Burn a bible

[canam]

I wish someone would burn a bible on easter just to see if otrauma would denounce the burning of" The Holy Bible":toofunny Of course the rest of us would have to threaten to riot and kill people.

[Liberal]

I wish someone would burn a bible on easter just to see if otrauma would denounce the burning of" The Holy Bible":toofunny Of course the rest of us would have to threaten to riot and kill people.


Wow.

So what you're wanting, is for a bible to be burned to make a point. Deplorable post.

[Michael]

Wow.

So what you're wanting, is for a bible to be burned to make a point. Deplorable post.

:thumbsup

[berkeley]

There is a bible burning article on CNN that was reported a yr ago. Didn't get much attention. I would post a link but my mobile web capabilities are very limited.

[Cindy]

Wow.

So what you're wanting, is for a bible to be burned to make a point. Deplorable post.

:thumbsup

[canam]

As if a lib would care !

[Sam]

Well, wouldn't it be OK to burn any non-KJV Bible?

[canam]

I think its safe to say secretary gates ,otrauma or patraeus wouldnt even notice no matter what version it was.

[Sam]

I remember when the RSV (Revised Standard Version) Bible was published. I remember seeing news articles about a minister throwing a copy of it into a tub of lye on his church platform and another minister taking a blowtorch to a copy and saying, "It's like the devil. It's hard to burn."

I was not going to a UPC church at that time but the UPC passed a resolution against the RSV Bible and published the resolution and an article condemning the RSV in the November 1953 issue of the Pentecostal Herald.

[canam]

I remember when the RSV (Revised Standard Version) Bible was published. I remember seeing news articles about a minister throwing a copy of it into a tub of lye on his church platform and another minister taking a blowtorch to a copy and saying, "It's like the devil. It's hard to burn."

I was not going to a UPC church at that time but the UPC passed a resolution against the RSV Bible and published the resolution and an article condemning the RSV in the November 1953 issue of the Pentecostal Herald. Amazing !

[Liberal]

As if a lib would care !


Your rhetoric is base and there's really nothing I need to add to the self-image you create with your own hate-speech. I care deeply, with all my heart, about the Bible, the express Word of God, and your foolish jesting about burning it strikes pain in my heart. How you can claim any love or reverence for the bible and The Christ that is revealed through it, while joking about burning it, just to make a political point about a president, is beyond disgusting. Shame on you!

[canam]

Your rhetoric is base and there's really nothing I need to add to the self-image you create with your own hate-speech. I care deeply, with all my heart, about the Bible, the express Word of God, and your foolish jesting about burning it strikes pain in my heart. How you can claim any love or reverence for the bible and The Christ that is revealed through it, while joking about burning it, just to make a political point about a president, is beyond disgusting. Shame on you!:blah:blah:blah:blah

[Liberal]

:blah:blah:blah:blah

Is that as intellectual as you're able to come up with? How about responding to what I said, unless you're unable to. I suppose I would have to consider that you're only capable of responding with cartoons.

[Socialite]

I wish someone would burn a bible on easter just to see if otrauma would denounce the burning of" The Holy Bible":toofunny Of course the rest of us would have to threaten to riot and kill people.

That's silly. Why must everything be an Obama bash session. The same people cried about Bush getting blamed for everything... yet they play the same game!

#1 If a story that creates national interest stirs about an Imam in America announcing a Christian Bible burning, please let me know.

#2 The Christian Bible, by most Christians, is not looked at as a spiritual relic as the Quran is to Muslims. Thus, you are not even close to apples-to-apples.

#3 Obviously, this pastor was a whack job and intentionally trying to be provocative.

[Socialite]

There is a bible burning article on CNN that was reported a yr ago. Didn't get much attention. I would post a link but my mobile web capabilities are very limited.

Who burned? What was the point? Why do you think it didn't stir national interest? Because the majority of Americans don't care? A conspiracy against Christians?

[Socialite]

Your rhetoric is base and there's really nothing I need to add to the self-image you create with your own hate-speech. I care deeply, with all my heart, about the Bible, the express Word of God, and your foolish jesting about burning it strikes pain in my heart. How you can claim any love or reverence for the bible and The Christ that is revealed through it, while joking about burning it, just to make a political point about a president, is beyond disgusting. Shame on you!

It's pages, ink and bound leather. It's not an idol, or an object of spiritual significance. It's words have a message, and in them is LIFE. That's the distinction.

[whoami]

It is insignificant to me if someone wants to burn Bibles. The malice towards God that would be behind such an action makes me sad for the person harboring it, but as far as the Bibles themselves, I have His Word hidden in my heart. We're talking about printed paper. It's insignificant to me.

[Liberal]

It's pages, ink and bound leather. It's not an idol, or an object of spiritual significance. It's words have a message, and in them is LIFE. That's the distinction.


Very well said.

The concept that one of them should be burned just to make an anti-Obama point, is repulsive to me. "Hate Obama" has been added as one of the fundamental Christian tenants. It gets really old.

[coadie]

As his New Testament had been pirated for various unsatisfactory editions, he published a revision in 1534, with a third, revised edition in 1535. In 1535, however, he was seized by the local government authorities in Antwerp, where he was living, for being a propagator of heresy. After months of imprisonment and many theological disputations he was condemned in August 1536 for persistence in heresy, and in October he was strangled to death and his body publicly cremated.

The translations and the translator were burned. William Tyndale.

