Loud and Clear: thatsabortion.com

[Hoovie]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/St-Louis-billboard.jpg


http://thatsabortion.com/

[Socialite]

What about the other 63%?

[Socialite]

Definitely over-represented here though.

[Hoovie]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/obamabillboard2.jpg

[Orthodoxy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-6VLUVglG8&utm_source=Abort73+Ministry+Updates&utm_campaign=d4e3f389ff-Video3_28_2011&utm_medium=email

This little video is powerful.

[warrior]

As An African American woman, I am terribly offended on many levels. Before I go off and start making comments, please tell me what is the point in this thread?

[Hoovie]

As An African American woman, I am terribly offended on many levels. Before I go off and start making comments, please tell me what is the point in this thread?

And you should be. I too am offended that Blacks, including African Americans are targeted by abortion providers.

Over three times as many innocent African American children are killed in the womb than other races (percentage wise).

These billboards are going up across the country, but Planned Parenthood and abortion promoters are fighting them and the truth they reveal.

That is why this thread was started.

I agree with what Dr. Alveda King said when the billboard in NYC was taken down;
"It is an outrageous act of censorship that this billboard was taken down. It should provoke outrage in the African-American community—not because it is racist, but because of the truth it reveals."
http://thatsabortion.com/in_the_media/alveda-king-the-most-dangerous-place-for-an-african-american-is-in-the-womb/

http://www.thatsabortion.com/

[aegsm76]

Are you terribly offended at the disproportionate number of abortions performed on African-American women?
The abortion industry makes a great living on the deaths of African-American babies.
One final question.
What about this do you think offends God?

[Truthseeker]

And you should be. I too am offended that Blacks, including African Americans are targeted by abortion providers.

Over three times as many innocent African American children are killed in the womb than other races (percentage wise).

These billboards are going up across the country, but Planned Parenthood and abortion promoters are fighting them and the truth they reveal.

That is why this thread was started.

I agree with what Dr. Alveda King said when the billboard in NYC was taken down;
"It is an outrageous act of censorship that this billboard was taken down. It should provoke outrage in the African-American community—not because it is racist, but because of the truth it reveals."
http://thatsabortion.com/in_the_media/alveda-king-the-most-dangerous-place-for-an-african-american-is-in-the-womb/

http://www.thatsabortion.com/

What do mean targeted? How are they targeted? Do they not go and pay for the abortion?

[Socialite]

And you should be. I too am offended that Blacks, including African Americans are targeted by abortion providers.

Over three times as many innocent African American children are killed in the womb than other races (percentage wise).

These billboards are going up across the country, but Planned Parenthood and abortion promoters are fighting them and the truth they reveal.

That is why this thread was started.

I agree with what Dr. Alveda King said when the billboard in NYC was taken down;
"It is an outrageous act of censorship that this billboard was taken down. It should provoke outrage in the African-American community—not because it is racist, but because of the truth it reveals."
http://thatsabortion.com/in_the_media/alveda-king-the-most-dangerous-place-for-an-african-american-is-in-the-womb/

http://www.thatsabortion.com/

That's a false statement, no matter the spin. Suggesting they strategically target black people is a little sensational IMO.

[Socialite]

What about the other 63%?

BUMP

[Truthseeker]

BUMP

Yeah, I'm sure there not targeted. :thumbsup

[Truthseeker]

That's a false statement, no matter the spin. Suggesting they strategically target black people is a little sensational IMO.

yep, they choose to go just whites, browns, yellers, asian etc......

Even made abortion a race thing, ridiculous.

[Hoovie]

What do mean targeted? How are they targeted? Do they not go and pay for the abortion?

That's a false statement, no matter the spin. Suggesting they strategically target black people is a little sensational IMO.

Yeah, I'm sure there not targeted. :thumbsup


I think there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/February/Pro-Life-Leaders-Mourn-Black-Genocide/

[Socialite]

I think there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/February/Pro-Life-Leaders-Mourn-Black-Genocide/

That's your evidence?? :laffatu

[Hoovie]

What about the other 63%?

BUMP

Not sure that I understand the question.

