Race Card Anyone

[Monkeyman]

Mike Vick kills dogs=Prison Term/lengthy NFL suspension
Big Ben rapes girl=reduced suspension to 4 game NFL suspension


The difference? Both qb's, both jerks, one white one black...but I know I know, do NOT play the race card, I've "learned" my place....hahaha, whatever

[Twisp]

Mike Vick kills dogs=Prison Term/lengthy NFL suspension
Big Ben rapes girl=reduced suspension to 4 game NFL suspension


The difference? Both qb's, both jerks, one white one black...but I know I know, do NOT play the race card, I've "learned" my place....hahaha, whatever

Considering that the charges were dropped and Big Ben was not convicted, yeah, it makes sense.

[Monkeyman]

Considering that the charges were dropped and Big Ben was not convicted, yeah, it makes sense.Of course! Lol

[Twisp]

Of course! Lol

Yep.

[Baron1710]

Mike Vick kills dogs=Prison Term/lengthy NFL suspension
Big Ben rapes girl=reduced suspension to 4 game NFL suspension


The difference? Both qb's, both jerks, one white one black...but I know I know, do NOT play the race card, I've "learned" my place....hahaha, whatever

Are you really so blind that you cannot see the difference in criminal penalties and penalties by the league?

Ben wasn't convicted and still was suspended by the league.

I guess in your world we punish people without convicting them and call it equality?

[Monkeyman]

Are you really so blind that you cannot see the difference in criminal penalties and penalties by the league?

Ben wasn't convicted and still was suspended by the league.

I guess in your world we punish people without convicting them and call it equality?

Lol, I knew this would ruffle...nope, I'm not blind.

[Monkeyman]

In my world we should convict equally...

[Timmy]

Of course! Lol

Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxH7JLVdhc

[Monkeyman]

I was "looking" at the bigger picture...

[Monkeyman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxH7JLVdhc
Timmy even tho I don't post much, I like to come back and read...you ALWAYS seem to make me smile, lol. You're the best!

[coadie]

He aborted dogs. What are the people against choice?

[Monkeyman]

Coadie...I even enjoy reading your posts, you're a nut, but a cool one!!

[Timmy]

Timmy even tho I don't post much, I like to come back and read...you ALWAYS seem to make me smile, lol. You're the best!

Awwww, thanks. :)

[allstate1]

This is not a matter of race at all! Its a trend where "animal crimes" are getting more punishable than crimes against humanity!! Pick out crime reports and court records of any ten newspapers and you will see what I mean!!!

[Baron1710]

Shaun Rogers - no suspension for carrying a loaded gun into an airport.

Vince Young - no suspension for punching someone at a strip club.

Vick was actually suspended less time than Big Ben only missing two games after being released from jail.

Dante Stallworth - no suspension after hitting and killing someone while driving under the influence.

[coadie]

Coadie...I even enjoy reading your posts, you're a nut, but a cool one!!

Mike Tiller Vick. The dogs were facing an unhappy life situation.

[Monkeyman]

This is not a matter of race at all! Its a trend where "animal crimes" are getting more punishable than crimes against humanity!! Pick out crime reports and court records of any ten newspapers and you will see what I mean!!!
I understand your point! I believe you're onto something there. Pick out any prison/jail demographic record and you will see what I mean

[Baron1710]

Shaun Rogers - no suspension for carrying a loaded gun into an airport.

Vince Young - no suspension for punching someone at a strip club.

Vick was actually suspended less time than Big Ben only missing two games after being released from jail.

Dante Stallworth - no suspension after hitting and killing someone while driving under the influence.

So apparently being white and not convicted of a crime gets more attention from the league than being black and being convicted. Maybe there is a race element after all.

[Monkeyman]

Shaun Rogers - no suspension for carrying a loaded gun into an airport.

Vince Young - no suspension for punching someone at a strip club.

Vick was actually suspended less time than Big Ben only missing two games after being released from jail.

Dante Stallworth - no suspension after hitting and killing someone while driving under the influence.
Every prison/jail in the U.S. - more minorities

[Monkeyman]

Maybe there is a race element after all.

there you go, you're gotten' it lawyer man! :-)

[Monkeyman]

I gotta run back to work, I'll check in later to see how you all got me straightened out, lol. Peace!

[coadie]

This is not a matter of race at all! Its a trend where "animal crimes" are getting more punishable than crimes against humanity!! Pick out crime reports and court records of any ten newspapers and you will see what I mean!!!

We have a winner. 500 dollar bonus question.
Name the animal rights group.

NEW YORK (AFP) — An animal treatment watchdog group wants disgraced former National Football League star Michael Vick to undergo mental tests before he can be reinstated.

[Baron1710]

Every prison/jail in the U.S. - more minorities

And that means what? A great conclusory statement (though not at all your point in your original post which I dismantled) but proves nothing other than minorities are jailed for committing crimes.

[coadie]

Next race card example

The government has accused Clemens of making false statements (lying)to Congress about his use of performance-enhancing drugs.

On one hand he speaks their language. On the other hand, does congress take performance hindering drugs?

[berkeley]

Every prison/jail in the U.S. - more minorities

Perhaps minorities need to get over their victim complex and live in civil harmony with the rest of us minorities that are considered to be sell-outs.

[berkeley]

Next race card example

The government has accused Clemens of making false statements (lying)to Congress about his use of performance-enhancing drugs.

On one hand he speaks their language. On the other hand, does congress take performance hindering drugs?

:ursofunny

[Digging4Truth]

I don't follow sports in the least. I don't even know these people. The last I heard of Big Ben it was a clock. I actually had to search the names on the internet to see which one was white... although I knew, most assuredly, that one was definitely going to be white.

But... these threads amaze me.

I don't know what the truth is in these cases... (and neither does anyone else here)

But, apparently, it is impossible that BB was not convicted because she lied. These things happen. It must be that the evil white man gets off again.

There are so many possibilities in these scenarios but, apparently, only one is possible per the opening post.

If this is the true take then something needs to be done about it but I'd sure like to see these things presented as a series of possibilities rather than the absolute foregone conclusions they get presented as.

[Truthseeker]

Mike Vick kills dogs=Prison Term/lengthy NFL suspension
Big Ben rapes girl=reduced suspension to 4 game NFL suspension


The difference? Both qb's, both jerks, one white one black...but I know I know, do NOT play the race card, I've "learned" my place....hahaha, whatever

On charged and found guilty, one not charged at all.

[Truthseeker]

Shaun Rogers - no suspension for carrying a loaded gun into an airport.

Vince Young - no suspension for punching someone at a strip club.

Vick was actually suspended less time than Big Ben only missing two games after being released from jail.

Dante Stallworth - no suspension after hitting and killing someone while driving under the influence.

These things are easily unnoticed by race baiters.

[Truthseeker]

Every prison/jail in the U.S. - more minorities

and??

[Sweet Pea]

Monkeyman - I know you very well (or at least at one time, I did) - and yet I am always disappointed when you make so many things about "race". :kickcan

But..... I love you anyway, man! :hug4

[CC1]

Shaun Rogers - no suspension for carrying a loaded gun into an airport.

Vince Young - no suspension for punching someone at a strip club.

Vick was actually suspended less time than Big Ben only missing two games after being released from jail.

Dante Stallworth - no suspension after hitting and killing someone while driving under the influence.

Monkeyperson, I noticed you did not actually respond to the post I am quoting above. It directly contradicts your premise that somehow white NFL players receive better treatment from the league / justice system than black ones.

Of course there are more Black persons in prison in America as they commit the majority of the crimes. Now you can whine that this is because of their plight, that each should receive a Lexus and $100,000 when they turn 18 to make up for the days their great,great,great grandfathers were slaves but you cannot deny the incredibly high percentage of violent crime commited by Blacks. A lot of it black on black crime.

If Black culture embraced education and a work ethic the way the Vietnemese boat people did that came to America with only the shirt on their back then perhaps we wouldn't be seeing approx. 1/3 of Black men 18-25 in jail at some point in time.

Instead their street culture embraces how many women you can have sex with and how many babies you can father without actually being a father to them. This is a broad stroke and there are many exceptions but I am talking about values and trends within a culture.

[coadie]

Add Jesse Jackson’s ride to prominent vehicles being stripped in Detroit.

Following the embarrassing news that Mayor Dave Bing’s GMC Yukon was hijacked by criminals this week, Detroit’s Channel 7 reports that the Reverend’s Caddy Escalade SUV was stolen and stripped of its wheels while he was in town last weekend with the UAW’s militant President Bob King leading the “Jobs, Justice, and Peace” march promoting government-funded green jobs.
Read that again: Jackson’s Caddy SUV was stripped while he was in town promoting green jobs.
Add Jesse to the Al Gore-Tom Friedman-Barack Obama School of Environmental Hypocrisy. While preaching to Americans that they need to cram their families into hybrid Priuses to go shopping for compact fluorescent light bulbs to save the planet, they themselves continue to live large.

Drivin' an Escalade to push green jobs.

[canam]

Leonard Little got away with murder or manslaughter, Kobe Bryant got away with rape. And OJ got away with murder. There are many others . Stop it MM !

[canam]

Drivin' an Escalade to push green jobs.

Gotta love it!!!

[Jermyn Davidson]

I don't follow sports in the least. I don't even know these people. The last I heard of Big Ben it was a clock. I actually had to search the names on the internet to see which one was white... although I knew, most assuredly, that one was definitely going to be white.

But... these threads amaze me.

I don't know what the truth is in these cases... (and neither does anyone else here)

But, apparently, it is impossible that BB was not convicted because she lied. These things happen. It must be that the evil white man gets off again.

There are so many possibilities in these scenarios but, apparently, only one is possible per the opening post.