In November all available copies were burned at St. Paul's Crosshttp://www.answers.com/topic/william-tyndale

[coadie]

Very well said.

The concept that one of them should be burned just to make an anti-Obama point, is repulsive to me. "Hate Obama" has been added as one of the fundamental Christian tenants. It gets really old.

Now you drag Obama into the argument. Do you know why you do that?

Do you worship him and see activist activities as a threat to der Leader?

[whoami]

Very well said.

The concept that one of them should be burned just to make an anti-Obama point, is repulsive to me. "Hate Obama" has been added as one of the fundamental Christian tenants. It gets really old.

Yeah I hear ya. I'm pretty conservative politically and I don't like Obama, but I didn't like Bush either, and approving or disapproving of Presidents doesn't factor into my faith at all. :bliss

[citizen]

This pastor is such a silly silly man.

He stepped into somthing that surely God has not called him to do.

But it may start muslims to bomb some of the churches here - which just may have a silver lining.

Persecution has always been good for the Church.

[coadie]

This pastor is such a silly silly man.

He stepped into somthing that surely God has not called him to do.

But it may start muslims to bomb some of the churches here - which just may have a silver lining.

Persecution has always been good for the Church.

Do Muslims have zero self control?

[Aquila]

I think the burning of Bibles would provoke several public statements of condmenation and pass.

Why?

Because our God transcends the existance of a physical book. Religions who have no foundation but their writing... well... they might be rather outraged.

[Timmy]

This pastor is such a silly silly man.

He stepped into somthing that surely God has not called him to do.

But it may start muslims to bomb some of the churches here - which just may have a silver lining.

Persecution has always been good for the Church.

:blink

[Aquila]

Coadie... you have a response from the other thread:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=961424&postcount=203

[pelathais]

This pastor is such a silly silly man.

He stepped into somthing that surely God has not called him to do.

But it may start muslims to bomb some of the churches here - which just may have a silver lining.

Persecution has always been good for the Church.

:blink

I agree with Tim-tim. "persecution has always been good...?" Okay citizen, you go first.

[pelathais]

I agree with Tim-tim. "persecution has always been good...?" Okay citizen, you go first.

Some other thoughts come immediately to mind...

The Hussite Reformation which took place in the 1200's in Bohemia was a real awakening of Christian thought and freedom. The believers in Bohemia and Moravia (today's Czech Republic) thrived and grew. It was a blessed spring time of revival and hope.

Then came the persecution. The royal house of Bohemia was all but wiped out. The rich silver mines were turned over to the Austrians. The hillsides were littered with the corpses of those who had once breathed and lived freely.

Today? Almost no one even knows what I'm talking about. Yeah, persecution was "good" for those believers and those who follow them.

[Aquila]

Some other thoughts come immediately to mind...

The Hussite Reformation which took place in the 1200's in Bohemia was a real awakening of Christian thought and freedom. The believers in Bohemia and Moravia (today's Czech Republic) thrived and grew. It was a blessed spring time of revival and hope.

Then came the persecution. The royal house of Bohemia was all but wiped out. The rich silver mines were turned over to the Austrians. The hillsides were littered with the corpses of those who had once breathed and lived freely.

Today? Almost no one even knows what I'm talking about. Yeah, persecution was "good" for those believers and those who follow them.

Ouch. Okay... it's sometimes good for the church. LOL

[Twisp]

I wish someone would burn a bible on easter just to see if otrauma would denounce the burning of" The Holy Bible":toofunny Of course the rest of us would have to threaten to riot and kill people.

Considering he is a Christian, I am sure he would come out against burning a Bible.

[coadie]

Ouch. Okay... it's sometimes good for the church. LOL

10Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land. 11Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.

12But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were grieved because of the children of Israel.

13And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour:

14And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.

15And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah:

16And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.

17But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive.

18And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive?

19And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them.

20Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty.

[Timmy]

I agree with Tim-tim. . . .

:woohoo

[pelathais]

10Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land. 11Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.

12But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were grieved because of the children of Israel.

13And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour:

14And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour. ...

Okay Big c.

Let's see you give yourself up as a slave to the Somalis or Sudanese, or even take a house cleaning job for some Saudis. You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

Put your message into a practical application and show me that intentional suffering works. Go and stand at the gates to the Temple Mount and burn a Koran right there on a Friday before prayers.

Or visit the Christians in Muslim countries and just try and help them out a bit. See what happens. The "church" in Lebanon has all but vanished today. "Iraq" used to be almost 100% Christian at one time. Look at what centuries of persecution have done there. "Algeria" was the home to one of the greatest schools of Christian learning - just try and find any Christians there today.

Look at what persecution has done to Nazareth and Galilee. You'll find a lot of Oneness believers there today - NOT!

[coadie]

:woohoo

You have been validated!

[Timmy]

You have been validated!

Exactly! :D

[Praxeas]

There is a bible burning article on CNN that was reported a yr ago. Didn't get much attention. I would post a link but my mobile web capabilities are very limited.
Nobody fears Christians. They fear Muslims

[canam]

Considering he is a Christian, I am sure he would come out against burning a Bible.:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

[coadie]

My pastor once preached with a bible and tore out pages. The first chapters of genesis must be torn out for the Evolutionists. Many of the chapters to the churches must be torn out. They don't fit the modern culture. There are a lot of scriptures many churches won't cover.
By the time you take stuff out to please every body, there isn't much left.

