Demon Possession/Opression

[Dedicated Mind]

I haven't had too much experience with demons beyond the occasional bad dream. I wanted to enquire from our posters if christians can be demon possessed? I have felt influenced by demons in the past, though I have recieved the Holy Ghost. So I don't believe that Christians can't have demons. What is your experience with demons and do you think that christians can have demons in their lives?

[faithit166]

if you are filled with the holy ghost walking with the lord then no you cannot be possessed with a demon spirit but demon spirits can oppress you and obseess you but not be in you

[mfblume]

I believe demons can indwell Christians, but not possess them. Possession is total control of spirit, soul and body which is not possible for christians. IN fact filling of the Holy Ghost prohibits spirits from indwelling Christians, but filling of the Spirit is not simply having God's Spirit within. In Acts 2 they were filled and filled again in Acts 4.

But I have dealt with it many many times, and cast them out.

(running from hurling stones).

[Truthseeker]

Give no place to the devil is not talking about a spot at the dinner table.

[berkeley]

I do not believe that a christian can be possessed. I prefer to say that a christian can have a demon on them, rather than in them. I have never had anything cast out of me (maybe that's my problem) but I have felt them lift off of me like the removal of a mantle.

[berkeley]

No place to the never?

[Truthseeker]

No place to the never?

OOps, Worked 12hrs today. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[kclee4jc]

I haven't had too much experience with demons beyond the occasional bad dream. I wanted to enquire from our posters if christians can be demon possessed? I have felt influenced by demons in the past, though I have recieved the Holy Ghost. So I don't believe that Christians can't have demons. What is your experience with demons and do you think that christians can have demons in their lives?

I have dealt with some situations that just completely wrecked my theology about this. I really have no answer. I believe we must stay prayed up and filled with the Holy Ghost to keep victory over the enemy. Thats about all i can say.

[Austin]

The Bible states," Greater is He that is in you then he that is in the world" if that's true, which I believe it is, How can a christian be possessed? No two, if the Holy Ghost comes and goes in a believer as some teach, then that person can't be a christian prior to a possession.
When talking about this subject where's the biblical verses at to support some of the replies?
Paul was buffeted by a,[ messenger from Satan] this no doubt in spite of what Baptist believe, was a demon spirit. Just as messengers from God are angels then messenger from Satan must be spirits under his rule.
If some believe that all churches outside of the UPC are false churches according to their doctrine then their theory that professing christian can be possessed then that might be true. I don't share that theory. I believe that people who have not been taught properly concerning the different approaches of evil spirits on a believers life can be vexed by demonic spirits in many different ways simply because they have not bee taught how to exercise authority over the kingdom of Satan.I do not believe that any spirit from Satan's world can possess the temple of the Holy Ghost.

[Aquila]

While a Christian can't be "possessed" by a demon spirit... is it possible that a backslidden Christian give themselves over to a spirit for possession? I think I've seen this on several occasions.

[mfblume]

Here is my theology on the issue:

http://mikeblume.com/total.htm

Segment from that study:

Satan dwells in darkness and cannot stand light. Christians, whose hearts have grown dark, actually "give place" to the devil. If we walk as sinners, we will have the problems sinners have. And one of them is occupancy by a demon spirit.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:12

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:13
Jesus is the Light!

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:12
Then He turned around said we were the light of the world!

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:14
Now, the Bible says the spirit of a man is the candle of the Lord.

The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Prov 20:27
And in Jesus' speech about the light of the world, He stressed a point we must ever keep in mind.

Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 5:15-16
It is possible to have the human candle (spirit) lit with the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and yet cover that candle as with a bushel. If God is light, and if He dwells within us, we can see that our human spirits indeed are sources of light, or goodness. Darkness is not literal, but also implies evil while light implies good. People who see our good works are said to see light.

So, by putting a covering over the candle we are blocking the light. And if it is the spirit of a man that is the candle, and not the soul or body, then a covered spirit will inhibit the light of His Spirit within from shining out into the soul. The spirit can be covered, while the soul is not. This forms a barrier between the spirit and the soul. A bushel! And if the light from the spirit is not shining into the soul because of this barrier of what Jesus likened to a "bushel", then darkness is in that soul and a devil can enter that darkness alone.
Every person who received God's Spirit has a task to break the shell of the carnal nature in the soul so it does not cover the Spirit of God within the human spirit. The light must shine through and into the soul from the spirit. And cracking the shell of carnality, which repels God's light, will allow that light to come out.