The "other 63%" would be non African American pre-born babies that are killed.

[Socialite]

Not sure that I understand the question.

The "other 63%" would be non African American pre-born babies that are killed.

What's the breakdown. That seems to be a pretty large number.

Understanding blacks are overrepresented (this is true in many statistical categories), I'm curious what the other percentage represents.

[Hoovie]

That's your evidence?? :laffatu

None of it is my evidence. This is information put out by members of the black community. Did you go to the www.thatsabortion.com site?

http://www.blacknews.com/news/abortion_black_genocide101.shtml



I have no real interest in the race aspect of it at all. I am interested in saving babies period. That is why I am a longtime financial supporter of crisis pregnancy centers.

[Hoovie]

What's the breakdown. That seems to be a pretty large number.

Understanding blacks are overrepresented (this is true in many statistical categories), I'm curious what the other percentage represents.

Shoot them an e-mail. That's what I would do.

[Truthseeker]

I think there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/February/Pro-Life-Leaders-Mourn-Black-Genocide/

Just claims they are targeted, no evidence. article claims unaware black minsters used for it as well. How on earth are black ministers being used in targeting black women for abortions? I've heard alot of black preachers and have time buying this.

[Truthseeker]

As An African American woman, I am terribly offended on many levels. Before I go off and start making comments, please tell me what is the point in this thread?

What part offends you?

[coadie]

That's a false statement, no matter the spin. Suggesting they strategically target black people is a little sensational IMO.

Actually you seem to be wrong.


How Planned Parenthood Duped America

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

Margaret Sanger was a racist woman and called them "little weeds"

With the Negro group some of the most difficult obstacles . . . to overcome are: (1) the concept that when birth control is proposed to them, it is motivated by a clever bit of machination to persuade them to commit race suicide; (2) the so-called "husband rejection" . . . (3) the fact that birth control is confused with abortion, and (4) the belief that is inherently immoral. However, as formidable as these objections may seem, when thrown against the total picture of the awareness on the part of the Negro leaders of the improved condition under Planned Parenthood, or the genuine interest and eagerness of the families themselves to secure the services which will give them a fair chance for health and happiness, the obstacles to the program are greatly outweighed.

http://www.jillstanek.com/

[jfrog]

Actually you seem to be wrong.




http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

Margaret Sanger was a racist woman and called them "little weeds"



http://www.jillstanek.com/

LOL. You cite someone from 1925. Aren't you about 75 years out of date?

By the way, the 2nd quote doesn't appear to me to be racist, instead it appears to be addressing misconceptions blacks had about people suggesting abortion to them.

[Hoovie]

Regardless whether it's true that there is black "genocide" via abortion as several black groups claim, the facts remain:

1. Abortion is marketed and heavily promoted as a safe solution for unwanted pregnancies by groups like Planned Parenthood.

2. Abortion kills babies and more than 1/3 of these are African American. An African American baby is three times more likely to be aborted (African Americans comprise less than 13% of the population)

In some cities the disparity is even greater:
Percent of lives lost to abortion in New York City (2009):
• 46.7% African American (national average is 37%)
• 32.5% Hispanic
• 11.3% Caucasian
Source: New York City Department of Heath and Mental Hygiene/ Bureau of Vital Statistics for 2009
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/2009sum.pdf
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/vs/vs.shtml

[Socialite]

Regardless whether it's true that there is black "genocide" via abortion as several black groups claim, the facts remain:

1. Abortion is marketed and heavily promoted as a safe solution for unwanted pregnancies by groups like Planned Parenthood.

2. Abortion kills babies and more than 1/3 of these are African American. An African American baby is three times more likely to be aborted (African Americans comprise less than 13% of the population)

In some cities the disparity is even greater:
Percent of lives lost to abortion in New York City (2009):
• 46.7% African American (national average is 37%)
• 32.5% Hispanic
• 11.3% Caucasian
Source: New York City Department of Heath and Mental Hygiene/ Bureau of Vital Statistics for 2009
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/2009sum.pdf
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/vs/vs.shtml

The common denominator for this overrepresentation here is not race, but power and poverty.

