and reduces water consumption.

canam
09-02-2010, 02:54 PM
BOTTOM LINE IS . iF MAN COULD CONTROL THE WEATHER PATTERNS ,WE WOULD. Thankfully we cant.What a mess that would be.

coadie
09-02-2010, 03:00 PM
BOTTOM LINE IS . iF MAN COULD CONTROL THE WEATHER PATTERNS ,WE WOULD. Thankfully we cant.What a mess that would be.

Can't even forecast the weather.
The Met Office in the UK has a new huge computer. They have been wrong on forecasts 10 of the last 10 years. 9 of the years their forecasts were hotter than actual. So much for BBQ summers.

Praxeas
09-02-2010, 04:18 PM
We could send Boxer and Al Gore to the other planets to help.
We do have a working StarGate under cheyanne mountain. Let's do it!

Praxeas
09-02-2010, 04:20 PM
I'll take the bus when Pelosi, Gore and Soros all take busses

Sam
09-02-2010, 09:58 PM
Does any rational person really believe in the Al Gore religious teaching of global warming?

Bowas
09-03-2010, 12:32 AM
Can't even forecast the weather.
The Met Office in the UK has a new huge computer. They have been wrong on forecasts 10 of the last 10 years. 9 of the years their forecasts were hotter than actual. So much for BBQ summers.

Bet that super computer in Belgium we were all terrified of and was preached from many a pulpit, can predict the weather. In fact it can probably make the weather to be whatever it wants it to be. Truth be known, it is probably responsible for global warming all by itself in that it will be an aid to bringing fire from heaven which, if you think about it, would cause global warming.
Hey! Maybe that is what those verses are really saying about the fire falling from heaven, it is really a prophecy of global warming. Hmm, I may be on to something.

coadie
09-03-2010, 05:34 AM
and actually, G. K. Chesterton a great man of letters, who deserves a wider readership, wrote on the subject at the beginning of the dawn of the 20th century:

"The essence of all pantheism, evolutionism, and modern cosmic religion [added environmentalism and global warming here] is really in this proposition: that Nature is our mother. Unfortunately, if you regard Nature as a mother, you discover that she is a step-mother.

Aquila
09-03-2010, 06:19 AM
Assuming that global warming is real (personally, I believe it's happening) I don't believe our efforts can reverse it. I believe that everything is on a schedule. God is in absolute control.

Revelation 16:8-9
{16:8} And the fourth angel poured out his vial
upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men
with fire. {16:9} And men were scorched with great heat,
and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over
these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Truthseeker
09-03-2010, 06:23 AM
I think the global warming thing is a scam.

Digging4Truth
09-03-2010, 06:55 AM
I think the global warming thing is a scam.

I think that the allegations that we had anything to do with it or could change it if we wanted to is a scam. I believe we are experiencing a certain amount of global warming but it is cyclical and galaxy wide. They are just taking a natural phenomenon, blaming it on our actions and using that to demand control.

coadie
09-03-2010, 07:02 AM
I think that the allegations that we had anything to do with it or could change it if we wanted to is a scam. I believe we are experiencing a certain amount of global warming but it is cyclical and galaxy wide. They are just taking a natural phenomenon, blaming it on our actions and using that to demand control.

75% of the billions in India and China cook and heat on fires of coal, charcoal, wood, trash. What will America do about it? The eco terrorist called children parasites.

Truthseeker
09-03-2010, 07:02 AM
I think that the allegations that we had anything to do with it or could change it if we wanted to is a scam. I believe we are experiencing a certain amount of global warming but it is cyclical and galaxy wide. They are just taking a natural phenomenon, blaming it on our actions and using that to demand control.

yeah, it's gonna funny to see the responses when the cycle goes back to colder.

Digging4Truth
09-03-2010, 07:12 AM
yeah, it's gonna funny to see the responses when the cycle goes back to colder.

There will be a reason why that is our fault too...

crakjak
09-03-2010, 08:53 AM
It'll be reversed when the next mini-ice age occurs, according to the tour guides in Alaska, some of the glaciers are receding and some are advancing. And it has to do with the weight and pressure of the ice, not global warming, they are always moving downhill.
O yeah, the glaciers are there due to the past mini-ice age, or normal cyclical temperatures that produce the ice build up.

I don't know, just sharing what we were told. The films we saw blamed global warming, the guides on the ground disagreed. LOL

Aquila
09-03-2010, 08:57 AM
It will be reversed when Jesus comes back. ;)