[Liberal]

Now you drag Obama into the argument. Do you know why you do that?

Do you worship him and see activist activities as a threat to der Leader?


I did not bring him into the discussion. The original post in this thread did. Surely you're aware of that.

[Twisp]

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

Well, he is. You would have to be fundamentally, willfully ignorant to believe otherwise.

[Liberal]

Well, he is. You would have to be fundamentally, willfully ignorant to believe otherwise.


But haven't you heard? President Obama represents everything that could ever possibly be evil, possibly even the anti-Christ.

[coadie]

But haven't you heard? President Obama represents everything that could ever possibly be evil, possibly even the anti-Christ.

ABORTION

Obama voted against the born alive infant protection act. Then he lied about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvIx2v0LMo

He is a liar.

August 28, 2008

Senator Barack Obama and his campaign staff have made many conflicting claims in an attempt to "explain" his opposition in 2001, 2002, and 2003, while an Illinois state senator, to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, legislation to provide legal protection for babies who are born alive during abortions. The language of the Illinois bills was very similar to the language of the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA), which was first introduced in Congress in 2000 and enacted into law in 2002. This document provides short rebuttals to a number of the often-shifting Obama claims. For much more extensive documentation on the Obama record on this issue, see http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/index.html



That is why it was of considerable significance when the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) uncovered, and publicly released on August 11, 2008, three documents that proved that on March 13, 2003, Obama, as chairman of the Illinois Senate Health and Human Services Committee, actually presided over a committee meeting at which the original state Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (SB 1082) was revised to make it virtually identical to the federal law – including the addition of exactly the same "neutrality clause." (To see the exact language of the original bill, next to the final language of the bill that Obama killed, refer to the last page of this document.) Yet, immediately after that change was made, Obama voted against the amended bill, and it was defeated on a party-line vote, 6-4. In other words, Obama led the way in killing a bill that was virtually identical to the federal law – the federal law that, since 2004, he has insisted he would have voted for if he’d had the chance.
http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/WhitePaperAugust282008.html
I expect Obama to lie and he does.
Killing the unborn is anti-christ. If you vote for Obama, that is how we see you support his behavior. If you have problems with abortion, it doesn't take many brains to vote against the people that push it.

As it turns out - and as even Mr. Obama's campaign admitted Monday to the New York Sun - the National Right to Life Committee wasn't lying; Mr. Obama was.

Liberals get very angry and defensive when they have the opportunity to see Obama lie on camera with a straight face.

Democrats support the mother's right to kill her unborn baby.

Look at the party platform if you don't understand.

[ChTatum]

But haven't you heard? President Obama represents everything that could ever possibly be evil, possibly even the anti-Christ.

Gosh, some liberals are capable of comprehension.


Who would have thought such possible?

[RevDWW]

Gosh, some liberals are capable of comprehension.


Who would have thought such possible?
Liberals often do not comprehend what they are saying.............:ursofunny

[ChTatum]

Liberals often do not comprehend what they are saying.............:ursofunny


What is amazing to me is how I am a conservative here and a liberal elsewhere.

Go figure.

[Twisp]

Liberals often do not comprehend what they are saying.............:ursofunny

And apparently a lot of the conservatives on this board forget the huge ordeal made over President Obama's previous pastor during the Presidential race, one Jeremiah Wright, pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ.

I guess President Obama was a Christian when that scandal was being pushed, and when that died out, so did his Christianity? lol

I mean, I understand that it is easier to be scared of phantom Muslim ties in regards to President Obama, but you would think that Christians would take that whole "Thous shalt not bear false witness" thing a little more seriously in their everyday lives.

But hey, that is just crazy talk, I know.

[coadie]

Gosh, some liberals are capable of comprehension.


Who would have thought such possible?

They had their eyes opened when they lost their jobs.

[ChTatum]

And apparently a lot of the conservatives on this board forget the huge ordeal made over President Obama's previous pastor during the Presidential race, one Jeremiah Wright, pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ.

I guess President Obama was a Christian when that scandal was being pushed, and when that died out, so did his Christianity? lol

I mean, I understand that it is easier to be scared of phantom Muslim ties in regards to President Obama, but you would think that Christians would take that whole "Thous shalt not bear false witness" thing a little more seriously in their everyday lives.

But hey, that is just crazy talk, I know.

Hey, you would think liberals would understand all that "you will know a tree by the fruit it bears" in relationship to President Obama.

But, we can't all be perfect.

Just glad to provide a mirror.

[ChTatum]

And apparently a lot of the conservatives on this board forget the huge ordeal made over President Obama's previous pastor during the Presidential race, one Jeremiah Wright, pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ.

I guess President Obama was a Christian when that scandal was being pushed, and when that died out, so did his Christianity? lol

I mean, I understand that it is easier to be scared of phantom Muslim ties in regards to President Obama, but you would think that Christians would take that whole "Thous shalt not bear false witness" thing a little more seriously in their everyday lives.

But hey, that is just crazy talk, I know.

I don't blame President Obama. Muslims believe it is OK to lie to us infidels.

[Twisp]

Hey, you would think liberals would take that "you will know a tree by the fruit it bears" in relationship to President Obama.

But, we can't all be perfect.

Just glad to provide a mirror.

Why don't you go ahead and explain those fruits with facts, and not the inane ramblings of WND and the like. Go ahead and explain how he was a Christian when the Jeremiah Wright scandal broke, but now that "Muslim" is the hot scare word now, he is now a secret Muslim.