WHO HAS ABORTIONS?

• Eighteen percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are teenagers; those aged 15-17 obtain 6% of all abortions, teens aged 18-19 obtain 11%, and teens under age 15 obtain 0.4%. [6]
• Women in their twenties account for more than half of all abortions; women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and women aged 25-29 obtain 24%. [6]
• Thirty percent of abortions occur to non-Hispanic black women, 36% to non-Hispanic white women, 25% to Hispanic women and 9% to women of other races. [6]
• Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% as Catholic.[6]
• Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions.[6]
• About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children.[6]
• Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).
• Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100-199% of the federal poverty level.* [6]
• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[7]

We could have some good discussions on these recent stats.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

[Socialite]

I really appreciated what the authors of Kingdom Ethics (http://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Ethics-Following-Contemporary-Context/dp/0830826688) had to say about the topic of abortion, and how they admonished faith communities to deal with this issue. If I have time, I'll post some excerpts.

[Hoovie]

"The common denominator for this overrepresentation here is not race, but power and poverty."

No question. I understand that. However, blacks are overrepresented in the poverty group and thus are disproportionately exposed to the likes of Planned Parenthood who strongly favors and pushes abortion over adoption, even though adoption is far less traumatic for both mother and child.

Planned Parenthood touts their free or low cost healthcare, and with public funds reaches deep into impoverished communities with their abortion-first message.

[coadie]

That's your evidence?? :laffatu

Planned parenthood admits they will target minorities.

He... asked to donate money specifically for the abortions of African-American babies... to "lower the number of blacks in America." Despite his bigoted requests, no PP employee (or director of development, in one case) declined the tainted money.... In fact, some even went as far as agreeing with the antiblack agenda....

http://www.jillstanek.com/industry-watch/planned-parenth-30.html

With more than 79% of clinics in minority neighborhoods, and more than 1400 black abortions daily, these programs are doing precisely what our actor asked them to do. PP is (intentionally or not) exterminating the black community.

Democratas defend this racist mess called Planned parenthood.

[coadie]

I really appreciated what the authors of Kingdom Ethics (http://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Ethics-Following-Contemporary-Context/dp/0830826688) had to say about the topic of abortion, and how they admonished faith communities to deal with this issue. If I have time, I'll post some excerpts.

You are defending abortion. I don't.

[coadie]

Are you terribly offended at the disproportionate number of abortions performed on African-American women?
The abortion industry makes a great living on the deaths of African-American babies.
One final question.
What about this do you think offends God?

In a widely reported 1974 article in The New England Journal of Medicine, “Deeper into Abortion,’’ Dr. Nathanson described his growing moral and medical qualms about abortion. “I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I had in fact presided over 60,000 deaths.’’

While interning at Woman’s Hospital in Manhattan, he observed the effects of illegal abortions on the mostly poor black and Hispanic women who came under his care, and he became convinced that the laws prohibiting abortion must be changed.

Jesus mentioned extra punishement to people that hurt childrem.

[Hoovie]

Coadie, I agree that abortion is an especially agregious sin. If the child is born it has that advantage of having screams heard, and as he/she grows possibly even run from an attacker. When assaulted in the womb she is simply at the mercy of the killer.

Socialite is defending abortion? I don't think so... Unless you are reading something I am not. There are many different Christian responses to abortion, but none can possibly be condoning, or defending it.

[warrior]

Truthseeker, you need to do a better job of pursuing truth. I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races. Please tell me why you feel this and I will tell you why this is in accurate.

I get sick and tired of posts and threads like yours. State your evidence, please.

[warrior]

Abortion is a choice. No one make you walk into the clinics and participate.

[On The Wheel]

Truthseeker, you need to do a better job of pursuing truth. I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races. Please tell me why you feel this and I will tell you why this is in accurate.

I get sick and tired of posts and threads like yours. State your evidence, please.

Get the chip off of your shoulder! He is trying to help the African American community, not attack it. If there were an agenda that was out to limit the African American community, wouldn't that alarm you?

