What is "Charismatic?"

[houstonupci]

What is the Charismatic movement all about? Not looking for a political answer. Just looking for the facts.

I have a narrow-minded view of the movement, but I'm willing to admit that. Basically, I've been led to believe that Charismatic folk are those that have simply dropped "standards." I'm not naive enough to believe that. I have a grandfather that says a church is "Charismatic" when they drop Sunday night services. Haha.

Sorry for the over-abundance of posts, but I'm really enjoying this community of (mostly) believers.

[Jack Shephard]

Some would call "Charismatica" UPC without the standards.

[Mr. Smith]

What is the Charismatic movement all about? Not looking for a political answer. Just looking for the facts.

I have a narrow-minded view of the movement, but I'm willing to admit that. Basically, I've been led to believe that Charismatic folk are those that have simply dropped "standards." I'm not naive enough to believe that. I have a grandfather that says a church is "Charismatic" when they drop Sunday night services. Haha.

Sorry for the over-abundance of posts, but I'm really enjoying this community of (mostly) believers.


Over-Abundance?? You have no idea!!:toofunny

You have a narrow-minded view of the movement? You're better off than me!! I have a zero-minded view of it!!! The modern-day Charismatic movement, which almost always accompanies the prosperity movement, is the single-greatest embarrassment to the cause of Christ in Church history. Just turn on TBN and be shocked. I would be LDS before I'd be charismatic.

Charismatic is NOT just those who have dropped standards. Quite often, that's just people that wanna get away with stuff!:lol

[Jack Shephard]

Over-Abundance?? You have no idea!!:toofunny

You have a narrow-minded view of the movement? You're better off than me!! I have a zero-minded view of it!!! The modern-day Charismatic movement, which almost always accompanies the prosperity movement, is the single-greatest embarrassment to the cause of Christ in Church history. Just turn on TBN and be shocked. I would be LDS before I'd be charismatic.

Charismatic is NOT just those who have dropped standards. Quite often, that's just people that wanna get away with stuff!:lol

Go LDS they are good people. :thumbsup

[Mr. Smith]

Go LDS they are good people. :thumbsup


Heck, I'd even be UPC before I'd be a charismatic!! I'm serious, by the way.

[Jack Shephard]

No doubt. I would be UPC before I would be charismatic as you decsribed it.

[crakjak]

Nobody wants to be defined as a "Charismatic" these days!! Not even the charismatics. LOL

[berkeley]

Originally, Charismatics were liturgical churches that had fringes receive the Pentecostal baptism. Catholics, Anglican, etc. (the charismatic renewal) Today the Charismatic movement is represented by the TBN types, word of faith, etc. When an APOSTOLIC refers to someone as "charismatic", it could mean anything from: sister Susie started wearing lip gloss, brother Jim didn't shave today, To: brother Jack got a tattoo, and sister Sally cut her hair, wears pants, and goes to the movie-house.

[Mr. Smith]

Nobody wants to be defined as a "Charismatic" these days!! Not even the charismatics. LOL


:toofunny

Now why in the world would you not want to be associated with Todd Bentley, Kim Clement, Phil Munsey, Benny Hinn, Mike Murdock, Mark Chirona, etc.? These are fine, solid, dignified, upstanding theologians!

[Jack Shephard]

:toofunny

Now why in the world would you not want to be associated with Todd Bentley, Kim Clement, Phil Munsey, Benny Hinn, Mike Murdock, Mark Chirona, etc.? These are fine, solid, dignified, upstanding theologians!

All these men mentioned are great theologians and preachers.





:bliss

[crakjak]

:toofunny

Now why in the world would you not want to be associated with Todd Bentley, Kim Clement, Phil Munsey, Benny Hinn, Mike Murdock, Mark Chirona, etc.? These are fine, solid, dignified, upstanding theologians!

Exactly!!! Give me Franklin Graham!!

[crakjak]

Originally, Charismatics were liturgical churches that had fringes receive the Pentecostal baptism. Catholics, Anglican, etc. (the charismatic renewal) Today the Charismatic movement is represented by the TBN types, word of faith, etc. When an APOSTOLIC refers to someone as "charismatic", it could mean anything from: sister Susie started wearing lip gloss, brother Jim didn't shave today, To: brother Jack got a tattoo, and sister Sally cut her hair, wears pants, and goes to the movie-house.