[Twisp]

I don't blame President Obama. Muslims believe it is OK to lie to us infidels.

And again, any proof you have would be awesome.

[Sam]

My pastor once preached with a bible and tore out pages. The first chapters of genesis must be torn out for the Evolutionists. Many of the chapters to the churches must be torn out. They don't fit the modern culture. There are a lot of scriptures many churches won't cover.
By the time you take stuff out to please every body, there isn't much left.

reminds me of a couple things:

The story in Jeremiah chapter 36 where the king take a pen knife to the Word of God and begins to cut out part of it until it is completely destroyed

Those who would remove parts of the scriptures they do not agree with like Matthew 28:19 or 1 John 5:7 or places which speak of miracles or of judgment

[ChTatum]

Why don't you go ahead and explain those fruits with facts, and not the inane ramblings of WND and the like. Go ahead and explain how he was a Christian when the Jeremiah Wright scandal broke, but now that "Muslim" is the hot scare word now, he is now a secret Muslim.

I'm sorry. Apparently I am not good at communication..

FTR, I never thought he was a Christian.

Going to church doesn't make us Christian anymore than standing in a garage would make us a car.

[coadie]

And apparently a lot of the conservatives on this board forget the huge ordeal made over President Obama's previous pastor during the Presidential race, one Jeremiah Wright, pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ.

I guess President Obama was a Christian when that scandal was being pushed, and when that died out, so did his Christianity? lol

I mean, I understand that it is easier to be scared of phantom Muslim ties in regards to President Obama, but you would think that Christians would take that whole "Thous shalt not bear false witness" thing a little more seriously in their everyday lives.

But hey, that is just crazy talk, I know.

Obama celebrated the start of Ramadan. That is what good Muslims do. Has he been caught darkening the door of a church lately?


He does pay his tithing to kill babies

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The American economy is in turmoil but the Obama administration sent a $50 million check yesterday to the United Nations Population Fund. That's the pro-abortion group that has been accused of supporting and working in concert with Chinese family planning officials.

Tweisp is pro abortion.

[Sam]

...
Democrats support the mother's right to kill her unborn baby.
...


I realize two things:
there are differences of opinion among Christians on abortion
and
I'm not a woman so maybe I can't speak on the subject
but
I have a problem voting for a party which endorses abortion.

[Liberal]

And apparently a lot of the conservatives on this board forget the huge ordeal made over President Obama's previous pastor during the Presidential race, one Jeremiah Wright, pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ.

I guess President Obama was a Christian when that scandal was being pushed, and when that died out, so did his Christianity? lol

I mean, I understand that it is easier to be scared of phantom Muslim ties in regards to President Obama, but you would think that Christians would take that whole "Thous shalt not bear false witness" thing a little more seriously in their everyday lives.

But hey, that is just crazy talk, I know.


All I need to know about President Obama is who hates him. From there, it's easy to figure out whether or not I respect, admire, and like him. This forum makes those decisions much easier.

[ChTatum]

And again, any proof you have would be awesome.

Telling the Florida pastor to not burn the Koran (and no, I don't think he should either) but remaining in support of Imam Rauf building a mosque some two blocks from Ground Zero permits me to think President Obama is less than objective.

Both are First Amendment issues, yet he only tells one not to proceed with stated course of action.

The Florida pastor, Terry Jones, is a loon.

As are extremists Muslims.

[ChTatum]

All I need to know about President Obama is who hates him. From there, it's easy to figure out whether or not I respect, admire, and like him. This forum makes those decisions much easier.


I don't hate him, I find him pathetic. But calling those who disagree with him or you a "hater" simply means you have no other argument to offer.

[ChTatum]

I realize two things:
there are differences of opinion among Christians on abortion
and
I'm not a woman so maybe I can't speak on the subject
but
I have a problem voting for a party which endorses abortion.

Yes, you can, Sam.

Gender has no specific corner on morality.

[Twisp]

Obama celebrated the start of Ramadan. That is what good Muslims do. Has he been caught darkening the door of a church lately?


He does pay his tithing to kill babies



Tweisp is pro abortion.


Considering only 43% of Americans say they go to church frequently (meaning at least once a week), does that mean the other 57% are Muslims also?

My God, is over half the country one giant secret Muslim sleeper cell? These are grave times indeed, lol



Coadie is pro unicorn.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/141044/Americans-Church-Attendance-Inches-2010.aspx

[Liberal]

Telling the Florida pastor to not burn the Koran (and no, I don't think he should either) but remaining in support of Imam Rauf building a mosque some two blocks from Ground Zero permits me to think President Obama is less than objective.

Both are First Amendment issues, yet he only tells one not to proceed with stated course of action.

The Florida pastor, Terry Jones, is a loon.

As are extremists Muslims.


As the pentecostal hero, Rush "Five Wives" Limbaugh says, "Words mean things" and here, you're either ignorantly or deceitfully using the smallest error in words, which is a tactic used since satan in the Garden of Eden.

You say President Obama supports him in building a mosque next to Ground Zero. Two problems...1) The proposed site is NOT next to Ground Zero. This is a lie that has been repeated way too many times; and 2) President Obama does NOT support him in building it there, but rather, supports his RIGHT to build it and in that support, I am in complete agreement.