If this information came out about the English/Irish American community, I would not be directing my anger toward the one who is disseminating the information. I'd direct my ire toward the appropriate target. The killers!

[warrior]

Get the chip off of your shoulder! He is trying to help the African American community, not attack it. If there were an agenda that was out to limit the African American community, wouldn't that alarm you?

If this information came out about the English/Irish American community, I would not be directing my anger toward the one who is disseminating the information. I'd direct my ire toward the appropriate target. The killers!

If the goal is to help the African American community, this isn't the way to do it.

Secondly, how do you know what his motive is?

Thirdly, it is really a terrible thing when you can't see why this is offensive. It is called cultural competence.

[coadie]

Coadie, I agree that abortion is an especially agregious sin. If the child is born it has that advantage of having screams heard, and as he/she grows possibly even run from an attacker. When assaulted in the womb she is simply at the mercy of the killer.

Socialite is defending abortion? I don't think so... Unless you are reading something I am not. There are many different Christian responses to abortion, but none can possibly be condoning, or defending it.

There are things like what we call covert activities, If I watch Reid and sort thru what he says and How he votes, his support of abortion is overt. He tries to frame it as choice and not abortion. Obama tried to have it written into Obamascare as Womens health payments. Then covertly he let Sebelious define the breadth of Women's health so it was not so obvious in the law that they supported and covered abortion. Tyhat way the word abortion doesn't appear in the law.

From a behavioral standpoint, i look at what the wording says in the party platform of what people vote for.

Islam is a non violent religion.

I also read their party platform and see that the Quran says indeed it is violent. If you overtly reject their violence, that means you may be on the way out the door.

[Truthseeker]

Truthseeker, you need to do a better job of pursuing truth. I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races. Please tell me why you feel this and I will tell you why this is in accurate.

I get sick and tired of posts and threads like yours. State your evidence, please.

Hold them mules. I'm not the one that stated such, can you show me the post if I did? they were claiming they were targeting blacks with my point being they have a choice to go just like whites, browns or anybody. I think you got me mixed up with someone else.

BTW It's a black anitbortion group putting up statiistics.

[Truthseeker]

Abortion is a choice. No one make you walk into the clinics and participate.

exactly the point I've made on this thread.

[coadie]

If the goal is to help the African American community, this isn't the way to do it.

Secondly, how do you know what his motive is?

Thirdly, it is really a terrible thing when you can't see why this is offensive. It is called cultural competence.

I offer 2 suggestions. Read what Margaret Sanger wrote including her agenda and Read material from Correta King.

http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2006/01/coretta_scott_k.php

abortion.Article

Why is it that black leaders don't see the evil of abortion and how it has taken the lives of millions of their people? Statistically a person sentenced to the death penalty has a "1.4 percent chance of being executed during the remainder of his life". With abortion, black women kill half as many of their children as are born, approximately 503 per 1000.

When Rosa Parks died back in October of 2005 I wrote about how Margaret Sanger, a proponent of eugenics, would be proud of her eugenics achievements. Her organization, Planned Parenthood, continues to kill hundreds of thousands of unborn blacks every year

Silent No More Awareness Campaign ... Dr. Alveda King. National Spokeswoman for the Campaign. Dr. Alveda King is a civil rights activist, speaking out on issues that ...

[On The Wheel]

If the goal is to help the African American community, this isn't the way to do it.

Secondly, how do you know what his motive is?

Thirdly, it is really a terrible thing when you can't see why this is offensive. It is called cultural competence.

Actually, after reading your posts and his I'm quite confused. I'm not sure exactly what you are angry at or what he might have done to offend you. What I do know is that you seemed to jump on him for very little cause. As for knowing his motives, I can't say that I do. But I am willing to give Truthseeker the benefit of the doubt that he is not a racist, Afro-American detractor. For all I know, he might be Afro-American.

For the record, I'm pretty highly educated and have been subjected to all kinds of cultural relevance training, but I'm not sure what cultural competence is. Perhaps you want to assume my world view is racist also.

It's a sad, lonely, bitter way to live.

