Apostolic Study Bible

[PastorTLArt]

I have been interested in producing an Apostolic Study Bible for years, I would love to know how much interest there would be in having one if it was available and having input on features that folks would like to see in the study notes.

I recently bought a new bible and it has a great format and awesome notes and it re-sparked my interest in this project.

Please give my feedback if your interested!

[kingdomapostle]

Interested. :)

[Michael The Disciple]

So do you mean Apostolic in the Godhead and the new birth? Or Apostolic as in the full counsel of God?

[acerrak]

I had done one from home over the computer, sorta like a correspondance course. stuff went realy deep. I let my pastor look at it.

But being honest it was some times difficult to understand and follow. exspecially the test which was like a college entry type.

Keep them simple and focus on onething at a time. done skip around on topic with in a topic.

I.E. if you talk about baptism stay on baptism.

We have a 15 or 16 lessons reffered to as discipleship courses. very similiar to what your wanting todo. So they can be good.

[Sam]

Apostolics can't even agree among ourselves on what is Apostolic and what is not. Would it be three-stepper or one-stepper as far as salvation? Would it emphasize cookie cutter clothesline holiness? What about eschatology --we (Apostolics) vary all over the map on that. What about tv, movies, DVD's, and computers? How much if any jewelry would be allowed. Would it recognize people as saved if they are outside the UPC?

Pentecostal Publishing House offers a Thompson Chain Bible edition which contains a 32 page insert on Oneness doctrine.

[Sam]

Do we need another study Bible?

[acerrak]

Do we need another study Bible?

i wouldnt mind the 1940s upc 1 stepper bible study myself. Im not the big fan of the 3 step view.

though the three step view wouldnt bother me so bad, its just the evidence part they tend to tack on at the end i dont agree with. as i dont agree its the only sign of the Holy spirit, is it a sign yes, the only one ?? no

[Falla39]

i wouldnt mind the 1940s upc 1 stepper bible study myself. Im not the big fan of the 3 step view.

though the three step view wouldnt bother me so bad, its just the evidence part they tend to tack on at the end i dont agree with. as i dont agree its the only sign of the Holy spirit, is it a sign yes, the only one ?? no

What is the sign that a new baby is alive. The initial sign? A certain sound.
A cry from it's innermost being. There will be other signs as the child in fed,
nurtured and cared for. There will be signs of growth, just as a tree grows.
In the fulness of time when that child/tree becomes fully mature, it will bear
fruit. You will know it by what it produces/reproduces. The fruit doesn't fall
far from the tree. There may be hinderances in the child's/tree's growth, but
you will know them by their fruit. Good fruit comes from a good tree. If a child
is "trained up in the way it SHOULD go, by the parents, and when it becomes
an adult, and becomes born again, it should be like the mature, godly parents
that produced it. There will be stages of growth, and just as there are stages
of natural growth, there will be stages of spiritual growth.

My thoughts anyway.

Falla39

[faithit166]

what is a one stepper is that repentance only

[faithit166]

What is the sign that a new baby is alive. The initial sign? A certain sound.
A cry from it's innermost being. There will be other signs as the child in fed,
nurtured and cared for. There will be signs of growth, just as a tree grows.
In the fulness of time when that child/tree becomes fully mature, it will bear
fruit. You will know it by what it produces/reproduces. The fruit doesn't fall
far from the tree. There may be hinderances in the child's/tree's growth, but
you will know them by their fruit. Good fruit comes from a good tree. If a child
is "trained up in the way it SHOULD go, by the parents, and when it becomes
an adult, and becomes born again, it should be like the mature, godly parents
that produced it. There will be stages of growth, and just as there are stages
of natural growth, there will be stages of spiritual growth.

My thoughts anyway.

Falla39

amen falla makes perfect sense to me

[acerrak]

What is the sign that a new baby is alive. The initial sign? A certain sound.
A cry from it's innermost being. There will be other signs as the child in fed,
nurtured and cared for. There will be signs of growth, just as a tree grows.
In the fulness of time when that child/tree becomes fully mature, it will bear
fruit. You will know it by what it produces/reproduces. The fruit doesn't fall
far from the tree. There may be hinderances in the child's/tree's growth, but
you will know them by their fruit. Good fruit comes from a good tree. If a child
is "trained up in the way it SHOULD go, by the parents, and when it becomes
an adult, and becomes born again, it should be like the mature, godly parents
that produced it. There will be stages of growth, and just as there are stages
of natural growth, there will be stages of spiritual growth.

My thoughts anyway.

