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MrJob62
05-15-2011, 01:42 PM
Osama has won. Put away the fireworks and the apple pie and Chevrolet because America is no more. Before 911 We were a different country. Though Reaganomics has been eroding our society the attacks on 911 pushed us over the edge. For Osama to win he didn't have to wipe the US off the map he just had to stop America from being America. We now have unwarranted wire taps, pat downs and body searches at airports (even for our kids). Neighbors no longer trust each other especially if one of them is brown. They sneak the coffins of our soldiers in at night and we only see animated images of smart bombs going down a chimney so that we don't see the real cost of war. We are told our elections are fair but private companies count the votes and the Supreme Court has the final say not the people. Now in America the accused can be held indefinitely without being charged. A trial by one's peers and the rule of law once hallmarks of a great nation are regularly suspended if not denied out right. With 85% of Americans claiming to be Christian the actions of America now paint Christianity to be the religion of the conquering consumers. In America now the things that are said about the Muslims and Mexicans are the same things that Nazis said about Jews and Romans said about Christians. Yes Osama has won and he showed he was right when we cowardly went in a killed an unarmed man without a trial.

The America of dreams is no more but remember that all men will know that you are the disciples of Christ if you have love one for another. Protect your citizenship in the one kingdom that pledges its allegiance to you.

sandie
05-15-2011, 01:51 PM
Good grief.
Didn't get much attention today?

canam
05-15-2011, 02:40 PM
unbelievable !

Jermyn Davidson
05-15-2011, 02:41 PM
Osama has won. Put away the fireworks and the apple pie and Chevrolet because America is no more. Before 911 We were a different country. Though Reaganomics has been eroding our society the attacks on 911 pushed us over the edge. For Osama to win he didn't have to wipe the US off the map he just had to stop America from being America. We now have unwarranted wire taps, pat downs and body searches at airports (even for our kids). Neighbors no longer trust each other especially if one of them is brown. They sneak the coffins of our soldiers in at night and we only see animated images of smart bombs going down a chimney so that we don't see the real cost of war. We are told our elections are fair but private companies count the votes and the Supreme Court has the final say not the people. Now in America the accused can be held indefinitely without being charged. A trial by one's peers and the rule of law once hallmarks of a great nation are regularly suspended if not denied out right. With 85% of Americans claiming to be Christian the actions of America now paint Christianity to be the religion of the conquering consumers. In America now the things that are said about the Muslims and Mexicans are the same things that Nazis said about Jews and Romans said about Christians. Yes Osama has won and he showed he was right when we cowardly went in a killed an unarmed man without a trial.

The America of dreams is no more but remember that all men will know that you are the disciples of Christ if you have love one for another. Protect your citizenship in the one kingdom that pledges its allegiance to you.



While I take issue with the general premise of your post as a whole, the bolded is one ting bin laden did accomplish.

sandie
05-15-2011, 02:42 PM
unbelievable !

Bashes the country and the faith of Christians all in one fell swoop.

Very sad and hypocritical at the same time.

Jermyn Davidson
05-15-2011, 02:45 PM
Bashes the country and the faith of Christians all in one fell swoop.

Very sad and hypocritical at the same time.

Nope and nope.

sandie
05-15-2011, 02:48 PM
Nope and nope.

He didn't bash the US or the Christian faith?
He's laying down some very, very serious charges against this nation and those who are Christians.

We can read.

Jermyn Davidson
05-15-2011, 03:00 PM
He didn't bash the US or the Christian faith?
He's laying down some very, very serious charges against this nation and those who are Christians.

We can read.

He's not bashing the U.S. as much as he is lamenting the changes our country has gone through.

Our country has changed-- 9/11 was the catalyst for the abolishing of some of our freedom and liberty.

It is attributed to Ben Franklin that the person who is willing to sacrifice freedom for security is not worthy of freedom or security. This poster probably agrees with that sentiment.

I do too.



That poster did not bash the Christian faith.

The argument could be made that much of American Christianity is foreign to most of our other Christian brothers and sisters who pray for us from afar.

sandie
05-15-2011, 03:11 PM
I have no idea who's posts you're reading JD?
But, it's obvious and plain as day this man is bashing America and the Christian faith.

I can repeat his words if you like...

He even accuses America of being racist. Good grief, maybe you should re-read his post.

Jermyn Davidson
05-15-2011, 03:18 PM
I have no idea who's posts you're reading JD?
But, it's obvious and plain as day this man is bashing America and the Christian faith.

I can repeat his words if you like...

He even accuses America of being racist. Good grief, maybe you should re-read his post.

I read and re-read his post before responding to your criticisms.


There is racism in America still-- but I have heard from more than a couple of sources that the Arab Muslim is America's new {n-word}.

As far as misplaced anger at Mexicans (as if most illegal immigrants are Mexican), if that's not racism, well I guess there is a strong argument that irrational racial prejudice still doesn't constitute racism.

Either way, Mexicans do bear brunt of that stereotype here in America, despite that the facts paint a different picture.

sandie
05-15-2011, 03:24 PM
I read and re-read his post before responding to your criticisms.


There is racism in America still-- but I have heard from more than a couple of sources that the Arab Muslim is America's new {n-word}.

As far as misplaced anger at Mexicans (as if most illegal immigrants are Mexican), if that's not racism, well I guess there is a strong argument that irrational racial prejudice still doesn't constitute racism.

Either way, Mexicans do bear brunt of that stereotype here in America, despite that the facts paint a different picture.

I'm not saying America is pure as the driven snow, or that she doesn't have faults and always will.
However, on whole, this country is like no other, where everyone has the freedom to worship God and though some have had more hurdles to jump over, all are given an opportunity to succeed.
She's far better then she is worse.
And it pains me to see her bashed without any balance in the process.

Thanks for your prayers, JD. :)

Praxeas
05-15-2011, 03:25 PM
What did Reaganomics do?

sandie
05-15-2011, 03:26 PM
What did Reaganomics do?

Apparently there isn't one single good thing about America.

I'm interested in the answer.

Praxeas
05-15-2011, 03:27 PM
Im interested in facts not assertions

Baron1710
05-15-2011, 03:54 PM
Osama has won. Put away the fireworks and the apple pie and Chevrolet because America is no more. Before 911 We were a different country. Though Reaganomics has been eroding our society the attacks on 911 pushed us over the edge. For Osama to win he didn't have to wipe the US off the map he just had to stop America from being America. We now have unwarranted wire taps, pat downs and body searches at airports (even for our kids). Neighbors no longer trust each other especially if one of them is brown. They sneak the coffins of our soldiers in at night and we only see animated images of smart bombs going down a chimney so that we don't see the real cost of war. We are told our elections are fair but private companies count the votes and the Supreme Court has the final say not the people. Now in America the accused can be held indefinitely without being charged. A trial by one's peers and the rule of law once hallmarks of a great nation are regularly suspended if not denied out right. With 85% of Americans claiming to be Christian the actions of America now paint Christianity to be the religion of the conquering consumers. In America now the things that are said about the Muslims and Mexicans are the same things that Nazis said about Jews and Romans said about Christians. Yes Osama has won and he showed he was right when we cowardly went in a killed an unarmed man without a trial.

The America of dreams is no more but remember that all men will know that you are the disciples of Christ if you have love one for another. Protect your citizenship in the one kingdom that pledges its allegiance to you.

Hey, Michael Moore where ya been man?

Cowardly killed an unarmed man...the same one that killed thousands and then bragged about it? The same one that declared war on America and then got his head busted by military he was always afraid to fight. He was never afraid to send others to kill innocent people while he hid. Is that the unarmed coward we are speaking of...

Cindy
05-15-2011, 04:12 PM
Hey, Michael Moore where ya been man?

Cowardly killed an unarmed man...the same one that killed thousands and then bragged about it? The same one that declared war on America and then got his head busted by military he was always afraid to fight. He was never afraid to send others to kill innocent people while he hid. Is that the unarmed coward we are speaking of...

:thumbsup

sandie
05-15-2011, 04:21 PM
I just wish the US military (or anyone else) would have been given the chance to do what they finally were able to...BEFORE 9/11.
Just think of all those people on 9/11, and yes...Muslims too, that would still be here to think, love, hate, worship, fail, succeed....


I get the feeling Moore...er...MrJob is sitting back having a good old laugh at our expense.

MrJob62
05-15-2011, 05:27 PM
Sandie: During the Reagen presidency the US went from being the worlds largest creditor nation to becoming largest debtor nation. The NAFTA agreement was written by the first Bush Administration and passed by Clinton. Clinton got oodles of campaign dollars from corporations itching to use cheap labor south of the border because he promised to sign the agreement. Under the second Bush administration 49,000 factories in the US closed and took those jobs out of the country. In the US real wages haven't gone up in over 30 years.

For much of the last century Americans fought, sometimes in the streets for fair wages, safe working conditions and environmental protection. Often the rivers is this country would catch on fire and burn from the pollution in them. Through all this the middle class was born. We take a middle class for granted but a large middle class like the US has is an anomaly in history. Every concession made by the Corporate elites was a hard fought battle. The 40 hour week, overtime pay, even child labor laws required hard work and persistence to achieve. With the election of Ronald Reagen corporate America had its champion and the middle class has been under assault ever since.

Under the 14th Amendment corporations have the same rights a people (virtual people) if you will and they have all the rights of regular citizens. Since last year's Supreme Court decision they have the freedom to contribute as much money as they need to influence elections to their favor. Since these newly created "people" have no conscience to convict and no body to incarcerate they will do what ever it takes to maximize profit at any cost. Living wages, environmental regulations and social programs are seen as obstacles to profit. Corporations have learned that it is cheaper to buy politicians than it is to comply with the regulations. When the people won't hear of it then comes the "free" Trade agreements and globalism is born. Now the whole world is in a race to zero on the pay scale. Predatory capitalism has a insatiable hunger for ever cheaper labor and natural resources. It's like the forth beast that is different from the rest but it could devour everything.

MrJob62
05-15-2011, 05:34 PM
I do like Micheal Moore. have any of you all seen any of his movies. The Movie Sicko is a great eye opening movie but lots of it are sad. There are a lot of people that won't even watch his movies because FOX new and talk radio have attacked him so much. Even people at church are judging him with out ever hearing what he has to say.

MrJob62
05-15-2011, 05:42 PM
I just wish the US military (or anyone else) would have been given the chance to do what they finally were able to...BEFORE 9/11.
Just think of all those people on 9/11, and yes...Muslims too, that would still be here to think, love, hate, worship, fail, succeed....


I get the feeling Moore...er...MrJob is sitting back having a good old laugh at our expense.

Before 9/11 we were funding Bin Laden to kill Soviets. Frankenstein turned on his creator. It is a live by the sword thing.

No I wasn't laughing. I did smile a few times though. I was thinking about what to write but I didn't sign off. Sorry bout that.

Walks_in_islam
05-15-2011, 05:45 PM
Add the billions of dollars of funding to the afghans to fight the russians and the billions of dollars of funding to the iraqis to fight the iranians and you have to be numb to not see what reagan left us to deal with.

I just love this 1983 pic of rumsfield with his buddy hussein. MAYBE rumsfield should have swung on a rope beside his buddy. Instead what? He's off scot-free.

You know how many people were killed because of this handshake? Hundreds of thousands gone, disappeared. You should not be lamenting over what the military was "not allowed" to do. You should be lamenting over what they WERE allowed to do. Bleh

Seascapes
05-15-2011, 06:02 PM
Add the billions of dollars of funding to the afghans to fight the russians and the billions of dollars of funding to the iraqis to fight the iranians and you have to be numb to not see what reagan left us to deal with.

I just love this 1983 pic of rumsfield with his buddy hussein. MAYBE rumsfield should have swung on a rope beside his buddy. Instead what? He's off scot-free.