[Truthseeker]

Actually, after reading your posts and his I'm quite confused. I'm not sure exactly what you are angry at or what he might have done to offend you. What I do know is that you seemed to jump on him for very little cause. As for knowing his motives, I can't say that I do. But I am willing to give Truthseeker the benefit of the doubt that he is not a racist, Afro-American detractor. For all I know, he might be Afro-American.

For the record, I'm pretty highly educated and have been subjected to all kinds of cultural relevance training, but I'm not sure what cultural competence is. Perhaps you want to assume my world view is racist also.

It's a sad, lonely, bitter way to live.


Truthseeker is not the one that posted this thread with pics and stats or website. I just questioned how are blacks being targeted since they have a choice to go?

[aegsm76]

Truthseeker, you need to do a better job of pursuing truth. I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races. Please tell me why you feel this and I will tell you why this is in accurate.

I get sick and tired of posts and threads like yours. State your evidence, please.

Warrior - it is a fact that has been proved in previous posts/links that African Americans receive abortions at a higher rate than other races.
If you want to argue with this, go argue with the government and numerous other data sites that keep these statistics.

[Digging4Truth]

Truthseeker, you need to do a better job of pursuing truth. I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races. Please tell me why you feel this and I will tell you why this is in accurate.

I get sick and tired of posts and threads like yours. State your evidence, please.

I read through this entire thread to see what you were offended at and I find out that you were offended at the facts?

I didn't see that one coming.

[On The Wheel]

Truthseeker is not the one that posted this thread with pics and stats or website. I just questioned how are blacks being targeted since they have a choice to go?

Exactly. When I tried to back you up I was fingered for lacking in "cultural competance", whatever that is. :ouch

[Socialite]

You are defending abortion. I don't.

Everytime you begin a post response with "you...", you're probably wrong.

You've done this to me everytime we've interacted. I'm NOT defending abortion -- quit making things up to try and have conversation.

[Socialite]

Planned parenthood admits they will target minorities.

He... asked to donate money specifically for the abortions of African-American babies... to "lower the number of blacks in America." Despite his bigoted requests, no PP employee (or director of development, in one case) declined the tainted money.... In fact, some even went as far as agreeing with the antiblack agenda....

http://www.jillstanek.com/industry-watch/planned-parenth-30.html



Democratas defend this racist mess called Planned parenthood.

Again, jfrog already put you on blast for your very outdated quote. And regardless if SOME viewed abortion as a way to "get rid of those blacks" there is no shred of evidence that they are specifically targeting black communities to kill their babies. That's simply sensational and false.

[Socialite]

Coadie, I agree that abortion is an especially agregious sin. If the child is born it has that advantage of having screams heard, and as he/she grows possibly even run from an attacker. When assaulted in the womb she is simply at the mercy of the killer.

Socialite is defending abortion? I don't think so... Unless you are reading something I am not. There are many different Christian responses to abortion, but none can possibly be condoning, or defending it.

Correct. Once again, Coadie is just making things up.

Though, I do call some "brother" who legally don't feel the government should be involved with abortion. That's more an argument of the scope of government than it is the morality of abortion.

I'm firmly opposed to abortions, yet have learned how to have a gracious response to the issue in general. The book I referenced articulated it very well.

[Socialite]

Get the chip off of your shoulder! He is trying to help the African American community, not attack it. If there were an agenda that was out to limit the African American community, wouldn't that alarm you?

If this information came out about the English/Irish American community, I would not be directing my anger toward the one who is disseminating the information. I'd direct my ire toward the appropriate target. The killers!

Bologna. It's a sensational ploy to further one's case against abortion. It was stated incorrectly and is, in fact, false.

[Socialite]

Actually, after reading your posts and his I'm quite confused. I'm not sure exactly what you are angry at or what he might have done to offend you. What I do know is that you seemed to jump on him for very little cause. As for knowing his motives, I can't say that I do. But I am willing to give Truthseeker the benefit of the doubt that he is not a racist, Afro-American detractor. For all I know, he might be Afro-American.

For the record, I'm pretty highly educated and have been subjected to all kinds of cultural relevance training, but I'm not sure what cultural competence is. Perhaps you want to assume my world view is racist also.

