Pay Per View Live Preaching For $1.99 ? ? ?

[PraiseHymn]

So I was checking my email and I subscribe to a number of Apostolic Pastors / Churches via email to get updates on whats going on in their local congregations. Today I get an email that said Pay Per View for $1.99 to hear Noel Jones preach at Mark Tolberts church (its a PAW / Pentecostal Assemblies of the Word Church). I'd like to know what do you think about this "new" method of......well......you fill in the blank.

Attached is a copy of the ad.

[Michael The Disciple]

If it was a good sound doctrine preaching Church I would definitely be in!

[Maximilian]

Disgusting to me -- if it needs funding, get those funds another way. Making people pay to hear about Jesus is asinine.

[Jason B]

:thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown

The gospel shouldn't be likened to professional wrestling. :vomit

I am not a fan of paying for preaching regardless of if its pay per view, conference fees, or other. Freely you have received, freely give. If they're preaching for profit, they can preach to someone else.

[coadie]

We don't charge for the church bus.

[Mr. Smith]

Disgusting to me -- if it needs funding, get those funds another way. Making people pay to hear about Jesus is asinine.

Why? We charge for original music, don't we? Hey, I mean, a buck-99 for the Prince of Peace or whatever it is he called himself. Sounds like a deal!

[Michael The Disciple]

Almost every Church I ever heard of either takes or accepts offerings. I would consider it a blessing to find a Church that was PREACHING TRUTH and I could join them online for 1.99.

[OneAccord]

Pay per veiw preaching? No. But then again, sign of the times. I was at a church recently when, during the offering, givers were "invited" to visit the ATM in the lobby to make donations. Whats next, convieniently swipe your card in your seat? Sign of the times.

[johnny44]

Pay per veiw preaching? No. But then again, sign of the times. I was at a church recently when, during the offering, givers were "invited" to visit the ATM in the lobby to make donations. Whats next, convieniently swipe your card in your seat? Sign of the times.

How about automatic deposit?:foottap

[Maximilian]

Why? We charge for original music, don't we? Hey, I mean, a buck-99 for the Prince of Peace or whatever it is he called himself. Sounds like a deal!

Gotta draw the line somewhere.

I actually would LOVE to see christian/ministry artists funded other ways than the same game that record companies play. Conflict of interests.

And a published work like an artist's album versus a live stream are different things. What's the point of the Live Stream? Why offer it? To profit? To "spread the Gospel?" I think the answer to that question, and the order of priority will help that person decide if they should charge or not. Just sounds sick to me.... can't imagine JC charging his Disciples annual dues, and extra for the Sermon on the Mount since it was a bit longer.

[Maximilian]

Almost every Church I ever heard of either takes or accepts offerings. I would consider it a blessing to find a Church that was PREACHING TRUTH and I could join them online for 1.99.

That's not an offering. That's a fee.

[Michael The Disciple]

Ever hear of "buy the truth and sell it not"?

I have preached the Gospel freely for 35 years never asking for an offering for myself once. Thats the way I believe the Apostles operated. It is indeed pathetic to see the antics of Preachers trying to get money. Thats the very thing that drove me out of the mainstrean Churches Apostolic or otherwise.

The shortage of truth in this hour is so devastating if a Church could be found that had a true full gospel message I would consider it a great bargain if I could help them buy online space that truth might be preached.

I would "buy the truth and sell it not".

[berkeley]

Michael.

what is the true full gospel message? I ask for clarity, not argument.

[Mr. Smith]

Ever hear of "buy the truth and sell it not"?

I have preached the Gospel freely for 35 years never asking for an offering for myself once. Thats the way I believe the Apostles operated. It is indeed pathetic to see the antics of Preachers trying to get money. Thats the very thing that drove me out of the mainstrean Churches Apostolic or otherwise.

The shortage of truth in this hour is so devastating if a Church could be found that had a true full gospel message I would consider it a great bargain if I could help them buy online space that truth might be preached.

I would "buy the truth and sell it not".


Wait, wait, wait........you're not seriously going to compare what the Prince of Peace of Preaching is doing here to "But the truth and sell it not". Nuh uh. You're not. Are you?????

[Maximilian]

Ever hear of "buy the truth and sell it not"?

I have preached the Gospel freely for 35 years never asking for an offering for myself once. Thats the way I believe the Apostles operated. It is indeed pathetic to see the antics of Preachers trying to get money. Thats the very thing that drove me out of the mainstrean Churches Apostolic or otherwise.

The shortage of truth in this hour is so devastating if a Church could be found that had a true full gospel message I would consider it a great bargain if I could help them buy online space that truth might be preached.

I would "buy the truth and sell it not".

You definitely believe in proof-texting don't you :)

(referring to the last thread)

[Mr. Smith]

Gotta draw the line somewhere.