If this is the true take then something needs to be done about it but I'd sure like to see these things presented as a series of possibilities rather than the absolute foregone conclusions they get presented as.



She did not lie.

There was just not ample "proof" of a CRIME being committed.

The prosecuter in Ben's case said that he would not prosecute someone for being a bad person, but if a law was broken, then he would prosecute (paraphrase).




As for Vick, I do believe that some in the public overreacted to what he was doing. There are folks who get away with so much more, whose actions affect so much more in a much more negative way.

Nevertheless, he was actually warned several times to discontinue his misdeeds and apparently thumbed his nose at the system and the folks who tried to warn him by continuing to break the law.

I didn't feel sorry for Vick at all, but I am glad he did get another chance in the NFL. I was glad to see that day!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Leonard Little got away with murder or manslaughter, Kobe Bryant got away with rape. And OJ got away with murder. There are many others . Stop it MM !

Are you serious?

Are you really, really serious?


The examination did not find sufficient "evidence" of rape. They did find that Kobe's accuser had "male bodily secretions" from 3 different men in her "undergarments" the MORNING AFTER she was supposedly raped!

That was ALL ABOUT GETTING KOBE'S HUSH MONEY! She came to his room at what hour of the night? For what reason? PUH-LEEZE!!!

She got what she deserved and apparently alot more! :)



OJ did not get away with murder-- he's in jail today in part, because of the persistence of that womans family to financially bankrupt OJ and make his life miserable.

In his misery, OJ made some really desperate, and criminal decisions.

[Jermyn Davidson]

As for Leonard Little, I can't speculate because I don't know what the "normal penalty" would be for killing someone while driving drunk. His sentenced seems lighter than what I would think is "right", but his race had nothing to do with it. It was his status, and ultimately, the Grace of God displayed in his life.

Then a couple years later, he is arrested again for DWI, admitted to the cops he was intoxicated and still found, "Not Guilty."

Honestly, I don't understand that at all.

Status should only be able to get you so far.

Actually should be only able ot get you NOWHERE when it comes to the equal enforcement of the law-- however, that's just not the way it is, apparently.

[Truthseeker]

OJ did not get away with murder-- he's in jail today in part, because of the persistence of that womans family to financially bankrupt OJ and make his life miserable.

Are you serious? He's in jail because he was part of holding folks hostage at gun point.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Are you serious? He's in jail because he was part of holding folks hostage at gun point.

The whole thing started because of OJ's LACK of money-- to the point that he had to attempt to "steal" his own stuff back.


That woman's family was ABSOLUTELY THE KEY in creating the circumstances in OJ's life where this could even happen.


So yep, I'm serious and I have facts.

[Monkeyman]

I took a long time to respond because after work I had to prepare for Hurrican Earl...

Sorry folks, we just see things and interpret facts differently...I believe due to our experiences. I don't for a second believe that we minorities that make up 25% of the pop. commit the majority of the crimes to make up 63% of the prison population. (US Census) I don't believe the US justice system prosecutes equally.

I'm not white, republican, nor conservative, so I'll disagree with the majority of the AFF posters political views.

So I've been dismantled & called a race baiter, lol!!! I've been called a lot worse...dirty Mexican, spic, lazy Mexican, wetback, lazy _____ Mexican, many times...too many to count...ur words cannot hurt me or make me see your points of view. I know racism exists in every facet of the United States population including the church. If I had a nick for every time a Christian has said a racial joke to me thinking that I would laugh with them I would be a rich man. I just walk away sad...knowing that nothing will EVER change. Racism is SO rampat it is alarming...I recall the teacher telling my brother that he HAD to take mechanics & wood shop instead of the higher classes so he could get a job more according to his kind...causing my Dad to drive up from LA demanding to see the top dog and the result was my bro graduating from Yale, Duke, and now a prof @ U of Michigan. I can recall taking a pair of shoes into a cobbler to be told that he didn't do that kind of work...only to do it for my wife 2 hours later when she took them in. I can recall the cop pulling his gun on me for no reason. I can recall all 15 minority kids of our choir having to stay in one house while all the white kids went 2 by 2 to other homes. To me, it's always about race, I've experienced bigotry to many times not to form my opinion. Do I hate? No not ever, my Christ suffered much more than I have because of my color...you will never understand where I come from, don't even try, just don't try to make me think like you...

There are as many if not more white people committing crimes...it is just easier to get locked up if you're Black or Latino...it's just the way it is.

[Monkeyman]

Luv ya guys...we're just different

[Fiyahstarter]

I recall the teacher telling my brother that he HAD to take mechanics & wood shop instead of the higher classes so he could get a job more according to his kind...causing my Dad to drive up from LA demanding to see the top dog and the result was my bro graduating from Yale, Duke, and now a prof @ U of Michigan.

????

[Monkeyman]

????
What's ur question...a racist teacher/counselor knowing my brothers awesome grades, still told him that he couldn't take the college prep classes because it was easier for his kind, "Mexicans" to get jobs in those fields so he had to enroll in those mechanic/wood shop courses. My Father came up from his work in So Cal to correct the situation. Did I really need to explain this further, sorry for the confusion. Amos Alonzo Stagg High School Stockton California...I might be able to get the counsellors name if I need to...

[Monkeyman]

Anyway...gotta go, Hurricane coming...peace

[Jack Shephard]

I took a long time to respond because after work I had to prepare for Hurrican Earl...

Sorry folks, we just see things and interpret facts differently...I believe due to our experiences. I don't for a second believe that we minorities that make up 25% of the pop. commit the majority of the crimes to make up 63% of the prison population. (US Census) I don't believe the US justice system prosecutes equally.

I'm not white, republican, nor conservative, so I'll disagree with the majority of the AFF posters political views.

So I've been dismantled & called a race baiter, lol!!! I've been called a lot worse...dirty Mexican, spic, lazy Mexican, wetback, lazy _____ Mexican, many times...too many to count...ur words cannot hurt me or make me see your points of view. I know racism exists in every facet of the United States population including the church. If I had a nick for every time a Christian has said a racial joke to me thinking that I would laugh with them I would be a rich man. I just walk away sad...knowing that nothing will EVER change. Racism is SO rampat it is alarming...I recall the teacher telling my brother that he HAD to take mechanics & wood shop instead of the higher classes so he could get a job more according to his kind...causing my Dad to drive up from LA demanding to see the top dog and the result was my bro graduating from Yale, Duke, and now a prof @ U of Michigan. I can recall taking a pair of shoes into a cobbler to be told that he didn't do that kind of work...only to do it for my wife 2 hours later when she took them in. I can recall the cop pulling his gun on me for no reason. I can recall all 15 minority kids of our choir having to stay in one house while all the white kids went 2 by 2 to other homes. To me, it's always about race, I've experienced bigotry to many times not to form my opinion. Do I hate? No not ever, my Christ suffered much more than I have because of my color...you will never understand where I come from, don't even try, just don't try to make me think like you...

There are as many if not more white people committing crimes...it is just easier to get locked up if you're Black or Latino...it's just the way it is.

It is easier in most places. You are right that it seems that whites commit more crimes...Which is probably true because whites make up the majority race of this country. Almost 80%, in 2008, of this country was identified themselves as white. This figure is made up of 65.60% non-hispanic and 14.19% hispanic. So out of the majority, in 2008 that were identified with the help of the Patriot Act which allows hispanics to claim themselevs as white if the so choose that 65% of those classifying themselves as white actually were white. That means that a large majoirty of this country was/is white so it stands to reason that white can commit more crimes.

That doesn't change the biased mindset that some in this country has. Race, IMO, has little or nothing to do with someone committing a crime. The situation under which someone is raised or financial situations really dictate that. MM, I am sorry that you were called some of those names. Myself being white have ever rarely been called by a derogitory name like those. It is entirely too unfortunate that this country isn't color blind. I think that a persons psychy is the main cause for how the end up and the crimes the commit or do not commit. Race shouldn't be attributed to crimes. But it is and that is sad. I don't want my kid(s) to grow up and get used to identifying someone by their race. It is not going to happen if I can at all help it.

Here is where I got the stats...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman
I recall the teacher telling my brother that he HAD to take mechanics & wood shop instead of the higher classes so he could get a job more according to his kind...causing my Dad to drive up from LA demanding to see the top dog and the result was my bro graduating from Yale, Duke, and now a prof @ U of Michigan.


The guidance counselors in my HS tried to do the same ting to my youngest sister-- encouraging her to take up hair braiding at the Charles County VO-Tech Center. She was given this advice her Junior year of HS.

She works for company that has a contract with DARPA(?) today-- some kind of Office Adminstrator. She makes whole lot more than what she would have made if she had followed the well-meaning advice of her guidance counsellors who told her to take up hair-braiding.

My sister is black. Her guidance counsellors were white, old and female.

I am not saying they advised her the way they did out of malice or hate.

At least one her counsellors was a counsellor I knew as well when I was in HS-- they did not steer me to VO-TECH at all.

It's so much more difficult to explain, to pin point and it's not necessarilly mean-spirited all the time-- but racial prejudice still permeates our society.

Racism-- institutionalized, damaging, hate-filled and fear mongering race oriented behaviors (racism as I define it) is not America's most pressing problem. Today, I am not sure it it is even in the top 10 of major issues plaguing our country as a whole-- I'd say probably not.


However, my Grandparents-- my Parents America is a much different America than today's America. For this we should all be grateful and DO MORE with the opportunities we do have instead of looking for a reason to explain away our personal failures. That'll preach for every American-- red, yellow, black and white.

[canam]

Are you serious?

Are you really, really serious?


The examination did not find sufficient "evidence" of rape. They did find that Kobe's accuser had "male bodily secretions" from 3 different men in her "undergarments" the MORNING AFTER she was supposedly raped!