It's a sad, lonely, bitter way to live.

Afro-American? What is that, 1990?

[Socialite]

I read through this entire thread to see what you were offended at and I find out that you were offended at the facts?

I didn't see that one coming.

Facts? :lol

[Socialite]

Warrior - it is a fact that has been proved in previous posts/links that African Americans receive abortions at a higher rate than other races.
If you want to argue with this, go argue with the government and numerous other data sites that keep these statistics.

That they are overrepresented in this area does not mean there's a conspiracy against them, or that they are "targeted."

[On The Wheel]

Afro-American? What is that, 1990?

What designation would you prefer? Negro, Black, Colored? All these labels have been enthusiastically embraced then later discarded. It's hard to keep up with the politically correct way to describe the aforementioned racial group.

You tell me what makes you feel warm and fuzzy and I'll use that.

[Socialite]

What designation would you prefer? Negro, Black, Colored? All these labels have been enthusiastically embraced then later discarded. It's hard to keep up with the politically correct way to describe the aforementioned racial group.

You tell me what makes you feel warm and fuzzy and I'll use that.

I'm not black, so I'm taking my cues from the society I live in, just like everyone else.

Language in our white culture has changed over times, this isn't uncommon. You seem to really be bothered by that.

I'm mostly laughing because I haven't heard a black person referred to as "Afro" American since probably the 90's. I couldn't tell you if it's "acceptable" or not, I just don't hear it that way. Africa-America and Black are still the most common.

It's not about making someone warm and fuzzy, it's about being polite, courteous and respectful. But mostly, I was just jabbing with you. Didn't think it'd set you off like that.

[aegsm76]

That they are overrepresented in this area does not mean there's a conspiracy against them, or that they are "targeted."

I agree with you to a certain extent.
I will say that some of the early planned parenthood material was dramatically racist.
They wanted to limit births of minorities before "they" were overrun.
I think the targeting is more of people going where the "money" or customers are.

[Socialite]

I agree with you to a certain extent.
I will say that some of the early planned parenthood material was dramatically racist.
They wanted to limit births of minorities before "they" were overrun.
I think the targeting is more of people going where the "money" or customers are.

Absolutely -- or at least, Sanger's views were certainly bent that way.

(It would shock us how many others in history supported ideas like eugenics, even contemporaries of Sanger)

I just think it's not demonstrated that there is an intentional campaign against blacks, and that's what is irresponsible and sensational -- though, I get the overall concern that abortion disproportionately affects poor people. Middle-class white families are well-represented in the numbers, but ratio to population is definitely dramatic.

[On The Wheel]

I'm not black, so I'm taking my cues from the society I live in, just like everyone else.

Language in our white culture has changed over times, this isn't uncommon. You seem to really be bothered by that.

I'm mostly laughing because I haven't heard a black person referred to as "Afro" American since probably the 90's. I couldn't tell you if it's "acceptable" or not, I just don't hear it that way. Africa-America and Black are still the most common.

It's not about making someone warm and fuzzy, it's about being polite, courteous and respectful. But mostly, I was just jabbing with you. Didn't think it'd set you off like that.

I'm not really sure what kind of news media you tune in to, if any, but Afro-American is still the term used by universities, politicians, and news media outlets all over the world.

Some also use "African-American" which is essentially the same thing.

Peace!

[Socialite]

I'm not really sure what kind of news media you tune in to, if any, but Afro-American is still the term used by universities, politicians, and news media outlets all over the world.

Some also use "African-American" which is essentially the same thing.

Peace!

I hear that often. I'm not exactly in the dark with news outlets, listening to occasional AM Radio, Cable News, Local News, Internet News, newspapers, etc..

I also am quite familiar with University culture, and haven't heard that in a number of years.

Maybe it's being recycled? You know, like Bell Bottoms!

[On The Wheel]

I hear that often. I'm not exactly in the dark with news outlets, listening to occasional AM Radio, Cable News, Local News, Internet News, newspapers, etc..

I also am quite familiar with University culture, and haven't heard that in a number of years.