[coadie]

reminds me of a couple things:

The story in Jeremiah chapter 36 where the king take a pen knife to the Word of God and begins to cut out part of it until it is completely destroyed

Those who would remove parts of the scriptures they do not agree with like Matthew 28:19 or 1 John 5:7 or places which speak of miracles or of judgment

I was raised German. In the Luther 1545 bible, the trinitarian mess often quoted in KJV and other bibles didn't exist. In first 1 John 5 it mentions ONLY spirit wasser and blood. You are wrong. It was not in the Luther bible and it was added.
I have no problems taking something out that should never have been added.

6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


6Dieser ist's, der da kommt mit Wasser und Blut, Jesus Christus; nicht mit Wasser allein, sondern mit Wasser und Blut. Und der Geist ist's, der da zeugt; denn der Geist ist die Wahrheit.

7Denn drei sind, die da zeugen: der Geist und das Wasser und das Blut;
8und die drei sind beisammen.


I have removed one verse that we can't rely on for trinie doctrine.
I was raised Mennonite. I didn't know the trinitarian doctrine until joining a Oneness church.

They never covered it in church or in bible school!!!

[Liberal]

I don't hate him, I find him pathetic. But calling those who disagree with him or you a "hater" simply means you have no other argument to offer.


Fine....."All I need to know about President Obama is who finds him pathetic. From there, it's easy to figure out whether or not I respect, admire, and like him. This forum makes those decisions much easier."

There, that better for you, sir?

[Twisp]

Telling the Florida pastor to not burn the Koran (and no, I don't think he should either) but remaining in support of Imam Rauf building a mosque some two blocks from Ground Zero permits me to think President Obama is less than objective.

Both are First Amendment issues, yet he only tells one not to proceed with stated course of action.

The Florida pastor, Terry Jones, is a loon.

As are extremists Muslims.

Michael Bloomberg has done the same thing, is he a secret Muslim also?

I think the book burning idea was not the best idea, but I am okay with the cultural center. Am I a secret Muslim also?

[coadie]

As the pentecostal hero, Rush "Five Wives" Limbaugh says, "Words mean things" and here, you're either ignorantly or deceitfully using the smallest error in words, which is a tactic used since satan in the Garden of Eden.

You say President Obama supports him in building a mosque next to Ground Zero. Two problems...1) The proposed site is NOT next to Ground Zero. This is a lie that has been repeated way too many times; and 2) President Obama does NOT support him in building it there, but rather, supports his RIGHT to build it and in that support, I am in complete agreement.

And Obama flipp flooped on his own message.

Words mean something. His sounds stupid with out a teleprompter. (and with one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A_8R9UuMhE

Can't think on his feet.

[ChTatum]

As the pentecostal hero, Rush "Five Wives" Limbaugh says, "Words mean things" and here, you're either ignorantly or deceitfully using the smallest error in words, which is a tactic used since satan in the Garden of Eden.

You say President Obama supports him in building a mosque next to Ground Zero. Two problems...1) The proposed site is NOT next to Ground Zero. This is a lie that has been repeated way too many times; and 2) President Obama does NOT support him in building it there, but rather, supports his RIGHT to build it and in that support, I am in complete agreement.

Goodness, reading comprehension is available as a free course at some community colleges.

You should check one out.

I never said it was. I said it was "two blocks" from Ground Zero.

As to Rush, he has been married four times, but never let facts confuse you.

[ChTatum]

Michael Bloomberg has done the same thing, is he a secret Muslim also?

I think the book burning idea was not the best idea, but I am okay with the cultural center. Am I a secret Muslim also?

Nah, just stupid.

But not to worry, despite his attempts to seek a third term, it ain't gonna happen.

[Twisp]

Nah, just stupid.

But not to worry, despite his attempts to seek a third term, it ain't gonna happen.

Bloomberg is in his third term already.

He has not shown much interest in running for a fourth term, since it would require the City Council to amend the law again. Hasn't completely ruled it out, but he isn't actively pursing it.

[Liberal]

Goodness, reading comprehension is available as a free course at some community colleges.

You should check one out.

I never said it was. I said it was "two blocks" from Ground Zero.

As to Rush, he has been married four times, but never let facts confuse you.


...and obviously you should enroll in the comprehension class because you either refuse to understand or can't understand. If you can't, I'll leave you alone and let you play Legos. But if you can, please notice that my point was made concerning President Obama's support of their RIGHT, not their decision.

Wake up, old man, stop eating so much and just simply take in what I'm saying.

Only four times for Rush? Sorry, it's easy to lose count once a person has bounced around that much.

[Fiyahstarter]

...and obviously you should enroll in the comprehension class because you either refuse to understand or can't understand. If you can't, I'll leave you alone and let you play Legos. But if you can, please notice that my point was made concerning President Obama's support of their RIGHT, not their decision.

Wake up, old man, stop eating so much and just simply take in what I'm saying.

Only four times for Rush? Sorry, it's easy to lose count once a person has bounced around that much.

Supporting the rights of the Muslims, but not the rights of the Koran burner IS the point. Duh.

[ChTatum]

Bloomberg is in his third term already.

He has not shown much interest in running for a fourth term, since it would require the City Council to amend the law again. Hasn't completely ruled it out, but he isn't actively pursing it.

My apologies, sir. Misread the info on Wikipedia.

Upon further reading on my part, you are correct.

