The Importance of Doctrine

[Dedicated Mind]

Is having the right doctrine necessary for salvation?

Can you be a good moral person and a muslim or catholic and be saved?

Why did Christ commission the gospel to every creature if you can be saved without it?

If faith in Christ is all you need to be saved, then why does the bible say that the road is narrow that leads to salvation and there are few that find it?

Do you think that christians with correct doctrine will be judged at the judgement seat of christ and good, moral people saved at the white throne judgement?

thoughts that keep me up at night...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Is having the right doctrine necessary for salvation?

Can you be a good moral person and a muslim or catholic and be saved?

Why did Christ commission the gospel to every creature if you can be saved without it?

If faith in Christ is all you need to be saved, then why does the bible say that the road is narrow that leads to salvation and there are few that find it?

Do you think that christians with correct doctrine will be judged at the judgement seat of christ and good, moral people saved at the white throne judgement?

thoughts that keep me up at night...


I've had many of the same questions and continue to do so.

I really believe that there are some doctrinal issues that are not salvific, but there are some that are. One thing that is for sure, NO ONE is saved by being a morally good person.


Faith is what is necessary for salvation, but the Bible mentions those who have not obeyed the Gospel. Paul takes the time to delineate a difference and we should too.

That obedience is the most consistent sign of faith unto salvation.

The life that is changed by the POWER of the Holy Ghost is the sure testimony of an individual's saving faith in Jesus Christ.

[Timmy]

Is having the right doctrine necessary for salvation?

Can you be a good moral person and a muslim or catholic and be saved?

Why did Christ commission the gospel to every creature if you can be saved without it?

If faith in Christ is all you need to be saved, then why does the bible say that the road is narrow that leads to salvation and there are few that find it?

Do you think that christians with correct doctrine will be judged at the judgement seat of christ and good, moral people saved at the white throne judgement?

thoughts that keep me up at night...

Don't ask me. No, really. Don't ask me. You won't like my answers! :heeheehee

[onefaith2]

I hope its true about the two resurrections. I'm not so clear on it. I would like to think its true but scripture to me isn't clearest either way. I do believe doctrine matters or else we'd simply have the gospels. Most of the NT is doctrine, the epistles. While the gospels do contain doctrine, they embody the life of Jesus Himself and are not as black and white on things like what baptism does and how often one should take communion and whether or not predestination is correct, etc.

[Scott Hutchinson]

The teaches us to rightly divide the word of truth. So doctrine or teaching is important.
Knowing and applying truth to our lives makes us free.
Of course just knowing doctrinal precepts doesn't save anyone.
Our works as a Christian should be motivated by faith ,and not by trying to earn salvation by performance,but we are created unto good works.
Faith in Christ should produce obedience to the word of God.
The Lord is a just judge and judges accordingly to His justice.
Outside of faith in Jesus Christ,I don't see how anybody can be saved.
And outside of being in Christ,how can one be a new creation ?

[Sister Alvear]

In many ways this is a complex question for our finite minds. Only God alone can say who is and who is not saved...however we must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Sounds serious to me...

Philippians 2:12b-13 "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure"

Isaiah 55:8-11
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, declares the Lord. As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts. As the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is My Word the goes out from My mouth. It will not return to me empty."


Proverbs 1:7

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Proverbs 15:33

"The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."


Isaiah wrote:

“...this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and THEIR FEAR TOWARD ME IS TAUGHT BY THE PRECEPT OF MEN.” (Isaiah 29:13)

I don´t think fear often means what first comes to our mind when the word fear is used but often it means love...

Psalms 34:11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.
12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?
13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
15 The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
16 The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

Psalms 85:7 Shew us thy mercy, O LORD, and grant us thy salvation.
8 I will hear what God the LORD will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.
9 Surely his salvation is nigh them that fear him; that glory may dwell in our land.



there are lots of scriptures we could put here but the main thing in my opinion...yes BIBLICAL doctrine is important and each one of us on this forum own a Bible and in it we find the words that lead to eternal life...

I am am Acts 2;38 preacher however that is not the whole Bible...like some seem to think....the Bible is full of advice and guidance.

[Sister Alvear]

Psalms 119:119 Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: therefore I love thy testimonies.
120 My flesh trembleth for fear of thee; and I am afraid of thy judgments.

Psalms 145:18 The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.
19 He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them.
20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

[Sister Alvear]

God is a God of balance...

Proverbs 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

[Sister Alvear]

Doctrine" is a "teaching," and the important teachings of the church are those relating to truth about God. I personally think doctrine helps us understand more about God.The New Testament is filled with doctrine.

"Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers" (1 Tim. 4:16) (PAUL)

[Sister Alvear]

“But even if we or an angel from heaven preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned” (Gal. 1:8,9).

