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Truth Files
07-30-2011, 03:48 PM
According to SDA teaching during this time period the little horn [a “Roman” power] of Daniel 8 is supposed to be "treading underfoot" the sanctuary .... this teaching is bogus

The SDA is a reformation replacement theology movement that combines preteristic historical allegory, post tribulation, kingdom now, anti-Semitic, anti-pre-tribulation "rapture" thinking and is a false christian cult religion of Ellen G.White and her associates

White is considered to be a prophetess by the SDA church whose writings are considered to be on par, or above, the scriptures of the Bible .... the organization claims to be the only "christian church" with the truth

This "church" claiming to be the "Israel of God" practices selected legalisms with the primary one being that of "Sabbath keeping" which was given to Israel .... they then set the requirement that if one does not worship on Saturday, but on Sunday, that one is unsaved and that this is practice of Sunday worship is the mark of the beast described in Revelation

The SDA is a religion of works and imposes this kind of hobgoblin upon the membership in order to control them .... one cannot be saved if they are not members and if they break the rules, they will burn in hell .... and that it is membership in the SDA church that saves [this is much like the doctrines of the RCC .... which the SDA considers to be the harlot of Revelation because the RCC changed "Sabbath" worship to Sunday]

This is all nonsense and both organizations are heaped in gross apostacy

William Miller [of the Millerite movement .... and later the SDA] predicted the Lord's return to be in 1844 and when his date setting failed, White and her associates attempted to cover up the failure of the "Great Disapointment" and concocted the "Investigative Judgment" ruse saying that Jesus did in fact return, but in a different way

Part of this aberrant teaching was to take the 2300 "days" noted in Daniel 8:14 [actually mornings and evenings .... 1150 days] change them to years, and then add 2300 years to a 457 B.C. date [this is the wrong date] for the return of Israel from the Babylonian captivity to 1844 which is the date that Miller picked for the second coming

They then taught that the little horn of Daniel's visions was the "Roman power" of the Pope .... essentially a reformation slant which is totally off course and an extra-biblical fabrication

Rome did not have any contact with Israel until 161 BC. How could the little horn have begun its desecrating work in 457 BC, 296 years before it even came into contact with Israel? [Daniel 8:9-12-17]

How could the little horn be "trampling underfoot" the sanctuary for nearly 400 years when it never even interfered with any sanctuary service during that time period?

One who reads the entire chapter cannot fail to see one event following another:

1. The rise of the 'great horn' (Alexander) comes first
2. He rules for a time, and is 'broken'
3. His empire is divided into four new empires
4. The little horn comes on the scene after this division .... at the time appointed during the coming 70th week decreed for Israel [Daniel 7:7-8; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince]; 11:36-45; 12:7]

One event is dependent upon another, and we can follow the course of these events through history:

1. Alexander died in 323 BC
2. Alexander's kingdom was divided in 301 BC
3. The little horn could not have come on the scene until long after 301 BC

How could the little horn be desecrating the Sanctuary in 457 BC when the prophecy does not even show it arising until after 301 BC?

Further more little Horn is a King and not an Empire [Daniel 8:24-25] .... the same as Revelation reveals him as the beast

There can be no doubt that Gabriel is here identifying the "little horn" as the "king of fierce countenance

The Hebrew word for "king" in verse 23 is melek, and means "a king; king, royal"; The word, melek, is never translated "kingdom, or world power, or empire

This little horn is referred to in a personal manner. The words "his" and "he" appear 10 times in the subsequent verses 24 and 25. This denotes that an individual is being referenced, not a world power.

SDA theology applies their "year for a day" precept to Daniel 8:14, claiming the 2300 days are equivalent to 2300 years. However, the Hebrew word for "day" [yowm, or yamim] does not appear in the verse.

The word "days" in Daniel 8:14 [[ereb [evening] boqer [morning]] literally means evenings and mornings [1150 days] since the context of the verse itself is talking about the daily sacrifices in the temple which took place every morning and evening

Lexicon Results
Strong's H6153 - `ereb
עֶרֶב
Transliteration
`ereb
Pronunciation
eh'•rev (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From עָרַב (H6150)
TWOT Reference
1689a
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) evening, night, sunset
a) evening, sunset
b) night

Lexicon Results
Strong's H1242 - boqer
בֹּקֶר
Transliteration
boqer
Pronunciation
bō'•ker (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From בָּקַר (H1239)
TWOT Reference
274c
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) morning, break of day
a) morning
1) of end of night
2) of coming of daylight
3) of coming of sunrise
4) of beginning of day
5) of bright joy after night of distress (fig.)
b) morrow, next day, next morning

The 2300 evenings and mornings are equivalent to 1150 24 hour days and this time lapse is part of the second 1260 days of the coming 70th week decreed for Israel …. 110 days to complete the setting up of the abomination of desolation on the temple mount and the balance to the end of the little horn’s rule .... this little horn will be of Middle Eastern origin [Daniel 8:9; 11:36-45; 12;7; Micah 5:5-6] .... not European [Roman]

acerrak
07-30-2011, 06:44 PM
yep i have delt with my fair share of them, i even have books from ellen g white, and i showed them on the page of her books the contridictions of the bible,

and so when you say which one is right, they will tell you the prophetess came to clarify the word. these people want ellens wrightings canicolized as scripture.

the fact is Jesus did not enter the sanctuary until 1844, cause many delimas, like the closed door, which they had to amend quickly. also when asked was Jesus still bleeding from the time of the cross till 1844? were did he get the blood? Did he save it over the years..

many terrible things in this religion. Like the sunday law is the mark of the beast, stating all who go to church on sunday have the mark of the beast, sabbath is the seal not the spirit,

way mest up and away from biblical truth.

Truth Files
07-30-2011, 07:20 PM
No question about it ace .... we can learn much from aberrant teachings because it makes us dig deeper like you have done

One is not to follow false prophets like Ellen G. White, Joseph Smith, Charles Russell, William Branham, George Warnock, Herbert W. Armstrong, Arnold Murray, the pied pipers of the MSOG movements, etc., but to follow Jesus Christ ..... and His Word is more than sufficient for those who will study themselves approved