Falla39

we could explain that away or we could look at what the word says. first I must have a bible verse that speaking in tounges is the initial evidence. I need a verse that specifically states this. Cause were talking doctrinal foundation.

secondly not only did some speak in tounges but some prophesied, do we all now have to prophesy?

Jesus also said in Mark 16:17
And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues
they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well

we just cant go on (makes since to me) we need scriptural proof that the only evidence of the holy spirit is tounges.

Do i agree it is a evidence yes is it the only one No.
Paul Himself stated do all speak with tounges asking a rhetoric question meaning NO.

So since we do not have specific verses stating this we cannot go on the baby makes a sound when it cries. what i can agree with you on is the fruit.

Regardless if they spoke in tounges or not, a good tree will produce fruit for the Lord, and that is exactly how Jesus said you will know them. Not by the sound of a baby cry

[Sam]

we could explain that away or we could look at what the word says. first I must have a bible verse that speaking in tounges is the initial evidence. I need a verse that specifically states this. Cause were talking doctrinal foundation.

secondly not only did some speak in tounges but some prophesied, do we all now have to prophesy?

Jesus also said in Mark 16:17
And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues
they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well

we just cant go on (makes since to me) we need scriptural proof that the only evidence of the holy spirit is tounges.

Do i agree it is a evidence yes is it the only one No.
Paul Himself stated do all speak with tounges asking a rhetoric question meaning NO.

So since we do not have specific verses stating this we cannot go on the baby makes a sound when it cries. what i can agree with you on is the fruit.

Regardless if they spoke in tounges or not, a good tree will produce fruit for the Lord, and that is exactly how Jesus said you will know them. Not by the sound of a baby cry


Well, Bro.
You've turned off some that call themselves Apostolic with that post.
They wouldn't think a Bible could be called "Apostolic" if it had teaching like that in it.

[Sam]

This forum is made up of Apostolics with various opinions, thoughts, beliefs, and teaching. We don't agree among ourselves on many things. Some of us actually think nobody is "Apostolic" if they don't agree with us. And this forum is representative of many others who call themselves Apostolic. How could we ever have a Study Bible that could be called "Apostolic" and represent such diversity?

[acerrak]

This forum is made up of Apostolics with various opinions, thoughts, beliefs, and teaching. We don't agree among ourselves on many things. Some of us actually think nobody is "Apostolic" if they don't agree with us. And this forum is representative of many others who call themselves Apostolic. How could we ever have a Study Bible that could be called "Apostolic" and represent such diversity?

i dont know i go to a apostolic church, am i not apostolic?
just cause i do not except the initial evidence doctrine does that make me a non apostolic?

If there was such a verse in the Bible that states with evidence of speaking in tounges attached to acts 2:38 then i would have no room to make such a claim. However you know as well as i do there are many conversions in the bible, and not even half of them talk about about tounges.

To much pressure is placed on people going down to the alter to speak in tounges and there begging God for it.. when God said the Spirit is a free Gift. Not the evidence of tounges.

Tounges is a gift of the Spirit, just as much is faith miracles, prophesies.

We just try to limit one experience and state if you dont have this experience your not saved.. <- bro. sam that isnt biblical

[Sam]

...I recently bought a new bible and it has a great format and awesome notes and it re-sparked my interest in this project....


What Study Bible did you buy?
What do you like about it?

I have several study Bibles.
I have the
MacArthur Study Bible (John MacArthur)
Prophecy Study Bible (John Hagee)
1599 Geneva Study Bible (not really a study Bible but has lots of notes in it)
Spirit Filled Life Bible (Jack Hayford, General Editor)

I recently purchased the Life In The Spirit Study Bible for my wife

I have recommended both the Spirit Filled Life Bible and the Life in the Spirit Study Bible to people and have given away copies of both.

[Falla39]

There are Bible studies and there are Bible studies! Then there are the things that the HOLY GHOST teaches!

John 14:26
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 Cor. 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

There are those who have a teachable spirit, and there are those you can't tell or teach much, and some you can't teach or tell anything!

Not to be offensive, but endeavoring to speak the truth in love! The love of God shed abroad in my heart by the Holy Ghost! Rom. 5:5

Many in many churches read the Bible, but without the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit to open their understanding, they cannot understand the things of the Spirit. Those are the things which the Holy Ghost teaches.

If the Holy Ghost/Spirit, same thing, was not important, there would be no reason for Jesus to go to the cross and die. GOD had a plan for the redemption of mankind. It was not to STOP with the message and baptism of John the Baptist. That was only to prepare the people that there was ONE coming after John, and HE would baptize them with the HOLY GHOST and Fire.