You know how many people were killed because of this handshake? Hundreds of thousands gone, disappeared. You should not be lamenting over what the military was "not allowed" to do. You should be lamenting over what they WERE allowed to do. Bleh

I saw a documentary called Fahrenheit 9/11, and Bush was shaking hands with Osama bin Laden. Seeing pictures like that does make you wonder about our government.

Praxeas
05-15-2011, 06:03 PM
America funded a war against Communist Cold war enemy Russia and a war against another enemy, Iran. That's not :"Reaganomics" nor was funding for Star Wars

Walks_in_islam
05-15-2011, 06:31 PM
As long as "funded a war" is defined as shipping arms to afghanistan and arms/insecticide precursers to iraq you are correct.

Those actions were adders to the discussion on reaganomics.

At the end of the day and on an outcome basis we are not better off. The trickle down economic plan for current votors to defer the operating costs of our country to future votors was great in the short term but is killing us in the long term.

As stated before:

1. Our country did not become great by settling the west for a few months then flipping the property for profit.
2. Our industries were not built by traders who bought oil and commodity contracts then flipped them a few months later for profits.
3. The value of our country was not created by trading firms that artificially manipulated individual stocks then flipped them a few months later for profits.

Thats what reagan left us with. A short-term quick profit america - all funded by future taxpayers. Can you say "flip that house?" Love that show LOL

We have enemies we need to deal with them ourselves. Before Reagan, that's what we did. Now we transfer weapons and money to pay future enemies to deal with current enemies.

Actually paying future enemies to deal with current enemies is a lot like having future taxpayers foot the bill for current costs. An emerging pattern? LOL


America funded a war against Communist Cold war enemy Russia and a war against another enemy, Iran. That's not :"Reaganomics" nor was funding for Star Wars

canam
05-15-2011, 06:54 PM
I do like Micheal Moore. have any of you all seen any of his movies. The Movie Sicko is a great eye opening movie but lots of it are sad. There are a lot of people that won't even watch his movies because FOX new and talk radio have attacked him so much. Even people at church are judging him with out ever hearing what he has to say.

I always figured the movie sicko was about moores eating habits,who is he to talk about healthcare?

sandie
05-15-2011, 06:58 PM
I always figured the movie sicko was about moores eating habits,who is he to talk about healthcare?

I missed old Mr.Job's last post....me thinks we're being duped. Someone's having a good laugh. :foottap

sandie
05-15-2011, 07:07 PM
I saw a documentary called Fahrenheit 9/11, and Bush was shaking hands with Osama bin Laden. Seeing pictures like that does make you wonder about our government.

Oh brother...there isn't anything you wont fall for if it comes from the left.
That movie was debunked years ago.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5613757524554114657#

Cindy
05-15-2011, 07:10 PM
What did he win?

Walks_in_islam
05-15-2011, 07:18 PM
I somehow dont think you'll be debunking the rumsfield/hussein friendship (laughing)


Oh brother...there isn't anything you wont fall for if it comes from the left.
That movie was debunked years ago.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5613757524554114657#

acerrak
05-15-2011, 07:26 PM
The America of dreams is no more but remember that all men will know that you are the disciples of Christ if you have love one for another. Protect your citizenship in the one kingdom that pledges its allegiance to you.

i just winder if you have ever been outside the united states.. cause if not you really dont know how truely blessed you are.

seriously, even the poor here is considered rich to those in other countries.
in this country a man can beg and get enough to feed himself for a day. or fins placed that will give him temp shelter and food.


some countries the poor have no one to beg, no clothes to ware.


this country is still hugely blessed, and its blessed cause the christians in it keep praying for it.

Osama won? seriously

Walks_in_islam
05-15-2011, 07:43 PM
I just "winder" if you have. If you have, you will have noted that though poor - people in other countries still have what we have lost. Self-sufficiency. We need to buckle up and regain that and fast.

If you borrow a bunch of money having that money don't make you richer. It just makes you a debtor. Being a debtor is worse than being poor.

i just winder if you have ever been outside the united states.. cause if not you really dont know how truely blessed you are.

seriously, even the poor here is considered rich to those in other countries.
in this country a man can beg and get enough to feed himself for a day. or fins placed that will give him temp shelter and food.


some countries the poor have no one to beg, no clothes to ware.


this country is still hugely blessed, and its blessed cause the christians in it keep praying for it.

Osama won? seriously

MrJob62
05-15-2011, 08:18 PM
acerrak: I have been out of the country and I know how blessed we are but I also know that to whom much is given much will be required. I have been to Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Honduras, Spain, Germany and Beirut Lebanon after the bombing in 83. I lost a very close friend when the BLT Headquarters was destroyed by the truck bomb. I arrived the next day.

acerrak
05-15-2011, 08:29 PM
I just "winder" if you have. If you have, you will have noted that though poor - people in other countries still have what we have lost. Self-sufficiency. We need to buckle up and regain that and fast.

If you borrow a bunch of money having that money don't make you richer. It just makes you a debtor. Being a debtor is worse than being poor.

lol what they have??? are you serious? please... they will through there daughters at you hoping you will take them back to america, or rent them out for prostitution.

or maybe the ones so broke and starved there stomachs are swollen and they have no clothes to ware,... None..

i havent even scratched the top

acerrak
05-15-2011, 08:38 PM
acerrak: I have been out of the country and I know how blessed we are but I also know that to whom much is given much will be required. I have been to Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Honduras, Spain, Germany and Beirut Lebanon after the bombing in 83. I lost a very close friend when the BLT Headquarters was destroyed by the truck bomb. I arrived the next day.

those are pretty nice places except for lebanon

ive been to mexico, thailand, south korea, singapore, japan, fiji and a few other places

Walks_in_islam
05-15-2011, 09:22 PM
Yeah I am serious. Noticed your spelling. US public schools? Must be.

I dont live in the US chief and have no need to hear from you what is or is not overseas LOL. I'm not a tourist.

lol what they have??? are you serious? please... they will through there daughters at you hoping you will take them back to america, or rent them out for prostitution.

or maybe the ones so broke and starved there stomachs are swollen and they have no clothmes to ware,... None..

i havent even scratched the top

GISG
05-15-2011, 09:37 PM
I somehow dont think you'll be debunking the rumsfield/hussein friendship (laughing)

There was no "friendship" to debunk.
I'm glad you weren't around when Pres. Roosevelt was making nice with Stalan so we could collectively beat the nazis. :smack

Sam
05-15-2011, 10:17 PM
It is my opinion that Barack Obama wants this country to become a third rate socialist nation like Greece or Spain.

GISG
05-15-2011, 10:32 PM
It is my opinion that Barack Obama wants this country to become a third rate socialist nation like Greece or Spain.

Well, chances are that will be the outcome with all his "spread the wealth" policies.

acerrak
05-15-2011, 11:01 PM
Yeah I am serious. Noticed your spelling. US public schools? Must be.

I dont live in the US chief and have no need to hear from you what is or is not overseas LOL. I'm not a tourist.

i really dont care if i mispell or if i dont use proper punctiation on forums, and if it bothers you, your more than welcome to spell check it. My mind moves faster than my fingers

and i really dont care what country your in either, i dont! i have seen the stuff with my own eyes. If you want to be blind with it then by all means carry on for attention.

Lol atleast you got electricity, some places dont have that

but your not gonna get a backing on these forums.

I lived outside the continental us for over 2 years, and around 9 months of place hopping. so yea i can sit here and talk to you about it.

MrJob62
05-16-2011, 02:45 AM
Sorry I have sown discord among you all. This is obviously a subject I should not have introduced.

UnTraditional
05-16-2011, 04:27 AM
"God is taking His hands off of America. We've had so much light and we've rejected it."

"The early church was married to poverty, prisons and persecutions. Today, the church is married to prosperity, personality, and popularity."

These are two quotes by Leonard Ravenhill which set a lot off in my mind. America is still the greatest nation on the earth, but we have allowed our prosperity to blind us at one time, and now we have allowed fear to do the same. The only means we have of restoration of this country is that of spiritual revival where repentance is preached and souls are saved. Until the heart becomes right, the nation will not be right.

Walks_in_islam
05-16-2011, 07:22 AM
At least we arent making fresh new mistakes are we. Just repeating the same ones over and over

There was no "friendship" to debunk.
I'm glad you weren't around when Pres. Roosevelt was making nice with Stalan so we could collectively beat the nazis. :smack

Walks_in_islam
05-16-2011, 07:33 AM
Nothing special chief. Just a comment. Dont take it so personal. My point is that poor but self-sufficient is better than being a debtor and living off of borrowed money. You dont agree, declare it. Me? That's what I think.

Didnt offer you any information. Didnt think you cared. I was being perceptive in that regard LOL. Nailed that one.

I have seen the same stuff. Spent a lot of time in Indonesia. Lot of poor people there but good strong families and family values. SO: I prefer there to being around the high minded likes of you. Nothing personal LOL but it is unnecessary to speak of people the way you speak of them. Glad we wont get along.

they will through there daughters at you hoping you will take them back to america, or rent them out for prostitution.

or maybe the ones so broke and starved there stomachs are swollen and they have no clothmes to ware,... None..

Want to see attention grabbing - get a mirror sport. Your mind moves faster than your fingers but your mouth moves faster than your mind. Work that out.


i really dont care if i mispell or if i dont use proper punctiation on forums, and if it bothers you, your more than welcome to spell check it. My mind moves faster than my fingers

and i really dont care what country your in either, i dont! i have seen the stuff with my own eyes. If you want to be blind with it then by all means carry on for attention.

Lol atleast you got electricity, some places dont have that

but your not gonna get a backing on these forums.

I lived outside the continental us for over 2 years, and around 9 months of place hopping. so yea i can sit here and talk to you about it.

acerrak
05-16-2011, 07:50 AM
Nothing special chief. Just a comment. Dont take it so personal. My point is that poor but self-sufficient is better than being a debtor and living off of borrowed money. You dont agree, declare it. Me? That's what I think.

Didnt offer you any information. Didnt think you cared. I was being perceptive in that regard LOL. Nailed that one.

I have seen the same stuff. Spent a lot of time in Indonesia. Lot of poor people there but good strong families and family values. SO: I prefer there to being around the high minded likes of you. Nothing personal LOL but it is unnecessary to speak of people the way you speak of them. Glad we wont get along.

they will through there daughters at you hoping you will take them back to america, or rent them out for prostitution.

or maybe the ones so broke and starved there stomachs are swollen and they have no clothmes to ware,... None..

Want to see attention grabbing - get a mirror sport. Your mind moves faster than your fingers but your mouth moves faster than your mind. Work that out.

i know im blessed, and i didnt say i was high minded, but really i dont have nothing to proove to you. i also am not in a contest of who has done what,

obvious your now taking personal shots. talking about my mouth and stuff, thats good. it really shows the type of person you are. so continue to let that authentic character of yours shine through. jesus said you will know them by there fruits.

GISG
05-16-2011, 08:26 AM
At least we arent making fresh new mistakes are we. Just repeating the same ones over and over

So, for you it's better to have let the nazis go about their murdereous business, Saddam with his rape rooms, etc., rather then join forces to eliminate their threats and put an end to such evil?

Walks_in_islam
05-16-2011, 07:18 PM
For me its better to fight our own battles which is what I said earlier. For you it appears your brain moves faster than you can read - as well as your mouth moving faster than your brain and your brain moving faster than your hands.

We WERE the biggest supporters of Saddam so the two comparisons below have nothing to do with one another.

At the same time we WERE shipping arms to Iran.