That was ALL ABOUT GETTING KOBE'S HUSH MONEY! She came to his room at what hour of the night? For what reason? PUH-LEEZE!!!

She got what she deserved and apparently alot more! :)



OJ did not get away with murder-- he's in jail today in part, because of the persistence of that womans family to financially bankrupt OJ and make his life miserable.

In his misery, OJ made some really desperate, and criminal decisions.
He got away with murder, he got convicted of kidnapping and robbery. And yes im serious.And ps she took no money.I believe you have your facts confused with Duke athletes vs the stripper(all white by the way) the only one that DIDNT get accused was the lone BLACK player on the team Typical , blame the victim ,"she wanted it" You should be ashamed JD. Oh and ps 2 OJ is far from broke, he has lots of money stashed in off shore accounts, by his own admission and they cant touch his NFL pension. And your right, Murder does bring misery, IF your lucky enough.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman
I recall the teacher telling my brother that he HAD to take mechanics & wood shop instead of the higher classes so he could get a job more according to his kind...causing my Dad to drive up from LA demanding to see the top dog and the result was my bro graduating from Yale, Duke, and now a prof @ U of Michigan.


The guidance counselors in my HS tried to do the same ting to my youngest sister-- encouraging her to take up hair braiding at the Charles County VO-Tech Center. She was given this advice her Junior year of HS.

She works for company that has a contract with DARPA(?) today-- some kind of Office Adminstrator. She makes whole lot more than what she would have made if she had followed the well-meaning advice of her guidance counsellors who told her to take up hair-braiding.

My sister is black. Her guidance counsellors were white, old and female.

I am not saying they advised her the way they did out of malice or hate.

At least one her counsellors was a counsellor I knew as well when I was in HS-- they did not steer me to VO-TECH at all.

It's so much more difficult to explain, to pin point and it's not necessarilly mean-spirited all the time-- but racial prejudice still permeates our society.

Racism-- institutionalized, damaging, hate-filled and fear mongering race oriented behaviors (racism as I define it) is not America's most pressing problem. Today, I am not sure it it is even in the top 10 of major issues plaguing our country as a whole-- I'd say probably not.


However, my Grandparents-- my Parents America is a much different America than today's America. For this we should all be grateful and DO MORE with the opportunities we do have instead of looking for a reason to explain away our personal failures. That'll preach for every American-- red, yellow, black and white.


Wait...I am a BIG Duke fan....the man is now teaching at the U of Michigan...what loser. Kidding.

If a teacher is NOT helping to cultivate kids wishes and goals then what good are they? I remember asking my father once if I could make it to the NBA. He never said no. It said it will take more work than you are putting in. He put it on me to push to make it. I never played in the NBA, but I am more successful than that. I am a father and a husband, which is more than what I had ever dreamed.

[Jermyn Davidson]

He got away with murder, he got convicted of kidnapping and robbery. And yes im serious.And ps she took no money.I believe you have your facts confused with Duke athletes vs the stripper(all white by the way) the only one that DIDNT get accused was the lone BLACK player on the team Typical , blame the victim ,"she wanted it" You should be ashamed JD. Oh and ps 2 OJ is far from broke, he has lots of money stashed in off shore accounts, by his own admission and they cant touch his NFL pension. And your right, Murder does bring misery, IF your lucky enough.

Maybe I should not respond to this, but...

OJ was found not guilty in a court of law. He did not get away with murder because in a court of law, he was deemed to not be a murderer. I know this won't hold water for all circumstances, but in this case, to call OJ a murderer would be an unsubstantiated accusation-- something akin to a lie.

That chick was not raped. SHE LIED! She had the bodily fluids of three men to testify to her character. The medical examiner could not find "evidence" of a rape.

I'm not ashamed-- I think it's hillarious that she was so dirty and stupid all at the same time culminating with no one with half a brain believeing her cockamainey story! :)


Why are you bringing up Duke? The chick lied there too. Surely you don't only believe white people have a corner on lying? :)


The only victims in both cases were the tax payers and those who were FALSELY accused.

[CC1]

Jermyn, OJ was found guilty in a civil court were the jury was not packed with a bunch of minorities determined to show "the man" they were not going to convict a "brother".

The evidence against O.J. was overwhelming for any rational person.

[Praxeas]

Mike Vick kills dogs=Prison Term/lengthy NFL suspension
Big Ben rapes girl=reduced suspension to 4 game NFL suspension


The difference? Both qb's, both jerks, one white one black...but I know I know, do NOT play the race card, I've "learned" my place....hahaha, whatever
Big Ben was NOT even tried in court for rape let alone found innocent or guilty. So he is legally innocent, yet he was still sacked for 4 games

[Praxeas]

In my world we should convict equally...
What? So everyone should be convicted? That's seriously asinine. You are assuming Ben was guilty, not innocent

[Jack Shephard]

Big Ben was NOT even tried in court for rape let alone found innocent or guilty. So he is legally innocent, yet he was still sacked for 4 games

If you sack someone without permission you deserved to get sacked without your permission, IMO.

[Praxeas]

Every prison/jail in the U.S. - more minorities
So we should go out and arrest whites whether they committed a crime or not?

You realize that there are actually more minorities than whites in the US right?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Jermyn, OJ was found guilty in a civil court were the jury was not packed with a bunch of minorities determined to show "the man" they were not going to convict a "brother".

The evidence against O.J. was overwhelming for any rational person.

Prove it.

Show the stats.

Show the intents of those individuals by showing a pattern-- by them personally or by minorites in general.

Back up your assertion.




You can't.

[Jermyn Davidson]

If you sack someone without permission you deserved to get sacked without your permission, IMO.

The prosecutor determined that a "crime" DID NOT take place in the case of Ben. I'm sticking with him.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The evidence against O.J. was overwhelming for any rational person.

Apparently, there was a lot presented that birthed reasonable doubt in the minds of those jurors.

[Praxeas]

Ok maybe Im wrong about the minority figure, but here where I live the majority percentage wise are Hispanics, next are whites, then blacks and asians.

Add Hispanics, blacks and asians and the number of whites pale in comparison.

[Praxeas]

Apparently, there was a lot presented that birthed reasonable doubt in the minds of those jurors.
a lot of people thought it was social justice, not legal justice.

There was no evidence racism played a part, but because of an idiot detective being found to have used the N word, facts don't mean a whole lot anymore. Emotions take over

[Truthseeker]

I took a long time to respond because after work I had to prepare for Hurrican Earl...

Sorry folks, we just see things and interpret facts differently...I believe due to our experiences. I don't for a second believe that we minorities that make up 25% of the pop. commit the majority of the crimes to make up 63% of the prison population. (US Census) I don't believe the US justice system prosecutes equally.

I'm not white, republican, nor conservative, so I'll disagree with the majority of the AFF posters political views.

So I've been dismantled & called a race baiter, lol!!! I've been called a lot worse...dirty Mexican, spic, lazy Mexican, wetback, lazy _____ Mexican, many times...too many to count...ur words cannot hurt me or make me see your points of view. I know racism exists in every facet of the United States population including the church. If I had a nick for every time a Christian has said a racial joke to me thinking that I would laugh with them I would be a rich man. I just walk away sad...knowing that nothing will EVER change. Racism is SO rampat it is alarming...I recall the teacher telling my brother that he HAD to take mechanics & wood shop instead of the higher classes so he could get a job more according to his kind...causing my Dad to drive up from LA demanding to see the top dog and the result was my bro graduating from Yale, Duke, and now a prof @ U of Michigan. I can recall taking a pair of shoes into a cobbler to be told that he didn't do that kind of work...only to do it for my wife 2 hours later when she took them in. I can recall the cop pulling his gun on me for no reason. I can recall all 15 minority kids of our choir having to stay in one house while all the white kids went 2 by 2 to other homes. To me, it's always about race, I've experienced bigotry to many times not to form my opinion. Do I hate? No not ever, my Christ suffered much more than I have because of my color...you will never understand where I come from, don't even try, just don't try to make me think like you...

There are as many if not more white people committing crimes...it is just easier to get locked up if you're Black or Latino...it's just the way it is.

Got a source for more whites commit crimes??

[Truthseeker]

The whole thing started because of OJ's LACK of money-- to the point that he had to attempt to "steal" his own stuff back.


That woman's family was ABSOLUTELY THE KEY in creating the circumstances in OJ's life where this could even happen.


So yep, I'm serious and I have facts.

So busting in with a group with guns was not the issue? Right!

[Truthseeker]

BTW A civil COURT found him liable. Kinda like you saying a criminal court found him not guilty so we can't say he's a murderer. He's financially liable per a civil court of law.

[Jermyn Davidson]

a lot of people thought it was social justice, not legal justice.

There was no evidence racism played a part, but because of an idiot detective being found to have used the N word, facts don't mean a whole lot anymore. Emotions take over

That idiot was showed to have a propensity for actions that would constitute racism, wasn't he?

Shouldn't that invalidate whatever he has to say in a court of law? He ruined his own character, rendering his own influence to affect justice impotent-- and rightfully so!


Legally speaking, OJ is not a murderer.

[Truthseeker]

Jermyn, OJ was found guilty in a civil court were the jury was not packed with a bunch of minorities determined to show "the man" they were not going to convict a "brother".

The evidence against O.J. was overwhelming for any rational person.

One of the few times race got a black man off.

[Jermyn Davidson]

BTW A civil COURT found him liable. Kinda like you saying a criminal court found him not guilty so we can't say he's a murderer. He's financially liable per a civil court of law.

Liability does not mean guilt.

The whole thing with the civil case is that there was too much doubt created-- the jury could not convict him BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

Everyone knows that civil courts don't have the same stringent requirements in determining guilt.

[Baron1710]

That idiot was showed to have a propensity for actions that would constitute racism, wasn't he?