I actually would LOVE to see christian/ministry artists funded other ways than the same game that record companies play. Conflict of interests.

And a published work like an artist's album versus a live stream are different things. What's the point of the Live Stream? Why offer it? To profit? To "spread the Gospel?" I think the answer to that question, and the order of priority will help that person decide if they should charge or not. Just sounds sick to me.... can't imagine JC charging his Disciples annual dues, and extra for the Sermon on the Mount since it was a bit longer.


So what about our fine friends at the UPC General Conference who will be charging a registration fee for the services? They're WAY more than a buck-99.

Actually, I've paid fees for a conference, one that was actually meaningful, and I paid well more than $50. But they didn't take offerings.

So Maxi...I wasn't serious about comparing it to selling music. But speaking of....I can't stand the Christian music industry for the most part.

[Maximilian]

So what about our fine friends at the UPC General Conference who will be charging a registration fee for the services? They're WAY more than a buck-99.

Actually, I've paid fees for a conference, one that was actually meaningful, and I paid well more than $50. But they didn't take offerings.

So Maxi...I wasn't serious about comparing it to selling music. But speaking of....I can't stand the Christian music industry for the most part.

Yeah... I guess a General Conference isn't not an unknown public but a gathering of pastors (primarily) from all over the world, and there is a shared expense at the meeting. So with that perspective, I suppose they can rightfully charge an admission. Still sounds cheesy and tacky to me. But there's no un-cheesy way of paying for the venues they choose to assemble at.

[Cindy]

I don't think so, would be kind of like watching a show.

[Michael The Disciple]

Wait, wait, wait........you're not seriously going to compare what the Prince of Peace of Preaching is doing here to "But the truth and sell it not". Nuh uh. You're not. Are you?????

I assume you are talking about the fellow who is charging the fee. I know nothing about the person. My comments are ONLY concerning if I would be willing to pay 1.99 for live streaming teaching of real New Testament truth.

[Michael The Disciple]

You definitely believe in proof-texting don't you :)

(referring to the last thread)

Proof text is using scripture to show why you believe something. Of course I believe in it.

[Michael The Disciple]

Michael.

what is the true full gospel message? I ask for clarity, not argument.

Here is my statement of faith located on my web site. I am Michael there. I consider these things important to the full gospel.

http://www.freeforum101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23&sid=b394e3af558f726b0b51528b65801cd2&mforum=inthelight

[berkeley]

I used to be post trib. Never believed in dispensationalism. Plurality of elders would be great. Doesn't work today, as men build kingdoms.

[Mr. Smith]

I assume you are talking about the fellow who is charging the fee. I know nothing about the person. My comments are ONLY concerning if I would be willing to pay 1.99 for live streaming teaching of real New Testament truth.


No, that's not the only thing your comments were concerning. You used "Buy the truth...." as scripture for justifying buying a sermon. The horse is already out of the barn, man, you can't take it back.

[Mr. Smith]

Here is my statement of faith located on my web site. I am Michael there. I consider these things important to the full gospel.

http://www.freeforum101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23&sid=b394e3af558f726b0b51528b65801cd2&mforum=inthelight



You have a personal statement of faith???:lolDude.

[Michael The Disciple]

No, that's not the only thing your comments were concerning. You used "Buy the truth...." as scripture for justifying buying a sermon. The horse is already out of the barn, man, you can't take it back.

???????

[Michael The Disciple]

You have a personal statement of faith???:lolDude.

Yes the things I personally believe.

[Mr. Smith]

???????


Did the button get stuck?:lol

You compared the verse, "Buy the truth...." with paying $1.99 for a pay-per-view sermon. Then you said you were only talking about something else. Did you forget?

[Mr. Smith]

Yes the things I personally believe.

Anything else you wanna tell us about yourself?

[coadie]

Anything else you wanna tell us about yourself?

Interview time?
You need the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

[Maximilian]

Proof text is using scripture to show why you believe something. Of course I believe in it.

I believe in it too... I hear it all the time from the pulpit. One of the gravest hermeneutical blunders usually ensues....

From an exegetical dictionary:

A prooftext is a verse or short passage from the Bible used by someone as part of his proof for a doctrinal belief he wishes to substantiate to others. However, since verses and passages may rely extensively on the context in which they appear for correct interpretation, pulling these out of their context and having them stand alone in a "proof" can, at times, be very misleading. In addition, a set of such prooftexts can completely ignore other passages which, if added to the mix, might well lead to an entirely different conclusion. Someone who relies strongly only on a list of prooftexts in order to make a doctrinal argument may have a very weak case for his argument. Noting that a religious teacher relies heavily just on prooftexting is viewed in theological circles as a very negative evaluation. See: Hermeneutics definition.

Proof-texting is an epidemic that makes a great partner for extemporaneous, symbol-heavy, get-as-creative-as-you'd-like-with-scripture evangelists.