So you wanna tell me how that messed up situation is somehow good or was in our interests? (unlike WWII). Reagan was no Roosevelt LOL


So, for you it's better to have let the nazis go about their murdereous business, Saddam with his rape rooms, etc., rather then join forces to eliminate their threats and put an end to such evil?

acerrak
05-16-2011, 07:51 PM
For me its better to fight our own battles which is what I said earlier. For you it appears your brain moves faster than you can read - as well as your mouth moving faster than your brain and your brain moving faster than your hands.

We WERE the biggest supporters of Saddam so the two comparisons below have nothing to do with one another.

At the same time we WERE shipping arms to Iran.

So you wanna tell me how that messed up situation is somehow good or was in our interests? (unlike WWII). Reagan was no Roosevelt LOL

i think you need to stop with personal insults,

and it doesnt matter what the government does, at the end of the day its not concerned about your religion or mine, its concern is this country.

and america has enemies, and those enemies have enemies, so the idea is you supply one to attack the other, its like trying to get 2 birds with one stone.

and foreign leaders was scared of a actor who was elected president. Named ronald reagan

Walks_in_islam
05-16-2011, 08:06 PM
Those are not insults. Those are innocent observations. I am concerned with the present and I am concerned with our country. Current leaders are scared of the foreign leaders that Reagan shipped arms to. Foreign leaders that Reagan shipped arms to turned on us, kicked off (2) wars, and attacked us. The third has yet to be addressed but it will I am afraid that one will be the worst one.

In addition Reagan left us with the largest debt ever accumulated by anyone anywhere in the history of the world so he did it on borrowed money. Since we cannot fund the actions it takes to reverse his actions, both are addressed on borrowed money.

Defend these actions in your own mind but not to me. Do not make the mistake of linking them to WWII which WAS in our best interests and in the best interest of the world.

i think you need to stop with personal insults,

and it doesnt matter what the government does, at the end of the day its not concerned about your religion or mine, its concern is this country.

and america has enemies, and those enemies have enemies, so the idea is you supply one to attack the other, its like trying to get 2 birds with one stone.

and foreign leaders was scared of a actor who was elected president. Named ronald reagan

GISG
05-16-2011, 08:10 PM
No, those are insults, WII. At least be honest about it. I don't mind, I can take it....:)

If you're going to trace things back thru presidents, please don't leave out Carter. Much if not all lays at his guilty feet.

Walks_in_islam
05-16-2011, 08:17 PM
<grin> Honest but innocent observations.

(laughing) Carter? He didnt do a thing. Thats why he is recorded in all of history as the weakest weasel ever elected to the US presidency. If you do nothing can you be blamed for anything? (laughing)

NOTE: Weak weasel not intended to be an insult. Innocent observation.


No, those are insults, WII. At least be honest about it. I don't mind, I can take it....:)

If you're going to trace things back thru presidents, please don't leave out Carter. Much if not all lays at his guilty feet.

acerrak
05-16-2011, 08:22 PM
<grin> Honest but innocent observations.

(laughing) Carter? He didnt do a thing. Thats why he is recorded in all of history as the weakest weasel ever elected to the US presidency. If you do nothing can you be blamed for anything? (laughing)

NOTE: Weak weasel not intended to be an insult. Innocent observation.

no they were not innocent observations . were not dumb.

and if you think you can do a better job than those presidents, then i ask you to make your mark and run for the presidency to clean this country up.

Walks_in_islam
05-16-2011, 08:34 PM
(laughing) I dont live there. Thanks for the nomination.

If I thought it could be cleaned up I would still live there. GOTO above about not living there. Last action before leaving: Going down and getting a TWIC card with fingerprint biometrics just so I could go to work and continue doing what I always did for the previous 17 years.

That's not America and not American. When working Americans have to carry biometric cards with their stored fingerprints issued by their government (and pay $75 for them) just to go to work, Osama won.

no they were not innocent observations . were not dumb.

and if you think you can do a better job than those presidents, then i ask you to make your mark and run for the presidency to clean this country up.

acerrak
05-16-2011, 09:15 PM
(laughing) I dont live there. Thanks for the nomination.

If I thought it could be cleaned up I would still live there. GOTO above about not living there. Last action before leaving: Going down and getting a TWIC card with fingerprint biometrics just so I could go to work and continue doing what I always did for the previous 17 years.

That's not America and not American. When working Americans have to carry biometric cards with their stored fingerprints issued by their government (and pay $75 for them) just to go to work, Osama won.

i dont know what your talking about... biometric card for 75$ lol thats just funny...:laffatu
well im glad you moved out, we didnt want you anyway. your better suited were your at now. :highfive

get your little osama is number one picket sign, take to the streets, and go celebrate that jihad..... yea man ... Good times:thwak

GISG
05-16-2011, 10:33 PM
<grin> Honest but innocent observations.

(laughing) Carter? He didnt do a thing. Thats why he is recorded in all of history as the weakest weasel ever elected to the US presidency. If you do nothing can you be blamed for anything? (laughing)

NOTE: Weak weasel not intended to be an insult. Innocent observation.

See now....you went and destroyed all your credibility and the respect I had for you, though I disagree with your points on this thread.

When you just can't say you chose to insult and move on, it only makes you look silly. Oh well, you're the one who has to live with yourself.

On to Carter...you can't be serious! Carter made a mess out of the middle east. Presidents of the United States aren't harmless and/or weak just by nature of their position in the world. Good grief, my grandkids know that much.

Perhaps your religious beliefs interfers with your ability to be objective?
But, Carter made sure an ally of America was outsted and in return Iran went to heck in a hand basket with the murderous Ayatollah Khomeini at the head, 20,000 shot dead at his direction and the infamous American hostage crisis and today we're left with a regime that is led by some of the most dangerous men in the world.

But, you go on thinking Carter didn't do a thing. I'd (laugh), but it's entirely too serious a matter.

Praxeas
05-16-2011, 11:03 PM
<grin> Honest but innocent observations.

(laughing) Carter? He didnt do a thing. Thats why he is recorded in all of history as the weakest weasel ever elected to the US presidency. If you do nothing can you be blamed for anything? (laughing)

NOTE: Weak weasel not intended to be an insult. Innocent observation.
Im sure weasels everywhere thank you :icecream

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 07:31 AM
(laughing) credibility lost is much, much harder to earn back.

Have to tell you that you are right. US presidents are neither harmless nor weak. HOWEVER, the Brezhnev kiss after the START treaty branded him, in my mind, forever. Not just because of START but a kiss?

Everything else is secondary LOL

See now....you went and destroyed all your credibility and the respect I had for you, though I disagree with your points on this thread.

When you just can't say you chose to insult and move on, it only makes you look silly. Oh well, you're the one who has to live with yourself.

On to Carter...you can't be serious! Carter made a mess out of the middle east. Presidents of the United States aren't harmless and/or weak just by nature of their position in the world. Good grief, my grandkids know that much.

Perhaps your religious beliefs interfers with your ability to be objective?
But, Carter made sure an ally of America was outsted and in return Iran went to heck in a hand basket with the murderous Ayatollah Khomeini at the head, 20,000 shot dead at his direction and the infamous American hostage crisis and today we're left with a regime that is led by some of the most dangerous men in the world.

But, you go on thinking Carter didn't do a thing. I'd (laugh), but it's entirely too serious a matter.

acerrak
05-17-2011, 07:51 AM
:blah

did you say something?

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 08:42 AM
I know you dont know what I am talking about. Guess you arent in touch. As of 2008, every refinery and chemical plant worker, every contractor, and lots of other people in jobs like truck driving, etc, in the US had to go and get a TWIC card to enter industrial sites. The signs were all over the gulf coast.

SO, we all had to go to these TSA offices that Bush rented and set up all over Houston, get fingerprinted, pay (not $75 dollars but) $132.50 I forgot the cost LOL, get a background check, and then they mailed you a card. In 2009 you could not enter any industrial site on the gulf coast without one. Now you cannot enter any industrial site anywhere in the US without one. Your fingerprint information is stored on your card. Good grief they issued millions of them LOL.

ANYWAY, They are piloting the card readers now. Insert your card, lay your index finger on the reader, validates your ID, you enter.

You aren't very perceptive if you think I sound happy about that.

Educate yourself. It will be good for you. I looked for the comic book version just for you but they did not have one. Sorry.

http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/twic/index.shtm



i dont know what your talking about... biometric card for 75$ lol thats just funny...:laffatu
well im glad you moved out, we didnt want you anyway. your better suited were your at now. :highfive

get your little osama is number one picket sign, take to the streets, and go celebrate that jihad..... yea man ... Good times:thwak

acerrak
05-17-2011, 08:54 AM
I know you dont know what I am talking about. Guess you arent in touch. As of 2008, every refinery and chemical plant worker, every contractor, and lots of other people in jobs like truck driving, etc, in the US had to go and get a TWIC card to enter industrial sites. The signs were all over the gulf coast.

SO, we all had to go to these TSA offices that Bush rented and set up all over Houston, get fingerprinted, pay (not $75 dollars but) $132.50 I forgot the cost LOL, get a background check, and then they mailed you a card. In 2009 you could not enter any industrial site on the gulf coast without one. Now you cannot enter any industrial site anywhere in the US without one. Your fingerprint information is stored on your card. Good grief they issued millions of them LOL.

ANYWAY, They are piloting the card readers now. Insert your card, lay your index finger on the reader, validates your ID, you enter.

You aren't very perceptive if you think I sound happy about that.

Educate yourself. It will be good for you. Good ole bush!

http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/twic/index.shtm

after careful observation of your post i have found it = to :blah

lol even before bush put that in place. they had a GS system, and since this is dealing with mostly maritime. I.E. shipping. the Gs system has been around for ages. PEOPLE JUST CANT STROLL OFF AND ON MILITARY BASES AT WILL.. dude

these specific Vendors had to be checked, I.e truck drivers bringing in food for ships or supplies etc. So this was a good system todo so.

However the twic is not required for basic truck drivers, who do not transport to government facilities. nor do you have to have a twic to get a job at a factory or other industries non government related.

twic's whole purpose was to make sure the driver and the company was secure in the delivery and the person doing the delivery, and i might add these are very decently paid Jobs, you could handle the 135$

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 08:57 AM
acerrak thats nasty dude

i dont know what your talking about... I have had my head inserted in...nvm :laffatu
well im glad you moved out, we didnt want you anyway. your better suited were your at now. :highfive

get your little osama is number one picket sign, take to the streets, and go celebrate that jihad..... yea man ... Good times:thwak

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 09:01 AM
You have to get a TWIC card to work in any industrial facility. You know Shell, BP, etc etc?

(laughing) dude maybe you should READ the TWIC requirements and what it is for THEN come back and summarize it. You can't even be a contract welder in a chemical plant or enter a chemical plant without one.

Guess you dont work in industry. Sorry to overwhelm you like this. Did we have the millions of cards issued discussion?

PS: I am not a delivery truck driver. wow that would be nice. I bet that pays good huh

after careful observation of your post i have found it = to :blah

lol even before bush put that in place. they had a GS system, and since this is dealing with mostly maritime. I.E. shipping. the Gs system has been around for ages. PEOPLE JUST CANT STROLL OFF AND ON MILITARY BASES AT WILL.. dude

these specific Vendors had to be checked, I.e truck drivers bringing in food for ships or supplies etc. So this was a good system todo so.

However the twic is not required for basic truck drivers, who do not transport to government facilities. nor do you have to have a twic to get a job at a factory or other industries non government related.

twic's whole purpose was to make sure the driver and the company was secure in the delivery and the person doing the delivery, and i might add these are very decently paid Jobs, you could handle the 135$

acerrak
05-17-2011, 09:12 AM
acerrak thats nasty dude

awh did we discover how to manipulate quotes... how cute. give the baby a bottle:bigbaby

haha we did government work from our facility, until obama became president. then all these business who was under the bush admin got dumped. and we didnt have to get a twic card. yet we were under government contract. big difference is we didnt ship directly to anytype of military facility. but we did government. and the basic trucking liscense or A CLASS F DRIVERS LISCENSE was enough

your lack of knowledge is really starting show.