Shouldn't that invalidate whatever he has to say in a court of law? He ruined his own character, rendering his own influence to affect justice impotent-- and rightfully so!


Legally speaking, OJ is not a murderer.

No he was shown to have lied.

[Jermyn Davidson]

One of the few times race got a black man off.

Jermyn, OJ was found guilty in a civil court were the jury was not packed with a bunch of minorities determined to show "the man" they were not going to convict a "brother".



You guys are maligning our "fair and unbiased" system of justice without any proof or pattern to back up the disdain you are fomenting.


Proof?

Patterns?

None?

Done.

[Jermyn Davidson]

No he was shown to have lied.

And what was the motivation behind his lie?

Doesn't he have a record to back up the "racist" label that was given him-- that he earned?

[Baron1710]

And what was the motivation behind his lie?

Doesn't he have a record to back up the "racist" label that was given him-- that he earned?

You claimed it big boy back it up.

He lied in court, that's what sunk the prosecution.

[canam]

Apparently, there was a lot presented that birthed reasonable doubt in the minds of those jurors.

Ya one thing, if the glove dont fit, you must not convict ,of course that was because OJ stopped taking his arthuritis medicine, so his hands would swell .What a farce.

[Jermyn Davidson]

You claimed it big boy back it up.

He lied in court, that's what sunk the prosecution.

:)

[Baron1710]

:)

The premise of this thread has been thoroughly discredited yet that has been sidetracked with another fact that is thrown out as if it supports the assertion made. It is nothing but a bald assertion that proves absolutely nothing.

How about backing up the assertion that white NFL players get shorter suspensions than black players?

[Jermyn Davidson]

You claimed it big boy back it up.

He lied in court, that's what sunk the prosecution.

Fuhrman talked about gang members and was quoted as saying, "Yeah we work with niggers and gangs. You can take one of these niggers, drag 'em into the alley and beat the ........ out of them and kick them. You can see them twitch. It really relieves your tension." He went on to say "we had them begging that they'd never be gang members again, begging us." He said that he would tell them, "You do what you're told, understand, nigger?


Only limited excerpts of the tapes were admitted as evidence in the Simpson trial, but the content of the admitted portions were strong enough to cast doubt on Fuhrman's motives and credibility with the jury.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman





Hannity drew the line at playing shrink, though, and asked Fuhrman how he knows OJ has no remorse.

Fuhrman replied, “Sean, I’m gonna tell you this right now. I dealt with people like this for 20 years. They will get up every day. They will kill somebody and go have some chicken at KFC. You will catch them eatin’ chicken and drinkin’ a beer after they just murdered three people. Sean, these people are out there. They’re all over the place.”


http://www.newshounds.us/2006/11/17/mark_fuhrman_freaks_out_over_oj_simpson.php

[Jermyn Davidson]

Would You Want a Man who Said and Did the Following
To be a Face of Your News Organization?

Tried to qualify for disability payments because his hatred for black officers was debilitating.

Perjured himself on national TV when he said he never used the word, nigger, when it was common knowledge he did.

Claimed as a consultant (on tape) for a screen play on women in law enforcement, NOT race, that he had regularly framed black people.

Claimed as a consultant (on tape) that he would like to build a bomb that could blow up all black people.

Claimed as a consultant (on tape) that he would attend "kill parties" whenever a cop killed a black man.

Who was quoted saying the following: all black people should be collected and burned.

Claimed as a consultant (on tape) all of the following:

"No, if I would have arrested the son of a bitch, I would have killed him. If I ever see the son of a bitch and we're alone, I would kill him...If there's nobody except him and me, dead men tell no tales."

"Most real good policemen understand that they would love to take certain people to the alley and just blow their brains out..."

"We stopped the choke because a bunch of Niggers have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all Niggers are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. Really is extraordinary, isn't it?"

"Westwood is gone, the niggers have discovered it."

"There is going to be a massacre in the future and they know that. There is the Rolling 60's, nigger group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds."

"First thing, anything out of a nigger's mouth for the first five or six sentences is a .............. lie. That is just right out. There has got to be a reason why he is going to tell you the truth… You choke him out until he tells you the truth. You know it is kind of funny. But a lot of policemen will get a kick out of it."

"We basically get impatient with him being so .............. stupid. Which I thought he was. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. We searched him again and found the gun. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. When I left, Dana goes, `No blood, Mark.' `No problem, not even any marks, Dana.' Just body shots. Did you ever try to find a bruise on a Nigger. It is pretty tough, huh?"

"When he gives me his driver's license, I'll just rip the ............ up."

"I had 66 allegations of brutality… We grabbed a girl that lived there… Grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head, and used her as a barricade. Walked up and told them: `I've got this girl, I'll blow her .............. brains out, if you come out with a gun.' Held her like this -- threw the bitch down the stairs… I must have about 3000 or 4000 pages of internal affairs investigations out there."


Now, some people might object to much of the foul language in this particular blog. It's all Mark's language. They might feel that it should be censored and might even judge me for reprinting it. Again, it's all Mark's language. The question these people should ask themselves is: Why not judge Mark for the words?


http://gopexposed.blogspot.com/2005/11/fox-news-haven-for-racists.html

[Jermyn Davidson]

I can not find official records of racial insensitivity that he was disciplined for on the job.

However, suffice it to say that what I have presented should leave no doubt to Mark Fuhrman's past.

Sure he lied, but the why behind the lie is what this high schooler heard about him ( I was 16 or 17 when it all went down.)

[Jermyn Davidson]

The premise of this thread has been thoroughly discredited yet that has been sidetracked with another fact that is thrown out as if it supports the assertion made. It is nothing but a bald assertion that proves absolutely nothing.

How about backing up the assertion that white NFL players get shorter suspensions than black players?

I disagree with the original assertion of this thread-- the specifics used to make the point were not good examples.

If the premise is that racism is still rampant, I've already drawn my line in the sand:

This is not my Grandparents' or even Parents' America. We've come a long way and I don't think racism is one America's biggest problems today.

[Jack Shephard]

The prosecutor determined that a "crime" DID NOT take place in the case of Ben. I'm sticking with him.

If you are sticking with him did he give you a cut of the money?

[Jermyn Davidson]

If you are sticking with him did he give you a cut of the money?


:ursofunny

[Jermyn Davidson]

The premise of this thread has been thoroughly discredited yet that has been sidetracked with another fact that is thrown out as if it supports the assertion made. It is nothing but a bald assertion that proves absolutely nothing.


You called me on something I said then assail the fact that I attempt to back up what I said?

Why?

I never lost touch with what the original discussion of this thread.

[Baron1710]

I can not find official records of racial insensitivity that he was disciplined for on the job.

However, suffice it to say that what I have presented should leave no doubt to Mark Fuhrman's past.

Sure he lied, but the why behind the lie is what this high schooler heard about him ( I was 16 or 17 when it all went down.)

He was talking to someone writing a book...

There is NO evidence whatsoever that he ever acted in a way that deserved discipline by the LAPD.

[Baron1710]

You called me on something I said then assail the fact that I attempt to back up what I said?

Why?

I never lost touch with what the original discussion of this thread.

No, I only quoted you because I for some reason I couldn't just post it so I chose your little smiley face to quote. I was pointing what I said in that at you.

[Jermyn Davidson]

He was talking to someone writing a book...

There is NO evidence whatsoever that he ever acted in a way that deserved discipline by the LAPD.

Was it a fiction or non-fiction work?

I haven't found any evidence yet. I guess that racist label was somehow applied to the wrong man. I'll just stop looking.

Maybe OJ is the racist one.

After all, he killed two white people, according to the Just Courts of popular opinion....

[Baron1710]

Was it a fiction or non-fiction work?

I haven't found any evidence yet. I guess that racist label was somehow applied to the wrong man. I'll just stop looking.

Maybe OJ is the racist one.

After all, he killed two white people, according to the Just Courts of popular opinion....

And the preponderance of the evidence.

You do realize that the standard of proof in the civil trial is that it is more likely than not that he killed them?

Being found not guilty doesn't mean he is innocent, it only means Marsha and Chris didn't make their case.

[Jermyn Davidson]

And the preponderance of the evidence.

You do realize that the standard of proof in the civil trial is that it is more likely than not that he killed them?

Being found not guilty doesn't mean he is innocent, it only means Marsha and Chris didn't make their case.

Or maybe the jury was cooked so that ALL the AMERICAN minorities could stick their thumb in the eye of white folks and say...:razz

[Jermyn Davidson]

Being found not guilty doesn't mean he is innocent, it only means Marsha and Chris didn't make their case.

Or that the jury could not convict without reasonable doubts.

[Sweet Pea]

I took a long time to respond because after work I had to prepare for Hurrican Earl...

Sorry folks, we just see things and interpret facts differently...I believe due to our experiences. I don't for a second believe that we minorities that make up 25% of the pop. commit the majority of the crimes to make up 63% of the prison population. (US Census) I don't believe the US justice system prosecutes equally.

I'm not white, republican, nor conservative, so I'll disagree with the majority of the AFF posters political views.

So I've been dismantled & called a race baiter, lol!!! I've been called a lot worse...dirty Mexican, spic, lazy Mexican, wetback, lazy _____ Mexican, many times...too many to count...ur words cannot hurt me or make me see your points of view. I know racism exists in every facet of the United States population including the church. If I had a nick for every time a Christian has said a racial joke to me thinking that I would laugh with them I would be a rich man. I just walk away sad...knowing that nothing will EVER change. Racism is SO rampat it is alarming...I recall the teacher telling my brother that he HAD to take mechanics & wood shop instead of the higher classes so he could get a job more according to his kind...causing my Dad to drive up from LA demanding to see the top dog and the result was my bro graduating from Yale, Duke, and now a prof @ U of Michigan. I can recall taking a pair of shoes into a cobbler to be told that he didn't do that kind of work...only to do it for my wife 2 hours later when she took them in. I can recall the cop pulling his gun on me for no reason. I can recall all 15 minority kids of our choir having to stay in one house while all the white kids went 2 by 2 to other homes. To me, it's always about race, I've experienced bigotry to many times not to form my opinion. Do I hate? No not ever, my Christ suffered much more than I have because of my color...you will never understand where I come from, don't even try, just don't try to make me think like you...

