Rapture Questions

[Sam]

Some here believe in what is called a "rapture" or the idea that at some time in the future, believers, living and/or dead, will be suddenly remove from this earth.

Some questions about the "rapture"

1. if a woman is pregnant at the rapture, will her unborn child go with her?

2. will children, under "the age of accountability" be included in the rapture?

3. will parents of small children be taken in the rapture and leave their children behind?

[missourimary]

I always thought all kids under the age of accountability would go.

A lot of the verses I've heard to teach rapture seem to mean something other than what I was taught. I'm not sure where I stand on end times anymore, other than what you said in the other thread, "When He comes, I go."

[Revelationist]

I always thought all kids under the age of accountability would go.

A lot of the verses I've heard to teach rapture seem to mean something other than what I was taught. I'm not sure where I stand on end times anymore, other than what you said in the other thread, "When He comes, I go."

Does that mean you can be saved without giving your life to Jesus. I've always heard of a age of acountability, but have never read anything about this doctrine in the Bible...

[UnTraditional]

Some here believe in what is called a "rapture" or the idea that at some time in the future, believers, living and/or dead, will be suddenly remove from this earth.

Some questions about the "rapture"

1. if a woman is pregnant at the rapture, will her unborn child go with her?

2. will children, under "the age of accountability" be included in the rapture?

3. will parents of small children be taken in the rapture and leave their children behind?

1. The child has yet to come and breach the womb. To me, this almost says that the child has yet to enter the world.
2. The age of accountability is in flux now. When does a child recognize their sin? At that point, they are accountable.
3. See the above answer.

[Revelationist]

I've looked for scripture to support the age of acountability for years... do you have any scripture to support that idea?

[UnTraditional]

Are you saying babies will go to Hell?

[shag]

Are you saying babies will go to Hell?


So when a 7 Or 8 yr old recognizes their sin, they are now accountable ...? Rev was simply asking for scripture supporting age of acciuntability, so do U know of any or not?

[UnTraditional]

I asked a full preterist if he believes a baby can go to Hell? Yes or no.

Do you? Can you answer such a question in public?

[Revelationist]

Are you saying babies will go to Hell?

I'm just saying I've never found any Biblical support for this idea... if it's there, I'd like to see it.

[Revelationist]

I asked a full preterist if he believes a baby can go to Hell? Yes or no.

Do you? Can you answer such a question in public?

I have to ask you first, if you mean the Biblical hell that Jesus went to when he died, which was the grave. Or the hell the Catholic Church teaches that they brought into Christianity as taught by Greek Mytholigy?

[berkeley]

What does fp have to do with the question? AND you can't, you just can't answer a question with a question.

[Austin]

The bible states," Jesus went into the holy place in heaven not made with hands, he atoned once and for all sin. He then went and sat down at the right hand of authority in heaven. This atonement is not properly understood my most. It is a one time thing for all sin. after this there is no more atonement for sin and this isn't something that Jesus does every day for everyone on a daily basis. This atonement stands always.It means the sins of the past ,present, and future have been atoned for. I would think that a small child or unborn would be judged by the lord under this covenant. Everyone else will be judged by their acceptance or rejection of this atonement. Jesus knows all things pertaining to the future of things I guess one must let Him decide. Sometimes we are not in a position to know all things, that's why theology has taken such a big step into christianity.

[Austin]

The bible teaches that the Lords knows his own. I believe that is even true before they come to know him. Jesus said" All that the Father has given me will come to me." He also said," No man comes to God unless He draws him." He said" You have not chose me but I have chosen you. The Bible teaches the names have been written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world. Some say your name can be taken out. it doesn't say that it says your part>> I think if God wrote their names by for knowledge then He doesn't make mistakes.

[Revelationist]

What does fp have to do with the question? AND you can't, you just can't answer a question with a question.

FP has nothing to do with the question, but in order to address the question he presented me with, I have to know which hell he's talking about.

[Revelationist]

I would think that a small child or unborn would be judged by the lord under this covenant.

But, the "I would think" is not backed by scripture... I personally believe that it's backed more on the parents. Whether they are saved or not... and I think that I could find some scripture to back that. (though somewhat shaky at that). But I'm not so sure about the children of the lost.

[kclee4jc]

I really don't know how to answer the question on children and the rapture...but there is a theory that makes sense to me. I have heard that if a child has not yet reached the 'age of accountability', that whether or not that child goes in the rapture will depend on the parent's stand with God. This makes sense. I also believe there will be those who are saved out of the tribulation, so missing the rapture does not guarantee damnation. Although, those who do miss the rapture will have to endure 3 1/2 years of the wrath of God. I can't honestly say that this is what i do or don't believe. It's something i have heard taught and it makes sense to me..