Notice the diagram:



The dark shadows cast by voluntary sins are just the right places where demons would love to indwell. This is especially so in a Christian's case. If they could only get inside these dark areas, they could more easily affect the Christian to create more darkness by more sin. They could work upon the believer to block out all light of God in the spirit by prodding at the soulish element through temptations and lies.

Demon spirits, however, cannot gain entrance until the sin is repeated and intensified as the Christian heeds to the lying devils over and again. Slack believers who do not strive for more of God are often successful targets.

Let us picture a Christian who loves the world too much and gives in to the flesh more often than not.



Such a person is unhealthy, depressed, tormented at night and has many problems that cannot be stopped. There is no joy of God in such a believer, and rarely, if ever, does such an one speak in tongues. Such a person depresses other people and may habitually lie and hate those who are close. The list of possibilities is endless.

Soulish-destroying spirits can open the way for other spirits to enter, including physical-destroying spirits of diseases. One major factor contributing to arthritis has been proven to be severe and constant anger. This does not mean arthritis is caused by a demon spirit. But shows an example of how sin can open the door for physical problems

MAINTAINING A HEDGE

Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
Job 1:10
Satan was speaking to God about a hedge which stood around Job, protecting him from danger. Job was an upright man with integrity. Believers like Job are similarly protected by God. God allowed Job's hedge to be removed that Satan might tempt him, however we must understand that Job had the goods to be able to withstand such temptations.

The Bible speaks of this hedge being broken down.

He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.
Eccl 10:8
When we voluntarily sin due to yielding to temptation, we inadvertently allow our hedges to be broken down. And a serpent can enter our lives and bite us. The protections God sets up around us are removed when we sin.

These serpents are evil spirits. Evil spirits will enter a believer's life if that believer sins and breaks his/her hedge. This is also shown in Proverbs 24:30-34.

Picture a once beautiful vineyard growing with luscious grapes. And then imagine it overtaken by weeds and briars until the beauty is obliterated and replaced by a horrible looking field of wild weeds. The wall is broken down around the vineyard which formerly kept out the scavengers which sought to devour all the fruit. Amidst broken stones and crumbled rock, serpents are seen invading the former Garden. (See Isaiah 5:1-7).

Let us remain faithful to the Lord and not allow slothfulness to become our lifestyles. God upholds a hedge of protection around those who do His will.

Fill your soul with the thoughts of God (Phil. 4:8). The soul filled with the things of God is the soul open and ready to receive the Mind of Christ. In this manner will we be filled with the Spirit. And no enemy can ever invade a vessel that is full of the Holy Ghost!

[Esther]

I haven't had too much experience with demons beyond the occasional bad dream. I wanted to enquire from our posters if christians can be demon possessed? I have felt influenced by demons in the past, though I have recieved the Holy Ghost. So I don't believe that Christians can't have demons. What is your experience with demons and do you think that christians can have demons in their lives?

That very question was answered in the book, "In the Counsel of Many" by Bro. Tom Barnes, Sis. Nona Freeman, Bro. James Kilgore, Sis. Rose Phaeton and Bro William Sciscoe.

[mfblume]

That very question was answered in the book, "In the Counsel of Many" by Bro. Tom Barnes, Sis. Nona Freeman, Bro. James Kilgore, Sis. Rose Phaeton and Bro William Sciscoe.

What was their answers?

[Esther]

What was their answers?

I don't have time to look it up right now, but as I recall they all said in a nutshell, no you can't have the Holy Ghost and be demon possessed.

I do believe you can be Oppressed by a demonic spirit but not Possessed.

[mfblume]

I don't have time to look it up right now, but as I recall they all said in a nutshell, no you can't have the Holy Ghost and be demon possessed.

I do believe you can be Oppressed by a demonic spirit but not Possessed.