There are as many if not more white people committing crimes...it is just easier to get locked up if you're Black or Latino...it's just the way it is.

MM - WOW - you're really a lot more prejudiced and racist than I thought. Yes, I said prejudiced and racist - against whites. I am amazed ..

I also recall some "white" young men that attended the same school you did, being held at gunpoint - for no reason. And you've gotta admit, whites are definitely the minority race in your hometown. And I've known some white young people that were counseled to attend vo-tech schools - they were from "Okieville" and the counselors thought they were better suited for manual, blue collar work.

But, I love ya, man! :thumbsup

[Mr. Smith]

MM - WOW - you're really a lot more prejudiced and racist than I thought. Yes, I said prejudiced and racist - against whites. I am amazed ..




No he's not. I take exception to that. Disagree with him if you like, but don't call him a racist. Walk in his shoes, get called and labeled the things he's had to listen to and until then, can it.

[Jack Shephard]

No he's not. I take exception to that. Disagree with him if you like, but don't call him a racist. Walk in his shoes, get called and labeled the things he's had to listen to and until then, can it.

ditttttttooooooooo









:thumbsup

[Sweet Pea]

No he's not. I take exception to that. Disagree with him if you like, but don't call him a racist. Walk in his shoes, get called and labeled the things he's had to listen to and until then, can it.

ditttttttooooooooo


:thumbsup


:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny You have no idea what I may have been through.

But excuse me, don't you think it is possible for someone other than whites to be racist?

If you really knew me, you would know that I am NOT racist, NOT prejudiced against anyone of any color. But I get tired of people (ANY race) constantly blaming things on race and color ! Personally, I think Martin Luther King would be appalled at the way the race card is used.

JMHO - I'm out of here! Love you, MM!

[Mr. Smith]

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny You have no idea what I may have been through.

But excuse me, don't you think it is possible for someone other than whites to be racist?

If you really knew me, you would know that I am NOT racist, NOT prejudiced against anyone of any color. But I get tired of people (ANY race) constantly blaming things on race and color ! Personally, I think Martin Luther King would be appalled at the way the race card is used.

JMHO - I'm out of here! Love you, MM!


Then tell us....have you been called the racial epitaphs that MM has been? You say I don't know you. Sounds like you may know MM, but do you realky know him well enough to tag him a "Racists"? It seems you labeled him with that based solely on what he said here. I don't think that's fair. At all. MM is NOT a racists based on what he wrote here. Not even close.

[Sweet Pea]

Then tell us....have you been called the racial epitaphs that MM has been? You say I don't know you. Sounds like you may know MM, but do you realky know him well enough to tag him a "Racists"? It seems you labeled him with that based solely on what he said here. I don't think that's fair. At all. MM is NOT a racists based on what he wrote here. Not even close.

Yes, I know MM. No, I have not been called all the names he mentioned, but I have been discriminated against for other reasons. I would have never thought of him as "racist" before (although I know him well enough to know that sometimes it seemed that he had a chip on his shoulder regarding some things.) Ok, so, I will retract my "racist" remark, but I still think that he is making some pretty broadbrush remarks and is somewhat prejudicial in this thinking.

[Mr. Smith]

Yes, I know MM. No, I have not been called all the names he mentioned, but I have been discriminated against for other reasons. I would have never thought of him as "racist" before (although I know him well enough to know that sometimes it seemed that he had a chip on his shoulder regarding some things.) Ok, so, I will retract my "racist" remark, but I still think that he is making some pretty broadbrush remarks and is somewhat prejudicial in this thinking.


Thank you.:)

He's passionate about what he believes. That's ok. And it's ok for someone to disagree. Maybe his conclusions are right and maybe not. But he does ask some good questions.

[Praxeas]

That idiot was showed to have a propensity for actions that would constitute racism, wasn't he?

Shouldn't that invalidate whatever he has to say in a court of law? He ruined his own character, rendering his own influence to affect justice impotent-- and rightfully so!


Legally speaking, OJ is not a murderer.
No, he wasn't. He was not on trial. OJ was shown to have a propensity to commit violence against his wife. He had beaten her before! Saying the N word is not a crime. Beating the cr@p out of your wife is!

The reason for his testimony being weak is that he perjured himself, not that he was a racist. The prosecution could have validated Furhman's testimony. The problem was more to do with the prosecution and the LAPD's ineptness

[Praxeas]

The premise of this thread has been thoroughly discredited yet that has been sidetracked with another fact that is thrown out as if it supports the assertion made. It is nothing but a bald assertion that proves absolutely nothing.

How about backing up the assertion that white NFL players get shorter suspensions than black players?
That's because people on the left of this issue operate on emotions not objective facts

[Baron1710]

Then tell us....have you been called the racial epitaphs that MM has been? You say I don't know you. Sounds like you may know MM, but do you realky know him well enough to tag him a "Racists"? It seems you labeled him with that based solely on what he said here. I don't think that's fair. At all. MM is NOT a racists based on what he wrote here. Not even close.

Mr. Smith, why is it racist for me to determine how a group of minorities in SE DC are going to act based on their race and location, but it is not racist for a minority to label an entire society as racist based on the acts of a few? Both are judging an entire race of people based on how some have acted.

Why are attitudes of minorities excused because they have been called names but the white guy that has been jumped by a minority group should never have a bad word to say about a group of minorities walking down the sidewalk towards him?

Does racism exist? Yes.

Are minorities discriminated against? Yes.

I am discriminated against often and where I live I am the minority.

[Mr. Smith]

Mr. Smith, why is it racist for me to determine how a group of minorities in SE DC are going to act based on their race and location, but it is not racist for a minority to label an entire society as racist based on the acts of a few? Both are judging an entire race of people based on how some have acted.

Response: I don't think it is possible to determine how someone is going to act based on their race. I think there may be increased possibilities, but not absolutes.

Second, the bolded part, I don't think it's a few and therein lies a large part of the problem. It is impossible for me to definitively do an exhaustive research on this issue (percentage of racist, white America), and I believe, impossible for anyone to because very few would admit to it, but I have two resources for believing it's still a HUGE problem, not just a small problem of a few: 1) What I hear myself from casual conversation; and 2) The stories I hear from balanced, well-rounded people who fall into a so-called "Minority" class.

Why are attitudes of minorities excused because they have been called names but the white guy that has been jumped by a minority group should never have a bad word to say about a group of minorities walking down the sidewalk towards him?

Response: I'm not personally excusing it but I am trying to understand it. I don't believe racism is justified on either side, but until I have experienced the brunt of being slighted repeatedly, refused positions, called names, and disenfranchised by establishments and people in power, strictly because of my race, I don't feel like I'm in the position to fully understand.

Question: The "White guy" who was "Jumped" by the "minorities"....was he jumped by them strictly because he was white or because they wanted to jump someone? I think there's a difference.

Does racism exist? Yes.

Response: I believe it more than just "Exists." It's still prevalent. It's much more frowned upon and no longer out in the open as it was, but hearts didn't suddenly change in the last 40 years.

Are minorities discriminated against? Yes.

I am discriminated against often and where I live I am the minority.


I don't doubt it. But have you been denied a job, a career, an education, advancement, or opportunity, because of your race?

[Mr. Smith]

Mr. Smith, why is it racist for me to determine how a group of minorities in SE DC are going to act based on their race and location, but it is not racist for a minority to label an entire society as racist based on the acts of a few? Both are judging an entire race of people based on how some have acted.

Why are attitudes of minorities excused because they have been called names but the white guy that has been jumped by a minority group should never have a bad word to say about a group of minorities walking down the sidewalk towards him?

Does racism exist? Yes.

Are minorities discriminated against? Yes.

I am discriminated against often and where I live I am the minority.


By the way, based strictly on the merits that the NFL has to judge on, I don't think Ben Rothlisschugerheisen should have been suspended at all. Not only has he not been convicted of anything, he hasn't even been charged with anything. He was suspended because he was accused. That's a dangerous trend in my opinion.

[Truthseeker]

Ya one thing, if the glove dont fit, you must not convict ,of course that was because OJ stopped taking his arthuritis medicine, so his hands would swell .What a farce.

not to mention Cochran playing the race card even Shapiro was against it.

[Truthseeker]

Or maybe the jury was cooked so that ALL the AMERICAN minorities could stick their thumb in the eye of white folks and say...:razz

Your post might be TIC but that's the mentality of a lot minorities.

[Truthseeker]

No he's not. I take exception to that. Disagree with him if you like, but don't call him a racist. Walk in his shoes, get called and labeled the things he's had to listen to and until then, can it.

OH justifiable racism, I see.

[Mr. Smith]

Your post might be TIC but that's the mentality of a lot minorities.


You know SO much about much about minorities. Congratulations. You should become one some time.

[Mr. Smith]

OH justifiable racism, I see.


By several miles, one of the most moronic posts I've seen on AFF. Great accomplishment, actually, to be that ridiculous in only five words! This mentality is part of the problem and not even close to being a part of the solution. I'd love to see you speak at one of the African-American Baptist churches I've been in community with and say things like this.

[Baron1710]

I don't doubt it. But have you been denied a job, a career, an education, advancement, or opportunity, because of your race?

I absolutely have been denied jobs and opportunities for being white. I am not eligible for scholarships that are only available to minorities yet every scholarship I could apply for so could they.

