Polar Shift

[Digging4Truth]

We know that the earth demonstrates that the earth loses it's poles a few times every million years or so and the earth shifts the terrestrial location of the North & South poles as well from time to time.

The poles of the earth are currently moving very rapidly (terrestrially speaking) making one wonder if we are about to experience a polar shift.

Your thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAMYzm3c6PQ&feature=related

[pelathais]

Many have said that a shift of the poles is either due or even past due. The fact that we just don't have a clear picture of the earth's dynamo at the core prevents better predictions. Also, most of the evidence that we have of past shifts is locked up in the iron of the sea floor crust. This allows only a broad extrapolation of the exact timing of the shifts in the earth's polarity.

We do know that it happens. We also know that every shift is not associated with extinction events. In fact there have been literally dozens and dozens of very benign shifts in the past 200 million years.

[pelathais]

The primary concern is the constant recalibration of direction finding equipment to adjust the changing declination of a compass from True North. The GPS system has made that largely obsolete, however scientists and others (like the US Navy) don't like to be relying upon just one system.

[Digging4Truth]

The primary concern is the constant recalibration of direction finding equipment to adjust the changing declination of a compass from True North. The GPS system has made that largely obsolete, however scientists and others (like the US Navy) don't like to be relying upon just one system.

Yeah... I had forgotten about the airports needing to recalibrate these days.


We do know that these things happen... but we don't know whether they happen quickly or over time. That would have a lot to do with the long term impact. And... yes... these are not necessarily extinction events.

The upcoming alignment with the center of the galaxy could be a catalyst for such an event. And... it could NOT BE a catalyst.

We'll see.

[Aquila]

I have a book about this. From a Creationist perspective... could something like this have been a factor in the Great Flood in the days of Noah? (Not sure about video below. Just submitting for discussion.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M__hcI2k_P4

[Digging4Truth]

I have a book about this. From a Creationist perspective... could something like this have been a factor in the Great Flood of the Bible?

We, of course, can't say no because we don't know.

But I have doubts that an actual polar shift was involved in the flood because that would place the timing of the last polar shift at around 4300 years ago. That's not long ago.

I don't know if such a recent polar shift could be the case.

[Aquila]

We, of course, can't say no because we don't know.

But I have doubts that an actual polar shift was involved in the flood because that would place the timing of the last polar shift at around 4300 years ago. That's not long ago.

I don't know if such a recent polar shift could be the case.

One would have to argue that perhaps the scientific data is incorrect... I just found it interesting. Here's something kind of thought provoking...

Isaiah 24:1-2
1Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

A prophecy?

[Digging4Truth]

One would have to argue that perhaps the scientific data is incorrect... I just found it interesting. Here's something kind of thought provoking...

Isaiah 24:1-2
1Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

A prophecy?

I was thinking today about the prophecies that say things like this and I was thinking of looking back and trying to trace when these things might have been fulfilled and starting to put together a time table on it.

[Ferd]

Dec 2012 baby! YEEE HAAA!!!!

[Digging4Truth]

Dec 2012 baby! YEEE HAAA!!!!

Well... in reference to the YEEE HAAA!!!!

A polar shift would have the potential of being quite a ride. :)

[pelathais]

Yeah... I had forgotten about the airports needing to recalibrate these days.


We do know that these things happen... but we don't know whether they happen quickly or over time. That would have a lot to do with the long term impact. And... yes... these are not necessarily extinction events.

The upcoming alignment with the center of the galaxy could be a catalyst for such an event. And... it could NOT BE a catalyst.

We'll see.

I'm no expert - not even a good novice in the field of global magnetic fields... but from what I've read, my instincts tell me that there is some kind of advance "instability" that proceeds as "sudden" reversal. It's not like one pole could be "sorta north" for while before becoming "all the way north" (or south). Either a pole is "north" or it's "south" - or there are no poles and no magnetic field at all.

[pelathais]

I have a book about this. From a Creationist perspective... could something like this have been a factor in the Great Flood in the days of Noah? (Not sure about video below. Just submitting for discussion.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M__hcI2k_P4

I can't make out the audio on the vid so... not much comment there.

With regard to a "global flood" - the magnetic poles have very little to do with climate or weather patterns. Where they might have some impact on weather is if the poles didn't exist at all. Then, more solar radiation would conceivably warm the atmosphere - a bit. Any appreciable amounts of radiation would simply sterilize the planet.

I am skeptical of the claims of anyone who identifies their books or work as (large "C") "Creationist." Creationists have proposed some of the most goofy stuff over the years. It's embarrassing.

[pelathais]

One would have to argue that perhaps the scientific data is incorrect... I just found it interesting. Here's something kind of thought provoking...
Isaiah 24:1-2
1Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. A prophecy?

Yes, a prophecy of the destruction of the Kingdom of Judah. 2 Kings 21:13.

[Ferd]

Well... in reference to the YEEE HAAA!!!!

A polar shift would have the potential of being quite a ride. :)

actually predictions of such are from the fringe. noted scientists do not believe this will cause any real upheaval.