[Maximilian]

Did the button get stuck?:lol

You compared the verse, "Buy the truth...." with paying $1.99 for a pay-per-view sermon. Then you said you were only talking about something else. Did you forget?

Proof-texting example :)

[Mr. Smith]

Interview time?
You need the baptism of the Holy Ghost.


And you need a brain, so we're nearly even.

(I suddenly feel like I'm in the second grade)

[Jack Shephard]

And you need a brain, so we're nearly even.

(I suddenly feel like I'm in the second grade)


Burrrrnnnnnn!

[Mr. Smith]

I believe in it too... I hear it all the time from the pulpit. One of the gravest hermeneutical blunders usually ensues....

From an exegetical dictionary:

A prooftext is a verse or short passage from the Bible used by someone as part of his proof for a doctrinal belief he wishes to substantiate to others. However, since verses and passages may rely extensively on the context in which they appear for correct interpretation, pulling these out of their context and having them stand alone in a "proof" can, at times, be very misleading. In addition, a set of such prooftexts can completely ignore other passages which, if added to the mix, might well lead to an entirely different conclusion. Someone who relies strongly only on a list of prooftexts in order to make a doctrinal argument may have a very weak case for his argument. Noting that a religious teacher relies heavily just on prooftexting is viewed in theological circles as a very negative evaluation. See: Hermeneutics definition.

Proof-texting is an epidemic that makes a great partner for extemporaneous, symbol-heavy, get-as-creative-as-you'd-like-with-scripture evangelists.


So what you're saying is, I can't quote Philippians 4:13 and claim that I can do anything in this world? Dang it.

So you're claiming that I can't agree with 2 or 3 about anything and get it? Double dang it.

[Mr. Smith]

Burrrrnnnnnn!


So you're in the second grade too, huh?:lol

[Jack Shephard]

So you're in the second grade too, huh?:lol

Die! :thumbsup

[Mr. Smith]

Die! :thumbsup


Just trying to stay at Coadie's level so he can understand.

[Jack Shephard]

Just trying to stay at Coadie's level so he can understand.

That won't be tough. U need to be nice.


:bigbaby

[Maximilian]

So what you're saying is, I can't quote Philippians 4:13 and claim that I can do anything in this world? Dang it.

So you're claiming that I can't agree with 2 or 3 about anything and get it? Double dang it.

:toofunny

[pastorrick1959]

i dont think it said, you had to to pay.. nobody is makeing you go there.. i gladly pay for a steak dinner no fuss at all/// buy a coke over a buck . gone in seconds some times lol.
pay to go into amusement park .. we pay for everything . the question might be ,those we pay what are they doing with the money? spreading the gospel we belive in? i doubt it.
i dont see a problem with it at all. i give more than a 1.99 in offering ,sometimes i hear a word that goes with me the rest of my life!now whats that worth?
i guess we could go to ,buy the truth and sell it not .
i probably wouldnt do that myself. but dont think its a bad thing. the money the receive i would say is used for some sort of gospel spreading. even if it is just used to help the preacher stay full time ,to keep preaching to gospel.. i say go for it .

[Maximilian]

i dont think it said, you had to to pay.. nobody is makeing you go there.. i gladly pay for a steak dinner no fuss at all/// buy a coke over a buck . gone in seconds some times lol.
pay to go into amusement park .. we pay for everything . the question might be ,those we pay what are they doing with the money? spreading the gospel we belive in? i doubt it.
i dont see a problem with it at all. i give more than a 1.99 in offering ,sometimes i hear a word that goes with me the rest of my life!now whats that worth?
i guess we could go to ,buy the truth and sell it not .
i probably wouldnt do that myself. but dont think its a bad thing. the money the receive i would say is used for some sort of gospel spreading. even if it is just used to help the preacher stay full time ,to keep preaching to gospel.. i say go for it .

I would dare to treat the Gospel the same as my (other) consumption habits. Seems to be it's in a league of its own. It's a free message, that many sacrifice to give to those who will hear out of a sense of mission.

Take an offering if you need the money. Paying to watch your church online takes the whole Church Business to another level. That's exactly what it has become a big business.

[coadie]

I would dare to treat the Gospel the same as my (other) consumption habits. Seems to be it's in a league of its own. It's a free message, that many sacrifice to give to those who will hear out of a sense of mission.

Take an offering if you need the money. Paying to watch your church online takes the whole Church Business to another level. That's exactly what it has become a big business.

What consumption habits when online posting at 2:24 in the morning?

Pay per view will fail without help.

[rgcraig]

What consumption habits when online posting at 2:24 in the morning?



There are other times zones than yours.

[OnTheFritz]

What consumption habits when online posting at 2:24 in the morning?

Pay per view will fail without help.

Your posts are like fun little puzzles.

[Timmy]

Your posts are like fun little puzzles.

:ursofunny