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 09:16 AM
You're pretty funny as long as you aren't suffering the burden of dealing with useful or factual information.

awh did we discover how to manipulate quotes... how cute. give the baby a bottle:bigbaby

acerrak
05-17-2011, 09:20 AM
You're pretty funny as long as you aren't suffering the the burden of dealing with useful or factual information.

maybe you should walk with buddha or confucious, cause islam is killing your brain cells

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 09:22 AM
I never did government contracts. There are enough people living off the government. Guess you were one of them.

This is what I know. Every chemical plant and industrial facility on the Gulf Coast requires a TWIC card to work inside the plant for any reason. Noticed the other day that a Refinery in interior Alaska (far, far, far away from any coast) was posting jobs and part of their job posting required a TWIC card.



awh did we discover how to manipulate quotes... how cute. give the baby a bottle:bigbaby

haha we did government work from our facility, until obama became president. then all these business who was under the bush admin got dumped. and we didnt have to get a twic card. yet we were under government contract. big difference is we didnt ship directly to anytype of military facility. but we did government. and the basic trucking liscense or A CLASS F DRIVERS LISCENSE was enough

your lack of knowledge is really starting show.

acerrak
05-17-2011, 09:24 AM
I never did government contracts. There are enough people living off the government. Guess you were one of them.


and that is a bad thing in what way?

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 09:31 AM
Did you read that as a bad thing? Nowdays milking the government is the thing to do.

Bad thing: Sensivity blended with uninformed. You probably run in different circles than we do. I did not know anyone who DIDNT have to get a card.

and that is a bad thing in what way?

acerrak
05-17-2011, 09:55 AM
Did you read that as a bad thing? Nowdays milking the government is the thing to do.

Bad thing: Sensivity blended with uninformed. You probably run in different circles than we do. I did not know anyone who DIDNT have to get a card.

well after the new administration has took over, we very seldom do any work for the government.

but when bush was in the office the government was our bread and butter.

and no not everyone is required to get a twic, but i could see handeling chemicals being under that as well. also oil companies ship the oil. its another one that falls under the maritime

NorCal
05-17-2011, 10:02 AM
Osama has won. Put away the fireworks and the apple pie and Chevrolet because America is no more. Before 911 We were a different country. Though Reaganomics has been eroding our society the attacks on 911 pushed us over the edge. For Osama to win he didn't have to wipe the US off the map he just had to stop America from being America. We now have unwarranted wire taps, pat downs and body searches at airports (even for our kids). Neighbors no longer trust each other especially if one of them is brown. They sneak the coffins of our soldiers in at night and we only see animated images of smart bombs going down a chimney so that we don't see the real cost of war. We are told our elections are fair but private companies count the votes and the Supreme Court has the final say not the people. Now in America the accused can be held indefinitely without being charged. A trial by one's peers and the rule of law once hallmarks of a great nation are regularly suspended if not denied out right. With 85% of Americans claiming to be Christian the actions of America now paint Christianity to be the religion of the conquering consumers. In America now the things that are said about the Muslims and Mexicans are the same things that Nazis said about Jews and Romans said about Christians. Yes Osama has won and he showed he was right when we cowardly went in a killed an unarmed man without a trial.

The America of dreams is no more but remember that all men will know that you are the disciples of Christ if you have love one for another. Protect your citizenship in the one kingdom that pledges its allegiance to you.

Rofl, American Society has been degrading since the 1920!

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 10:27 AM
Now I will be serious. Here is my original point. As you said, government sites are government owned. They can set up any security measures they want to as they see fit. Private companies after 9/11 were put under the jurisdiction of the coast guard. Not the docks, or the marine facilities - the front gates. They took over jurisdiction and simply passed the cost on to the people who worked in those facilities. For the first time in our history, private facilities and private companies are under military jurisdiction and even have to issue reports on a routine basis to the coast guard, and their employees have to get biometric identification cards from the TSA to work there.

The rules apply to everyone. Welders and fitters who are in turnaround for a few weeks and permanent employees who work there every day. So, the same people who for years have been going to work and paying taxes had to go to a government office, fill out an application, give their fingerprints, and have a card issued to them by the federal government to work their same jobs. These people were just employees who were not in the least bit dangerous the day before they got their federally issued card and not the least bit safer the day after. Their prints and their money were just taken from them. Take the card or lose your job. Sounds like taking a mark LOL

In this, America lost a little bit of what America was - and this and other things we lost were lost to Osama and what Osama stood for. Nobody on this thread, not me and certainly not the original poster, is celebrating about this. It is nothing to celebrate. Why do you think extremists hate America? It is because of what America stands for. They would like nothing better than to make America like everywhere else, less freedom, less privacy, less and less and less. They are winning by having these things taken down brick by brick.

well after the new administration has took over, we very seldom do any work for the government.

but when bush was in the office the government was our bread and butter.

and no not everyone is required to get a twic, but i could see handeling chemicals being under that as well. also oil companies ship the oil. its another one that falls under the maritime

acerrak
05-17-2011, 10:53 AM
well at the same time i understand the concern. But i also understand the good it can do.

Im still free, but if i want to drive i need a liscense, i can work but i need a social security card. thse are the 2 basic forms of identification, that can be used anywhere for about any job.

I still have my old military Id. and on my I.D. there is a chip. this chip contains my service record and my info. This allowed people to rapidly see and veryify who i was, why i was there, and for how long.


at one time in san diego point loma naval base. A man got into the base with a fake I.D. this was before the chip. a civilian, just strolled right on a military base. he could had been a terrorist.

the point is many things changed after that. The change came about to better protect the people. did the stuff inconvienance us? sure, but i didnt really worry about another person trying to sneak their way on the base after that.

so were you look at it as losing freedom. i look at it as a form to protect the people.

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 11:11 AM
It is not a concern to me at all. My feet vote for me.

Your words:

"well at the same time i understand the concern. But i also understand the good it can do."
"so were you look at it as losing freedom. i look at it as a form to protect the people"

Here are the words of our country's founders for you. These words were attributed to both with sources.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." -- Thomas Jefferson

Your words represent and summarize Osama's America nicely. Osama's America is however not the same America that was founded by those brave patriots.

Not that we cannot learn from history.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."
well at the same time i understand the concern. But i also understand the good it can do.

Im still free, but if i want to drive i need a liscense, i can work but i need a social security card. thse are the 2 basic forms of identification, that can be used anywhere for about any job.

I still have my old military Id. and on my I.D. there is a chip. this chip contains my service record and my info. This allowed people to rapidly see and veryify who i was, why i was there, and for how long.


at one time in san diego point loma naval base. A man got into the base with a fake I.D. this was before the chip. a civilian, just strolled right on a military base. he could had been a terrorist.

the point is many things changed after that. The change came about to better protect the people. did the stuff inconvienance us. sure, but i didnt really after worry about another person trying to sneak there way on the base.

so were you look at it as losing freedom. i look at it as a form to protect the people.

acerrak
05-17-2011, 11:45 AM
It is not a concern to me at all. My feet vote for me.

Your words:

"well at the same time i understand the concern. But i also understand the good it can do."
"so were you look at it as losing freedom. i look at it as a form to protect the people"

Here are the words of our country's founders for you. These words were attributed to both with sources.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." -- Thomas Jefferson


different era, different meaning. they was talking about opression from a foriegn government, and giving up there liberties would have kept them from going to war. by submitting to another authority they could have reached some some sorta of safety in the since there would be no conflict.


getting I.D.s doesnt take away your liberty, its helping to preserve it.
and im glad you left. cause if you didnt want to be here then i would absolutly to tell you to leave. no one is forcing you to live here.

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 11:53 AM
(laughing) Words from the "new" America to justify trading freedom for "safety".

As to the below, I am quite sure it does not make a difference to me one whit what you might or might not "absolutly" say (re-laughing) I dont get body searched when I fly.

different era, different meaning. they was talking about opression from a foriegn government, and giving up there liberties would have kept them from going to war. by submitting to another authority they could have reached some some sorta of safety in the since there would be no conflict.


getting I.D.s doesnt take away your liberty, its helping to preserve it.
and im glad you left. cause if you didnt want to be here then i would absolutly to tell you to leave. no one is forcing you to live here.

acerrak
05-17-2011, 12:09 PM
(laughing) Words from the "new" America to justify trading freedom for "safety".

As to the below, I am quite sure it does not make a difference to me one whit what you might or might not "absolutly" say (re-laughing) I dont get body searched when I fly.

if you come to america you will. and i am glad they do it. I just wonder how many lives have already been saved because of it.

your still longing for your hippie era, make love not war... Peace, and light up a joint. what ever.

you dont live here anymore so you dont get a vote, so your words are of little value...

i suggest you load up willie wonka and the chocolate factory, the one with gene wilder, it may give you some comfort... its like a happy little world, and stuff

canam
05-17-2011, 01:30 PM
if you come to america you will. and i am glad they do it. I just wonder how many lives have already been saved because of it.

your still longing for your hippie era, make love not war... Peace, and light up a joint. what ever.

you dont live here anymore so you dont get a vote, so your words are of little value...

i suggest you load up willie wonka and the chocolate factory, the one with gene wilder, it may give you some comfort... its like a happy little world, and stuff

:thumbsup to quote wii wii (laughing)

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 05:42 PM
NOTE: I do get a vote. All of us overseas get a vote. Like the TWIC issue, it appears you dont know about voting either. In fact, looking through your posts, you dont appear to actually know much about anything. Words from someone who does not know anything have little value.

I am also quite sure you are glad they do body searches. No dope here. No hippies either. They're all over there with you LOL. Enjoy each other.

Look ar you. Barely literate. Eking a living off of government contracts. In this, you represent the new America as well.

If I come to America, I'll get taxed (well taxed more). I dont like getting taxed. So dont worry, I limit my time there.

if you come to america you will. and i am glad they do it. I just wonder how many lives have already been saved because of it.

your still longing for your hippie era, make love not war... Peace, and light up a joint. what ever.

you dont live here anymore so you dont get a vote, so your words are of little value...

i suggest you load up willie wonka and the chocolate factory, the one with gene wilder, it may give you some comfort... its like a happy little world, and stuff

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 05:58 PM
As to you, you follow the ignorant around like a little lapdog panting up to the schoolyard children with nothing of value to add or say except "OH coadie pant pant" "thats funny pant pant"

Thankfully at least you are perceptive enough to realize that whatever you might want to share has such little value that there's no point. LOL That is a blessing woof woof

Did you a favor (dont thank me) and put you over there with coadie in the republican thread.

:thumbsup to quote wii wii (laughing)

MrJob62
05-17-2011, 08:10 PM
Walks_in_islam wrote "Why do you think extremists hate America? It is because of what America stands for. They would like nothing better than to make America like everywhere else, less freedom, less privacy, less and less and less. They are winning by having these things taken down brick by brick."

Extremists don't hate America because of what it stands for. That was a made up reason George Bush used and patriotism is the last bastion of a scoundrel. The reason they hate us because we treat them badly. We occupy the lands steal there resources and prop up brutal dictators to rule over them.

