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TGBTG
04-14-2011, 02:08 PM
Eph 1:13-14
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

How does the above verse factor into OSAS and OSNAS? In other words, can someone who has been sealed by God become unsealed?

Opinions/thoughts/answers...
TGBTG
04-14-2011, 04:01 PM
bump
houston
04-14-2011, 04:20 PM
osnas?
NorCal
04-14-2011, 04:23 PM
What God gives, let no MAN take away. God does not unseal, mans actions do.
TGBTG
04-14-2011, 04:30 PM
osnas?

Once Saved Not Always Saved
TGBTG
04-14-2011, 04:30 PM
What God gives, let no MAN take away. God does not unseal, mans actions do.

Thanks. If you could provide some scriptures too, that'd be helpful...
mfblume
04-14-2011, 04:57 PM
The SEAL of the Holy Ghost is simply an authentication. It has nothing to do with "unsealing" as though something can be undone. A seal in this instance is a validation, and nothing more. So it is apples and oranges to whether or not someone can lose salvation. Losing salvation or not does not enter into this picture.
TGBTG
04-14-2011, 05:48 PM
The SEAL of the Holy Ghost is simply an authentication. It has nothing to do with "unsealing" as though something can be undone. A seal in this instance is a validation, and nothing more. So it is apples and oranges to whether or not someone can lose salvation. Losing salvation or not does not enter into this picture.

ok thanks
Sam
04-14-2011, 08:55 PM
The SEAL of the Holy Ghost is simply an authentication. It has nothing to do with "unsealing" as though something can be undone. A seal in this instance is a validation, and nothing more. So it is apples and oranges to whether or not someone can lose salvation. Losing salvation or not does not enter into this picture.

sealing can also designate ownership and can designate preservation.

not getting into the eternal security question here,
I have problems with both sides of that issue.
mfblume
04-14-2011, 09:18 PM
sealing can also designate ownership and can designate preservation.

not getting into the eternal security question here,
I have problems with both sides of that issue.

But in the context of the passage in question, I believe authentication is the issue.
LUKE2447
04-15-2011, 06:53 AM
But in the context of the passage in question, I believe authentication is the issue.

I agree and it is simply identification. The Spirit bears witness if we are his children.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs (namely, heirs of God and also fellow heirs with Christ)22 — if indeed we suffer with him so we may also be glorified with him.

to suffer is to obtain or to gain something which in thetext is glorification which is eternal life.


What is to suffer? To do the Father's will as Jesus did against a world and flesh that will hate us.