[Mr. Smith]

I absolutely have been denied jobs and opportunities for being white. I am not eligible for scholarships that are only available to minorities yet every scholarship I could apply for so could they.


Fair enough. But were those avenues your only chance? For many minorities, it's the only chance they have.

One can make a decent case for some kind of affirmative action in the educational system. Unfortunately, a majority of inner-city schools, which houses the vast majority of minorities, teach at such a low level that even a person who aces the inner-city school system has never been given the tools to pass qualification standards set by many universities.

[Baron1710]

Fair enough. But were those avenues your only chance? For many minorities, it's the only chance they have.

One can make a decent case for some kind of affirmative action in the educational system. Unfortunately, a majority of inner-city schools, which houses the vast majority of minorities, teach at such a low level that even a person who aces the inner-city school system has never been given the tools to pass qualification standards set by many universities.

Not to change the subject but thanks for the great argument in favor of universal vouchers.

[Mr. Smith]

Not to change the subject but thanks for the great argument in favor of universal vouchers.


Oh, you would get no argument from me on that one!! The public school system is a joke and I'm not talking about the removal of prayer, the distribution of condoms, or the teaching of evolution. While many suburban schools are high-quality, many that are located in urban areas or tinytown, America, are absolutely horrific, academically.

[Praxeas]

My Dad retired from the government and got his PHd..it took years to get a teaching position because he was a white man. The job always went to a woman or some other minority. I call that discrimination

[Mr. Smith]

My Dad retired from the government and got his PHd..it took years to get a teaching position because he was a white man. The job always went to a woman or some other minority. I call that discrimination

Here is the response I often hear given to minorities who make the same complaint:

"Well, maybe your father just wasn't as good and qualified."

[canam]

My Dad retired from the government and got his PHd..it took years to get a teaching position because he was a white man. The job always went to a woman or some other minority. I call that discrimination

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[Sam]

I am a 72 year old Caucasian.

I know of racial discrimination against white people.

Some years ago when I was a foreman for a company here in the Cincinnati, OH area we needed to hire another person in our small department. I interviewed a few people but was told that I had to hire an African American.

Later, at another company, someone was going to hire a person in his department and called me to see if I was interested in the job, but then he told me that he was being pressured to hire an African American or better yet an African American female. The way he said it was, "I'll get a star if I hire an African American but two stars if I hire an African American female." This was while I was working at General Electric.

General Electric has had ups and downs. I started there in 1966 and retired in 1998. I remember how we had about 20,000 employes at one time and when I left we were down to 8,500. I remember a letter coming out at one time how the company would have to downsize and reduce employee numbers. The letter went on to say that "of course" the downsizing would have to take into consideration the proper minority mix.

Just a year or so ago someone still working at General Electric said that there is pressure to hire more GLBT's.

I have not lived with a lifetime of discrimination like some have. I can see why there is bitterness, anger, and racism in the attitude of some of those that we call minorities.

Actually, I am a minority in my city of about 20,000. African Americans outnumber Caucasians by 2 to 1.

[Mr. Smith]

I am a 72 year old Caucasian.

I know of racial discrimination against white people.

Some years ago when I was a foreman for a company here in the Cincinnati, OH area we needed to hire another person in our small department. I interviewed a few people but was told that I had to hire an African American.

Later, at another company, someone was going to hire a person in his department and called me to see if I was interested in the job, but then he told me that he was being pressured to hire an African American or better yet an African American female. The way he said it was, "I'll get a star if I hire an African American but two stars if I hire an African American female." This was while I was working at General Electric.

General Electric has had ups and downs. I started there in 1966 and retired in 1998. I remember how we had about 20,000 employes at one time and when I left we were down to 8,500. I remember a letter coming out at one time how the company would have to downsize and reduce employee numbers. The letter went on to say that "of course" the downsizing would have to take into consideration the proper minority mix.

Just a year or so ago someone still working at General Electric said that there is pressure to hire more GLBT's.

I have not lived with a lifetime of discrimination like some have. I can see why there is bitterness, anger, and racism in the attitude of some of those that we call minorities.

Actually, I am a minority in my city of about 20,000. African Americans outnumber Caucasians by 2 to 1.




We whites suuuuuuurrrrrreee to have it tough here in America.

[Sam]

A friend of ours retired a few years ago from Proctor and Gamble. His name is Jim and he is African American. He used to live across the street from us but moved a few years ago to a larger and nicer house. Jim had a Ph.D. He was a chemist and taught in college in Chicago. He moved to Lexington, KY but could not get a loan on a house in a white neighborhood. Someone financed him privately and he even had a cross burned in his yard.

When he moved to Cincinnati he applied for a job at Proctor and Gamble. He had to start out as a lab tech. At his retirement, an official from P&G admitted that he was way over qualified as a lab tech but that was the only job he could get at P&G because of his race. After the affirmative action thing happened Jim advanced pretty high but not just because of race. I've been in his home and I've seen the patent certificates on his wall. Jim was active in minority recruitment for P&G. We were at his 50th wedding anniversary celebration and several African Americans talked about Jim and how he worked with them, letting them know what programs were available for minorities, and encouraging them to go on to school and into a profession. One dentist said that he would probably still be in "the projects" if it wasn't for Jim.

Jim and his wife have three children --two sons and a daughter. Both sons are college graduates, one from MIT. I remember his wife telling about the job offers one of her sons (I don't remember which one) got after he graduated. She said that he knew that some were just because he's African American but he did get to choose a good job.

[Sam]

We whites suuuuuuurrrrrreee to have it tough here in America.

No, I don't think we do.
For years white males have had the pre-eminence here.
That really hasn't been right.
I'm just not happy about some of the ways that have been used to correct that bad situation.

[Mr. Smith]

A friend of ours retired a few years ago from Proctor and Gamble. His name is Jim and he is African American. He used to live across the street from us but moved a few years ago to a larger and nicer house. Jim had a Ph.D. He was a chemist and taught in college in Chicago. He moved to Lexington, KY but could not get a loan on a house in a white neighborhood. Someone financed him privately and he even had a cross burned in his yard.

When he moved to Cincinnati he applied for a job at Proctor and Gamble. He had to start out as a lab tech. At his retirement, an official from P&G admitted that he was way over qualified as a lab tech but that was the only job he could get at P&G because of his race. After the affirmative action thing happened Jim advanced pretty high but not just because of race. I've been in his home and I've seen the patent certificates on his wall. Jim was active in minority recruitment for P&G. We were at his 50th wedding anniversary celebration and several African Americans talked about Jim and how he worked with them, letting them know what programs were available for minorities, and encouraging them to go on to school and into a profession. One dentist said that he would probably still be in "the projects" if it wasn't for Jim.

Jim and his wife have three children --two sons and a daughter. Both sons are college graduates, one from MIT. I remember his wife telling about the job offers one of her sons (I don't remember which one) got after he graduated. She said that he knew that some were just because he's African American but he did get to choose a good job.


Great story!:thumbsup

[Mr. Smith]

No, I don't think we do.
For years white males have had the pre-eminence here.
That really hasn't been right.
I'm just not happy about some of the ways that have been used to correct that bad situation.


I can't imagine there is a right way to fix it....it's not fixable without a heart-change. Law can't do it. Law can help but it can't repair.

Some of the solutions that have been tried aren't the best and occasionally, some in the white majority of America feel slighted. I supposed we'd have to go through a couple hundred-plus years of extreme reverse-racism before the score is evened, so I try to bring that into consideration.

Some will say, "But none of it is right" and of course, that's true. But the score is still galaxies from being even. When I, as a white man, walk into a store and have security follow me strictly because of the color of my skin, I'll more of a right to complain.

[Praxeas]

Here is the response I often hear given to minorities who make the same complaint:

"Well, maybe your father just wasn't as good and qualified."
Except that we have institutionalized racism called "Affirmative Action", where a fully qualified white man will not even be considered for hiring because he is white and male.

[Praxeas]

No, I don't think we do.
For years white males have had the pre-eminence here.
That really hasn't been right.
I'm just not happy about some of the ways that have been used to correct that bad situation.
Two wrongs don't make a right. IF racism is wrong, institutionalized racism against 1 race is hypocrisy

[Mr. Smith]

Except that we have institutionalized racism called "Affirmative Action", where a fully qualified white man will not even be considered for hiring because he is white and male.


Where is it institutionalized? Are you speaking of private companies or government? I suppose there may be some who would feel that what little Affirmative Action we do have is a balance to the scales (but it's really not a balance) to most places where one has no chance to be hired if they are not white.

Interestingly, though, there are a few people who rose to great prominence either partially or completely due to Affirmative Action:

1) Clarence Thomas (Supreme Court)
2) Walter E. Williams (frequent substitute for Rush Limbaugh)
3) Colin Powell (Military General)

[Truthseeker]

By several miles, one of the most moronic posts I've seen on AFF. Great accomplishment, actually, to be that ridiculous in only five words! This mentality is part of the problem and not even close to being a part of the solution. I'd love to see you speak at one of the African-American Baptist churches I've been in community with and say things like this.

Your welcome.

[Praxeas]

Where is it institutionalized? Are you speaking of private companies or government? I suppose there may be some who would feel that what little Affirmative Action we do have is a balance to the scales (but it's really not a balance) to most places where one has no chance to be hired if they are not white.

Interestingly, though, there are a few people who rose to great prominence either partially or completely due to Affirmative Action:

1) Clarence Thomas (Supreme Court)
2) Walter E. Williams (frequent substitute for Rush Limbaugh)
3) Colin Powell (Military General)
Where is it institutionalized? Universities

[Truthseeker]

My Dad retired from the government and got his PHd..it took years to get a teaching position because he was a white man. The job always went to a woman or some other minority. I call that discrimination

Doesn't mean as much if against whites.

