Hezbollah builds a Western base From inside South America’s Tri-border area, Iran-lin

[COOPER]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17874369/





“If he attacks Iran, in two minutes Bush is dead,” Meri said. “We are Muslims. I am Hezbollah. We are Muslims, and we will defend our countries at any time they are attacked.”

[Ferd]

we need to do some serious meddling down there.

[Praxeas]

Gee here's a surprise...not

U.S. officials fear that poorly patrolled borders and rampant corruption in the Tri-border region could make it easy for Hezbollah terrorists to infiltrate the southern U.S. border. From the largely lawless region, it is easy for potential terrorists, without detection, to book passage to the United States through Brazil and then Mexico simply by posing as tourists.

The leftest who want the US destroyed have fooled many into thinking we can have open borders

[Pressing-On]

I was glad to see that Turkey was standing up and saying they don't want Islam taking over. Not sure that will stop anything, but I would like to see more foreign countries taking a stand with America on that issue.

A Christian church in Florida filed a suit to stop a Mosque being built in their predominantly Christian neighborhood.

[Sister Alvear]

This is so true...there are lots of muslims in that area...and in lots of areas here in Brazil.

[Carpenter]

Cooper, I would suggest you find a good Bible believing Apostolic church and plant yourself under a good Apostolic man of God and get involved. Maybe, just maybe, then you might make it!

I am praying for you brother!




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Sorry Coop, never mind...






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[COOPER]

Cooper, I would suggest you find a good Bible believing Apostolic church and plant yourself under a good Apostolic man of God and get involved. Maybe, just maybe, then you might make it!

I am praying for you brother!




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Sorry Coop, never mind...






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[Chan]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17874369/Is it any surprise? Considering how some South American leaders like Chavez in Venezuela have verbally assaulted the United States, is it really any surprise they would sympathize with terrorists?

[Chan]

Gee here's a surprise...not



The leftest who want the US destroyed have fooled many into thinking we can have open bordersBut don't you get it? They don't just want open borders, they want the borders erased and everyone sit under a single global government.

[Sister Alvear]

It is scary to think how much they want to destroy the USA

[Praxeas]

I was glad to see that Turkey was standing up and saying they don't want Islam taking over. Not sure that will stop anything, but I would like to see more foreign countries taking a stand with America on that issue.

A Christian church in Florida filed a suit to stop a Mosque being built in their predominantly Christian neighborhood.
This kind of stuff can't be blamed on what America does. Islam has been taking over nations and spreading Islam by blood and politics LONG before there was an America and they often RELY on those nations falling asleep before doing so. Look at Lebanon! Look at the Philipines. Look at Great Britain and France. They have a tiger by it's tail and have no idea what to do because they can't, in their view, kick the muslims out.

Every American. Every Christian. Every non-Muslim around the world, even China, needs to read this and wakeup. This will happen in your nation. It has nothing to do with foreign policy. It has to do with what Islam is about.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19016

[Praxeas]

This is so true...there are lots of muslims in that area...and in lots of areas here in Brazil.
They will take advantage of the turmoil and the disenfranchised poor and minority.

[Praxeas]

Is it any surprise? Considering how some South American leaders like Chavez in Venezuela have verbally assaulted the United States, is it really any surprise they would sympathize with terrorists?
Islam is an angry religion for the most part, thriving and feeding off the anger of people both muslim and not muslim. They cultivate it and use it as a weapon.

[Praxeas]

But don't you get it? They don't just want open borders, they want the borders erased and everyone sit under a single global government.
Who said I don't get it? I GET it. I have been screaming about for ever and most of you all ignore the threads I start on "it"/
Or someone just tries to convince us Christians should not concern themselves with it and do anything about it because they might just be trying to hinder prophecy.

[Chan]

Who said I don't get it? I GET it. I have been screaming about for ever and most of you all ignore the threads I start on "it"/
Or someone just tries to convince us Christians should not concern themselves with it and do anything about it because they might just be trying to hinder prophecy.Praxeas, did you notice that there was a question mark at the end of my sarcastic "Don't you get it"?