[Fiyahstarter]

Telling the Florida pastor to not burn the Koran (and no, I don't think he should either) but remaining in support of Imam Rauf building a mosque some two blocks from Ground Zero permits me to think President Obama is less than objective.

Both are First Amendment issues, yet he only tells one not to proceed with stated course of action.

The Florida pastor, Terry Jones, is a loon.

As are extremists Muslims.

Here, Tatum. I'll post it again. It takes some people longer than others.

[ChTatum]

...and obviously you should enroll in the comprehension class because you either refuse to understand or can't understand. If you can't, I'll leave you alone and let you play Legos. But if you can, please notice that my point was made concerning President Obama's support of their RIGHT, not their decision.

Wake up, old man, stop eating so much and just simply take in what I'm saying.

Only four times for Rush? Sorry, it's easy to lose count once a person has bounced around that much.


LOL!

1. The difference between fat people and ugly people is that fat people can go on a diet. Ugly folks always going to be ugly.

2. Old? Glad to have made it to 52. Hope you do the same, if you haven't already.

[Twisp]

Supporting the rights of the Muslims, but not the rights of the Bible burner IS the point. Duh.

He supported the rights of both groups of Americans in regards to the cultural center and the Koran burning.

He merely voiced his opinion, much like everyone else, on the wisdom of the Koran burning.

[Liberal]

Supporting the rights of the Muslims, but not the rights of the Koran burner IS the point. Duh.


And you're comparing the building, the establishment, the raising up of a place of worship for Muslims, to the destruction of what is considered a sacred writing to many? Seriously?

[Liberal]

LOL!

1. The difference between fat people and ugly people is that fat people can go on a diet. Ugly folks always going to be ugly.

2. Old? Glad to have made it to 52. Hope you do the same, if you haven't already.


My apologies. You look much older than 52.

Fat and ugly? My apologies, again, to your conditions. So sorry.


(We've now reached the place of truly productive dialogue. Since Heavyweight champ, Tatum, cannot address my pointing out of his deliberate twisting and misrepresentation of what President Obama has said, I'll have to play along in this mud-slinging contest. Mostly likely, I'll win this one too. I'm way ahead so far, it seems)

[Fiyahstarter]

And you're comparing the building, the establishment, the raising up of a place of worship for Muslims, to the destruction of what is considered a sacred writing to many? Seriously?

I'm comparing the RIGHT to do one stupid thing to the RIGHT to do another.

[Liberal]

I'm comparing the RIGHT to do one stupid thing to the RIGHT to do another.

Yes, correct. The right to building a building vs. the right to destroy. It's actually no comparison at all, now is it? As you said, "Duh."

[Twisp]

I'm comparing the RIGHT to do one stupid thing to the RIGHT to do another.

And President Obama did not say either one did not have the right. In fact, he supported the rights of each group to do what they legally wanted to do.

[Liberal]

And President Obama did not say either one did not have the right. In fact, he supported the rights of each group to do what they legally wanted to do.

Twisp, I don't mind arguing with conservatives, but could we put out the call to those who are better at it? I feel like I'm taking batting practice.:lol

[coadie]

As the pentecostal hero, Rush "Five Wives" Limbaugh says, "Words mean things" and here, you're either ignorantly or deceitfully using the smallest error in words, which is a tactic used since satan in the Garden of Eden.

You say President Obama supports him in building a mosque next to Ground Zero. Two problems...1) The proposed site is NOT next to Ground Zero. This is a lie that has been repeated way too many times; and 2) President Obama does NOT support him in building it there, but rather, supports his RIGHT to build it and in that support, I am in complete agreement.

Rush eh?

He is a very wise man. He predicted the Obama economy with much greater accuracy than the Obama economists could. Obama hired stupid economists that whisper sweet
promises in his ear and can't forecast.
Could we land a man on the moon if we were off 25%?

I was a sophomore in economics when Carter said stupid stuff about economics. I said no one was more ignorant than Carter on economics. We have one now. Rush could forecast better than all the teachers he finds.

[Sam]

And you're comparing the building, the establishment, the raising up of a place of worship for Muslims, to the destruction of what is considered a sacred writing to many? Seriously?

yeppers,
both are insensitive acts

[Twisp]

Twisp, I don't mind arguing with conservatives, but could we put out the call to those who are better at it? I feel like I'm taking batting practice.:lol

lol, I am doing this in between watching old episodes of "The X-Files", so I am ambivalent.

[Sam]

...
I was a sophomore in economics when Carter said stupid stuff about economics. I said no one was more ignorant than Carter on economics. We have one now. ...

Pres. Carter has got to be feeling pretty good now. Since BHO's election, Pres. Carter is no longer considered by many to be the worst American President in history.

[Michael]

Pres. Carter has got to be feeling pretty good now. Since BHO's election, Pres. Carter is no longer considered by many to be the worst American President in history.

:ursofunny:thumbsup

[Jason B]

I wish someone would burn a bible on easter just to see if otrauma would denounce the burning of" The Holy Bible":toofunny Of course the rest of us would have to threaten to riot and kill people.

While everyone is basically saying how studpid this post is, I think the point it makes is both valid and sad.

Valid in that our president (who is sworn in on the Bible) probably wouldn't even bat an eye, and the American media, along with the medias of the world would either 1)not care enough to report it or 2)give a "bravo" approval

The sad part is not that there would be outrage and riots threatened by Chrisitans (riots would be sad, since thats anti christian) but the sad part is, as long as it didn't effect their homes, jobs, and finances, 99% of the "christians" in the country would give a care, probably with the attitude "its a free country"

[Twisp]

I'm sorry. Apparently I am not good at communication..