My best friend in school went to the local A of G church. She married the pastor's son. I graduated with both of them over fifty years ago. I visited her church a few times with her as we lived around the corner from the A of G church. That was before my late father began the church we still attend with three generations of our family. This is not counting my husband of almost 50 years, (will be next month), and I.
My friend explained when I visited with her, that the people at the alter were getting saved. Then they would get baptized and get the power if they wanted it. Today they are members of the large B------ church in our city.

When the Holy Spirit comes in, there will be a sign that the Spirit has made a connection with that person. I cannot understand why a person would argue that you don't have to speak with tongues. You don't have to, but if you want/desire to receive the Spirit, you will seek HIM with your whole heart. Having observed and been in the church all of my 71 yrs, I have observed those who did not receive the Holy Ghost, but claimed they had it, and there is a marked difference in those who did and those who didn't speak in tongues, AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERENCE!! Why not be open, and have a teachable spirit and receive ALL that GOD has for us. I received the Holy Ghost at 18 yrs, 53 yrs ago this summer. I still hunger for more of HIM! So many stop short of the greatest experience GOD has for mankind.

A person may received the Holy Spirit and like an infant, that is not fed, die spiritually. Babies seem to be born hungry. So should the newborn infant desire the sincere milk of the Word that it should grow there. Paul taught on that. Then later, if a person does not walk in the Spirit, you will see the fulfilling of the flesh. It's what spirit that is fed the most. The human spirit or the Holy Spirit.

Falla39

[Lafon]

This forum is made up of Apostolics with various opinions, thoughts, beliefs, and teaching. We don't agree among ourselves on many things. Some of us actually think nobody is "Apostolic" if they don't agree with us. And this forum is representative of many others who call themselves Apostolic. How could we ever have a Study Bible that could be called "Apostolic" and represent such diversity?


You've just explained, in so many words, (IMHO, that is) the basic, elementary reason for the "INEFFECTIVENESS" of the Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal Church that is present in the earth today........ DIVISENESS AMONG IT'S MEMBERS!

Please note what Paul advises about the underlying cause for "divisions among you:" (I Corinthians 11:17-19)

Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together NOT FOR THE BETTER, BUT FOR THE WORSE.
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be DIVISIONS AMONG YOU; and I partly believe it.
For there MUST BE ALSO HERESIES AMONG YOU.....

Instead of dwelling upon the things which brings about DIVISIONS among us, perhaps we would be better served if we focused our attention more towards trying to determine what the "heresies" are which has caused them!

Just my thoughts about the matter..... So, yes, I believe any type of Bible study that is designed to accomplish this is worthwhile.

[acerrak]

There are Bible studies and there are Bible studies! Then there are the things that the HOLY GHOST teaches!

John 14:26
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 Cor. 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

There are those who have a teachable spirit, and there are those you can't tell or teach much, and some you can't teach or tell anything!

Not to be offensive, but endeavoring to speak the truth in love! The love of God shed abroad in my heart by the Holy Ghost! Rom. 5:5

Many in many churches read the Bible, but without the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit to open their understanding, they cannot understand the things of the Spirit. Those are the things which the Holy Ghost teaches.

If the Holy Ghost/Spirit, same thing, was not important, there would be no reason for Jesus to go to the cross and die. GOD had a plan for the redemption of mankind. It was not to STOP with the message and baptism of John the Baptist. That was only to prepare the people that there was ONE coming after John, and HE would baptize them with the HOLY GHOST and Fire.

My best friend in school went to the local A of G church. She married the pastor's son. I graduated with both of them over fifty years ago. I visited her church a few times with her as we lived around the corner from the A of G church. That was before my late father began the church we still attend with three generations of our family. This is not counting my husband of almost 50 years, (will be next month), and I.
My friend explained when I visited with her, that the people at the alter were getting saved. Then they would get baptized and get the power if they wanted it. Today they are members of the large B------ church in our city.

When the Holy Spirit comes in, there will be a sign that the Spirit has made a connection with that person. I cannot understand why a person would argue that you don't have to speak with tongues. You don't have to, but if you want/desire to receive the Spirit, you will seek HIM with your whole heart. Having observed and been in the church all of my 71 yrs, I have observed those who did not receive the Holy Ghost, but claimed they had it, and there is a marked difference in those who did and those who didn't speak in tongues, AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERENCE!! Why not be open, and have a teachable spirit and receive ALL that GOD has for us. I received the Holy Ghost at 18 yrs, 53 yrs ago this summer. I still hunger for more of HIM! So many stop short of the greatest experience GOD has for mankind.

