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Hoovie
04-11-2011, 05:22 PM
Another member posted this video in the Onesie Twosie thread.

I did not know RA West (he passed in 2002) so I decided to check it out... the first thing on the video is

"...Buddy I'm here to tell you, If you'll reach out and get a hold of the tender nail-scarred hand of Jesus, and get the gospel in your life, you will never have to worry about a nervous breakdown or a heart attack, or a high blood pressure attack... "

Any Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJXu29LdOU&feature=player_embedded#at=78

NorCal
04-11-2011, 05:50 PM
wor·ry
to feel or experience concern or anxiety : fret <worrying about his health>

When you receive Jesus, you no longer have to worry, fret, or concern about this temporal body. For you know where your soul is going.

Bodily exercise profiteth little, but godliness is profitable unto all things.

I think the pill popping phrase is true. A lot of people have issues, because they live a life of sin that does cause health issues. Once you clean your life up, you only have minor fleshly issues to take care of, but the anxiety should no longer be there. Live by, "The LORD giveth and the LORD taketh away".

OneAccord
04-11-2011, 07:07 PM
Bro. West was a powerful preacher. But, like all powerful preachers, he would say things in the heat of the moment that, well, weren't altogether true. For example, the quote you mentioned. Even people who have "the gospel in their lives" suffer physical ailments. I sat just yesterday and wept while listening to a preacher that cand no longer read his own Bible because of blindness. Bro. West, while a good brother of whom I can speak no ill will, died in 2002 due to injuries he suffered in a motorcycle accident. Its true, "Man that is born of woman is few of days and full of trouble".

Hoovie
04-11-2011, 07:15 PM
NorCal I agree. Being in right standing with the Lord relieves much worry and stress. I also understand the lack of the same can prevent all manner of physical distress and ailment.

Is the absolute statement concerning high blood pressure and heartattack not concerning though?

Hoovie
04-11-2011, 07:21 PM
Further, it's easy to say we need not worry after conversion, but many many Christians do!

MissBrattified
04-11-2011, 07:22 PM
NorCal I agree. Being in right standing with the Lord relieves much worry and stress. I also understand the lack of the same can prevent all manner of physical distress and ailment.

Is the absolute statement concerning high blood pressure and heartattack not concerning though?

*Didn't watch it yet*, but...is he saying that you don't have worry about it? Or that you won't have any [illnesses]?

Monarchianism
04-11-2011, 08:27 PM
False. No need to watch it. That's like saying "you won't have panic-attacks." I have panic-attacks. I know an OP ( black man ) that use to have seizures. He was truly a Man of God. He told the Truth like it was. Months after He died, an OP ( white woman i.e. my aunt ) had a vision of Him In Heaven. She did not "see" Heaven, but only Him waving from the clouds. He did not die from having a seizure. He died in an lawn-mower accident. He fell off a bank onto blacktop. This was the day after He had preached extremely hard to New-comers. It was last year in August ( I think ). He stayed alive for two full weeks in a city hospital. His wife said that she was asking Him "Hon, what year is it?" And He kept replying somewhere in the 1900's ( The day He received the Holy Ghost ). That very same day in the Hospital, she said a black dove came to the window sill, walked a few paces and took off. Morning came and they found Him dead, after had done taken Him to another room.

( His wife use to be Methodist. Thanks to Him, the Truth was revealed to Her. )

ILG
04-11-2011, 08:35 PM
I worried a whole lot more after conversion than I ever did beforehand.

Truthseeker
04-11-2011, 08:50 PM
When you receive Jesus, you no longer have to worry, fret, or concern about this temporal body. For you know where your soul is going.

Bodily exercise profiteth little, but godliness is profitable unto all things.

I think the pill popping phrase is true. A lot of people have issues, because they live a life of sin that does cause health issues. Once you clean your life up, you only have minor fleshly issues to take care of, but the anxiety should no longer be there. Live by, "The LORD giveth and the LORD taketh away".