There are "some" great folks that are still "Charismatic", but the name has been tainted, even outside of OP circles.

[Brad Murphy]

Ironically, if you look up the dictionary definition of the word charismatic, it defines the very people who take it as a slur... it's another one of those words I had to retrain my brain on so that I would use the correct definition and not the one from the UPC paradigm.

char·is·mat·ic   [kar-iz-mat-ik] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
of, having, or characteristic of charisma.
2.
characterizing Christians of various denominations who seek an ecstatic religious experience, sometimes including speaking in tongues and instantaneous healing.
–noun
3.
a Christian who emphasizes such a religious experience.

[Jack Shephard]

Ironically, if you look up the dictionary definition of the word charismatic, it defines the very people who take it as a slur... it's another one of those words I had to retrain my brain on so that I would use the correct definition and not the one from the UPC paradigm.

char·is·mat·ic   [kar-iz-mat-ik] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
of, having, or characteristic of charisma.
2.
characterizing Christians of various denominations who seek an ecstatic religious experience, sometimes including speaking in tongues and instantaneous healing.
–noun
3.
a Christian who emphasizes such a religious experience.


The UPC doesn't care what the true meaning of a word is. Just look at the word Grace. Good points though.

[Praxeas]

Charismatics were, as a group, believers that put emphasis on the gifts, not just tongues as evidence of the Holy Ghost. They believed in prophets and apostles. They mostly denied tongues was THE evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. As a movement, they never really had standards that I know of

[Sherri]

Charismatic, according to what I was taught growing up, was anyone who left "the truth" and went running after the world but still wanted to speak in tongues.

It was said we were "going Charismatic" 19 years ago when we left UPC. It's still said about us today. We are SO far from Charismatic, it's not even funny. Makes me laugh!

[kindofbelieve]

ironically, if you look up the dictionary definition of the word charismatic, it defines the very people who take it as a slur... It's another one of those words i had to retrain my brain on so that i would use the correct definition and not the one from the upc paradigm.

Char·is·mat·ic   [kar-iz-mat-ik] show ipa
–adjective
1.
Of, having, or characteristic of charisma.
2.
Characterizing christians of various denominations who seek an ecstatic religious experience, sometimes including speaking in tongues and instantaneous healing.
–noun
3.
A christian who emphasizes such a religious experience.


silence!!! I keel you!!!

[coadie]

Obama is charismatic

[scotty]

silence!!! I keel you!!!

Love that guy !!!

[whoami]

I remember being told stories about flag waving and such in churches that have "gone Charismatic", but can't remember any other specifics. After visiting some of the supposed "Charismatic" churches, they appeared to be just a church without dress standards that talked in tongues and didn't make a big deal about trinity or oneness. But this was about 10 years ago so I don't know how it might have changed.

Heck, I'd even be UPC before I'd be a charismatic!! I'm serious, by the way.

I'd be LDS before I'd be UPC. I'd have to completely throw away my personal beliefs about the Bible in order to join either, and (IMO) the LDS has a better social structure. :bliss

[Mr. Smith]

I remember being told stories about flag waving and such in churches that have "gone Charismatic", but can't remember any other specifics. After visiting some of the supposed "Charismatic" churches, they appeared to be just a church without dress standards that talked in tongues and didn't make a big deal about trinity or oneness. But this was about 10 years ago so I don't know how it might have changed.



I'd be LDS before I'd be UPC. I'd have to completely throw away my personal beliefs about the Bible in order to join either, and (IMO) the LDS has a better social structure. :bliss


Good point!:heeheehee

[deadeye]

Love that guy !!!

I would too...if he would clean up his act.

[deadeye]

Even if I went liberal, I would avoid the "charismatic" moniker like a plague....

[coadie]

I remember being told stories about flag waving and such in churches that have "gone Charismatic", but can't remember any other specifics. After visiting some of the supposed "Charismatic" churches, they appeared to be just a church without dress standards that talked in tongues and didn't make a big deal about trinity or oneness. But this was about 10 years ago so I don't know how it might have changed.



I'd be LDS before I'd be UPC. I'd have to completely throw away my personal beliefs about the Bible in order to join either, and (IMO) the LDS has a better social structure. :bliss

A Temple garment (also referred to as garments, or Mormon underwear is a type of ... In the 19th century, the temple garment was a one-piece undergarment extending to the ankles ...