[Truthseeker]

Except that we have institutionalized racism called "Affirmative Action", where a fully qualified white man will not even be considered for hiring because he is white and male.

On the flip side, without AFA many wouldn't have had a chance to excel. Maybe it needs to change as times change, I guess.

[Praxeas]

On the flip side, without AFA many wouldn't have had a chance to excel. Maybe it needs to change as times change, I guess.
Actually even on the flip side many did not have the chance to excel, both whites and non-whites.

[Mr. Smith]

Where is it institutionalized? Universities


Which is exactly where I, very much, support it.

[coadie]

Where is it institutionalized? Are you speaking of private companies or government? I suppose there may be some who would feel that what little Affirmative Action we do have is a balance to the scales (but it's really not a balance) to most places where one has no chance to be hired if they are not white.

Interestingly, though, there are a few people who rose to great prominence either partially or completely due to Affirmative Action:

1) Clarence Thomas (Supreme Court)
2) Walter E. Williams (frequent substitute for Rush Limbaugh)
3) Colin Powell (Military General)

Resident Obama
Eric Holder

[Baron1710]

Which is exactly where I, very much, support it.

The Supreme Court decision said that universities have an interest in diversity on the campus and can make their decision, in part, on race. The problem comes in when there is more than one minority group or when the minority is a large part of a local population, like the Asians population in the Bay Area and surrounding communities, and they (minorities) with all the qualifications are discriminated against to allow other minorities that are less qualified in.

[Jermyn Davidson]

No, he wasn't. He was not on trial. OJ was shown to have a propensity to commit violence against his wife. He had beaten her before! Saying the N word is not a crime. Beating the cr@p out of your wife is!

The reason for his testimony being weak is that he perjured himself, not that he was a racist. The prosecution could have validated Furhman's testimony. The problem was more to do with the prosecution and the LAPD's ineptness


The reason why he perjured himself, I believe, stems from his prejudiced views and racist actions.

Any attempt of the Prosecution to attempt to validate Furhman's testimony would have risked attempting to validate a man that is clearly racist-- which would not have worked well in most places in America today, given the circumstances of THIS case.

Yes Furhman perjured himself, but his racist actions and racially prejudiced views are what made him an anathema to the Prosecution's case.

[Jermyn Davidson]

That's because people on the left of this issue operate on emotions not objective facts

Praxeas,

In this discussion, have I appeared to operate on emotions and not on facts?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Mr. Smith, why is it racist for me to determine how a group of minorities in SE DC are going to act based on their race and location, but it is not racist for a minority to label an entire society as racist based on the acts of a few? Both are judging an entire race of people based on how some have acted.

Why are attitudes of minorities excused because they have been called names but the white guy that has been jumped by a minority group should never have a bad word to say about a group of minorities walking down the sidewalk towards him?

Does racism exist? Yes.

Are minorities discriminated against? Yes.

I am discriminated against often and where I live I am the minority.


You did not ask me, but I will answer.


Historically speaking, whites have used the laws and the institutions of this country to oppress non-whites. Even when the prejudice was not mal-intentioned (like lowered expectations because of skin color alone), the sting of that was perpetuated across the board and felt across the board until you had a country which had written "her citizens of color a bad check," to borrow words from Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Historically, blacks were simply not given the same tools, same chances, same opportunities for upward mobility in our society. That limitation was effected by a wide variety of means, and not necessarily always in concert.


RACISM is SYSTEMIC-- blacks have NEVER BEEN ABLE TO USE "THE SYSTEM" IN A WAY TO TARGET WHITES, to prevent them from voting, to stymie economic progress, to bring destruction to their families and communities. However, the results of white prejudice in this country has culminated in all of this and more for blacks in America!

Despite our TREMENDOUS PROGRESS, the realities of some blacks today are the direct results of RACISM-- that systemic racial prejudice that has plagued our country for over two hundred years.

A group of thugs beating up a white kid just because he is white is terrible-- but IT IS NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE SYSTEMIC! Neither will it EVER be codified by law!


Racial prejudice is different from racism.

Both are wrong.

Racism implies POWER hatred, and ignorance.

Prejudice implies hatred and ignorance.

[Praxeas]

The reason why he perjured himself, I believe, stems from his prejudiced views and racist actions.

Any attempt of the Prosecution to attempt to validate Furhman's testimony would have risked attempting to validate a man that is clearly racist-- which would not have worked well in most places in America today, given the circumstances of THIS case.

Yes Furhman perjured himself, but his racist actions and racially prejudiced views are what made him an anathema to the Prosecution's case.
You can believe that all you want. Courts are supposed to be about facts

You said, any attempt to validate his testimony would be seen as validating this man...well that is my point exactly. Was this trial about the facts in the case or the emotional feelings of the jury? Was this man found innocent because of racial emotions? Social justice?

Trials are supposed to be about facts. What you just said bothers me because it suggests my earlier point that this wasn't about facts but social justice....get one for the black man, screw the whites. At the expense of 2 innocent victims and their families?

[canam]

You can believe that all you want. Courts are supposed to be about facts

You said, any attempt to validate his testimony would be seen as validating this man...well that is my point exactly. Was this trial about the facts in the case or the emotional feelings of the jury? Was this man found innocent because of racial emotions? Social justice?

Trials are supposed to be about facts. What you just said bothers me because it suggests my earlier point that this wasn't about facts but social justice....get one for the black man, screw the whites. At the expense of 2 innocent victims and their families?

Now your meddling prax, kinda describes what affimative action has become, get one for the black guy,screw whitey,ignore quals.

[Praxeas]

If Affirmative Action could prevent racism, Id be all for it. All it does is force quota's that ensures a white person WON'T get a job if that quota is not met.

[Jermyn Davidson]

You can believe that all you want. Courts are supposed to be about facts

You said, any attempt to validate his testimony would be seen as validating this man...well that is my point exactly. Was this trial about the facts in the case or the emotional feelings of the jury? Was this man found innocent because of racial emotions? Social justice?

Trials are supposed to be about facts. What you just said bothers me because it suggests my earlier point that this wasn't about facts but social justice....get one for the black man, screw the whites. At the expense of 2 innocent victims and their families?


Prax,

Would you really want the jury to take serious the testimony of a racist white man who has perjured himself in court?

In a trial, character is VERY important.

He assasinated his own character. He renderred himself useless to the Prosecution. He embarrassed his entire agency, maybe even police officers all over the country.


The jury could not convict OJ with the evidence presented because the Prosecution could not prove his guilt BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT.

OJ could have walked if the trial had been held in Jackson, MS in the 1990's, as long as there were considerable doubts. With the police tampering with evidence, lying in court and notably racist, the Prosecution would lost that case anywhere in America where citizens are not concerned with ensuring that JUSTICE is served-- and that not at the expense of an innocent man.

[Jermyn Davidson]

If Affirmative Action could prevent racism, Id be all for it. All it does is force quota's that ensures a white person WON'T get a job if that quota is not met.

AA is not about quotas and this argument is tired and old-- not relevant.

[Praxeas]

Prax,

Would you really want the jury to take serious the testimony of a racist white man who has perjured himself in court?

In a trial, character is VERY important.

He assasinated his own character. He renderred himself useless to the Prosecution. He embarrassed his entire agency, maybe even police officers all over the country.


The jury could not convict OJ with the evidence presented because the Prosecution could not prove his guilt BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT.

OJ could have walked if the trial had been held in Jackson, MS in the 1990's, as long as there were considerable doubts. With the police tampering with evidence, lying in court and notably racist, the Prosecution would lost that case anywhere in America where citizens are not concerned with ensuring that JUSTICE is served-- and that not at the expense of an innocent man.
You're confusing the issue, which was if the prosecution could validate the testimony of the detective then YES I want them to take what he said because it was validated. Whether the man is a racist or not is irrelevant.

Remember? You mentioned validating what he said. IF his testimony could be validated by the prosecution then it's valid regardless of this man's feelings towards other races

[johnny44]

I don't doubt it. But have you been denied a job, a career, an education, advancement, or opportunity, because of your race? The area where I bought my first home was in a minority area.It was the only place in the city where you could get a home that didn't have a clause in the contract that forbade them to sell to blacks or somrthing to that effect.Even Japanese Americans were allocated to this area.

[Truthseeker]

Prax,

Would you really want the jury to take serious the testimony of a racist white man who has perjured himself in court?

In a trial, character is VERY important.

He assasinated his own character. He renderred himself useless to the Prosecution. He embarrassed his entire agency, maybe even police officers all over the country.


The jury could not convict OJ with the evidence presented because the Prosecution could not prove his guilt BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT.

OJ could have walked if the trial had been held in Jackson, MS in the 1990's, as long as there were considerable doubts. With the police tampering with evidence, lying in court and notably racist, the Prosecution would lost that case anywhere in America where citizens are not concerned with ensuring that JUSTICE is served-- and that not at the expense of an innocent man.

Believe or not, race was huge in that trial. If OJ was white or victoms were'nt blonde hair blues eyes, he would have been convicted, IMO. Unfortunately, many still can't look past race in when judging a person or situation.

[Ferd]

Next race card example

The government has accused Clemens of making false statements (lying)to Congress about his use of performance-enhancing drugs.

On one hand he speaks their language. On the other hand, does congress take performance hindering drugs?

Rafael Palmerio (one of my all time favorite players) lied to congress about using steriods.

he is not facing any charges.

Clemens faces charges.

is this a racist attack on Clemens?

[crakjak]

Would You Want a Man who Said and Did the Following
To be a Face of Your News Organization?

Tried to qualify for disability payments because his hatred for black officers was debilitating.

Perjured himself on national TV when he said he never used the word, nigger, when it was common knowledge he did.

Claimed as a consultant (on tape) for a screen play on women in law enforcement, NOT race, that he had regularly framed black people.