I think your right about popping pills. I think it becoming our american culture to quick fix things without wanting to look at issues in our lives. For us, we can't walk after the flesh the expect to overflowing with the joy of the Lord.

Somethings pills can't fix.

Truthseeker
04-11-2011, 08:51 PM
Further, it's easy to say we need not worry after conversion, but many many Christians do!

I think we should conisider what is cause of worry? what is it saying to God and others?

Hoovie
04-11-2011, 08:54 PM
*Didn't watch it yet*, but...is he saying that you don't have worry about it? Or that you won't have any [illnesses]?


I don't think so. I think many people wwould say he was trying to build faith.

Hoovie
04-11-2011, 08:58 PM
I think we should conisider what is cause of worry? what is it saying to God and others?

No doubt. I am just saying it is there - even in the life of Christians.

My wife was an RN in a stress unit for a couple years. It was apparent that many facing extreme stress and worry were very religious folks - including Pentecostals.

Monarchianism
04-11-2011, 08:59 PM
I don't think so. I think many people wwould say he was trying to build faith.

We are to exercise our Faith. I am a witness to the Testimony of an OP woman saying she was cured of her seizures, her cancer and more.
Two scans were done. One showed her cancer, the second did not. Never has she had a problem with it since.

( Btw, this was done in-prayer. She did not take anything. )

Truthseeker
04-11-2011, 09:01 PM
I think in general his statement is correct we shouldn't worry about blood pressure etc....

I know a pastor friends that was diaganosed with colon cancer rapidly lost alot of weight. he says he was laying on his couch thinkning about it, then told the Lord "if your done with me in this city then your done" got up went on with life without ever taking tx for it. God healed him instantly. weight returned and still eating grilled food. :)

I think worry just gives more power to a situation.

Truthseeker
04-11-2011, 09:01 PM
No doubt. I am just saying it is there - even in the life of Christians.

My wife was an RN in a stress unit for a couple years. It was apparent that many facing extreme stress and worry were very religious folks - including Pentecostals.

No doubt. Alot of pentecostal haven't learned they are saved yet.

FaithPreacher
04-11-2011, 09:02 PM
Dude gives me the creeps.

RandyWayne
04-11-2011, 09:42 PM
I think your right about popping pills. I think it becoming our american culture to quick fix things without wanting to look at issues in our lives. For us, we can't walk after the flesh the expect to overflowing with the joy of the Lord.

Somethings pills can't fix.

It is pollen season here in Mesa. I thank God he allowed someone to invent Alegra and Afrin!

I too am inclined to believe the context of the message is not that you won't ever have a heart attack, but that you don't have to worry IF you have one. All things work together for Good!

Digging4Truth
04-12-2011, 06:57 AM
This thread makes me think of The Revival Hymn (It's on youtube if you haven't seen it)

Part of the "hymn" (it's not a hymn... it's 30 minutes of preaching excerpts) talks about how the church has become a conduit of secular humanism. It's about me. It's about what God can do for me.

Can he make my life better
Will he make me happier
Will he make me healthier
Will he get me better stuff.

Me.
Me.
Me.

And that's what people use to try and reach people. Fearful tactics of what terrible things will happen to ME and tactics telling what wonderful things will happen to ME.

OnTheFritz
04-12-2011, 09:43 AM
As with most things, there are general truths and exceptions. I believe that a chemical imbalance can cause anxiety, but I also believe that pills are over-prescribed. That may even be true in my case.

I used to feel edgy and worried for absolutely no reason. I have a family history of anxiety/depression and resulting alcoholism. I don't attribute all of that to chemisty, but I'll admit that a very low dose of an SSRI has made my life much better. I used to obsess over EXTREMELY minor things, and now I don't. Could I manage it another way? Maybe. Am I ok with the way I'm doing it? Yes. Do I think it is a shortcut or changing who I really am. No.