A person may received the Holy Spirit and like an infant, that is not fed, die spiritually. Babies seem to be born hungry. So should the newborn infant desire the sincere milk of the Word that it should grow there. Paul taught on that. Then later, if a person does not walk in the Spirit, you will see the fulfilling of the flesh. It's what spirit that is fed the most. The human spirit or the Holy Spirit.

Falla39

im not against the Holy ghost falla im just against the initial evidence doctrine that we must speak with tounges to be saved falla
there is a woman falla, who is not pentacostal, as far as i know doesnt speak with tounges, but goes around in different places and showes the Jesus Film.

after words they bring out the deaf people, she sticks her fingers in their ears and they hear.

your caught up looking for a sign. I have seen people just as devoted to God who have never spoke in tounges, who worship and praise Him the same. shrug maybe you need to get out more.

The fact is Not everyone in the book of acts is recorded speaking in tounges.
Not only that i see people come time and time again and again falla to the alter begging and pleading in tounges. but never speak it. After awhile they leave. They think God doesnt love them.

There is to many holes in the initial evidence doctrine. Not even william symour preached it like upci does today.

[PastorTLArt]

What Study Bible did you buy?
What do you like about it?

I have several study Bibles.
I have the
MacArthur Study Bible (John MacArthur)
Prophecy Study Bible (John Hagee)
1599 Geneva Study Bible (not really a study Bible but has lots of notes in it)
Spirit Filled Life Bible (Jack Hayford, General Editor)

I recently purchased the Life In The Spirit Study Bible for my wife

I have recommended both the Spirit Filled Life Bible and the Life in the Spirit Study Bible to people and have given away copies of both.


I recently bought the American Patriot's Bible. I have so many study bibles in my library that the list could take up a whole thread lol.

the APB isnt so much a study bible as it is just a great bible that relates to the spirit of patriotism in me as a citizen of this great and blessed nation.

[Falla39]

im not against the Holy ghost falla im just against the initial evidence doctrine that we must speak with tounges to be saved falla
there is a woman falla, who is not pentacostal, as far as i know doesnt speak with tounges, but goes around in different places and showes the Jesus Film.

after words they bring out the deaf people, she sticks her fingers in their ears and they hear.

your caught up looking for a sign. I have seen people just as devoted to God who have never spoke in tounges, who worship and praise Him the same. shrug maybe you need to get out more.

The fact is Not everyone in the book of acts is recorded speaking in tounges.
Not only that i see people come time and time again and again falla to the alter begging and pleading in tounges. but never speak it. After awhile they leave. They think God doesnt love them.

There is to many holes in the initial evidence doctrine. Not even william symour preached it like upci does today.

Acerrak,

Have you ever spoken in tongues, AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERANCE?

Falla39

[acerrak]

Acerrak,

Have you ever spoken in tongues, AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERANCE?

Falla39

I had the privelage of growing up outside the apostolic church.
I was a very self centered man, who was addicted to many things. My marriage was being torn apart, i even had a past suicide attempt.

My brother went to a doctor for his back, had a disc out. Doctor looked at Him basically said he doesnt know how he is walking or moving. Not because of his back, but because of his heart.

His heart was in such a condition that The doctor compared him to being on life support. So surgery was set. The doctor told him the chance of you surviving this isnt good.

stuff like this wrecks your world, a bad back goes into heart problems. So us being sinners, got ahold of religious folk. To pray for him and everything.

He said im gonna go to church sunday, and he was sorta scared and i told him i would go with him.

We went to a trinitarian charasmatic church of God. The message was about the Lost sheep. How God seeks out the Lost sheep, picks them up and puts them on His shoulder and brings them Home.

we both fell under conviction and we both went to the alter and prayed.
That little trip to the alter Killed addictions that have had a hold of my life for almost 7+ years. I didnt speak in tounges. I didnt run around the isles. I shed some tears and prayed.


From that moment on. I started reading the bible, started praying, and got my family in church as well. Still no tounges. Later i would get envolved in ministry, and teach But no tounges.

I didnt speak in tounges untill i started praying for the gifts of the Spirit to start working in my life, Since then i have spoken in tounges interepreted tounges, Prophesied, layed hands on the sick. But none of it was my doing it was the Spirit.