[Sister Alvear]

Jesus prayed, “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (John 17:17).

[Sister Alvear]

WELL...MY PHONE KEEPS RINGING...SORRY... ANYWAY DOCTRINE IS IMPORTANT IT IS THE CORE OF THE FAITH WE UP HOLD.
paul wrote these words...
to serve as a good minister of Jesus Christ through the truths of the faith (1 Tim. 4:5).
to keep the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Jesus Christ (2 Tim. 1:13).
to preach the word, correct, rebuke, and encourage (2 Tim. 4:2).
to hold firmly to the trustworthy message and encourage others by sound doctrine (Titus 1:9).
to teach what is in accord with sound doctrine (Titus 2:1).
Doctrine is extremely important. Biblical love never minimizes the importance of Bible doctrine however Biblical love is Christ manifest...so we must be careful how we manifest Him to others.
Sometimes two people can often say the say thing one offends and drives the sinner off while the other tenderly draws the sinner to Christ.

[Sister Alvear]

John 7:16, Jesus said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me." Why would Jesus have said that if doctrine is not important?

"And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." I think we can rightfully say Biblical doctrine is very important...just make sure it is Biblical...and if it is your conviction let your people know....this or that is my conviction....

well...the phone is ringing again...

[pelathais]

Is having the right doctrine necessary for salvation?

Can you be a good moral person and a muslim or catholic and be saved?

Why did Christ commission the gospel to every creature if you can be saved without it?

If faith in Christ is all you need to be saved, then why does the bible say that the road is narrow that leads to salvation and there are few that find it?

Do you think that christians with correct doctrine will be judged at the judgement seat of christ and good, moral people saved at the white throne judgement?

thoughts that keep me up at night...

My understanding of the Gospel and salvation is that Jesus saves.

All those who will be saved are saved by Jesus Christ. In order to be saved, one MUST be saved by Jesus Christ. Concerning doctrine, I believe that one must have this "doctrine" in order to be saved (Hebrews 11:6, for example).

The "road is narrow" because sadly, there are relatively few who find out that it is Jesus Christ who saves. Even many of those who profess and do the "works" will be found to have been "unknown" to the Savior. To be saved, we need a Savior who can and will save us. That is all we need.

Concerning the various judgments and thrones of judgment, I confess that I don't have a complete revelation apart from the words of the Scriptures. Who goes where and when they are to go there... I can only offer theories and the speculations of learned men.

For me, I'm holding on to Jesus.

[Sister Alvear]

I think a lot of things are NOT salvation issues...especially the hundreds of "Revelations" about Revelations....

[Praxeas]

Is having the right doctrine necessary for salvation?

Can you be a good moral person and a muslim or catholic and be saved?

Why did Christ commission the gospel to every creature if you can be saved without it?

If faith in Christ is all you need to be saved, then why does the bible say that the road is narrow that leads to salvation and there are few that find it?

Do you think that christians with correct doctrine will be judged at the judgement seat of christ and good, moral people saved at the white throne judgement?

thoughts that keep me up at night...

Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness,
1Ti 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions,

[Michael The Disciple]

The Great Catching Away: Does Doctrine save?

More and more I am hearing,the truth is in Jesus and if we have him thats all we need. Well certainly Yeshua is the Way,the Truth,and the Life. But what does it mean to "have him"?How do we know we have THE REAL HIM?

People who think just because they SPEND TIME with Yeshua
they "have the truth"are in for a rude awakening! Yes the truth is in him but he wants to get the truth into you. It is not good enough to be around him if we dont RECEIVE the words he gives to save us.

When anyone heareth the word of the kingdom,AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,then cometh the wicked one,and CATCHETH
AWAY that which was sown in his heart. Be warned! There is a great catching away in process. Yeshua is letting us know about a spiritual process here.If we dont come to understanding of the truth satan comes AND CATCHES AWAY TRUTH OUT OF OUR HEART! Did you know he could do that? That is part of the spiritual warfare going on.

Those who say we can have Yeshua without having accurate knowledge of the truth are making the same mistake as the disciples in John 6:60. They reasoned he is here with us and we are following him. But he said to them,
It is the Spirit that quickeneth,the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU,THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE. John 6:63

In other words if they did not understand his words they were not really followers of him. When he was trying to reveal satan was trying to conceal!How EASY it makes satans job when people say,we have Yeshua but we dont have to understand his word.

Many are expecting to be part of the great catching away of the saints at the end of the age.But how many have already been part of the enemy's catching away already?A fearful thought?

If you continue in my word,THEN are ye my disciples indeed,And ye shall know the truth,and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32

Does Yeshua lead us to believe we shall be saved if we veer off of HIS doctrine?