Most think a demon inside a person is synonymous with being "possessed". I disagree. I think possession is a severe case of a spirit totally controlling a person. Some people have problems that they cannot get victory over, and yet they are not totally controlled in all other areas by such problems. It is just one area of their lives. That COULD be a spirit in them. IOW, a spirit can be in someone, not possessing that person by totally controlling the person, but only controlling ONE area of a person's life. Someone might have a wicked vicious temper that was their own fleshly problem, but it worsened until an unclean spirit entered in and worsened it exponentially. The person is not possessed, but needs the spirit cast out to get victory over that temper. In other words, a Christian can possess a spirit of the devil yet not be "possessed". I have cast out devils that were in christians who had the Holy Ghost, but they were not possessed by the spirits.

Man is spirit, soul and body. The Holy Ghost is one with our human spirits. He indwells our spirits. Like the temple. God's presence was in the Most holy place, and a veil separated that room from the rest of the temple. Phinehas and Hophni were wicked men and operated in the outer court and holy place. I see this as a similarity between an unclean spirit active in a carnal believer's soul, but not int he same "room" so to speak as the Holy Ghost Who is int he human spirit/holiest of all.

Just as the Holy Ghost may be in a person but not necessarily FILLING them due to carnality, an unclean spirit can be in a christian but not "possessing" the person.

Fact is that I have simply cast them out. People can argue all they want about if that is true or not, but devils came out and the people were set free!

[aegsm76]

If a Christian can be turned over to a reprobate mind, why would they not be able to be demon possessed?

[berkeley]

Interesting stuff, Mike. I have two friends who say that they have çast spirits out of çhristians. I have never seen it. And it has not happened to me, so I am somewot skeptiçal, but open enough to çonsider.

[mfblume]

Interesting stuff, Mike. I have two friends who say that they have çast spirits out of çhristians. I have never seen it. And it has not happened to me, so I am somewot skeptiçal, but open enough to çonsider.

I appreciate your openness. I wish some skeptics could have been present when we dealt with spirits in Christians. They would never doubt it again.

[Timmy]

Interesting stuff, Mike. I have two friends who say that they have çast spirits out of çhristians. I have never seen it. And it has not happened to me, so I am somewot skeptiçal, but open enough to çonsider.

Your post is possessed by the spirit of çedillas.

[berkeley]

Your post is possessed by the spirit of çedillas.

huh?

[Timmy]

huh?

I said "Your post is possessed by the spirit of çedillas!"


:lol

The letter c in your post, wherever it appears, has a cedilla. A little comma-like thing. At least, that's how it shows up in my browser.

[mfblume]

your post is possessed by the spirit of çedillas.

lololololol

[mfblume]

I said "Your post is possessed by the spirit of çedillas!"


:lol

The letter c in your post, wherever it appears, has a cedilla. A little comma-like thing. At least, that's how it shows up in my browser.

A cedilla or cédille is a hook ( ¸ ) added under certain letters as a diacritical mark to modify their pronunciation.

I wondered if that was a speck of dirt on my screen.

[Austin]

Brother Blume I'm disappointed in your post that indicates Christians can have a demonic spirit inside of the temple of God. That holy place where He has taken up His abode with man. I realize maybe what your are trying to say in a sense but it sounds like to a layman that a demon can dwell in a christian and not control the christian totally. The term demon possession does not indicate indwelling always it indicates a spirit has influence over a person's decisions/ In that case I would agree.
I believe that demonic spirits control christian actions through the power of suggestion not from within their beings/

[berkeley]

Oh, I'm sorry. I had to change the input settings on my phone. I have been corresponding in Portuguese.

[berkeley]

Austin, tell that to my friend who cast spirits out of a mutual friend who is supposed to be filled with the Holy Ghost. I am skeptical to some degree, but I was not there and my friend has no reason to lie.

[mfblume]

Brother Blume I'm disappointed in your post that indicates Christians can have a demonic spirit inside of the temple of God. That holy place where He has taken up His abode with man. I realize maybe what your are trying to say in a sense but it sounds like to a layman that a demon can dwell in a christian and not control the christian totally. The term demon possession does not indicate indwelling always it indicates a spirit has influence over a person's decisions/ In that case I would agree.
I believe that demonic spirits control christian actions through the power of suggestion not from within their beings/

I have experienced casting devils directly out of christians. Like I said, the spirit is not in the same place as God's Spirit in our lives. God indwells our human spirits. A spirit cannot enter the human spirit of a person with the Holy Ghost. But it can indwell the soul or body.