I had the Spirit since i came to the alter. Problem with pentacostals is this initial evidence doctrine didnt pop up till the 1900's and while i agree the some people do speak with tounges, Not all do. and to say they all do is not biblical.

even paul stated does all speak with tounges. with a rhetoric No.
The problem is no one wants to see the fruit they all wait at the alter for the "sign" ok you spoke something dont know what it was but you got the Holy Ghost.

I have seen people filled with the Spirit and Not speak with tounges, watch them take off dancing shouting GLORY GLORY GLORY. But again the denomination like the upci will tell you, yes you may had a experience but we want it to be about this experience.

UPCI Quote.. UNless you have recieved the Holy Ghost and experienced Speaking in tounges as the Spirit has given utterance, then you are Not saved.

Now find that for me in the bible fella. <- proove the scripture.

Did you know that ephesians 2:8-9 the word Gift in it is charisma, the gift of God is eternal life. its the same word describing the gifts (charisma) of the Spirit.

Tounges are a gift of the Spirit, just like faith, prophesies, etc. Problem is we have isolated one Gift and stated it must be this one, and if it doesnt happen then your still a carnal minded man.

The people on the day of pentacost spoke in languages other people can understand. People could hear them in their native tounges. I however have no clue what people speak today.

Paul when describing the gifts of the Spirit, said we speak mysteries in the Spirit, we speak in the language of men and angels. Sister this was describing the Gift of the Spirit. The gift of tounges.

If it was like the day of pentacost when a person spoke in tounges, the spanish people sitiing in the church should hear them praise God in spanish, so its not the same Cloven fire tounges that they recieved. its the Gift of tounges. Since it is a gift of tounges we dont need to make a initial evidence doctrine out of it.

[seekerman]

Sigh. If everyone simply agreed with me we wouldn't have these divisions!!

[acerrak]

Sigh. If everyone simply agreed with me we wouldn't have these divisions!!

doh.... Lets agree with Jesus. Many things we debate an fuss over is really tidbits
its when things are turned into a heaven and hell issue when they were not ment to be is were doctrines and people get devided.

some say you must do this to be saved, or do that, when in fact you cant do anything to save yourself. God has done it all for you, in saving people through His Son.

Its the interpretations of man that is dividing us. Babylon means confusion. Some preachers refer to christianity as being the babylon.

[Falla39]

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Falla39

[houston]

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Falla39

So because he disagrees with you he's following man's way???? This is a pattern of yours. You disagree with someone, but rather than discuss the point of contention you post a scripture that is condemning to the person that you disagree with. Then when the person that you targeted responds to you, you say that you weren't posting against the person, you were making something like a generalization. Many don't agree with you. Maybe you are on the path that is right in your own eyes. The beautiful thing about that is, man always believes he is following God.

[Falla39]

Houston,
I am not condemning anyone. Just posted a scripture. Who are you trying
to condemn!

[acerrak]

So because he disagrees with you he's following man's way???? This is a pattern of yours. You disagree with someone, but rather than discuss the point of contention you post a scripture that is condemning to the person that you disagree with. Then when the person that you targeted responds to you, you say that you weren't posting against the person, you were making something like a generalization. Many don't agree with you. Maybe you are on the path that is right in your own eyes. The beautiful thing about that is, man always believes he is following God.

nice you predicted the response. and was right

[Falla39]

Houston and Acerrak,

I don't feel (after praying about it) to discuss anything with either of you.
Houston,(and all the other names you have posted under) and Acerrak, I
don't believe either of you, with your present mindset, would be able to SEE
(comprehend) anything I would say. No need of me sayng anything further to
either of you.

Falla39

[acerrak]

Houston and Acerrak,

I don't feel (after praying about it) to discuss anything with either of you.
Houston,(and all the other names you have posted under) and Acerrak, I
don't believe either of you, with your present mindset, would be able to SEE
(comprehend) anything I would say. No need of me sayng anything further to
either of you.

Falla39

its ok i dont have to proove myself to you. But your insulting both of us declaring that we are not in the right mindset. in essence you have just set yourself above us in doing so with your comment. its just like many of 3 steppers, every one who doesnt understand my way their just carnal minded sinners.

I know what my eyes have seen, and unlike you have experienced God outside the apostolic world, and if i Deny that i would be denying God Himself.
Its not me who has the blinders on its you.

Ive seen healing. Miracles, answered prayers, from people who have been baptized in matt 28:19 . who will never again get rebaptized. maybe you should get out and go to a trinity pentacostal church and watch the spirit fall, and then ask God why do you do this... why do you pour out your greatest Gift on trinitraians who dont preach Jesus name baptism or speaking in tounges as a salvation experience.

