Look For Fred Thompson to Run!!!

[StillStanding]

Put two and two together:

Thompson Likely Gone From "Law & Order" (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P4A2U00&show_article=1)

Christian Conservatives Pledge Support For Thompson '08 Bid (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070514-124527-5197r.htm)

Sometime this summer, Fred Thompson will enter the race and will be an immediate frontrunner! His presence and persona is Reagan-like.

[chaotic_resolve]

It will be an interesting Presidential Primary race on both sides.

[Theresa]

Put two and two together:

Thompson Likely Gone From "Law & Order" (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P4A2U00&show_article=1)

Christian Conservatives Pledge Support For Thompson '08 Bid (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070514-124527-5197r.htm)

Sometime this summer, Fred Thompson will enter the race and will be an immediate frontrunner! His presence and persona is Reagan-like.

I think I'd vote for him..

he cant be any worse than the other choices LOL

[Ferd]

he also has a Cancer issue that will need to be cleared up. I suspect that provided he can get a clean bill of health he will run....and I will vote for him.

[Brother Strange]

I was all for W in the beginning. I think that I've about decided that he will go down in history as the worst President that we've ever had.

I am thoroughly disgusted. I am sure that I would have been even MORE disgusted with Gore or Kerry.

[Ferd]

I was all for W in the beginning. I think that I've about decided that he will go down in history as the worst President that we've ever had.

I am thoroughly disgusted. I am sure that I would have been even MORE disgusted with Gore or Kerry.

I think proxemity is blinding right now.

I do believe he has made 2 major mistakes.
1. appoiting Don Rumsfield SEC of Def.
2. letting the generals fight a vietnam style war in Iraq.

I think we were right to go in. however, we should be in a better position. I also think he should have explained more than he actually did, that our occupation would be in the area of 10 years.

[Brother Strange]

I think proxemity is blinding right now.

I do believe he has made 2 major mistakes.
1. appoiting Don Rumsfield SEC of Def.
2. letting the generals fight a vietnam style war in Iraq.

I think we were right to go in. however, we should be in a better position. I also think he should have explained more than he actually did, that our occupation would be in the area of 10 years.

Many, many mistakes...far too many to even mention.

First off, the Generals are not fighting ANY kind of war...certainly NOT a Vietnam style war. The lawyers are fighting the war in Iraq with all the legaleese and rules of engagement. We never had such insanity in Vietnam. We took care of business until the My Lai incident but then, the war was over when it was revealed.

[Ferd]

Many, many mistakes...far too many to even mention.

First off, the Generals are not fighting ANY kind of war...certainly NOT a Vietnam style war. The lawyers are fighting the war in Iraq with all the legaleese and rules of engagement. We never had such insanity in Vietnam. We took care of business until the My Lai incident but then, the war was over when it was revealed.

actually the stratgy is very similar. then and now, we attaced an area where the enemy was consentrated, won the battle, then pulled back.

This came to light a couple of months ago. In fact this most recient troop surge and new campaign stratagy has been an effort to undo this. The goal now is, to take territory, then keep US Troop presence in place to hold the captured area.

[ChTatum]

Inflation is almost non-existent.

The stock market is at record levels.

Unemployment is also almost non-existent.

Three critical areas where President Bush has made mistakes:
Iraq
Immigration
Government spending.

But, overall the country is doing great. Take Iraq out of the mix, and all his other faults would be overlooked.

[Digging4Truth]

I was all for W in the beginning. I think that I've about decided that he will go down in history as the worst President that we've ever had.

I am thoroughly disgusted. I am sure that I would have been even MORE disgusted with Gore or Kerry.

Ditto...

I compared the man to Reagan and was impressed beyond all description.

Proximity was the problem then.

I am seeing much better now.

[Brother Strange]

actually the stratgy is very similar. then and now, we attaced an area where the enemy was consentrated, won the battle, then pulled back.

This came to light a couple of months ago. In fact this most recient troop surge and new campaign stratagy has been an effort to undo this. The goal now is, to take territory, then keep US Troop presence in place to hold the captured area.

Our battle tactics were "search and destroy" since there were no battle lines being mostly a gaurella warfare situation, which is very similar to Iraq. You have no other choice. However, we did not have these stupid rules of engagement as there are now in place. Too many good soldiers are being court marshalled for just being soldiers and doing what they were trained to do apart from those stupid rules. In VN we took care of business without these rules and no one was court marshalled for it. It is killing the morale of our fighting forces there. Familes are being bankrupted by criminal defense lawyers hired to defend their soldier family member who is being court marshalled.