We are the temple. The temple has an outer court, holy place and most holy place. Body, soul and spirit. GOD indwells our spirits. We truly have to learn what the temple is to understand this.

One preacher who died of cancer was curious about how a tumour on his foot would literally pulsate when he looked at it and said, "In the name of Jesus Christ I rebuke you." Cancer killed him.

I have simply seen it happen too much in christians. I cannot apologize for what I actually administered and saw. Paul said to not give PLACE (Gr. TOPOS) to the devil. PLACE means "occupancy."

Again, read my study about it before you make a final decision: http://mikeblume.com/total.htm

Years ago the people who made the SEARCH FOR TRUTH charts did a series of study books entitled ABC. Volumes 13 and 14, if I recall correctly, dealt with this very thing and stated it slaps against many people's theology, but a person with the Holy Ghost can have an unclean spirit that must be cast out.

[Pastor Keith]

I haven't had too much experience with demons beyond the occasional bad dream. I wanted to enquire from our posters if christians can be demon possessed? I have felt influenced by demons in the past, though I have recieved the Holy Ghost. So I don't believe that Christians can't have demons. What is your experience with demons and do you think that christians can have demons in their lives?

Possession is a poor translation, the word demonized is a better word. This means that a person can be at level affected by a demon. All the way from infestation to being oppressed/attacked.

I do believe that a Spirit Filled Believer can be oppressed and attacked, but I don't believe that a Believer can be Infested or possessed at a significant level or in the same way the Holy Spirit fills and lives in a person.

[onefaith2]

I have experienced casting devils directly out of christians. Like I said, the spirit is not in the same place as God's Spirit in our lives. God indwells our human spirits. A spirit cannot enter the human spirit of a person with the Holy Ghost. But it can indwell the soul or body.

We are the temple. The temple has an outer court, holy place and most holy place. Body, soul and spirit. GOD indwells our spirits. We truly have to learn what the temple is to understand this.

One preacher who died of cancer was curious about how a tumour on his foot would literally pulsate when he looked at it and said, "In the name of Jesus Christ I rebuke you." Cancer killed him.

I have simply seen it happen too much in christians. I cannot apologize for what I actually administered and saw. Paul said to not give PLACE (Gr. TOPOS) to the devil. PLACE means "occupancy."

Again, read my study about it before you make a final decision: http://mikeblume.com/total.htm

Years ago the people who made the SEARCH FOR TRUTH charts did a series of study books entitled ABC. Volumes 13 and 14, if I recall correctly, dealt with this very thing and stated it slaps against many people's theology, but a person with the Holy Ghost can have an unclean spirit that must be cast out.

Mike do you think when someone consistently fails in an area of their life, even weekly and quickly repents that it is the source of a spirit or just lack of control in the area of the flesh?

[mfblume]

Mike do you think when someone consistently fails in an area of their life, even weekly and quickly repents that it is the source of a spirit or just lack of control in the area of the flesh?

Likely the flesh, but all fleshly battles and sins are openings for spirits to enter if such a problem increases to a certain point.

My uncle wrote a book about this very thing.

http://mikeblume.com/killers2.jpg

http://mikeblume.com/intrkih.htm INTRODUCTION

http://mikeblume.com/chap1kih.htm FIRST CHAPTER

[Austin]

If a Christian can be turned over to a reprobate mind, why would they not be able to be demon possessed?

The verse your referring to are people who have a head knowledge of the truth and deny it and would not come to it after God has dealt with them. Paul was referring to the Jews at the time who were very well versed in the prophecy of Christ and also witnessed his presents among them. It is also to the sinners who acknowledge the truth of the gospel and refuse to accept it.
Like religious people who never made that personal commitment to Christ but attend church all their lives and have learned the truths of the bible.