[whoami]

A Temple garment (also referred to as garments, or Mormon underwear is a type of ... In the 19th century, the temple garment was a one-piece undergarment extending to the ankles ...

Yeah I know.... ?

[Mr. Smith]

Yeah I know.... ?


He just gets crazier and crazier.

[Praxeas]

Charismatic has been around for years long before I heard a UPCer speak of another UPC pastor or ex as "gone charismatic"...which IMO just proves how ignorant many UPCers are

[*AQuietPlace*]

Charismatic, according to what I was taught growing up, was anyone who left "the truth" and went running after the world but still wanted to speak in tongues.

It was said we were "going Charismatic" 19 years ago when we left UPC. It's still said about us today. We are SO far from Charismatic, it's not even funny. Makes me laugh!
What is your definition of Charismatic?

[*AQuietPlace*]

There are many different definitions of Charismatic..... depends on who you ask.

Originally, I thought it was non-denominational churches who believed in speaking in tongues. Then, it became anyone who "left standards" but continued speaking in tongues. These days, it seems to be tied to the extreme people on tv.

I don't know that there really is one definition.

[Praxeas]

There are many different definitions of Charismatic..... depends on who you ask.

Originally, I thought it was non-denominational churches who believed in speaking in tongues. Then, it became anyone who "left standards" but continued speaking in tongues. These days, it seems to be tied to the extreme people on tv.

I don't know that there really is one definition.
The word Charismatic comes from the word charisma for the spiritual gifts in ICor..how that can be associated with anyone that doesn't believe in the UPC standards only an Ultra Con can understand :ursofunny

[Sam]

I guess we each have our personal opinion of what Charismatic means, just like we each have our own opinion of what Apostolic means, or what Pentecostal means, or what Holiness means, or what Christian means.

[Praxeas]

The word Charismatic meaning "no standards" is like using the word "Pentecostal" to mean "no rapture"

Word Origin & History

charismatic
1882, from charisma (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/charisma). As a movement in Christian churches which believes in divine gifts of healing, etc., attested from 1936, reflecting the older sense of charisma (which was in Eng. as charism , pl. charismata , since c.1641).
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/charismatic

[Praxeas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_Movement

The term Charismatic Movement describes the adoption (circa 1960 onwards for Protestants, 1967 onwards for Roman Catholics) of certain beliefs typical of those held by Pentecostal Christians by those within the historic denominations.[1] The term "charismatic" was first coined by Harald Bredesen, a Lutheran minister, in 1962, to describe what was happening at that time in the old-line churches. Confronted with the term "neo-Pentecostal," he opted instead to use the phrase 'the charismatic renewal in the historic churches.'"[2] The genesis of the Charismatic Movement however is variously attributed to Father Dennis Bennett, an Episcopal priest, in 1960. His book Nine O'Clock in the Morning gives a personal account of this period

Charismatic

The term "Charismatic Movement" is sometimes confused with the term "charismatic." The word "charismatic" is an umbrella term used to describe those Christians who believe that the manifestations of the Holy Spirit seen in the first century Christian church (see e.g. the book of Acts ), such as miracles, prophecy, and glossolalia (speaking in other tongues or languages), are available to contemporary Christians and may be experienced and practiced today. It is derived from the Greek word χάρισμα ("gift," itself derived from χάρις, "grace" or "favor") which is the term used in the Bible, 1 Corinthians 12-14. "Charismatic Movement," however, expresses the arrival of spiritual gifts in the historic mainline denominations. "Charismatic Christians" are in every denomination of the Church, though some have formed their own congregations.


Pentecostal

Pentecostals and Charismatics are characterized by their practice of speaking in other tongues and operating the gifts of the Spirit. A Pentecostal believer in an ecstatic religious experience may vocalize fluent unintelligible utterances (glossolalia) or articulate a natural language previously unknown to the speaker (xenoglossy).
The Charismatic Movement has a relationship with Pentecostalism, in that it shares a commitment to the use of spiritual gifts. However, within the Charismatic Movement this commitment is embedded within the full variety of historic denominations, and so in each context theology, culture and acceptance can vary enormously. The term "Pentecostal" refers to that set of denominations that arose out of the 1906 Azusa Street Revival, whereas the Charismatic Movement refers to a different era, context and theological content. The term "neo-Pentecostal" is sometimes used to describe non-Pentecostal charismatics, who are either part of the Charismatic Movement, or neo-Charismatics.