He is gonna tell you what He told me.. I go were people Love Me.

you act as if we are on the wide road which is not true.
The problem is many people when challanged to show their point run.

Its ok,

I have studied. I dont just take peoples words for it. For awhile i believed acts 2:38 (with evidence of tounges) however brother/sister you will not find the last part in any bible, pentacostals have added those 4 words to acts 2:38

its a add on that came about in the 1900. If you have been in pentacost all these years then you should know this. its in the history books

William seymour, (read his work) did not preach tounges . He preached Jesus. He was a 1 stepper and eventually went methodist. he stated that all the gifts was present in asuza street.

again im not against tounges its a gift of the Spirit of God,

[Dagwood]

I'm content with just agreeing to disagree. As I have, myself, learned there is only one God who was, and is, and is to come. He sits on the throne, not me. Not you. Perhaps the reason why so many non-believers view believers in such a negative sense is because of all the back-and-forth amongst ourselves.

With that being said, actions speak louder than words. And, at the end of the day, God knows the heart, mind, and soul of every person He created. Sometimes we act upon what's in our heart; others we act upon what's on our mind. And He will be the one to make the determination on just how sincere we are in pursuing His truth, aside from man's differences among ourselves. One thing we cannot forget is that the adversary is lurking about all over the world. He can do everything God can do except save our soul. How scary is that? It's also important to remember to seek out our own salvation with fear and trembling.

Just trying to be neutral in this...

[acerrak]

Just trying to be neutral in this...

Christianity today with all these denominations and traditions has become babylon.. confusion.

Jesus spoke you will always know his disciples by there fruits.

[PastorTLArt]

its ok i dont have to proove myself to you. But your insulting both of us declaring that we are not in the right mindset. in essence you have just set yourself above us in doing so with your comment. its just like many of 3 steppers, every one who doesnt understand my way their just carnal minded sinners.

I know what my eyes have seen, and unlike you have experienced God outside the apostolic world, and if i Deny that i would be denying God Himself.
Its not me who has the blinders on its you.

Ive seen healing. Miracles, answered prayers, from people who have been baptized in matt 28:19 . who will never again get rebaptized. maybe you should get out and go to a trinity pentacostal church and watch the spirit fall, and then ask God why do you do this... why do you pour out your greatest Gift on trinitraians who dont preach Jesus name baptism or speaking in tounges as a salvation experience.

He is gonna tell you what He told me.. I go were people Love Me.

you act as if we are on the wide road which is not true.
The problem is many people when challanged to show their point run.

Its ok,

I have studied. I dont just take peoples words for it. For awhile i believed acts 2:38 (with evidence of tounges) however brother/sister you will not find the last part in any bible, pentacostals have added those 4 words to acts 2:38

its a add on that came about in the 1900. If you have been in pentacost all these years then you should know this. its in the history books

William seymour, (read his work) did not preach tounges . He preached Jesus. He was a 1 stepper and eventually went methodist. he stated that all the gifts was present in asuza street.

again im not against tounges its a gift of the Spirit of God,


Acerrak, I agree with you! My Grandfather was the first man I ever knew that spoke in tongues, and my childhood pastors wife was the first women I ever heard speak in tongues, and guess what, BOTH of them were BAPTIST who had been baptized in the titles. We didnt come to the Revelation of who Jesus is until several years after my grandfather passed away, so, I guess neither he not Sis M followed a 3 step plan, guess God just gives as he will!!!!!

[Word Warrior]

I'm with Michael, and I also disagree with Sam. We need something that teaches and explains everything that Christians need to learn and to know in order to be perfected in the knowledge of God by the working of His Spirit until we all come to the unity of the faith. Apostolic have the basics down and are true Christians and not false, but when it comes to the deeper matters of the word, most are clueless. Fortunately not all. Someone like Jason Dulle, William Arnold, or Dave Huston would be good ones to consult. Still many will condone evil, pagan worship practices like Christmas and Easter, while telling men that they must shave (military?) and get ready for the secret rapture, which could be any minute. Really, we need to focus on proper exegesis (biblical research) and hermeneutics (biblical interpretation).

Unfortunately, the Baptists and other false Christians are the ones seeking to properly interpret the scriptures and go deeper with God. It is too bad that they're eyes are blinded to the basic truths of Oneness and salvation in Jesus Christ alone. We need a restoration of the true assemply of believers ("church") who will surpass the false Christians in their good and accurate biblical, historical, archeological, and scientific research. May God's Spirit enlighten us to stand up and win this spiritual war against the enemies of God's truth.