[Austin]

Austin, tell that to my friend who cast spirits out of a mutual friend who is supposed to be filled with the Holy Ghost. I am skeptical to some degree, but I was not there and my friend has no reason to lie.

Not saying this about your friend or the person he ministered to. But, there is a lot of mental illness in the christian movement on a secular basis. And there are a lot of people who have went to some mislead church and had an experience in the emotional aspect of their lives, and some idiot has told them they are saved or even they have the Holy Ghost. These people believing that go through life convincing others they are a christian and in reality they are not. Then the unfortunate happens and indeed they do become possessed with a spirit of demonic nature.

[berkeley]

Lást yéar suff was spewing out of a guy that has been a tongue talker for 11 years. Well, maybe his tongues were fake???

[mfblume]

The verse your referring to are people who have a head knowledge of the truth and deny it and would not come to it after God has dealt with them. Paul was referring to the Jews at the time who were very well versed in the prophecy of Christ and also witnessed his presents among them. It is also to the sinners who acknowledge the truth of the gospel and refuse to accept it.
Like religious people who never made that personal commitment to Christ but attend church all their lives and have learned the truths of the bible.

That is very true. We cannot mistaken every struggle a person has with a spirit of the devil. But I think we have all met believers and Christians with the Holy Ghost who had seemingly let themselves continue in a certain sin to such an extent that there is more than just a carnal problem with them. Some believers do outright evil things at times,and cry about it afterwards. What happens is a fleshly sin is carried on and continues and the temptation occurs for it to worsen, and the person gives in more and more until a door is opened. The Holy Ghost does not go in and out of a person. I would say it more or less RETRACTS back into the human spirit, and is now released from within due to the person's mind and will being far too carnal.

When a believer keeps their mind on the Lord and His will, and prays and studies the word and praises God, the Spirit of God within the human spirit releases forth into the mind of the person. That is what BEING FILLED with the Spirit means. Peter was filled in Acts 21 and FILLED AGAIN in Acts 4. How can that be, unless the Spirit FILLING must be MAINTAINED?

But those whose minds are tempted to think on sinful things and imagine sinful things too much actually cause the Spirit of God to retract back into the human spirit, not being able to indwell such a fleshly thinking mind. And that fleshly thinking can get so bad that it opens a door for an evil spirit to enter that will have be cast out. But that occurs when the problem persisted and simply got incredibly worse.

[mfblume]

Chester Wright believes a Christian with the Holy Ghost can have an unclean spirit inside. He explained it the same way the Lord showed me, how that we are temples. There is the outer court, he said, where the flesh was dealt with, corresponding to our bodies. the blood was shed there and the flesh was washed in the laver. BODY. Then there is the HOLY PLACE where most activity of the priests occurred... the SOUL of a person... MIND, etc. Then the MOST HOLY PLACE where the presence of God was -- the ARK -- like a persons' HUMAN SPIRIT. And the enemy can get his foot INTO the outer court and holy place, BUT NOT THE HOLIEST OF HOLIES.

[NotforSale]

Notice all the "IF's", AND's", or "BUT's" on this subject? Attempting to dabble in the unseen will ALWAYS mess with our heads, creating fantasy of what’s behind closed doors!

Some think this, and others think that. Let's not forget, in the past people were considered Demon Possessed, but it turns out they were mentally ill, as medical technology has revealed illnesses such as schizophrenia.

The biggest Demon we deal with is "OURSELVES"! The real monster is us, and we can decide what to do about that. I don't have time right now to expound on what I've seen happen at altar calls, where people were supposedly Demon possessed, but let me just say that what did happen was strange, weird, and people walked away confused.

[Timmy]

Lást yéar suff was spewing out of a guy that has been a tongue talker for 11 years. Well, maybe his tongues were fake???

Your post is possessed by the spirit of áccuté áccénts. :heeheehee

[onefaith2]

Likely the flesh, but all fleshly battles and sins are openings for spirits to enter if such a problem increases to a certain point.

My uncle wrote a book about this very thing.

http://mikeblume.com/killers2.jpg

http://mikeblume.com/chap1kih.htm FIRST CHAPTER

Bro. Bustard, is he related to Morton?

Do you think if flesh related that the problem can be resolved by cutting off anything that would produce the temptation?