Here is a little Iranian history. In 1951 Iran elected their first democratically elected president. His name was Mohamed Mossadegh. He was Time's Man of the Year. The first thing he did was nationalize Iran's oil supply because BP (yeah that BP) was robbing them blind and taking all of the oil profits out of a needy country. The British started plotting to overthrow Mossadegh but he got wind of it and kicked all the British out of the country. So the British went to Eisenhower in 1953 and got him to agree to remove Mossadegh. The coup was pulled of for just 1 million dollars; a bargain by Kermit Roosevelt, grandson of Teddy and Norman Schwarzkopf's father (small world). Mossadegh was placed under house arrest until he died. Then the US installed The Shah of Iran in his place and he was every bit ass brutal as Saddam Hussein. BP never got back in but the US oil companies did. By the time Carter was president the Iranian people were fed up with the Shah and he was driven from the country. Then the Shah was diagnosed with cancer and he comes to the US for treatment. Because the US was responsible for the Shah's brutal reign the Iranian people saw this visit to America as him plotting to get back in power. That is why the Iranian students took over the embassy and the hostages were held for 444 days. They would have been released earlier but the republican had to make sure the hostages wouldn't be released until after Election Day. After Reagan comes to power the US joins up with that nice guy Saddam Hussein and give him the green light ad all the weapons he need to kill 1 million Iranians. To this day we are still spending 400 million a year to destabilize the Iranian government since 2007. So tell me if you were Iranian how would you feel about Americans.

This country has done very similar things in at least 14 other countries. We have 700+ military bases in 160 countries. That is the definition of empire. If Americans are such great people why do we need so much protection? Imperialism is the cause of terrorism.

GISG
05-17-2011, 08:36 PM
MrJob, I thought you apologized for sowing discord? You didn't mean it?

There are people on this forum who love this country. What do you think you're accomplishing by coming here and starting controversial threads?

WII doesn't follow the Lord of Heaven, so his behavior seems appropriate within his calling. The insults, and denial thereof, the one sided view doesn't seem surprising.

I'm just curious why you think it's appropriate to come into a forum (not that you don't have every right) and bash the very country God has placed you in?

Can God bless what you curse? He once told me that wasn't possible if we're His.

I don't have any intentions of trying to make you re-consider your behavior, you're entitled to it. But, at the same time, I have the right to tell you that your words are offensive. And I'm sorry you think it's okay to disparage what others may deem worthy.

acerrak
05-17-2011, 08:47 PM
NOTE: I do get a vote. All of us overseas get a vote. Like the TWIC issue, it appears you dont know about voting either. In fact, looking through your posts, you dont appear to actually know much about anything. Words from someone who does not know anything have little value.

I am also quite sure you are glad they do body searches. No dope here. No hippies either. They're all over there with you LOL. Enjoy each other.

Look ar you. Barely literate. Eking a living off of government contracts. In this, you represent the new America as well.

If I come to America, I'll get taxed (well taxed more). I dont like getting taxed. So dont worry, I limit my time there.

i am barely literate? and you said im

(Eking ) what is that?

O man so your still american.. you lied walking in islam... you said you would let your feet do the voting and you left america. but what you failed to mention is that your still a american citizen working abroad, well again if you dont like it. I suggest you turn in your citizenship and go to another country that has your same values and a government you can stand behind... then you wont have to worry about that little twic card anymore Ok... Thanks byebye

Walks_in_islam
05-17-2011, 11:06 PM
You I am afraid are spot on.

By jolly it IS a small world. I love this photo of Rumsfield with his buddy Hussein LOL

NOW: If Rumsfield had not shipped "insecticide precursers" to his buddy Hussein would we be over there looking for them 17 years later? LOL


Walks_in_islam wrote "Why do you think extremists hate America? It is because of what America stands for. They would like nothing better than to make America like everywhere else, less freedom, less privacy, less and less and less. They are winning by having these things taken down brick by brick."

Extremists don't hate America because of what it stands for. That was a made up reason George Bush used and patriotism is the last bastion of a scoundrel. The reason they hate us because we treat them badly. We occupy the lands steal there resources and prop up brutal dictators to rule over them.

Here is a little Iranian history. In 1951 Iran elected their first democratically elected president. His name was Mohamed Mossadegh. He was Time's Man of the Year. The first thing he did was nationalize Iran's oil supply because BP (yeah that BP) was robbing them blind and taking all of the oil profits out of a needy country. The British started plotting to overthrow Mossadegh but he got wind of it and kicked all the British out of the country. So the British went to Eisenhower in 1953 and got him to agree to remove Mossadegh. The coup was pulled of for just 1 million dollars; a bargain by Kermit Roosevelt, grandson of Teddy and Norman Schwarzkopf's father (small world). Mossadegh was placed under house arrest until he died. Then the US installed The Shah of Iran in his place and he was every bit ass brutal as Saddam Hussein. BP never got back in but the US oil companies did. By the time Carter was president the Iranian people were fed up with the Shah and he was driven from the country. Then the Shah was diagnosed with cancer and he comes to the US for treatment. Because the US was responsible for the Shah's brutal reign the Iranian people saw this visit to America as him plotting to get back in power. That is why the Iranian students took over the embassy and the hostages were held for 444 days. They would have been released earlier but the republican had to make sure the hostages wouldn't be released until after Election Day. After Reagan comes to power the US joins up with that nice guy Saddam Hussein and give him the green light ad all the weapons he need to kill 1 million Iranians. To this day we are still spending 400 million a year to destabilize the Iranian government since 2007. So tell me if you were Iranian how would you feel about Americans.

This country has done very similar things in at least 14 other countries. We have 700+ military bases in 160 countries. That is the definition of empire. If Americans are such great people why do we need so much protection? Imperialism is the cause of terrorism.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 12:52 AM
Lied? Hardly. A shattered image in your own mind does not equal a lie from my mouth. Your suggestion is tossed into the same plastic bag as the rest of your comments.

Good riddance. Take your cheerleader buddy with you.

i am barely literate? and you said im

(Eking ) what is that?

O man so your still american.. you lied walking in islam... you said you would let your feet do the voting and you left america. but what you failed to mention is that your still a american citizen working abroad, well again if you dont like it. I suggest you turn in your citizenship and go to another country that has your same values and a government you can stand behind... then you wont have to worry about that little twic card anymore Ok... Thanks byebye

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 03:10 AM
<grins> Didnt deny the insults. Just re-categorized them as innocent observations.

We all follow the same God.

I am quite sure it was appropriate to bash the situation our country's founders found themselves in. God also blessed what they cursed and what they stood for. If one looks around and find themself in a very, very similar situation then perhaps the response to it would be appropriate.

There were also people then who did not like what they heard. They were called Tories. They also thought that things were just fine.

MrJob, I thought you apologized for sowing discord? You didn't mean it?

There are people on this forum who love this country. What do you think you're accomplishing by coming here and starting controversial threads?

WII doesn't follow the Lord of Heaven, so his behavior seems appropriate within his calling. The insults, and denial thereof, the one sided view doesn't seem surprising.

I'm just curious why you think it's appropriate to come into a forum (not that you don't have every right) and bash the very country God has placed you in?

Can God bless what you curse? He once told me that wasn't possible if we're His.

I don't have any intentions of trying to make you re-consider your behavior, you're entitled to it. But, at the same time, I have the right to tell you that your words are offensive. And I'm sorry you think it's okay to disparage what others may deem worthy.

canam
05-18-2011, 05:16 AM
BTW WII, no one gives you any thumbs up, cause your rarely right, as in no we dont serve the same GOD. More Islamic justification info.> no grins , no laughing

acerrak
05-18-2011, 05:23 AM
<grins> Didnt deny the insults. Just re-categorized them as innocent observations.

We all follow the same God.

I am quite sure it was appropriate to bash the situation our country's founders found themselves in. God also blessed what they cursed and what they stood for. If one looks around and find themself in a very, very similar situation then perhaps the response to it would be appropriate.

There were also people then who did not like what they heard. They were called Tories. They also thought that things were just fine.

islam isnt the same god as My God. i bet you cant even tell me the name of the god of islam, I can tell you the Name My God has presented me.

just back on the political wagon again. i really believe no one on this topic really cares to how you feel. Your just trying to soe seeds of discord.
every place in this world has issues, and the government isnt gonna bow to your wants and desires.

and innocent observations, people see through this. its like what the Lord said its what comes out of the mouth that really shows whats on the inside.

if your un happy with your job . why dont you look for something else.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 07:23 AM
I dont think Jefferson or Franklin were islamic. You are arguing with their words. Not mine.

NOTE: The first country that officially recognized our country when it was founded was a Muslim country.

Unlike you I don't need to bounce from lap to lap panting and looking for thumbs ups.

BTW WII, no one gives you any thumbs up, cause your rarely right, as in no we dont serve the same GOD. More Islamic justification info.> no grins , no laughing

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 07:35 AM
What name were you definitely presented with? Jesus? (laughing) HIS name was Yeshua a spinoff of Joshua. You are praying to a person re-named by the Church of Rome and dont even use the name he was given.

Allah is from the root word Eli and is the arabic version of the Aramaic name for Abraham's God. Aramaic was the language of Jesus.

It is written in your book that Jesus when Jesus prayed he used the name "Eli". The Arabic word for God is Allah. Even christian Arabs pray to Allah.

You might say you were given a name. "Jesus" taught you to pray and when he taught you to pray he taught you to pray to ELI. The same God he prayed to. Now you do something else.

The God of Islam is the God of your prophet Jesus. The name you pray to is the re-name that you were told to pray to by the Church of Rome.

How people think about how I feel or dont feel does not cost me one minute of thought or sleep. LOL

islam isnt the same god as My God. i bet you cant even tell me the name of the god of islam, I can tell you the Name My God has presented me.

just back on the political wagon again. i really believe no one on this topic really cares to how you feel. Your just trying to soe seeds of discord.
every place in this world has issues, and the government isnt gonna bow to your wants and desires.

and innocent observations, people see through this. its like what the Lord said its what comes out of the mouth that really shows whats on the inside.

if your un happy with your job . why dont you look for something else.

canam
05-18-2011, 07:56 AM
Hopefully MB sees this and straightens you out, or at least tries,but prolly that would be casting his pearls amongst... oh never mind .In the meantime spread your camel fertilizer somewhere else . laughs ,grins ,snickers ,smiles roflmbo,lol

UnTraditional
05-18-2011, 08:03 AM
Walks_in_Islam, how can you serve a demon... I mean a god whose primary prophet was a pedophile, whose law demands you kill and enslave infidels, and whose beliefs have murdered and raped Christians throughout the world, with the blessings of most imams of that religion? Allah is nothing more than a Babylonian moon god, one among over 360 others that the false prophet mohammed chose to be the deity of his religion, and this is a proven historical fact.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 08:06 AM
I like this thread. Hopefully MB sees your wii wii nickname and concludes that whatever you got after that was fairly earned. Here's a thought. If you see information you dont like, bring some better information. Otherwise you should not patter around panting woof woof and name calling then act stunned and hurt and whelp when you get pinned with a fairly earned label. What are you doing back anyway? Did coadie put you out or something?

Hopefully MB sees this and straightens you out, or at least tries,but prolly that would be casting his pearls amongst... oh never mind .In the meantime spread your camel fertilizer somewhere else . laughs ,grins ,snickers ,smiles roflmbo,lol

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 08:15 AM
Jesus prayed to a moon god? I dont think so.

Jesus = Ea-Zeus = Healing Zeus. It is a Pagan sun deity name

Renaming him from Yeshua and then worshipping him on SUNday is a pagan practice. How can you do this?


Walks_in_Islam, how can you serve a demon... I mean a god whose primary prophet was a pedophile, whose law demands you kill and enslave infidels, and whose beliefs have murdered and raped Christians throughout the world, with the blessings of most imams of that religion? Allah is nothing more than a Babylonian moon god, one among over 360 others that the false prophet mohammed chose to be the deity of his religion, and this is a proven historical fact.

GISG
05-18-2011, 08:24 AM
<grins> Didnt deny the insults. Just re-categorized them as innocent observations.