Claimed as a consultant (on tape) that he would like to build a bomb that could blow up all black people.

Claimed as a consultant (on tape) that he would attend "kill parties" whenever a cop killed a black man.

Who was quoted saying the following: all black people should be collected and burned.

Claimed as a consultant (on tape) all of the following:

"No, if I would have arrested the son of a bitch, I would have killed him. If I ever see the son of a bitch and we're alone, I would kill him...If there's nobody except him and me, dead men tell no tales."

"Most real good policemen understand that they would love to take certain people to the alley and just blow their brains out..."

"We stopped the choke because a bunch of Niggers have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all Niggers are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. Really is extraordinary, isn't it?"

"Westwood is gone, the niggers have discovered it."

"There is going to be a massacre in the future and they know that. There is the Rolling 60's, nigger group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds."

"First thing, anything out of a nigger's mouth for the first five or six sentences is a .............. lie. That is just right out. There has got to be a reason why he is going to tell you the truth… You choke him out until he tells you the truth. You know it is kind of funny. But a lot of policemen will get a kick out of it."

"We basically get impatient with him being so .............. stupid. Which I thought he was. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. We searched him again and found the gun. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. When I left, Dana goes, `No blood, Mark.' `No problem, not even any marks, Dana.' Just body shots. Did you ever try to find a bruise on a Nigger. It is pretty tough, huh?"

"When he gives me his driver's license, I'll just rip the ............ up."

"I had 66 allegations of brutality… We grabbed a girl that lived there… Grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head, and used her as a barricade. Walked up and told them: `I've got this girl, I'll blow her .............. brains out, if you come out with a gun.' Held her like this -- threw the bitch down the stairs… I must have about 3000 or 4000 pages of internal affairs investigations out there."


Now, some people might object to much of the foul language in this particular blog. It's all Mark's language. They might feel that it should be censored and might even judge me for reprinting it. Again, it's all Mark's language. The question these people should ask themselves is: Why not judge Mark for the words?


http://gopexposed.blogspot.com/2005/11/fox-news-haven-for-racists.html

Mark was Johnny's ace in the hole, from the record he is a slimeball!! OJ's lawyers were just better than the state's. The prosecutors' were pathetic.

[crakjak]

You did not ask me, but I will answer.


Historically speaking, whites have used the laws and the institutions of this country to oppress non-whites. Even when the prejudice was not mal-intentioned (like lowered expectations because of skin color alone), the sting of that was perpetuated across the board and felt across the board until you had a country which had written "her citizens of color a bad check," to borrow words from Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Historically, blacks were simply not given the same tools, same chances, same opportunities for upward mobility in our society. That limitation was effected by a wide variety of means, and not necessarily always in concert.


RACISM is SYSTEMIC-- blacks have NEVER BEEN ABLE TO USE "THE SYSTEM" IN A WAY TO TARGET WHITES, to prevent them from voting, to stymie economic progress, to bring destruction to their families and communities. However, the results of white prejudice in this country has culminated in all of this and more for blacks in America!

Despite our TREMENDOUS PROGRESS, the realities of some blacks today are the direct results of RACISM-- that systemic racial prejudice that has plagued our country for over two hundred years.

A group of thugs beating up a white kid just because he is white is terrible-- but IT IS NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE SYSTEMIC! Neither will it EVER be codified by law!


Racial prejudice is different from racism.

Both are wrong.

Racism implies POWER hatred, and ignorance.

Prejudice implies hatred and ignorance.

Racism is along with abortion, is America's greatest sin, and Jermyn, you are correct, all of the efforts to correct the damage done by racism is extremely lacking. We each understand racism thru our only eyes and experience, I never heard my parents make a racist remark. Yet, our community has a very dark and evil history, that is buried so deep that our current citizens have no clue. It is only in the cross that we all can find repentance and healing.

[Praxeas]

Believe or not, race was huge in that trial. If OJ was white or victoms were'nt blonde hair blues eyes, he would have been convicted, IMO. Unfortunately, many still can't look past race in when judging a person or situation.
The victims were white. No matter how white the victims were OJ would have gotten off. Everyone after the trial were saying "It's about time". Nobody really said "I knew he was innocent"...it was about time

[Praxeas]

Mark was Johnny's ace in the hole, from the record he is a slimeball!! OJ's lawyers were just better than the state's. The prosecutors' were pathetic.
The prosecution was very pathetic. First of all the only reason Darnell was on the team was cuz he is black. They played their own race card. Marsha? good grief, that whiny voice. She cared more about her mid trial makeover than the trial

[berkeley]

If it doesn't fit you must acquit...

[Jermyn Davidson]

You're confusing the issue, which was if the prosecution could validate the testimony of the detective then YES I want them to take what he said because it was validated. Whether the man is a racist or not is irrelevant.

Remember? You mentioned validating what he said. IF his testimony could be validated by the prosecution then it's valid regardless of this man's feelings towards other races

What he said was automatically invalid because he said it.

It would have been impossible to validate his testimony-- his character got in the way.

Why don't you understand that no matter what he said, there was no way that he could have been validated, given the circumstances of this particular trial?

Wasn't he even accused of planting evidence at the scene?

The Prosecution may have done better to ask for a mistrial at some point. They shot themselves in the foot trying to use him. But why did they try to use him? Could it be that he was the highest ranking police officer in charge and involved in this case from the beginning?

If yes, then you want to convict a black man, leading to a possible death sentence for that same black man, based in large part on the testimony and expertise of a racist white man? A racist white man, police officer, who was caught in a lie in the same trial in which that black man is on trial-- you really think there was any way to validate him?

When asked if he planted evidence at the scene, Furhman plead the 5th!

But you think that he could have been, or maybe should have been validated?

How?



Justice was served. I was glad then that OJ was found not guilty and I am glad now. There were too many doubts created to convict him.



When you hear of people saying they are glad, don't assume it is because they are glad those two white people died, or that a black man was able to allegedly murder two whites and get away with it. No one in their right mind would be glad for that, regardless of their skin color.

This is rare, but I will take this liberty. WE were glad that OJ was found, "Not Guilty" because we saw a Justice system at work and saw it work out in a way where this black man was not found guilty just because it looked like he could have done it.

His innocence was noticeably presumed, maintained, and confirmed using the same justice system that had historically not worked for blacks in the same way when the chips had been stacked against us.


He fought the system and won, using the system-- that same system that has doomed so many innocent blacks in this country in this century alone.



Minorities seemed to never triumph within the CRIMINAL Justice System-- before OJ. It is a sweeping generalization, but that was and is the general "feel" I got from listening to some people, blacks and whites during and after that trial.

He won and justice was served all within the system. His innocence speaks of the fairness of our Criminal Justice system and the progress our country has made.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Furthermore, the OJ case exposed just how corrupt some were in the LAPD, validating the accusations of mistreatment and injustice that minorites have endured at the hands of police officers all over the country.

Or maybe you think that the LAPD is the only American Law Enforcement agency that has members who boast of abusing the same people they are charged to protect.

Think about it! When Furhman was asked if he planted evidence, he plead the 5th!

How can that sit right with anyone?

[Truthseeker]

The victims were white. No matter how white the victims were OJ would have gotten off. Everyone after the trial were saying "It's about time". Nobody really said "I knew he was innocent"...it was about time

Yeah, I know they were white, but what i was trying to convey was if they were not white he would have been convicted, IMO.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Yeah, I know they were white, but what i was trying to convey was if they were not white he would have been convicted, IMO.

???

Care to elaborate?

[Truthseeker]

???

Care to elaborate?

I think race was huge for this trial, If the victems were not white I have doubts he would have got off. As you pointed out for years the system as been against blacks this one time it was reverse. I think some had the we got a chance tio stick to them this time mentality due to all the past injustices.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I think race was huge for this trial, If the victems were not white I have doubts he would have got off. As you pointed out for years the system as been against blacks this one time it was reverse. I think some had the we got a chance tio stick to them this time mentality due to all the past injustices.

I think stats will show that if you are black and you perpetrate a crime against someone who is black then your chances of getting convicted or getting the maximum sentence is less that if you are black and your victim is white.


If OJ was white and the victims were white, then Furhman's racist actions and thoughts would never be discussed. More than likely, he would never have perjured himself and would have never had to plea the 5th about planting evidence because the trial would have gone in a different direction.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I think some had the we got a chance tio stick to them this time mentality due to all the past injustices.

I don't think any person was glad that OJ allegedly got away with murder.

I bet, if you think about it most folks you know who were glad, did not think OJ was physically guilty of those murders in the first place.

I bet they thought it was an elaborate or not so elaborate scheme to look like he was the only one who could have done this because he is black and his victims were white.

I am not going out on a limb in stating that no one was glad that OJ got away with killing anyone.


Think about the amount of hate you would be ascribing to the people who would think like that. If they were really that hateful, then they themselves would probably be involved in other hateful activities.

Still, only you know the people you are referring to. You know them better than I do.

[Cindy]

There is a difference between being found not guilty and being innocent. Happens a lot. OJ Simpson just had better lawyers. The prosecution team was a joke. Furhman should have been tried for perjury.

[crakjak]

If it doesn't fit you must acquit...

The glove "fitting" was so staged, and so bogus, OJ definitely wasn't trying to get that glove on. It had been soaked with blood, leather shrinks when wet, but it will restretch if forced. Then he had to wear a rubber glove when he was trying it on. It was laughable.

[coadie]

The glove "fitting" was so stage, and so bogus, OJ definitely wasn't trying to get that glove on. It had be soaked with blood, leather shrinks when wet, but it will restretch if forced. Then he had to wear a rubber glove when he was trying it on. It was laughable.

It was obvious. We know he never had difficulty slipping on a golf glove.