[Pastor Keith]

One thing for sure, a demon can't enter or even stay without a moral right to be there. If we cancel that by submission to God and closing doors that bring their entrance we can stay free!

[Austin]

Mike. I'm from the old school of pentecost and I have seen this practice of over zealous preachers casting out demonic spirits and I have heard this argument hundreds of times and each time the ministers are truly trying to convince people that Christians can have these spirits living inside of a certain area of their being. If fact there are those that state when a christian goes back into the world or starts to allow certain sins into his life that the Holy Ghost leaves him. I have been there first hand and I know what the problem is, disobedience compelled with suggestive ideas from the devil. Sorry I don't buy it.
I can't believe that real estate purchased by Jesus from the permission of the previous owner for the purpose that Jesus wants to live there. After he has entered that house would for a moment allow the devil to move in and stay in one of the rooms. And that Jesus now needs a preacher who ever, to come along and cast this devil out of the house that Jesus bought. And especially a house where the inner spirit of it has been changed also.
The devil affects the thinking patterns of believers and believers can become addicted to a lot of things which are bondage and need deliverance from that bondage but I don't think the demon being cast out is the issue I think it's a matter of repenting and allowing the power of the Holy Ghost to swept over their soul and mind.
I also think some of this demonic casting out of spirits sometimes is a malpractice in certain areas.

[Pastor Keith]

Bro. Bustard, is he related to Morton?

Do you think if flesh related that the problem can be resolved by cutting off anything that would produce the temptation?

Morton's Brother I believe.

[mfblume]

Bro. Bustard, is he related to Morton?

Yes, Morton's oldest brother, passed away 6 years ago.

Do you think if flesh related that the problem can be resolved by cutting off anything that would produce the temptation?

Yes, I think so. But the soul has to be dealt with through teaching and disciple as well. One must stay prayed-up! All sins are flesh related, though. And no spirit can work with anybody without that person FIRST having a fully fleshly problem. But if a spirit is INSIDE due to profuse indulgence in that fleshly problem, it has to be cast out, plainly and simply. Just cutting off the temptation does not remove the spirit.

[berkeley]

Your post is possessed by the spirit of áccuté áccénts. :heeheehee

I already explained that. lol

[Austin]

Lást yéar suff was spewing out of a guy that has been a tongue talker for 11 years. Well, maybe his tongues were fake???

Tongue talking is not a sign of Christianity in every case. I have seen actual devil worshippers speak in an unknown tongue. and I have been to churches and listened to people there saying the same verbal dialect. I thought it was strange since the tongues of the bible are a unknown tongue which means no one has the knowledge of it that it might be taught.

[NotforSale]

Paul must have been possessed. He said he did things that he didn't want to do.

"For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."

[mfblume]

Mike. I'm from the old school of pentecost and I have seen this practice of over zealous preachers casting out demonic spirits and I have heard this argument hundreds of times and each time the ministers are truly trying to convince people that Christians can have these spirits living inside of a certain area of their being. If fact there are those that state when a christian goes back into the world or starts to allow certain sins into his life that the Holy Ghost leaves him. I have been there first hand and I know what the problem is, disobedience compelled with suggestive ideas from the devil. Sorry I don't buy it.
I can't believe that real estate purchased by Jesus from the permission of the previous owner for the purpose that Jesus wants to live there. After he has entered that house would for a moment allow the devil to move in and stay in one of the rooms. And that Jesus now needs a preacher who ever, to come along and cast this devil out of the house that Jesus bought. And especially a house where the inner spirit of it has been changed also.
The devil affects the thinking patterns of believers and believers can become addicted to a lot of things which are bondage and need deliverance from that bondage but I don't think the demon being cast out is the issue I think it's a matter of repenting and allowing the power of the Holy Ghost to swept over their soul and mind.
I also think some of this demonic casting out of spirits sometimes is a malpractice in certain areas.

It is not that Jesus allows a spirit to enter, but the PERSON dictates for their own lives what and what not will enter. I wish you were present when we dealt with people,. since it would remove all doubts, I believe.