We all follow the same God.

I am quite sure it was appropriate to bash the situation our country's founders found themselves in. God also blessed what they cursed and what they stood for. If one looks around and find themself in a very, very similar situation then perhaps the response to it would be appropriate.

There were also people then who did not like what they heard. They were called Tories. They also thought that things were just fine.

No, we absolutley do not follow the same God. Not even close, in fact, your god is the enemy of all that God has ever created.
So, let's just make that crystal clear.

I'll leave you to your version of U.S. history and current events. For those thoughts you are entitled to skew any which way you wish, but not directed towards the Living and ONLY Just God of the Universe.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 08:28 AM
Unlike your peers I directed nothing at your God. It is a fact that the name Yeshua was revised. The same "pagan roots" analysis done on Islam was also done on christianity and that analysis can be answered this for that all day. Its my weekend. I have time for that.

So my version of current events or US history is wrong? Instead of the lame insults correct it for me. If you can. Me? I dont think you have it in you.

No, we absolutley do not follow the same God. Not even close, in fact, your god is the enemy of all that God has ever created.
So, let's just make that crystal clear.

I'll leave you to your version of U.S. history and current events. For those thoughts you are entitled to skew any which way you wish, but not directed towards the Living and ONLY Just God of the Universe.

GISG
05-18-2011, 08:33 AM
Unlike your peers I directed nothing at your God. It is a fact that the name Yeshua was revised. The same "pagan roots" analysis done on Islam was also done on christianity and that analysis can be answered this for that all day. Its my weekend. I have time for that.

So my version of current events or US history is wrong? Instead of the lame insults correct it for me. If you can. Me? I dont think you have it in you.

I told you I was "leaving you to your own skewed version of U.S. history". I have no desire to debate you over it...you are now free to walk about your own version.

On the other hand, you said we served the same God. You serve satan, you're a willing dupe as far as I can tell. But, you're still alive so God is still giving you a chance and space of time to repent. I sincerely hope you do so.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 08:47 AM
Your judgement is noted. It is not yours to give, but it is noted.

Also noted is this: You and your peers always have judgement and are always sure that others are wrong but you do not have the time or energy to declare your own version of what is right.

What I suspect is this: You have much to say about what you think of others is wrong, but short of that you have nothing else and are otherwise empty.

That is sad.

I told you I was "leaving you to your own skewed version of U.S. history". I have no desire to debate you over it...you are now free to walk about your own version.

On the other hand, you said we served the same God. You serve satan, you're a willing dupe as far as I can tell. But, you're still alive so God is still giving you a chance and space of time to repent. I sincerely hope you do so.

acerrak
05-18-2011, 09:27 AM
What name were you definitely presented with? Jesus? (laughing) HIS name was Yeshua a spinoff of Joshua. You are praying to a person re-named by the Church of Rome and dont even use the name he was given.

Allah is from the root word Eli and is the arabic version of the Aramaic name for Abraham's God. Aramaic was the language of Jesus.

It is written in your book that Jesus when Jesus prayed he used the name "Eli". The Arabic word for God is Allah. Even christian Arabs pray to Allah.

You might say you were given a name. "Jesus" taught you to pray and when he taught you to pray he taught you to pray to ELI. The same God he prayed to. Now you do something else.

The God of Islam is the God of your prophet Jesus. The name you pray to is the re-name that you were told to pray to by the Church of Rome.

How people think about how I feel or dont feel does not cost me one minute of thought or sleep. LOL

your lack of study shows. allah is just a generic term for the word God. it is not a name. God in the Old testament, the True God left us with a name, Somthing to destinquish himself. YHWH or Yahweh.
el or elohim is both generic terms for the word God, there not names, just as the word God isnt a name.

it is true that some arabs use allah, but they know the Name of there God
muslims dont, muslims are left with a generic name.

thats what happends when a radical group comes around in 652 a.d and plagerizes off the bible and makes there own. just silly.

as for the Name Yeshua, yehoshua,Yesus, Iseous, Jesus. if you have never done a study on name of Jesus dont talk. it will really make you look dumb.

You will not find Yeshua in the greek it is Iseous, which is the greek translation of yeshua or yesus. during the time when there was no letter (J) the Letter I was used. When the (j) came into play it did not have (g) SOUND it was a (ya) or a Jya) sound. so they tried to keep the sound of Yesus/iseous eventually when the english evolved the (j) picked up a (G) sound thus the pronunciation of Gsus, instead of the ya sound.

really man, islam has no god its a fake made up with mans hands as a idol and fashioned in the mind of men. islam god is not the god of Jesus.

your silly little book came over 600 years after the hard manuscripts had already been written for christianity , and that isnt counting the hebrew ones that had been around much longer.

if this was the case allah was the god of the old testament, which we know he isnt cause he is (fake) the jews today would still be calling him allah. lol
But they dont..


im sorry dude, i really am, come out of that pagan relegion. the only roots it ever had in christianity was plagerized by some fake demon possesed so called prophet

GISG
05-18-2011, 09:55 AM
Your judgement is noted. It is not yours to give, but it is noted. Also noted is this: You and your peers always have judgement and are always sure that others are wrong but you do not have the time or energy to declare your own version of what is right. What I suspect is this: You have much to say about what you think of others is wrong, but short of that you have nothing else and are otherwise empty. That is sad.

Jesus says we're to judge with righteous judgment. If, after having recieved the baptisim of the Holy Ghost I cannot judge between your god and mine, there is something wrong. And it can never be made right with the lie you have believed and now worship.

So, note all you want, my God is able to keep that which has been committed unto Him....

coadie
05-18-2011, 10:53 AM
Jesus says we're to judge with righteous judgment. If, after having recieved the baptisim of the Holy Ghost I cannot judge between your god and mine, there is something wrong. And it can never be made right with the lie you have believed and now worship.

So, note all you want, my God is able to keep that which has been committed unto Him....

The saints shall judge the world

In my bible

Allah is a false depiction of God.

Allah offers no way to have rem,ission of sins but substitutes a works salvation.

Prophet Mohamad was a bad to the bones dude. We know he is not from Jehovah.

coadie
05-18-2011, 10:54 AM
If the {Prophet Mohamadd lived today, he would be in jail full time.

canam
05-18-2011, 12:44 PM
I believe WII WII just got owned, by accerak and MB has even posted yet.

Sam
05-18-2011, 02:10 PM
Walks_in_Islam, how can you serve a demon... I mean a god whose primary prophet was a pedophile, whose law demands you kill and enslave infidels, and whose beliefs have murdered and raped Christians throughout the world, with the blessings of most imams of that religion? Allah is nothing more than a Babylonian moon god, one among over 360 others that the false prophet mohammed chose to be the deity of his religion, and this is a proven historical fact.

First, let me say that I am a Christian. I have been since I invited Jesus Christ into my heart on March 28, 1955. I believe there is only one true God and His name is Jesus.

But,

Some of the stuff you've said about Mohammed and Islam has also been said about Christianity. Some believe and teach that YHWH was one of many gods who became elevated by Jews to be the supreme God. And YHWH told Israel to purge out all the people groups living in that land and to take it over. Also, look at the bloody history of the Christian Church with the Crusades, the inquisition, the KKK, and Hitler. Then look around at the attitude and actions of "Christians" as they excommunicate one another, fellowship along doctrinal and organizational lines, and gossip, lie, and destroy one another with their tongues.

acerrak
05-18-2011, 02:18 PM
First, let me say that I am a Christian. I have been since I invited Jesus Christ into my heart on March 28, 1955. I believe there is only one true God and His name is Jesus.

But,

Some of the stuff you've said about Mohammed and Islam has also been said about Christianity. Some believe and teach that YHWH was one of many gods who became elevated by Jews to be the supreme God. And YHWH told Israel to purge out all the people groups living in that land and to take it over. Also, look at the bloody history of the Christian Church with the Crusades, the inquisition, the KKK, and Hitler. Then look around at the attitude and actions of "Christians" as they excommunicate one another, fellowship along doctrinal and organizational lines, and gossip, lie, and destroy one another with their tongues.

yep maybe if the jews would have completly done what God told them todo, when they got into the promise land, we might not had any of it, who knows.

surely your not questioning the action of the one true living God versus a idol?

Sam
05-18-2011, 02:23 PM
yep maybe if the jews would have completly done what God told them todo, when they got into the promise land, we might not had any of it, who knows.

surely your not questioning the action of the one true living God versus a idol?

I do not believe the Jewish belief in YHWH as the one true God came by evolution. I believe He revealed Himself to men over the years.

I believe the Bible is God's Word.

I believe YHWH did order the extermination of the inhabitants of Canaan.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 09:08 PM
As I pointed out, the words of Jesus as HE prayed were written down. Jesus prayed to Eli. If Jesus used a "generic name" when he addressed his God and I use the same "generic name" when I address the same God then the "generic name" is good enough for me. Add this to the growing list of things that Jesus did and taught you to do but somehow are not good enough for you.

There are actually (7) names for God from the ancient Hebrew writings. You picked (1) of the (7) probably because it has the least resemblence in sound to the name either Jesus or Muslims use. You know, when I think of it, that sounds a bit silly.

1.Eloah
2.Elohim
3.Adonai
4.Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh
5.YHWH
6.El Shaddai
7.Tzevaot


As to the name Jesus - names do not change. Sound does not "appear" and "reappear". Tongues and mouths could say "yeshua" back then and tongues and mouths can say "yeshua" today. Amazing huh? Jesus was not greek. He had a name. What sounds silly are the long lines of justification it takes to explain how the name got changed.

You know nothing about my book. You are correct in one thing - my book and your book have no dicrepencies between them until after Jesus was taken back to paradise.

To your note about false prophets: I have seen many false prophets speak. They prepare long summaries of how close the end of time is and long analysis of how the commies are the kingdom of the antichrist and the common market is the kingdom of the antichrist and the catholics are the kingdom of the antichrist and "scare people to jesus" with it while pocketing much profit from it. Also noted is that you choose to follow these false prophets like sheep even when their "prophecies" come to nothing.

It it all the same to you I will continue to pray and fast and give the way I am supposed to and leave the lies and false prophecies to your leaders.

your lack of study shows. allah is just a generic term for the word God. it is not a name. God in the Old testament, the True God left us with a name, Somthing to destinquish himself. YHWH or Yahweh.
el or elohim is both generic terms for the word God, there not names, just as the word God isnt a name.

it is true that some arabs use allah, but they know the Name of there God
muslims dont, muslims are left with a generic name.

thats what happends when a radical group comes around in 652 a.d and plagerizes off the bible and makes there own. just silly.

as for the Name Yeshua, yehoshua,Yesus, Iseous, Jesus. if you have never done a study on name of Jesus dont talk. it will really make you look dumb.

You will not find Yeshua in the greek it is Iseous, which is the greek translation of yeshua or yesus. during the time when there was no letter (J) the Letter I was used. When the (j) came into play it did not have (g) SOUND it was a (ya) or a Jya) sound. so they tried to keep the sound of Yesus/iseous eventually when the english evolved the (j) picked up a (G) sound thus the pronunciation of Gsus, instead of the ya sound.

really man, islam has no god its a fake made up with mans hands as a idol and fashioned in the mind of men. islam god is not the god of Jesus.

your silly little book came over 600 years after the hard manuscripts had already been written for christianity , and that isnt counting the hebrew ones that had been around much longer.

if this was the case allah was the god of the old testament, which we know he isnt cause he is (fake) the jews today would still be calling him allah. lol
But they dont..


im sorry dude, i really am, come out of that pagan relegion. the only roots it ever had in christianity was plagerized by some fake demon possesed so called prophet

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 09:11 PM
I am quite sure that Jesus says that the measures you mete in judgement will be measured back to you. I am comfortable in thinking that makes a lot more sense than after thousands of years of outlining that it is a grevious sin to put yourself in God's place suddenly you are given rights to judge others now today. Just thinkin'.