Maybe it's being recycled? You know, like Bell Bottoms!

Dear God, let's hope not!!:lol

[Digging4Truth]

Facts? :lol

Which stats on the number of abortions on a race by race basis were wrong?

[jfrog]

Which stats on the number of abortions on a race by race basis were wrong?

It's not the stat, it's the explanation of what that stat means. Stats don't lie... but people lie or are often mistaken about what stats mean. In fact, gathering stats is easy, interpreting what they mean is rather hard. For example: in the NFL winning teams have more rushing yards than losing ones. The most obvious interpretation of this stat is that accumulating rushing yards causes winning. However, another equally valid interpretation is that winning causes the accumulation of rushing yards.

So while more black women abort babies than white women this doesn't show that black women are targeted any more than white women are. However, that is one possibility. Another possibility is that black women respond more to the targeting being done to them than white women. But we can't really stop there because stopping there doesn't answer the question of why black women respond more to abortion than white women. Is there something inherently pro having abortion in black women or is there some social, economic or other stimulus that causes this trend?

[Digging4Truth]

It's not the stat, it's the explanation of what that stat means. Stats don't lie... but people lie or are often mistaken about what stats mean. In fact, gathering stats is easy, interpreting what they mean is rather hard. For example: in the NFL winning teams have more rushing yards than losing ones. The most obvious interpretation of this stat is that accumulating rushing yards causes winning. However, another equally valid interpretation is that winning causes the accumulation of rushing yards.

So while more black women abort babies than white women this doesn't show that black women are targeted any more than white women are. However, that is one possibility. Another possibility is that black women respond more to the targeting being done to them than white women. But we can't really stop there because stopping there doesn't answer the question of why black women respond more to abortion than white women. Is there something inherently pro having abortion in black women or is there some social, economic or other stimulus that causes this trend?

Agreed completely. That is why I searched through the thread to see what she was offended by. Offended by assumptions maybe? Offended by people taking raw numbers without considering that there or other circumstances involved even.

But she said...

I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races

According to the stats given. This is true.

As you have said... raw facts aren't the whole story. There is more to it than just numbers. That is why I was intrigued about what she might find offensive and, per her post, it appears to be the raw data that offends her.

I might be misconstruing her post as the "but" in her sentence seems to be a typo or lack of punctuation makes it unclear as to what is exactly being said. It's hard to tell.

But my initial reading of the post leads one to believe she is upset at the raw data and I find that a little amazing.

[jfrog]

Agreed completely. That is why I searched through the thread to see what she was offended by. Offended by assumptions maybe? Offended by people taking raw numbers without considering that there or other circumstances involved even.

But she said...



According to the stats given. This is true.

As you have said... raw facts aren't the whole story. There is more to it than just numbers. That is why I was intrigued about what she might find offensive and, per her post, it appears to be the raw data that offends her.

I might be misconstruing her post as the "but" in her sentence seems to be a typo or lack of punctuation makes it unclear as to what is exactly being said. It's hard to tell.

But my initial reading of the post leads one to believe she is upset at the raw data and I find that a little amazing.

My initial reading was that she was upset that people were bringing those raw facts into this as if they proved something relating to the position of this thread.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races.

Well the truth should set you free, not offend you.

If the truth offends you, then you should check yourself.


The bottomline is that abortion kills more black babies than any other racial group in America today.

This means that more black mothers are choosing to kill their babies than any other race of mothers in America today.

Sad and maddening all at once!

The question is WHY are there so many black mothers choosing to kill their babies-- to which there are several factors.


One of the factors is the location of so many abortion clinics. The same phenomemnon is seen in northern cities in America where at one time there seemed to be a liquor store peddling high fructose poison and lottery tickets on every corner.

The key location of so many of these abortion clinics should be a source of offence!

Are the actions of the peddlers of abortion offensive to you, Warrior?

I think the higher incidence of abortion in the Black community today is a direct reflection of yesterday's targeted advertising.


There are other factors that must be addressed if black people want to move forward as a race in America-- as opposed to what we see today with so many Blacks making great progress and societal contributions and many others causing their entire community constant heartache and pain.