FTR, I never thought he was a Christian.

Going to church doesn't make us Christian anymore than standing in a garage would make us a car.

There is far more proof of him being a Christian than there is of him being a Muslim.

[coadie]

There is far more proof of him being a Christian than there is of him being a Muslim.

What a stupid statement. You are born again or you are not.
People that are born again oppose the killing of unborn children and also vote the same.
The crazy man wouldn't get caught in church but plays golf how many times a week?

[canam]

There is far more proof of him being a Christian than there is of him being a Muslim.

Really!!,i dont know any christians who can site the "holy koran" while rolling the k as he calls it and do the sunset prayer in a perfect arab accent.

[coadie]

Really!!,i dont know any christians who can site the "holy koran" while rolling the k as he calls it and do the sunset prayer in a perfect arab accent.

“The Muslim ‘Call to Prayer’ is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.” –Barack Hussein Obama

Muslims worship Allah who had no son.

Listen to the heathen call to prayer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGYK8qyVaRU&feature=player_embedded

We call on Jesus. The name above all names.

[coadie]

There is far more proof of him being a Christian than there is of him being a Muslim.

In a 2004 interview with Cathleen Falsani, Obama said, “I believe that there are many paths to the same place.” Obama also said, “All people of faith—Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone knows the same God.”

But Jesus said in John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Nowhere in the Bible is there a reference to Obama’s “many paths.”

Obama says Jesus is lying in John 14:6

[Sam]

There is far more proof of him being a Christian than there is of him being a Muslim.

Well, a couple of "Muslim" things he's done lately:

He refers to the Muslim scriptures as "the Holy Quran"

He said there is no more beautiful sound than the Muslim call to prayer.

He told Muslim leaders that the U.S. is a large Muslim nation.

He has bowed to Muslim leaders.

He does not take his wife to Muslim countries with him.

He sat under the Rev. Jeremiah Wright for 20 years giving validation and approval to him and his "gospel" Muslims can accept Isa/Jesus as a prophet and teacher and an example of good works.

He recently celebrated Ramadan by giving a dinner for Muslim leaders.
On 9/11 he celebrated Ramadan by joining other Muslims in their good deeds they do. He went to a school and painted.

[Liberal]

While everyone is basically saying how studpid this post is, I think the point it makes is both valid and sad.

Valid in that our president (who is sworn in on the Bible) probably wouldn't even bat an eye, and the American media, along with the medias of the world would either 1)not care enough to report it or 2)give a "bravo" approval

The sad part is not that there would be outrage and riots threatened by Chrisitans (riots would be sad, since thats anti christian) but the sad part is, as long as it didn't effect their homes, jobs, and finances, 99% of the "christians" in the country would give a care, probably with the attitude "its a free country"


Yes, the post was and is as ridiculous as I, and others, have said. First of all, it's foolish jesting about burning a bible. I'm surprised that doesn't bother you.

Second, a scenario has been created, that has not taken place, and judgment of our president has been issued based on something that hasn't happened! How completely ridiculous.

Why don't we start a thread that says, "I'll bet if George W. Bush had ever had the opportunity, he would have hidden nuclear weapons in the desert of Iraq so that they could be discovered just to save face" and then a bunch of we liberals start ripping him for that.

You wouldn't stand for that, would you Jason? So while you and others still have the chance to sound, at least, remotely intelligent, why don't you just stop judging the president for something that has never happened?

[Walks_in_islam]

http://www.newser.com/story/59546/us-army-burned-bibles-in-afghanistan.html

There ya go. Now start a riot........

This is an old story.

[Liberal]

Well, a couple of "Muslim" things he's done lately:

He refers to the Muslim scriptures as "the Holy Quran"

He said there is no more beautiful sound than the Muslim call to prayer.

He told Muslim leaders that the U.S. is a large Muslim nation.

He has bowed to Muslim leaders.

He does not take his wife to Muslim countries with him.

He sat under the Rev. Jeremiah Wright for 20 years giving validation and approval to him and his "gospel" Muslims can accept Isa/Jesus as a prophet and teacher and an example of good works.

He recently celebrated Ramadan by giving a dinner for Muslim leaders.
On 9/11 he celebrated Ramadan by joining other Muslims in their good deeds they do. He went to a school and painted.


With the exception of attending Rev. Wright's church, as the pastor of a Christ-centered church, I would also do each of these things you have listed. It has to do with respecting the culture of others. For whatever President Obama has done that has been beneficial, or not so beneficial, he has done this very well and I greatly admire him for it.

I am still amazed that right-wing stuffed shirts are worked up about President Obama bowing to a Muslim leader. What did you want him to do, hit him in the head with a 2x4? Probably so.

[citizen]

Lets be honest -
the problem is President Obama will never do anything correctly or has even did anything correctly is because he has no right being President...

[Jason B]

Yes, the post was and is as ridiculous as I, and others, have said. First of all, it's foolish jesting about burning a bible. I'm surprised that doesn't bother you.

Second, a scenario has been created, that has not taken place, and judgment of our president has been issued based on something that hasn't happened! How completely ridiculous.