It is not as though JESUS NEEDS a preacher to cast out the devil. The Holy Ghost is easily intreated and easily turned off. It does not leave us like people think. Jesus bought the house, but he never usurped control over us as though He possesses us. Jesus does not possess, but fills. He does not push us, but leads us. He leaves it up to us for how far we will go with Him or not go. He is no dictator.

I've seen people get the Holy Ghost and ten minutes later the devils started coming out of them without anybody praying for them, since they let the Spirit of God do all the work willingly and freely. UPC missionary Wynn Drost saw this happen many times,people witnessed.

Usually those who never engaged in actual deliverances of any kind have all the theories, but those actively involved in casting out devils seem to come to the same conclusions.

There is a lot of fakes out there, for sure. But I know it's real. I saw too much of it to deny it. Just as I already spoke in tongues and no one can tell me it's not for us, I saw and administered too much deliverance to Christians to say it cannot happen. :D

Give Chester Wright a call and ask him about it..

[Timmy]

I already explained that. lol

Yes, but, lean not on your own understanding. :lol

[mfblume]

Paul must have been possessed. He said he did things that he didn't want to do.

"For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."

It is not that things we do not want to do means we have a devil in us. I already stated that FLESHLY urges are the real problem. We can cast a devil out, but we cannot cast the flesh out. A person does not need a devil to not want to do things they do. But if what they hate in themselves is worsened and indulged in to certain degrees, a spirit can and will enter at such a point. But it has to be a point in which the sin is plainly far too much indulged in.

[Timmy]

It is not that things we do not want to do means we have a devil in us. I already stated that FLESHLY urges are the real problem. We can cast a devil out, but we cannot cast the flesh out. A person does not need a devil to not want to do things they do. But if what they hate in themselves is worsened and indulged in to certain degrees, a spirit can and will enter at such a point. But it has to be a point in which the sin is plainly far too much indulged in.

He even said is wasn't him doing those things. It was the sin that dwelled inside him, that did them. Just sayin'.

[mfblume]

He even said is wasn't him doing those things. It was the sin that dwelled inside him, that did them. Just sayin'.

AMEN! That is usually the only problem. Not a devil at all.

[onefaith2]

Yes, Morton's oldest brother, passed away 6 years ago.



Yes, I think so. But the soul has to be dealt with through teaching and disciple as well. One must stay prayed-up! All sins are flesh related, though. And no spirit can work with anybody without that person FIRST having a fully fleshly problem. But if a spirit is INSIDE due to profuse indulgence in that fleshly problem, it has to be cast out, plainly and simply. Just cutting off the temptation does not remove the spirit.

Do you think a believer can take authority in Christ and cast the spirit out of their life, should it be there?

[mfblume]

Do you think a believer can take authority in Christ and cast the spirit out of their life, should it be there?
Yeppers!

[Timmy]

AMEN! That is usually the only problem. Not a devil at all.

You sure it wasn't a demon that went by the name of "sin"? :heeheehee

[mfblume]

You sure it wasn't a demon that went by the name of "sin"? :heeheehee

Yes, pretty sure. lol

[Austin]

That is very true. We cannot mistaken every struggle a person has with a spirit of the devil. But I think we have all met believers and Christians with the Holy Ghost who had seemingly let themselves continue in a certain sin to such an extent that there is more than just a carnal problem with them. Some believers do outright evil things at times,and cry about it afterwards. What happens is a fleshly sin is carried on and continues and the temptation occurs for it to worsen, and the person gives in more and more until a door is opened. The Holy Ghost does not go in and out of a person. I would say it more or less RETRACTS back into the human spirit, and is now released from within due to the person's mind and will being far too carnal.

When a believer keeps their mind on the Lord and His will, and prays and studies the word and praises God, the Spirit of God within the human spirit releases forth into the mind of the person. That is what BEING FILLED with the Spirit means. Peter was filled in Acts 21 and FILLED AGAIN in Acts 4. How can that be, unless the Spirit FILLING must be MAINTAINED?

But those whose minds are tempted to think on sinful things and imagine sinful things too much actually cause the Spirit of God to retract back into the human spirit, not being able to indwell such a fleshly thinking mind. And that fleshly thinking can get so bad that it opens a door for an evil spirit to enter that will have be cast out. But that occurs when the problem persisted and simply got incredibly worse.