Jesus says we're to judge with righteous judgment. If, after having recieved the baptisim of the Holy Ghost I cannot judge between your god and mine, there is something wrong. And it can never be made right with the lie you have believed and now worship.

So, note all you want, my God is able to keep that which has been committed unto Him....

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 09:17 PM
I am quite sure that in your bible you are told that everyone will stand at the end and be judged according to your works.

In your bible EL-AH is one of the (7) terms used that Jesus selected to pray to.

The saints shall judge the world

In my bible

Allah is a false depiction of God.

Allah offers no way to have rem,ission of sins but substitutes a works salvation.

Prophet Mohamad was a bad to the bones dude. We know he is not from Jehovah.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 09:22 PM
"yip yip yip" you are back.

It must be the same time everywhere in the world. I cannot fathom the concept of time zones so I say the earth is flat. If you say otherwise you will be put to death. I cannot grasp the concept that maybe if someone is 10 time zones away and it is daytime here it must be daytime there too so they should be up posting on the internet all day and all night

GISG
05-18-2011, 09:24 PM
I am quite sure that Jesus says that the measures you mete in judgement will be measured back to you. I am comfortable in thinking that makes a lot more sense than after thousands of years of outlining that it is a grevious sin to put yourself in God's place suddenly you are given rights to judge others now today. Just thinkin'.

It is not putting myself in God's place to know that Islam is a false religion, that worships demonic forces.

I am extremely comfortable making that statement, and for whatever else I may be judged on, it won't be the fact that Islam is demonic in beginnings, nature and end.

Not just thinkin', but knowing.

May you turn unto Jesus, the One true God, the only One who can save your soul.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 10:19 PM
It is not possible to know a person's heart or who that person worships from your seat.

Warnings to watch what you DO not what you believe are sprinkled through both my book and yours. Whether you choose to follow them is your choice.

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.......

But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

.......But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God

Who will render to every man according to his deeds

You are not the only one who sits in comfort doing exactly what you were instructed not to do. You are not even the only one on this board LOL

It is not putting myself in God's place to know that Islam is a false religion, that worships demonic forces.

I am extremely comfortable making that statement, and for whatever else I may be judged on, it won't be the fact that Islam is demonic in beginnings, nature and end.

Not just thinkin', but knowing.

May you turn unto Jesus, the One true God, the only One who can save your soul.

MrJob62
05-18-2011, 10:39 PM
Sam said "Some of the stuff you've said about Mohammed and Islam has also been said about Christianity. Some believe and teach that YHWH was one of many gods who became elevated by Jews to be the supreme God. And YHWH told Israel to purge out all the people groups living in that land and to take it over. Also, look at the bloody history of the Christian Church with the Crusades, the inquisition, the KKK, and Hitler. Then look around at the attitude and actions of "Christians" as they excommunicate one another, fellowship along doctrinal and organizational lines, and gossip, lie, and destroy one another with their tongues."

These are wise words spoken by a mature Christian who is secure enough in his faith and his country to acknowledge their faults and mistakes.

This is one of the main reasons that I brought up this thread. All the evil that has been done in the name of Christ is only done when Christians seek political power instead of spiritual power. When Christianity hooks up with politicians everything the state does becomes the "will of God". History is replete with examples of the evil that can come from state religions. From Constantine who saw the Cross as a tool to conquer to the Crusades to the Inquisitions and witch trials to the death camps of the last century. Now sermon after sermon is pitting the "Christian" capitalist against the evil terrorist and already a million have died. The wars the US is in could not take place without Christian consent. So what about the words of Christ that say put down your sword and love your enemy and pray for him? I love America but I will only follow it when it is following God.

Christians have their citizenship in a kingdom that is not of this world. We live under the authority of that kingdom now. When some one comes in contact with us they are coming in contact with the kingdom of G_d. Christ showed us the the way. Let's walk the way he did.

Walks_in_islam
05-18-2011, 10:52 PM
NOTE: Every word of this should be and does apply to Islam.

Sam said "Some of the stuff you've said about Mohammed and Islam has also been said about Christianity. Some believe and teach that YHWH was one of many gods who became elevated by Jews to be the supreme God. And YHWH told Israel to purge out all the people groups living in that land and to take it over. Also, look at the bloody history of the Christian Church with the Crusades, the inquisition, the KKK, and Hitler. Then look around at the attitude and actions of "Christians" as they excommunicate one another, fellowship along doctrinal and organizational lines, and gossip, lie, and destroy one another with their tongues."

These are wise words spoken by a mature Christian who is secure enough in his faith and his country to acknowledge their faults and mistakes.

This is one of the main reasons that I brought up this thread. All the evil that has been done in the name of Christ is only done when Christians seek political power instead of spiritual power. When Christianity hooks up with politicians everything the state does becomes the "will of God". History is replete with examples of the evil that can come from state religions. From Constantine who saw the Cross as a tool to conquer to the Crusades to the Inquisitions and witch trials to the death camps of the last century. Now sermon after sermon is pitting the "Christian" capitalist against the evil terrorist and already a million have died. The wars the US is in could not take place without Christian consent. So what about the words of Christ that say put down your sword and love your enemy and pray for him? I love America but I will only follow it when it is following God.

Christians have their citizenship in a kingdom that is not of this world. We live under the authority of that kingdom now. When some one comes in contact with us they are coming in contact with the kingdom of G_d. Christ showed us the the way. Let's walk the way he did.

acerrak
05-18-2011, 10:55 PM
As I pointed out, the words of Jesus as HE prayed were written down. Jesus prayed to Eli. If Jesus used a "generic name" when he addressed his God and I use the same "generic name" when I address the same God then the "generic name" is good enough for me. Add this to the growing list of things that Jesus did and taught you to do but somehow are not good enough for you.

There are actually (7) names for God from the ancient Hebrew writings. You picked (1) of the (7) probably because it has the least resemblence in sound to the name either Jesus or Muslims use. You know, when I think of it, that sounds a bit silly.

1.Eloah
2.Elohim
3.Adonai
4.Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh
5.YHWH
6.El Shaddai
7.Tzevaot


As to the name Jesus - names do not change. Sound does not "appear" and "reappear". Tongues and mouths could say "yeshua" back then and tongues and mouths can say "yeshua" today. Amazing huh? Jesus was not greek. He had a name. What sounds silly are the long lines of justification it takes to explain how the name got changed.

You know nothing about my book. You are correct in one thing - my book and your book have no dicrepencies between them until after Jesus was taken back to paradise.

To your note about false prophets: I have seen many false prophets speak. They prepare long summaries of how close the end of time is and long analysis of how the commies are the kingdom of the antichrist and the common market is the kingdom of the antichrist and the catholics are the kingdom of the antichrist and "scare people to jesus" with it while pocketing much profit from it. Also noted is that you choose to follow these false prophets like sheep even when their "prophecies" come to nothing.

It it all the same to you I will continue to pray and fast and give the way I am supposed to and leave the lies and false prophecies to your leaders.

absolutly those are all hebrew names for God, the real one. also if you do a little history, every time the word in the bible was YHWH. instead of saying that name, they would use Adonai, which also means Lord

since allah is fake, the majoirty of his made up so called descriptive names
all start with a

AL or a AR.

none of the hebrew ever refer to allah, soory dude.

also even the arabic christians seperate The true God, from muslim fake god. they add to the word allah to keep it distinct from islam. i thought that was pretty awsome to.

but again. muslims (g)od lower (g) doesnt recognize YHWH so it doesnt matter what you want to use as a generic name, they are not the same.

allah is the moon god with 3 daughters.

and to address the false prophet stuff, corrupt and evil man have always tried to use religion to further there own wealth, thats in about any.

However the center Peice of my faith did not SIN, Jesus was blameless, and he did warn us of woves in sheep clothing, he also gave us a discerning spirit.


and back to the name arguement of Jesus, you know my name is different in japanese, but it is still my name, and while i may be in japan i may use it, but i dont use it when im in america, i use the american name.

some people want to use yeshua, its fine, but to not use Jesus cause its a english version is silly. You have no weight to this arguement. Even with Jews for Jesus, they imbrace both..

so stop going to your stoopid little bash the name of Jesus web sites and looking up stuff that has been refuted over and over.. all it takes dude is a little common since to figure this out.

However your just interested in trying to proove your point, and unfortunatly you dont have one to base a case off of.

and i do know stuff about your book, thats the bad part =\ but im sorry to tell you that is all it is a plagerized book, The book i have is the Holy Bible and it Comes from God..

yours came from a raging lunitic

Praxeas
05-19-2011, 12:27 AM
Shall I rename this thread "Is Islam a True Religion" and move it to another area?

Walks_in_islam
05-19-2011, 12:30 AM
Sadly it appears that you probably should. I can spar with this lot over in the islamic section.

Shall I rename this thread "Is Islam a True Religion" and move it to another area?

Walks_in_islam
05-19-2011, 12:39 AM
Hebrews did not speak arabic. LOL. Of course the arabic word for God is a different name.

The root words are the same. That is a fact and none of the dust you blow will erase that.

Your discerning spirits dont and never did discern that the false propets among you who travel from church to church spelling out their "prophecies" were in fact not correct. Instead your discerning spirits sit in front of them nodding and yelling and celebrating their message then do the same for the next batch. Currently they are targeting Muslims. No matter who they target you throw money and support at it. You for sure don't discern anything about it. Maybe your discerning spirit only applies outside your own doors? LOL

MAYBE just maybe when you discern what is right and wrong in your own buildings you can then look outside and discern what is right or wrong in ours. Sadly you have not managed the first.

One of you said if Mohammed was alive today he would be jailed for life. If Jesus were alive today he would be banned from your pulpits because his "beard is sinful".

Now go and sit and discern what sounds right about that sport.

absolutly those are all hebrew names for God, the real one. also if you do a little history, every time the word in the bible was YHWH. instead of saying that name, they would use Adonai, which also means Lord

since allah is fake, the majoirty of his made up so called descriptive names
all start with a

AL or a AR.

none of the hebrew ever refer to allah, soory dude.

also even the arabic christians seperate The true God, from muslim fake god. they add to the word allah to keep it distinct from islam. i thought that was pretty awsome to.

but again. muslims (g)od lower (g) doesnt recognize YHWH so it doesnt matter what you want to use as a generic name, they are not the same.

allah is the moon god with 3 daughters.

and to address the false prophet stuff, corrupt and evil man have always tried to use religion to further there own wealth, thats in about any.

However the center Peice of my faith did not SIN, Jesus was blameless, and he did warn us of woves in sheep clothing, he also gave us a discerning spirit.


and back to the name arguement of Jesus, you know my name is different in japanese, but it is still my name, and while i may be in japan i may use it, but i dont use it when im in america, i use the american name.

some people want to use yeshua, its fine, but to not use Jesus cause its a english version is silly. You have no weight to this arguement. Even with Jews for Jesus, they imbrace both..

so stop going to your stoopid little bash the name of Jesus web sites and looking up stuff that has been refuted over and over.. all it takes dude is a little common since to figure this out.

However your just interested in trying to proove your point, and unfortunatly you dont have one to base a case off of.

and i do know stuff about your book, thats the bad part =\ but im sorry to tell you that is all it is a plagerized book, The book i have is the Holy Bible and it Comes from God..

yours came from a raging lunitic

acerrak
05-19-2011, 05:11 AM
One of you said if Mohammed was alive today he would be jailed for life. If Jesus were alive today he would be banned from your pulpits because his "beard is sinful".