[Digging4Truth]

actually predictions of such are from the fringe. noted scientists do not believe this will cause any real upheaval.

Could you quote a few?

I've never known of the writings of any scientist that didn't at least consider the possibility... even a very real one... that a planetary polar shift would take place sans "any real upheaval".

The opening video was the chief scientist for NOAA.

[Ferd]

Could you quote a few?

I've never known of the writings of any scientist that didn't at least consider the possibility... even a very real one... that a planetary polar shift would take place sans "any real upheaval".

The opening video was the chief scientist for NOAA.

yes and he didnt say it would cause real serious problems. he suggested it would increase active particles from the sun. other than that he didnt suggest craziness would insue.


with the exception of some crazies on the internet, I have not seen any solid science that suggests the end of things as we know it.

[Digging4Truth]

actually predictions of such are from the fringe. noted scientists do not believe this will cause any real upheaval.

yes and he didnt say it would cause real serious problems. he suggested it would increase active particles from the sun. other than that he didnt suggest craziness would insue.


with the exception of some crazies on the internet, I have not seen any solid science that suggests the end of things as we know it.

Ferd... Ferd... Ferd.

*sigh*

1. The question asked on the video was on the effect that it would have on our technological society should the earth's magnetic field go to zero. This would be among the first steps toward a polar shift and does not, in any way, take in anything that would happen due to the actual shift that might follow days, months, years or decades etc into the future. The question and the discussion in the video itself are limited to the magnetic field going to zero. The video is provided for the purpose of the statement that the poles are currently shifting position on the earth. This is a very interesting phenomenon that has not been the case even during most of our short lives on this planet.

2. My question had to do with these people you have listened to/read from that are scientists and have shared with you that a polar shift would take place sans "any real upheaval".

Please note that the magnetic field of the earth going to zero is one event.
The shifting of the poles within the earth (possibly prior to an actual terrestrial shift to meet the new pole locations) is another event.
But an actual terrestrial polar shift event where the outer portion of the earth moves in response to an internal pole change is another event entirely and that is what I am talking about and what I find so surprising that, should this occur, it could do so sans "any real upheaval".

So... With that information in mind. Could you please address the information I am seeking as expressed in point 2.

[pelathais]

The book that they referred to appears to have been "Pole Shift" by John White. John White was never associated with NOAA in any way, he's not even an American. He is a British/Canadian psychiatrist. He was active in Vineyard church planting and died in 2002. Just how this makes him an authority on meteorology and the effect the earth's magnetic field has on climates is left unsaid.

I don't think the interview is with John White, however. Like I said earlier, it's hard for me to follow all of the audio. The stuff about the "Coriolis effect" however doesn't appear to have been explained very well. From what I gathered, the speaker being interviewed seemed to think that the entire core of the planet was going to "flip." We really don't have any evidence that this has ever happened and it does stretch one's credulity.

The "flipping" of the magnetic poles doesn't involve the earth itself or even the nickel-iron core of the planet flipping over. It is simply a reversal of polarity. There is a huge amount of evidence that this happens with some regular frequency.

The speaker in the vid was mistaken when he said the evidence for the pole reversals was "in the Arctic where lava comes to the surface and freezes..."

The evidence is largely on the sea floor in the temperate and equatorial areas where sea floor spreading has caused iron rich basalts to come up to the surface of the sea floor (miles beneath the surface of the ocean) and the lava cools preserving the alignment of the iron in whichever direction the poles were at the time.

[Digging4Truth]

The book that they referred to appears to have been "Pole Shift" by John White. John White was never associated with NOAA in any way, he's not even an American. He is a British/Canadian psychiatrist. He was active in Vineyard church planting and died in 2002. Just how this makes him an authority on meteorology and the effect the earth's magnetic field has on climates is left unsaid.

I don't think the interview is with John White, however. Like I said earlier, it's hard for me to follow all of the audio. The stuff about the "Coriolis effect" however doesn't appear to have been explained very well. From what I gathered, the speaker being interviewed seemed to think that the entire core of the planet was going to "flip." We really don't have any evidence that this has ever happened and it does stretch one's credulity.

The "flipping" of the magnetic poles doesn't involve the earth itself or even the nickel-iron core of the planet flipping over. It is simply a reversal of polarity. There is a huge amount of evidence that this happens with some regular frequency.

The speaker in the vid was mistaken when he said the evidence for the pole reversals was "in the Arctic where lava comes to the surface and freezes..."

The evidence is largely on the sea floor in the temperate and equatorial areas where sea floor spreading has caused iron rich basalts to come up to the surface of the sea floor (miles beneath the surface of the ocean) and the lava cools preserving the alignment of the iron in which ever direction the poles were at the time.

Lots of interesting thoughts.

I have to go for now... but I look forward to the volley of ideas. As usual... I'm not looking for a back patting session and I am not convinced one way or another. I just tire of the quick "fringe" labels which immediately mean that this is not worthy of substantive discussion.

I appreciate your post and I plan on giving it much thought.