They guard their findings and deeper truths in their Theological Seminaries and Bible Colleges and first indoctrinate people before exposing them to the truth of God's Word and how to properly handle it. Finally, there is an apostolic, true, full counsel of God, Seminary on the Web which submits all alleged truths to the test of the holy scriptures rather than submitting the scriptures to the test of man's opinion. This school is not outrageously priced, it is very affordable for EVERYONE, with courses in the tens of dollars instead of in the hundreds and even thousands like other seminaries. Up to 5 people can study under one program, and everyone does not need to pay the tuition costs; they can split it. There are even FREE certificate programs coming soon! Join us in equipping and getting equipped for GOD'S calling on our lives!

It's not about us, nor the word of man, it's the Word of God that will never fade away. Let us learn it, love it, do it, teach it, and freely share it with the world. God is calling you all. Are you listening? Here I am, Lord! Here I am!

Thank you for listening and for checking out the ministry of Word Seminary!
Grace and peace be with you all who are in Christ Jesus, and truth to all!

Come and let us sit at the feet of the Master! www.wordseminary.com

[Michael The Disciple]

Word Warrior,

Welcome to the Forum! Good to see you here my friend.

[Nitehawk013]

Where did the church start? Acts 2. What happened when the holy ghost fell on them? They spoke in tongues.

Sounds pretty "initial" to me.

[lluv4Christ1]

Study tools are okay, but I've seen many that adhere to other things among many that is of their interpretation. I tend to do a background check on the company (such as Thomas Nelson), before making a purchase. As a young convert, one can easily be deceived if you're new in the word of God. I do find them helpful at times for history purposes, and I use the strong's concordance and Lexicon for study of the greek and hebrew text. There were things in their as well that did not line up, so I had to pray for spiritual discernment. The ultimate teacher though is having the Spirit of Christ (Holy Ghost) because He teaches us all things. Before it was just reading the bible before, and I thought i was learning something without having the Spirit of God, but now it comes as I grow, and I pray in tongues everyday as well for spiritual guidance.

[lluv4Christ1]

I'm with Michael, and I also disagree with Sam. We need something that teaches and explains everything that Christians need to learn and to know in order to be perfected in the knowledge of God by the working of His Spirit until we all come to the unity of the faith. Apostolic have the basics down and are true Christians and not false, but when it comes to the deeper matters of the word, most are clueless. Fortunately not all. Someone like Jason Dulle, William Arnold, or Dave Huston would be good ones to consult. Still many will condone evil, pagan worship practices like Christmas and Easter, while telling men that they must shave (military?) and get ready for the secret rapture, which could be any minute. Really, we need to focus on proper exegesis (biblical research) and hermeneutics (biblical interpretation).

Unfortunately, the Baptists and other false Christians are the ones seeking to properly interpret the scriptures and go deeper with God. It is too bad that they're eyes are blinded to the basic truths of Oneness and salvation in Jesus Christ alone. We need a restoration of the true assemply of believers ("church") who will surpass the false Christians in their good and accurate biblical, historical, archeological, and scientific research. May God's Spirit enlighten us to stand up and win this spiritual war against the enemies of God's truth.

They guard their findings and deeper truths in their Theological Seminaries and Bible Colleges and first indoctrinate people before exposing them to the truth of God's Word and how to properly handle it. Finally, there is an apostolic, true, full counsel of God, Seminary on the Web which submits all alleged truths to the test of the holy scriptures rather than submitting the scriptures to the test of man's opinion. This school is not outrageously priced, it is very affordable for EVERYONE, with courses in the tens of dollars instead of in the hundreds and even thousands like other seminaries. Up to 5 people can study under one program, and everyone does not need to pay the tuition costs; they can split it. There are even FREE certificate programs coming soon! Join us in equipping and getting equipped for GOD'S calling on our lives!

It's not about us, nor the word of man, it's the Word of God that will never fade away. Let us learn it, love it, do it, teach it, and freely share it with the world. God is calling you all. Are you listening? Here I am, Lord! Here I am!

Thank you for listening and for checking out the ministry of Word Seminary!
Grace and peace be with you all who are in Christ Jesus, and truth to all!

Come and let us sit at the feet of the Master! www.wordseminary.com

I definitely agree with you. Many churches have "departed from the faith". I have close friends that try to argue me down, and say that the Word of God was "written by man". True, but is of NO private interpretation, and was divinely inspired (God-breathed) to be written as the prophets and apostles were moved by the Holy Ghost. If a person wants to have their opinion on the Word of God, then that's fine, I do not want to argue, that's something that must be taken up with God. A lot of churches baptize after "tradition", and preach after "tradition".