But, yes, I do think it's wrong to try to hinder Bible prophecy. Fighting against Bible prophecy is to fight against God! What we as the Church are to concern ourselves with is only one thing: communicating to the world the message God sent us here as ambassadors to communicate - the message "be reconciled to God."

[Chan]

Islam is an angry religion for the most part, thriving and feeding off the anger of people both muslim and not muslim. They cultivate it and use it as a weapon.Agreed.

[Chan]

This kind of stuff can't be blamed on what America does. Islam has been taking over nations and spreading Islam by blood and politics LONG before there was an America and they often RELY on those nations falling asleep before doing so. Look at Lebanon! Look at the Philipines. Look at Great Britain and France. They have a tiger by it's tail and have no idea what to do because they can't, in their view, kick the muslims out.

Every American. Every Christian. Every non-Muslim around the world, even China, needs to read this and wakeup. This will happen in your nation. It has nothing to do with foreign policy. It has to do with what Islam is about.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19016

The problem with what you're saying is that as Christians WE DON'T HAVE A NATION IN THIS WICKED WORLD!!!!!!!!!! Our "nation" is the kingdom of Heaven.

[COOPER]

It is scary to think how much they want to destroy the USA
Last night I watched "Red Dawn" for the first time with my boys.

It's about Cuba and Russia invading America.

[Chan]

Last night I watched "Red Dawn" for the first time with my boys.

It's about Cuba and Russia invading America.I saw it when it came out in the movie theaters back in the 1980s and I have it on DVD. It was definitely worth watching.

[CupCake]

The deal is America wants wars, America needs wars, war is big money and that's how the powerful and rich stay rich in America~Sad

[Praxeas]

Praxeas, did you notice that there was a question mark at the end of my sarcastic "Don't you get it"?

But, yes, I do think it's wrong to try to hinder Bible prophecy. Fighting against Bible prophecy is to fight against God! What we as the Church are to concern ourselves with is only one thing: communicating to the world the message God sent us here as ambassadors to communicate - the message "be reconciled to God."
Ah, sorry. I don't think anyone tries to hinder bible prophecy. I think rather they are doing what the bible says to do, occupy till I come. YOu can't fight against bible prophecy anyways. If God wants it to happen it will happen

[Praxeas]

The problem with what you're saying is that as Christians WE DON'T HAVE A NATION IN THIS WICKED WORLD!!!!!!!!!! Our "nation" is the kingdom of Heaven.
That is beside the point. As Christians our commission is to spread the truth to the world. Why would I, as a Christian, want to allow anything to happen that would hinder that?

[Pressing-On]

This kind of stuff can't be blamed on what America does. Islam has been taking over nations and spreading Islam by blood and politics LONG before there was an America and they often RELY on those nations falling asleep before doing so. Look at Lebanon! Look at the Philipines. Look at Great Britain and France. They have a tiger by it's tail and have no idea what to do because they can't, in their view, kick the muslims out.

Every American. Every Christian. Every non-Muslim around the world, even China, needs to read this and wakeup. This will happen in your nation. It has nothing to do with foreign policy. It has to do with what Islam is about.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19016

This is true, Prax. My point being that if America sees the foreign nations taking a stand it helps our efforts abroad.

Although, I'm not so sure anything will help. I used to think of China as the largest army, but now I view that as an Islamic army.

[Praxeas]

This is true, Prax. My point being that if America sees the foreign nations taking a stand it helps our efforts abroad.

Although, I'm not so sure anything will help. I used to think of China as the largest army, but now I view that as an Islamic army.
The both have large armies. One is a communist army and the other is an Islamic army. One is red and the other is green

[Chan]

Ah, sorry. I don't think anyone tries to hinder bible prophecy. I think rather they are doing what the bible says to do, occupy till I come. YOu can't fight against bible prophecy anyways. If God wants it to happen it will happenBut does "occupy" mean to get entangled in politics trying to influence legislation, trying to make the world a more comfortable place for Christians to live and other such things? Or does it mean something else? Here's the passage (Luke 19:13) in context:

"11And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

[Chan]

That is beside the point. As Christians our commission is to spread the truth to the world. Why would I, as a Christian, want to allow anything to happen that would hinder that?No, it's the entire point! Too many Christians are trying to make this present world a comfortable place for Christians to live INSTEAD OF going into all the world to make disciples.