Not saying I totally disagree to a point. As far as the Holy Ghost retracting back into the human spirit well, I spent seven years away from the Lord due to holy than thou people who thought they were an authority on demon spirits and said I had one because I didn't see eye to eye with them and then they in the middle of the night ran out on their obligation to the church pastoral, and their bills they owed. This same minister the week before was casting out devils when in the reality of things he was the devil.
In all those years of disobedience the Spirit of the Lord never left me for a moment. He was there early in the morning, through the day, at night before I laid down. never at one time did he quit bothering me. He showed signs around me that he was there, He spoke to my inter soul, and he continued to teach me along the way. it wasn't anything by anyone or any church that brought me to my knees, nothing! But his endurance with me all the way. So, you can see how I don't believe a lot of this stuff. I will stand to the fact that, demonic spirits attack the minds not the soul, nor the spirit

[Timmy]

Yes, pretty sure. lol

:lol

OK, but whatever it was, it seemed to have a great degree of control over Paul. Just sayin'

[mfblume]

Not saying I totally disagree to a point. As far as the Holy Ghost retracting back into the human spirit well, I spent seven years away from the Lord due to holy than thou people who thought they were an authority on demon spirits and said I had one because I didn't see eye to eye with them and then they in the middle of the night ran out on their obligation to the church pastoral, and their bills they owed. This same minister the week before was casting out devils when in the reality of things he was the devil.
In all those years of disobedience the Spirit of the Lord never left me for a moment. He was there early in the morning, through the day, at night before I laid down. never at one time did he quit bothering me. He showed signs around me that he was there, He spoke to my inter soul, and he continued to teach me along the way. it wasn't anything by anyone or any church that brought me to my knees, nothing! But his endurance with me all the way. So, you can see how I don't believe a lot of this stuff. I will stand to the fact that, demonic spirits attack the minds not the soul, nor the spirit

I agree with your overall and general point here, although I think the bible defines the SOUL as the MIND, and the SPIRIT as something totally different and more or less our spiritual source of communion with God and our consciences, etc. But do not throw the baby out with the bathwater just because some fakers were doing this sort of thing.

I stand by my words regardless, due to my experiences and what I see in the Word. The Spirit of Lord does indeed not always leave a person, as in your case. But it cannot FILL a person even though it is in a person if the person is too carnal. Presence of the Spirit of God in us is not what FILLED with the Spirit means. If God told the church to be FILLED with the Spirit, and we know they all had the Holy Ghost in those churches then, then it by sheer definition of the term implies degrees of fullness. But this is not like physically filling as with VOLUME, but actually means the MORE WE YIELD to the Spirit the more HE FILLS US. And only those fully yielded are filled with the Holy Ghost.

[berkeley]

Yes, but, lean not on your own understanding. :lol

DEUS QUE TE ABENÇOE!! O PAZ DE SENHOR JESUS! TENHA UM OTIMO DIA E UM ABENÇOADO FINAL DE SEMANA!! ....yeah, understand a bit, can't speak it. lol. :)

[berkeley]

:lol

OK, but whatever it was, it seemed to have a great degree of control over Paul. Just sayin'

That Bob Larson stuff is ridiculous. "What's your name devil?" "OUR NAME IS NICOTENE, FOR WE SMOKETH!!"

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:lol

OK, but whatever it was, it seemed to have a great degree of control over Paul. Just sayin'

It really did. And people think that cannot occur with saved people, when Paul's whole point is that IT WILL occur with saved people unless they learn how to walk after the Spirit.

Some think Paul was speaking about his unsaved life, but he was not. And at the other end of the erring spectrum, others think Paul never got free of that struggle, when he clearly did!

Romans 7:18 KJV For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Romans 7:25-8:1 KJV I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. (8:1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The flesh houses sin, and we can serve God with the mind and get no where. When we work with the flesh to serve God, while it houses sin, then walk not after that flesh!

[Dedicated Mind]

I enjoyed reading your posts Mike and I agree with you. I believe christians can have demon spirits in their lives while not being possessed by them. thanks for your input.