[Austin]

I have heard that about the parents sanctifying the children by their holiness and righteous, I heard that in the old time pentecostal movements. It would be something similar to the scripture which talks about the husband and wife and one of them who is sanctified also sanctifies the other.
But the scripture in Hebrews10:10 States mankind is sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Basically the new testament is salvation by faith in the blood of Christ. However not everyone shares that perspective some believe you have to do something to justify worthiness in the sight of God before you can be saved. and others don't believe in confessing you are saved as you walk through life, because they say your not saved until the end of your life if it is worthy. That is not walking by faith that is hope. If your a believer in the blood of Christ removing sins of all then the children have no sin in His presents. But if you are one who believes salvation is by works of righteoussness then your children may not make it. I think God is righteous and if he abolished the law of commandments that held us in condemnation all of our life then how will he judge all things? By faith without the works of the law. Jesus said to the decipiles when all the children were around him and they wanted to chase the children off. He said to leave them alone for of such is the kingdom of God( REFERING TO THE ONE IN HEAVEN) So I would think there are a lot of children around the throne of God!

[missourimary]

I've often heard the first part of Mt 24 in rapture discussions. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days. What does this verse mean?

What do verses like these mean?
Mt 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

There is nothing in the Bible specifically about an age of accountability. However, kids believe easily and strongly. They love deeply and purely. They repent quickly and completely. There will be many children in Heaven.

[houston]

FP has nothing to do with the question, but in order to address the question he presented me with, I have to know which hell he's talking about.

I think your views are out there, but that was a nice distraction, throwing in fp. It reminded me of the time I got into an altercation at the beach. The guy raised his fists to fight. When I raised mine he kicked sand into my face.

[BeenThinkin]

I think your views are out there, but that was a nice distraction, throwing in fp. It reminded me of the time I got into an altercation at the beach. The guy raised his fists to fight. When I raised mine he kicked sand into my face.

Oh Houston, we have a problem! If you raised your fist to fight you're probably not going to go in the rapture! j/k :happydance

Been Thinkin

[UnTraditional]

Distractions aside, Jerry, what is your view? Have to admit it though, did my first thread hijack, didn't I? :D

So Jerry, what are your views? Do babies go to Hell when they die?

[Revelationist]

John 11:26
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
KJV

First, the only life everlasting that's promised in the Bible is through Jesus Christ. But most Christians teach that your going to live forever anyways... with or without believing in Christ. In fact, I've always heard that man is born in the image of God. Body, soul and spirit, but I can't find it... without God, man has no spirit.

Second, the Greek mytholigy version of hell was brought into Christianity just to scare people into being in the Catholic church. Fear is a great weapon when it comes to getting people to do what you want. "The smell of sulphur was thick in the air"... words to a great message on hell, but have you ever noticed that all these great stories and added words are not mentioned in you Bible?

The word hell comes from three different greek words.. Sheol, hades and gehenna. Sheol was the place of the unseen (grave), hades was the grave, and gehenna was a garbage dump outside the city where garbage was destroyed. Jesus went to hell and set the captives free... was it the hell that the Catholic church teaches that comes from Greek Mytholigy? No... Jesus went to the grave.

Do children go to the grave without Jesus? Sure, we all go by way of the grave. Do they go to a burning hell? I don't believe in Greek Mytholigy...

[UnTraditional]

So, you do not believe in Hell? You believe in annihilationism, where the lost are simply gone without true judgment? You do not believe in the judgment spoken of in Revelation 20:10-15, where those who are not found in the Lamb's Book are cast into the Lake of Fire where they will spend all eternity, just as scripture said? JM, that is not Greek myth, but Bible fact.

Jesus spoke of the place where the worm dies not, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in several places. This is a description of the Lake of Fire as well. JM, how can you preach anything in scripture, and not preach the judgment of God and the righteousness of His wrath as well? Mercy and grace has no meaning if there is nothing He saves us from?

[Revelationist]

Dan 7:9-11

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
KJV

This same type language is used in Dan. to show the judgement of God coming against a nation.

He saves us from Sin. He's not a wife beater who says love me or I'll do this to you. God doesn't want a wife that only loves him because if she doesn't He'll punish her.

[UnTraditional]

Sorry brother, that is not biblical, and not Christian. To deny Hell is to deny both the holiness and justice of God. According to you, there is no judgment now against sin, we simply die. What kind of justice is that, that we can sin against a holy God, shun and break His commandments at will, and then just die when we have finished doing all the sin we want? The wages of sin is death, eternal separation from God in Hell.

Is your position based on your FP beliefs? If so, then this lies another problem. But regardless, when one denies the justice of God, one denies the realms of His grace in which we are saved both from the justice but also the wrath of God.

My goodness, I urge you to repent on this.

[Jimmyjay]

I always thought all kids under the age of accountability would go.

A lot of the verses I've heard to teach rapture seem to mean something other than what I was taught. I'm not sure where I stand on end times anymore, other than what you said in the other thread, "When He comes, I go."

1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holY:thumbsup

[Revelationist]

1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holY:thumbsup

And if there is no believing parent?

[Revelationist]

Sorry brother, that is not biblical, and not Christian. To deny Hell is to deny both the holiness and justice of God. According to you, there is no judgment now against sin, we simply die. What kind of justice is that, that we can sin against a holy God, shun and break His commandments at will, and then just die when we have finished doing all the sin we want? The wages of sin is death, eternal separation from God in Hell.

Is your position based on your FP beliefs? If so, then this lies another problem. But regardless, when one denies the justice of God, one denies the realms of His grace in which we are saved both from the justice but also the wrath of God.

My goodness, I urge you to repent on this.

Are you trying to say I can't be saved unless I believe in the hell of Greek Mytholigy?