Besides, if you look at Church history, the Church has always fallen into corruption and false doctrine whenever it has been put in a position of liberty and having the blessing of the State.

[Praxeas]

But does "occupy" mean to get entangled in politics trying to influence legislation, trying to make the world a more comfortable place for Christians to live and other such things?
We are to influence EVERYONE, including politicians. Paul preached to kings. The great commission is to preach the gospel to the world and it is logical that we would use any means to do that. If that means changing governments then so be it. Are we not to render aid to our brothers and sisters around the world who are in harms way? Where does the bible say that excludes voting or petitioning a congressman not to vote one way or to vote another?

Or does it mean something else? Here's the passage (Luke 19:13) in context:

"11And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
It means they were to continue to work for him. Even Paul used the fact that he was a Roman citizen to his advantage.

[Praxeas]

No, it's the entire point! Too many Christians are trying to make this present world a comfortable place for Christians to live INSTEAD OF going into all the world to make disciples.

Besides, if you look at Church history, the Church has always fallen into corruption and false doctrine whenever it has been put in a position of liberty and having the blessing of the State.
I don't see anyone here talking about comfort. We are talking about OPEN DOORS. And we have been placed in a nation where we have that ability to spread the truth even more. We send missionaries preaching the truth to every nation more than any other nation because of the freedoms and wealth we enjoy. It would be a serious tragedy to actively let that slip away. That is carelessness.

Second, nobody is asking for a special blessing for the church. We are trying to prevent the state from hindering the church even more.

Those instances you are referring to are examples of state sanctioned churches and direct interference as well as where the church and state were NOT separate. That is completely different from what we are discussing

[TalkLady]

The ONLY place of Shelter is under the wings of the Almighty God - Jesus Christ. He is our Strong and Mighty Tower. He is our Refuge.

In Times Like these We Need a Saviour!!!! and We Have a Saviour!!!...That's the best part!!

[Ferd]

when do we get to just blow the holy begeebers out of these people?

[COOPER]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17874369/

From inside South America’s Tri-border area, Iran-linked militia targets U.S.
MSNBC video


'We are Muslims. I am Hezbollah.'
Mustafa Khalil Meri, a Hezbollah militiaman in Paraguay, says the militant Islamist group would take violent revenge inside the United States if it were to attack Iran.
Telemundo & msnbc.com


En espanol
Amenaza terrorista
Parte Una: Pablo Gato de la cadena Telemundo envia un reportaje desde un campamento de Hezbollah en la zona Triple Frontera.
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From its Western base in a remote region divided by the borders of Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina known as the Tri-border, or the Triple Frontier, Hezbollah has mined the frustrations of many Muslims among about 25,000 Arab residents whose families immigrated mainly from Lebanon in two waves, after the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and after the 1985 Lebanese civil war.

An investigation by Telemundo and NBC News has uncovered details of an extensive smuggling network run by Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim group founded in Lebanon in 1982 that the United States has labeled an international terrorist organization. The operation funnels large sums of money to militia leaders in the Middle East and finances training camps, propaganda operations and bomb attacks in South America, according to U.S. and South American officials.

[Sam]

Is it any surprise? Considering how some South American leaders like Chavez in Venezuela have verbally assaulted the United States, is it really any surprise they would sympathize with terrorists?

And how about some of our Americans who have gone there and rallied around chavez?

[Sam]

when do we get to just blow the holy begeebers out of these people?

Now, now, Ferd. What kind of reaction would that get from Hollywood, Jimmy Carter, the tv networks, and the Democratic party?

[Ferd]

Now, now, Ferd. What kind of reaction would that get from Hollywood, Jimmy Carter, the tv networks, and the Democratic party?


well, we could get Jimmy Carter and Hollywierd and the tv networks down there to investagate things first. then blow the holy begeebers out of the place... get 4 birds with one very large bomb...

thanks for pointing out the need for more extensive begeebers blowing.