[Socialite]

Is a middle-class/rich person going to go to an abortion clinic or their Primary Care Provider for an abortion? Which do you think?

Also, clinics/services, etc are more common in cities, especially inner-cities. Suburbs attract middle-class families, while many poor people stay in the cities. Cities inevitably become poorer whenever suburbs expand around them because as people are less and less likely to live in the inner-city areas they move themselves, and their wealth and businesses, to the surrounding affluent suburbs. And the tax base begins to leave and the city becomes poorer and unable to repair much of its damages. Large cities provide easier transportation, closer hospitals, more opportunity for work, etc...

Fact is, the issue is much more complex. As far as liquor stores, check cashing outfits (should be illegal), excess of fast food restaurants, etc... that's laissez faire, baby.

Once again, the mere fact that blacks are over-represented (they are not the majority of abortions -- even by the stats in this thread, but my population representation, are clearly over-represented), does not mean there is an agenda (someone else on this forum's favorite word) to "target" them.

As is common to poorer people, drugs, unwanted pregnancies (due to lack of financial stability, etc), crime, etc are more problematic.

[Digging4Truth]

My initial reading was that she was upset that people were bringing those raw facts into this as if they proved something relating to the position of this thread.

That's not what I had gleaned from her posts when I read them.

That would certainly make more sense.

[Hoovie]

Well the truth should set you free, not offend you.

If the truth offends you, then you should check yourself.


The bottomline is that abortion kills more black babies than any other racial group in America today.

This means that more black mothers are choosing to kill their babies than any other race of mothers in America today.

Sad and maddening all at once!

The question is WHY are there so many black mothers choosing to kill their babies-- to which there are several factors.


One of the factors is the location of so many abortion clinics. The same phenomemnon is seen in northern cities in America where at one time there seemed to be a liquor store peddling high fructose poison and lottery tickets on every corner.

The key location of so many of these abortion clinics should be a source of offence!

Are the actions of the peddlers of abortion offensive to you, Warrior?

I think the higher incidence of abortion in the Black community today is a direct reflection of yesterday's targeted advertising.


There are other factors that must be addressed if black people want to move forward as a race in America-- as opposed to what we see today with so many Blacks making great progress and societal contributions and many others causing their entire community constant heartache and pain.

Bingo.

It's called strategic marketing. Any industry will focus on their target audience and promote their goods and services heavily within that market. It is smart, and wise use of advertising dollars. That the product is death changes nothing. A fool can recognize this.

If our government removed all the Planned Parenthood abortion clinics, and used the same $$ to place a crisis pregnancy center in their stead, abortions of black babies would drop radically.

[Hoovie]

Cain is right on target on this issue!

"Seventy-five percent of those facilities were built in the black community. In Margaret Sanger's own words, she didn't use the word 'genocide,' but she did talk about preventing the increasing number of poor blacks in this country by preventing black babies from being born," Cain told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/30/planned-parenthood-rejects-cain-claim-abortion-clinics-are-aimed-at-black/#ixzz1cJvgqblx

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/30/planned-parenthood-rejects-cain-claim-abortion-clinics-are-aimed-at-black/

[commonsense]

Wow!
And all of this in America!

[canam]

That's a false statement, no matter the spin. Suggesting they strategically target black people is a little sensational IMO.

Unlearned opinion is more like it read the words of the starter of planned parenthood see what she had to say, dont take our word for it .listen to people like Herman Cain and his opinion of that org.

[canam]

Cain is right on target on this issue!

"Seventy-five percent of those facilities were built in the black community. In Margaret Sanger's own words, she didn't use the word 'genocide,' but she did talk about preventing the increasing number of poor blacks in this country by preventing black babies from being born," Cain told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/30/planned-parenthood-rejects-cain-claim-abortion-clinics-are-aimed-at-black/#ixzz1cJvgqblx

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/30/planned-parenthood-rejects-cain-claim-abortion-clinics-are-aimed-at-black/

thanks hoov for the link ,and blacks continue to defend the dem party who has it in their platform.