And by the way great site for Word Seminary, and checked out the "statement of faith". *thumbs up*

[Sam]

Anybody know anything about a Bible that Sid Roth has available?
It would be from a Jewish/Christian viewpoint.

[FlamingZword]

I have been interested in producing an Apostolic Study Bible for years, I would love to know how much interest there would be in having one if it was available and having input on features that folks would like to see in the study notes.

I recently bought a new bible and it has a great format and awesome notes and it re-sparked my interest in this project.

Please give my feedback if your interested!

I have already been working on the New Apostolic Bible for years, and also I am working concurrently on an Apostolic Commentary.

It has not been easy, and I have not made a lot of progress, since I have a full time job and many other obligations.

I had to abandon some of the Study Aids I wanted to add to this Apostolic Bible for a future Study Version, which I plan on beggining once I get the basic Apostolic Bible published.

I hope to have the Basic New Testament finished by February 2012, (in two months) it will be the first version, with a revision coming in in 2014 or 2015 depending on the time available, at the rate I am going, I hope to have the first version of the Old Testament finished by 2017 and a revision done before 2020.

I wish I had more time to work on it, but I have a family to support.

[FlamingZword]

Well I expected to have the New Testament finished by February 2012
But actually ended up publishing it in March 2013.

I published the Hispanic version 6 months later.
Since it was a rush job, I am currently working on revising the Hispanic Version. I expect to have the Hispanic version revision finished before the end of 2014.

I am also revising and adding to the Jesus name Appendix.

The Apostolic commentary will not be coming for a long time, (I have to finish the Old Testament part of "The Holy Apostolic Bible" first) I wish some apostolic brethren would get tired of using the Trinitarians commentaries and start working on an Apostolic commentary on the whole Bible, I am sick and tired of using the Trinitarian study tools, that is why I started "The Holy Apostolic Bible" so my brethren would not have to go thru the Trinitarian verbiage while studying the word of God.

I really wish some group of Holy Spirit filled Apostolic Men and women too, would get together and decide to create a good solid Apostolic scholarly Commentary on the whole Bible. If no one does, then when I have the time, sometime in the future, I will simply go back and finish the Apostolic Commentary I have begun.

[Michael The Disciple]

Well I expected to have the New Testament finished by February 2012
But actually ended up publishing it in March 2013.

I published the Hispanic version 6 months later.
Since it was a rush job, I am currently working on revising the Hispanic Version. I expect to have the Hispanic version revision finished before the end of 2014.

I am also revising and adding to the Jesus name Appendix.

The Apostolic commentary will not be coming for a long time, (I have to finish the Old Testament part of "The Holy Apostolic Bible" first) I wish some apostolic brethren would get tired of using the Trinitarians commentaries and start working on an Apostolic commentary on the whole Bible, I am sick and tired of using the Trinitarian study tools, that is why I started "The Holy Apostolic Bible" so my brethren would not have to go thru the Trinitarian verbiage while studying the word of God.

I really wish some group of Holy Spirit filled Apostolic Men and women too, would get together and decide to create a good solid Apostolic scholarly Commentary on the whole Bible. If no one does, then when I have the time, sometime in the future, I will simply go back and finish the Apostolic Commentary I have begun.

I want to thank you for your contribution to the work of Christ. We received our copy of the Bible you sent. What a great way to introduce the name of YESHUA to the Apostolic Community!

I believe this will play a role in the modern day "Apostolic" Church.

[FlamingZword]

I want to thank you for your contribution to the work of Christ. We received our copy of the Bible you sent. What a great way to introduce the name of YESHUA to the Apostolic Community!

I believe this will play a role in the modern day "Apostolic" Church.

Thank you.

I wanted to make sure that using the name Yeshua, would not be a divisive issue or create discord in the body of Christ.

I really feel bad about other brethren who preach the same message in a divisive angry way, I feel they are actually hurting their own cause by acting in such a belligerent way.

[mfblume]

Excellent and wonderfully professional job in producing the Bible in this fashion! Wow!

[mfblume]

i wouldnt mind the 1940s upc 1 stepper bible study myself. Im not the big fan of the 3 step view.

though the three step view wouldnt bother me so bad, its just the evidence part they tend to tack on at the end i dont agree with. as i dont agree its the only sign of the Holy spirit, is it a sign yes, the only one ?? no

Just as a side note. It's not a question of a sign or many, but of the initial sign as opposed to ongoing signs.