Now go and sit and discern what sounds right about that sport.

lol not mine, my pastor has a mustache and gotee, we dont knock facial hair.
and i am not in a apostolic church anymore. so i laugh at your little threat.

yea LIKE muslim imams, and clerics do any better, with there false pretense.

and that fact is the root words were already in hebrew and christian texts and scriptures long before the first stroke of the quran is proof enough

islam is like a deadly virus thats trying to spread over this earth, but there is a cure for it and His name is Jesus!

Sam
05-19-2011, 08:58 AM
Hebrews did not speak arabic. LOL. Of course the arabic word for God is a different name.

1. The root words are the same. That is a fact and none of the dust you blow will erase that.

2. Your discerning spirits dont and never did discern that the false propets among you who travel from church to church spelling out their "prophecies" were in fact not correct. ...

3.One of you said if Mohammed was alive today he would be jailed for life. If Jesus were alive today he would be banned from your pulpits because his "beard is sinful".

Now go and sit and discern what sounds right about that sport.

1. I don't know enough about Hebrew and Arabic and Aramaic to agree or disagree but I assume since they are all Semitic languages there are similarities in them and I can see how Elohim and Allah could be similar.

2. Yeah, we've got lots of "prophets" running around prophesying stuff and disagreeing among themselves, but don't Muslims have prophets disagreeing among themselves? I know that there are groups within the Christian Church we call cessationists that don't believe any of the gifts of the Spirit (like prophecy) are still operational. Aren't there groups within Islam that believe that way also?

3. I agree. Jesus wouldn't stand a chance in some of our churches. In some He would be considered a drunk and a glutton and a friend of sinners like He was considered by the holiness group among the Jews. In others He would be too conservative since He spoke about Hell and performed miracles.

Sam
05-19-2011, 09:09 AM
1. I don't know enough about Hebrew and Arabic and Aramaic to agree or disagree but I assume since they are all Semitic languages there are similarities in them and I can see how Elohim and Allah could be similar.

2. Yeah, we've got lots of "prophets" running around prophesying stuff and disagreeing among themselves, but don't Muslims have prophets disagreeing among themselves? I know that there are groups within the Christian Church we call cessationists that don't believe any of the gifts of the Spirit (like prophecy) are still operational. Aren't there groups within Islam that believe that way also?

3. I agree. Jesus wouldn't stand a chance in some of our churches. In some He would be considered a drunk and a glutton and a friend of sinners like He was considered by the holiness group among the Jews. In others He would be too conservative since He spoke about Hell and performed miracles.

I have not read the Koran so I can't talk about anything in there that I may agree or disagree with.

Christianity is based on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. I think the fact of His resurrection has been documented. There are apologists that specialize in addressing things like that but the tremendous change in the lives of those who saw Him alive after His resurrection and their willingness to die for Him shows me that they were convinced that He was still alive. The Romans acknowledged that the tomb was empty and the body was gone. All anyone had to do was produce the body of Jesus and Christianity would have collapsed. If someone sold Him for 30 pieces of silver, surely someone would have sold out if the body was hidden somewhere. My belief in Christianity is based on the resurrection of Jesus.

GISG
05-19-2011, 09:35 AM
It is not possible to know a person's heart or who that person worships from your seat. Warnings to watch what you DO not what you believe are sprinkled through both my book and yours. Whether you choose to follow them is your choice. Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things....... But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. .......But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God Who will render to every man according to his deeds You are not the only one who sits in comfort doing exactly what you were instructed not to do. You are not even the only one on this board LOL

By your own words you say you walk in Islam, therefore it is possible to judge what and who you worship. If you don't believe Islamic teachings, then say so and the dialouge changes.

You will note I am not condemning you, I judge and condemn Islam to be demonic and false teaching. And those who follow such teachings to have been duped, yet with life there is hope.

I don't expect you to understand the concept of God's teaching on judgement. You take His Word out of context and use Scritpure that does not fit the conversation. It's not surprising, but it does get tiresome.

Just remember it's not too late for you to turn to the One True God and obey His Word.

Sam
05-19-2011, 12:44 PM
Isa/Yeshua/Jesus did die on the cross.
He was buried.
He rose from the dead and appeared to many, even to over 500 at one time.
He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to this earth.

The statements above are true (according to my understanding of the Scriptures) and are the basic foundation of Christianity.

Romans 1:3-4 says that He was the seed of David according to the flesh and proven/validated/declared/demonstrated to be the Son of God by the resurrection from among the dead.

In John 2:18-22 Jesus predicted that He would die and that He (as God) would raise the Son of God from the dead.

In Revelation chapters 1, 2, and 3 Jesus Christ claims to be
Alpha and Omega,
Beginning and the End,
First and the Last,
The One who was dead but now is alive forevermore,
The Almighty.

As Jesus appeared to Saul of Tarsus on the road outside Damascus and convinced him that He is alive, I have heard of similar appearances and of dreams in which He has appeared to Muslims and they became believers. A while back I read (and I think I posted it on AFF) something from TBN reporting large numbers of conversion from Islam to Christianity. I can't prove any of these things. I don't know if they are deliberate falsehoods, urban legends with no historical basis, or actual events.

coadie
05-19-2011, 12:49 PM
absolutly those are all hebrew names for God, the real one. also if you do a little history, every time the word in the bible was YHWH. instead of saying that name, they would use Adonai, which also means Lord

since allah is fake, the majoirty of his made up so called descriptive names
all start with a

AL or a AR.

none of the hebrew ever refer to allah, soory dude.

also even the arabic christians seperate The true God, from muslim fake god. they add to the word allah to keep it distinct from islam. i thought that was pretty awsome to.

but again. muslims (g)od lower (g) doesnt recognize YHWH so it doesnt matter what you want to use as a generic name, they are not the same.

allah is the moon god with 3 daughters.

and to address the false prophet stuff, corrupt and evil man have always tried to use religion to further there own wealth, thats in about any.

However the center Peice of my faith did not SIN, Jesus was blameless, and he did warn us of woves in sheep clothing, he also gave us a discerning spirit.


and back to the name arguement of Jesus, you know my name is different in japanese, but it is still my name, and while i may be in japan i may use it, but i dont use it when im in america, i use the american name.

some people want to use yeshua, its fine, but to not use Jesus cause its a english version is silly. You have no weight to this arguement. Even with Jews for Jesus, they imbrace both..

so stop going to your stoopid little bash the name of Jesus web sites and looking up stuff that has been refuted over and over.. all it takes dude is a little common since to figure this out.

However your just interested in trying to proove your point, and unfortunatly you dont have one to base a case off of.

and i do know stuff about your book, thats the bad part =\ but im sorry to tell you that is all it is a plagerized book, The book i have is the Holy Bible and it Comes from God..

yours came from a raging lunitic

False religions start with an attempt for the camel to get his nose under the tent.

acerrak
05-19-2011, 02:58 PM
False religions start with an attempt for the camel to get his nose under the tent.

this one flew over my head, im not sure what to make of your post

Praxeas
05-19-2011, 03:37 PM
Since you guys want to discuss Islam so much and not Politics, I moved this thread to another forum

bbyrd009
04-18-2012, 08:51 PM
this one flew over my head, im not sure what to make of your post

I'm not sure where your's is quoted from, but I'm curious why you would say

but again. muslims God doesnt recognize YHWH...
and
allah is the moon god with 3 daughters

Do you mean, the Name YHWH? That might fly...sort of.
But the second, I have never heard that one; do you have a ref handy, by chance? Which Surah? Ty

And you are aware that the Bible will tell you that Kenites were made scribes? What do you think that means?
But to me it just means "you better verify;" we have lots of copies, I guess for this reason.

I'm also curious now if you have ever known any Muslims?

Praxeas
04-19-2012, 01:39 AM
Pre-Islamic Arab language and religion had a moon god named Allah supposedly.

Muslims have argued Allah is like the word Elohim or Eloah. It can and has been used of Pagan deities but that does not make "God" or "Allah" one of them

Walks_in_islam
04-20-2012, 05:10 AM
We have discussed this before. It is written in your own gospels that Jesus himself addressed God as Eli (eli eli lama sabachthani). The root word goes back thousands of years.

Pre-Islamic Arab language and religion had a moon god named Allah supposedly.

Muslims have argued Allah is like the word Elohim or Eloah. It can and has been used of Pagan deities but that does not make "God" or "Allah" one of them

bbyrd009
04-20-2012, 10:08 AM
It doesn't matter, WII, Oral has programmed them to exclude,
and even if you proved the truth to them, people of this stripe
would not see it. That attitude simply does not sell enough guns.

Walks_in_islam
04-20-2012, 06:54 PM
Best to kick the log over and shine the light. Those who should scatter will and those who do scatter will do it with dispatch.

Allah himself gifted all of us with the ability to think and reason and work out what is true or not true based on what is put in front of us to see

It doesn't matter, WII, Oral has programmed them to exclude,
and even if you proved the truth to them, people of this stripe
would not see it. That attitude simply does not sell enough guns.

bbyrd009
04-20-2012, 07:24 PM
Best to kick the log over and shine the light. Those who should scatter will and those who do scatter will do it with dispatch.

Allah himself gifted all of us with the ability to think and reason and work out what is true or not true based on what is put in front of us to see

Amen, but all those who would see are not graduated from the Bible college, or are sure not in "affiliated" churches. Good luck

Walks_in_islam
04-21-2012, 07:27 AM
<grins> The graduates generally scatter.

The truly lost are those who take given talents, one of which is the gift of logic and reason and ability to discern from factual words, and then deliberately choose to hide them ( say for instance "under bushels")


Amen, but all those who would see are not graduated from the Bible college, or are sure not in "affiliated" churches. Good luck

bbyrd009
04-21-2012, 08:20 AM
<grins> The graduates generally scatter.

The truly lost are those who take given talents, one of which is the gift of logic and reason and ability to discern from factual words, and then deliberately choose to hide them ( say for instance "under bushels")

Amen.
However, there are degrees here, of "deliberate" and even "factual,"
and we are led by degrees? It is possible to be led to a place a little at a time that one would never start out to reach, or accept all at once, yes?

It seems to me that it is the others who are scattered, and the graduates become affiliated into the mainstream.

Walks_in_islam
04-22-2012, 06:42 AM
My views on the difference between what I experienced by actually living in the Middle east and what I read here about the middle east was probably best summarized by Twain (LOL)

It liberates the vandal to travel--you never saw a bigoted, opinionated, stubborn, narrow-minded, self-conceited, almighty mean man in your life but he had stuck in one place since he was born and thought God made the world and dyspepsia and bile for his especial comfort and satisfaction.

- The American Abroad speech, 1868


Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

- Innocents Abroad


Amen.
However, there are degrees here, of "deliberate" and even "factual,"
and we are led by degrees? It is possible to be led to a place a little at a time that one would never start out to reach, or accept all at once, yes?

It seems to me that it is the others who are scattered, and the graduates become affiliated into the mainstream.

bbyrd009
04-22-2012, 08:32 AM
My views on the difference between what I experienced by actually living in the Middle east and what I read here about the middle east was probably best summarized by Twain (LOL)

It liberates the vandal to travel--you never saw a bigoted, opinionated, stubborn, narrow-minded, self-conceited, almighty mean man in your life but he had stuck in one place since he was born and thought God made the world and dyspepsia and bile for his especial comfort and satisfaction.

- The American Abroad speech, 1868


Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

- Innocents Abroad

Well put. I never quite realized this in connection with my faith, but have noted other advantages to being a vagabond.
I do see that if one lives in a city or even larger town in the US, there is a completely diff world, right down the street; but if you go there with a closed mind, you may as well stay home.

I was mostly struck by how I was treated when in need; I had but to ask, to be "taken in;" might be ten people in a two-room house, but full of love--compare that to being in need in a Christian neighborhood, two rooms for every person...