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Twisp
03-25-2011, 09:01 AM
I am normally very upbeat, never a care in the world. I have been taking some new medication lately for an issue. Either the medication or the situation has caused some depression in me lately.

Now this next part is going to get tricky and weird, lol.

It has NOT caused me to have suicidal thoughts. I have not thought about killing myself. However, I have noticed that if I am watching or listening to anything talking about suicide, I can empathize with that person. I know that sounds weird, I do not know what is going on, but for an example: I watched an episode of a TV show yesterday. An older man committed suicide by shooting himself. I found myself understanding why he did it and why he felt he had to.

Now, the medication I am on is a fairly light medication, nothing too crazy. But if I can think this stuff while taking a small dosage, I can only imagine how it would affect someone taking a large dose of medication that has depression as a side effect.

This leads to my main point. I can't see how that someone who commits suicide because of a chemical imbalance could go to hell. I know in the past, suicide has historically been a cut and dry issue for the UPC/ALJC as a majority. You committed suicide, you went to hell. I just can't take that view now, after experiencing just a small bit of what a chemical imbalance can do. The loving God that the Bible portrays, I cannot see that God sending someone to hell for eternity because of something that person had no control over.

That is it, just wanted to get that off of my chest.

Azzan
03-25-2011, 09:08 AM
As someone who's been there, I totally understand what you are saying. A lot of people don't.

Cindy
03-25-2011, 09:24 AM
I too understand, Twisp.

Timmy
03-25-2011, 09:29 AM
. . . I cannot see that God sending someone to hell for eternity because of something that person had no control over.
. . .

Me neither.

RandyWayne
03-25-2011, 09:59 AM
Me neither.

I dunno. After all millions of early native Americans from North, Central and South America are probably burning in an eternal hell because of the simple misfortune of dying after the events of Acts chapter 2 and being too many thousands of miles away (and across the Pacific ocean) to have heard Peter in time.

rgcraig
03-25-2011, 10:07 AM
I agree with you Twisp.

And, hopefully, you will be able to get off the medication soon - - stuff like that is scary.

Twisp
03-25-2011, 10:18 AM
I agree with you Twisp.

And, hopefully, you will be able to get off the medication soon - - stuff like that is scary.

Yeah, it is definitely a new feeling for me. I am a pretty big guy, and I am only taking half a pill right now. I can't imagine how it would be if I were smaller and taking the full dosage.

I am on it for a few more months, just until we can see if it is doing what it needs to be doing.

notofworks
03-25-2011, 10:40 AM
I am normally very upbeat, never a care in the world. I have been taking some new medication lately for an issue. Either the medication or the situation has caused some depression in me lately.

Now this next part is going to get tricky and weird, lol.

It has NOT caused me to have suicidal thoughts. I have not thought about killing myself. However, I have noticed that if I am watching or listening to anything talking about suicide, I can empathize with that person. I know that sounds weird, I do not know what is going on, but for an example: I watched an episode of a TV show yesterday. An older man committed suicide by shooting himself. I found myself understanding why he did it and why he felt he had to.

Now, the medication I am on is a fairly light medication, nothing too crazy. But if I can think this stuff while taking a small dosage, I can only imagine how it would affect someone taking a large dose of medication that has depression as a side effect.

This leads to my main point. I can't see how that someone who commits suicide because of a chemical imbalance could go to hell. I know in the past, suicide has historically been a cut and dry issue for the UPC/ALJC as a majority. You committed suicide, you went to hell. I just can't take that view now, after experiencing just a small bit of what a chemical imbalance can do. The loving God that the Bible portrays, I cannot see that God sending someone to hell for eternity because of something that person had no control over.

That is it, just wanted to get that off of my chest.



I've never drawn that conclusion about suicide and don't really understand how people do. I think hell is just an easy resource to use when we don't want people to do something.

I've addressed some issues in a certain area and started medications and witnessed firsthand just how powerful they can be. The first one, while effective, left me feeling horribly. The second one did the trick and is a dream-come-true. I struggle with the practice of these meds. While they can be SO helpful, quite often the experimentation process to find the right one can be destructive, it seems.

CC1
03-25-2011, 04:20 PM
Twisp,

It may be natural as we age to have more empathy and a better understanding of suicide than we had earlier in our life. While not experiencing suicidal thoughts ourselves. I think that is the case in my life.

When you are young and your whole life is ahead of you it is hard to understand deep despair. After a half century or so of ups and downs and surviving trials, tribulations, stress and grief it is easier to see how some people, especially those not giving God control of their lives, could become overwhelmed.

Austin
03-25-2011, 04:32 PM
I am normally very upbeat, never a care in the world. I have been taking some new medication lately for an issue. Either the medication or the situation has caused some depression in me lately.

Now this next part is going to get tricky and weird, lol.

It has NOT caused me to have suicidal thoughts. I have not thought about killing myself. However, I have noticed that if I am watching or listening to anything talking about suicide, I can empathize with that person. I know that sounds weird, I do not know what is going on, but for an example: I watched an episode of a TV show yesterday. An older man committed suicide by shooting himself. I found myself understanding why he did it and why he felt he had to.

Now, the medication I am on is a fairly light medication, nothing too crazy. But if I can think this stuff while taking a small dosage, I can only imagine how it would affect someone taking a large dose of medication that has depression as a side effect.

This leads to my main point. I can't see how that someone who commits suicide because of a chemical imbalance could go to hell. I know in the past, suicide has historically been a cut and dry issue for the UPC/ALJC as a majority. You committed suicide, you went to hell. I just can't take that view now, after experiencing just a small bit of what a chemical imbalance can do. The loving God that the Bible portrays, I cannot see that God sending someone to hell for eternity because of something that person had no control over.

That is it, just wanted to get that off of my chest.

Try to surround yourself with people that will support you in what your going through. Don't stop expressing yourself to those whom you have had confidence in in the past. Communications and surrounding yourself with friends and family is a good medicine to cure depression. In time it leaves and things will look brighter.
Just remember in spite of your situation, Jesus does love you and he is always there no matter what others might say or believe. Stay on the forum and relate to people here. There are a number of pastors that have had a lot of experience in counseling people with similar circumstances.