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth and honoureth me with their lips,but their heart is FAR FROM ME.
But in VAIN they do worship me,teaching for doctrines THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. Matt.15:8-9

A nice sentimental confession of Christ will not suffice to save us! The doctrines of men are rampent today and one of the worst is you don't need doctrine at all. Notice what an apostle named Paul told his partner in ministry.

Take heed unto thyself,and UNTO THE DOCTRINE: continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both SAVE THYSELF AND THEM THAT HEAR THEE. 1 Tim. 4:16

So the idea that the body of Christ is made up by many different groups all believing different teachings fails utterly! The apostles doctrine saves because it connects one to the real Yeshua.

Must we all agree? Only if we want to be part of the New Testament church.

Now I beseech you brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,that ye ALL SPEAK THE SAME THING,and that there be no divisions among you,but that you be PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER in the same mind and in the same judgement.
1 Cor.1:10

It is NOT ESSENTIAL that we agree with each other.It IS
ESSENTIAL that we agree with Yeshua. When all who believe do that then we will all be in agreement with each other.

[pelathais]

The Great Catching Away: Does Doctrine save?

More and more I am hearing,the truth is in Jesus and if we have him thats all we need. Well certainly Yeshua is the Way,the Truth,and the Life. But what does it mean to "have him"?How do we know we have THE REAL HIM?

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I don't know if this was a response to my post about our need for a Savior, but if you are referring to what I said, you've got it backward.

Salvation is not to be found in our attempts to "have Him..." No. He must have us!

Salvation is not some mystery to be divined through intense emotional or intellectual calisthenics. We don't have to possess a great deal of knowledge nor do we need to try and then throw out a variety of false ideas (though many of us end up doing so anyway).

Salvation is being saved by Jesus Christ. Since there is only one Jesus Christ, we don't really need to be concerned about "being saved by the wrong 'Jesus.'

Many who attempt to go down the path that leads away from faith may end up finding themselves having to choose between a variety of "saviors" and even counterfeit "Christs." To get back on track they don't need to sort through a bunch of catalogs and mailings to "find the correct Jesus." They just need to call out in faith to the only Jesus there is. Acts 2:21.

[jfrog]

I don't know if this was a response to my post about our need for a Savior, but if you are referring to what I said, you've got it backward.

Salvation is not to be found in our attempts to "have Him..." No. He must have us!

Salvation is not some mystery to be divined through intense emotional or intellectual calisthenics. We don't have to possess a great deal of knowledge nor do we need to try and then throw out a variety of false ideas (though many of us end up doing so anyway).

Salvation is being saved by Jesus Christ. Since there is only one Jesus Christ, we don't really need to be concerned about "being saved by the wrong 'Jesus.'

Many who attempt to go down the path that leads away from faith may end up finding themselves having to choose between a variety of "saviors" and even counterfeit "Christs." To get back on track they don't need to sort through a bunch of catalogs and mailings to "find the correct Jesus." They just need to call out in faith to the only Jesus there is. Acts 2:21.

Thanks Pel.

[mfblume]

I've had many of the same questions and continue to do so.

I really believe that there are some doctrinal issues that are not salvific, but there are some that are. One thing that is for sure, NO ONE is saved by being a morally good person.


Faith is what is necessary for salvation, but the Bible mentions those who have not obeyed the Gospel. Paul takes the time to delineate a difference and we should too.

That obedience is the most consistent sign of faith unto salvation.

The life that is changed by the POWER of the Holy Ghost is the sure testimony of an individual's saving faith in Jesus Christ.

Amen!

[Scott Hutchinson]

The bible we are to earnestly contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints,now how can we do this if we don't understand the early church taught ?

If we are to be built upon The Apostles's doctrine or teaching,then it seems without correct foundational teachings,one would get abnormal Christianity.

[Michael The Disciple]

I don't know if this was a response to my post about our need for a Savior, but if you are referring to what I said, you've got it backward.

Salvation is not to be found in our attempts to "have Him..." No. He must have us!

Salvation is not some mystery to be divined through intense emotional or intellectual calisthenics. We don't have to possess a great deal of knowledge nor do we need to try and then throw out a variety of false ideas (though many of us end up doing so anyway).

Salvation is being saved by Jesus Christ. Since there is only one Jesus Christ, we don't really need to be concerned about "being saved by the wrong 'Jesus.'

Many who attempt to go down the path that leads away from faith may end up finding themselves having to choose between a variety of "saviors" and even counterfeit "Christs." To get back on track they don't need to sort through a bunch of catalogs and mailings to "find the correct Jesus." They just need to call out in faith to the only Jesus there is. Acts 2:21.

Hi Pel,

No my post was not to you as I had not even seen it.