Why don't we start a thread that says, "I'll bet if George W. Bush had ever had the opportunity, he would have hidden nuclear weapons in the desert of Iraq so that they could be discovered just to save face" and then a bunch of we liberals start ripping him for that.

You wouldn't stand for that, would you Jason? So while you and others still have the chance to sound, at least, remotely intelligent, why don't you just stop judging the president for something that has never happened?

The liberal mr smith?

[Liberal]

Lets be honest -
the problem is President Obama will never do anything correctly or has even did anything correctly is because he has no right being President...


This is the kind of statement that can never be backed up by anything credible, and really, it's sad. The rhetoric thermometer has risen to ridiculous levels.

[Liberal]

The liberal mr smith?

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what this means.

[coadie]

With the exception of attending Rev. Wright's church, as the pastor of a Christ-centered church, I would also do each of these things you have listed. It has to do with respecting the culture of others. For whatever President Obama has done that has been beneficial, or not so beneficial, he has done this very well and I greatly admire him for it. I am still amazed that right-wing stuffed shirts are worked up about President Obama bowing to a Muslim leader. What did you want him to do, hit him in the head with a 2x4? Probably so.

Like voting against the Born alive Infant Protection Act?

Moral depravity is demonstrated by Obama's stance on the innocent unborn.
Liberals have their morality for sale. I notice you don't speak against abortion and thiose that push the abortion agenda. But you act all righteopus about burning bibles and religious books. After the Gutenburg press was invented, we can print books by the thousands. I wouldn't have a problem dropping a couple hundred thousand from an airplane into a communist country.
Now the real kicker, liberals fake angst about burning books and spend millions suing schools and trying to keep the bible out of the school house.
Two faced hypocrits? You betcha.

[citizen]

This is the kind of statement that can never be backed up by anything credible, and really, it's sad. The rhetoric thermometer has risen to ridiculous levels.

I know what of what I speak.

I SAW IT ON FOX NEWS.

He has a deep seated hatred for white people - I heard it with my own ears on Fox and Friends - not the main stream media.
He is a Muslin.
He is a man that had his children baptized in a christian church that does not appreciate all that white people have did for blacks and ARE NOW doing, the pastor of this church had the nerve to say mean hurtful things about this country which has given these people so much...I saw it with my own eyes on Sean Hannity
His wife is on tape - calling white people 'whitey'...Laura Ingram was hosting OReilly when she came & out informed America of such a tape.

I saw all of this on Fox - the greatest news outlet in the world.
Thats how I back up what I KNOW.

[Twisp]

I know what of what I speak.

I SAW IT ON FOX NEWS.

He has a deep seated hatred for white people - I heard it with my own ears on Fox and Friends - not the main stream media.
He is a Muslin.
He is a man that had his children baptized in a christian church that does not appreciate all that white people have did for blacks and ARE NOW doing, the pastor of this church had the nerve to say mean hurtful things about this country which has given these people so much...I saw it with my own eyes on Sean Hannity
His wife is on tape - calling white people 'whitey'...Laura Ingram was hosting OReilly when she came & out informed America of such a tape.

I saw all of this on Fox - the greatest news outlet in the world.
Thats how I back up what I KNOW.

Exactly. It is surprising how many people don't like getting information from both sides, and instead get it from just one source.

My sister and I are slowly turning my mother from a one-source person. She'll send us an email about something she saw on Fox, or on Limbaugh, and we'll send her information about what actually happened. Her usual response is, "Well, they didn't say anything about that on TV". lol She is coming around, though. She is searching more out for herself before she forwards anything to us.

It has gotten to the point where she won't tell us where she gets her information (although we can usually guess).

[Liberal]

I know what of what I speak.

I SAW IT ON FOX NEWS.

He has a deep seated hatred for white people - I heard it with my own ears on Fox and Friends - not the main stream media.
He is a Muslin.
He is a man that had his children baptized in a christian church that does not appreciate all that white people have did for blacks and ARE NOW doing, the pastor of this church had the nerve to say mean hurtful things about this country which has given these people so much...I saw it with my own eyes on Sean Hannity
His wife is on tape - calling white people 'whitey'...Laura Ingram was hosting OReilly when she came & out informed America of such a tape.

I saw all of this on Fox - the greatest news outlet in the world.
Thats how I back up what I KNOW.


:lol

[coadie]

Exactly. It is surprising how many people don't like getting information from both sides, and instead get it from just one source.

My sister and I are slowly turning my mother from a one-source person. She'll send us an email about something she saw on Fox, or on Limbaugh, and we'll send her information about what actually happened. Her usual response is, "Well, they didn't say anything about that on TV". lol She is coming around, though. She is searching more out for herself before she forwards anything to us.

It has gotten to the point where she won't tell us where she gets her information (although we can usually guess).

Are you watching Limbaugh on tv?

[Twisp]

Are you watching Limbaugh on tv?

No, he has his "ditto cam" where you can watch his show on his website.

[coadie]

No, he has his "ditto cam" where you can watch his show on his website.

He does? So it is not on TV?

I have never watched him. I did listen to him in the 90's at noon while driving. You probably prefer Maddow, Chris Tingles and Olberman more.

[Twisp]

He does? So it is not on TV?

I have never watched him. I did listen to him in the 90's at noon while driving. You probably prefer Maddow, Chris Tingles and Olberman more.

I never said it was on TV.

I do not listen to any of the three you listed. I prefer reading articles rather than listening to people argue.