Bush ought to be run out of town on a rail for allowing such disgraceful legal crimes against the military.

On I could go on and on about how he has disgraced the office with inaction and incompetence.

[StillStanding]

There is one reason and one reason only that the Republicans lost the majority in both the Senate and the House....IRAQ

Whoever wins the Republican nomination needs to distance himself from the war in IRAQ. My guess is that he will need to promise the American public a quick exit to win!

[Digging4Truth]

There is one reason and one reason only that the Republicans lost the majority in both the Senate and the House....IRAQ

Whoever wins the Republican nomination needs to distance himself from the war in IRAQ. My guess is that he will need to promise the American public a quick exit to win!

There is already one out there and he carried the highest approval rating on politics.msnbc.com at the last Republican debate.

[CC1]

Brother Strange,

I take strong exception at your depiction of GWB's legacy. He has made mistakes but has been a strong leader in a difficult time.

It is interesting that the modern President to mirror GWB's poll numbes is Harry Truman who now is seen by history as a strong President and a successful one.

Do I wish GWB was more articulate? You bet! Has he made mistakes? You bet! But he is a good man and a strong leader.

Nobody could stand up to the daily beating in the national media and by power hungry Democrats every day and appear in a positive light. I fear you have succumbed to our societal pressures who demand instant results in difficult situations.

[StillStanding]

Brother Strange,

I take strong exception at your depiction of GWB's legacy. He has made mistakes but has been a strong leader in a difficult time.

It is interesting that the modern President to mirror GWB's poll numbes is Harry Truman who now is seen by history as a strong President and a successful one.

Do I wish GWB was more articulate? You bet! Has he made mistakes? You bet! But he is a good man and a strong leader.

Nobody could stand up to the daily beating in the national media and by power hungry Democrats every day and appear in a positive light. I fear you have succumbed to our societal pressures who demand instant results in difficult situations.
It's hard to be the leader of an instant gratification nation! :nod

[Digging4Truth]

Brother Strange,

I take strong exception at your depiction of GWB's legacy.

And that is where we all stand.

You see it the way you see it.
We see it the way we see it.

There isn't much else to it.

[CC1]

And that is where we all stand.

You see it the way you see it.
We see it the way we see it.

There isn't much else to it.

No President has endured the daily flood of negative reporting and ridicule that GWB has.

Clinton had the press in his pocket and in his worst moments they treated him with kid gloves.

The other day Barak Obama made a misstatement in a speech and said that 10,000 people had died in that tornado in Kansas that wiped out that town. When in fact 10 people had died.

Had GWB made that faux paus we would have never heard the end of it. It didn't even make a blip on the news radar when Obama did it. You had to watch or listen to Fox news to find out about it.

Almost every night David Letterman's Late Show does a bit called "Great Presidential Speeches in History" where they show a short clip of JFK's "Ask not what your country....." speech and Roosevelt's "We have nothing to fear..." speech followed by clips of GWB mangling his words in a press conference or question and answer session.

It was not enough to do it once they do it over and over again. Ignoring that he has given some excellent speeches. His speech at the National service right after 9-11 was one of the best in Presidential history and was highly praised. Yet you hear nothing of those times.

I am just saying that the American people are not only dealing with any mistakes GWB may have made but they are dealing with psychological propaganda crucifying the man.

GWB is blamed for everything from hurricanes to high gas prices. It is ridicoulous.

[Steve Epley]

If Thompson does not run I will doubt if I vote we have three Democrats running as Republicans. I doubt if we would get a good justice out of any of them. Bush almost didn't give us one but finally buckled and we got 2 good justices.

[CC1]

If Thompson does not run I will doubt if I vote we have three Democrats running as Republicans. I doubt if we would get a good justice out of any of them. Bush almost didn't give us one but finally buckled and we got 2 good justices.

If for no other reason than Federal juducial appointments Christians should vote Republican in 08. A Republican judicial appointment may disappoint but a Democrat one is guaranteed to disappooint!

If not for GWB's appointments to the Supreme court we would not have seen a ban on the horrible practice of partial birth abortions upheld.

Those that want the whole enchalida lose sight that there are small victories that have great significance like this one.

[Ferd]

what CC1 said. these people give me tired head.

[Steve Epley]

If for no other reason than Federal juducial appointments Christians should vote Republican in 08. A Republican judicial appointment may disappoint but a Democrat one is guaranteed to disappooint!

If not for GWB's appointments to the Supreme court we would not have seen a ban on the horrible practice of partial birth abortions upheld.

Those that want the whole enchalida lose sight that there are small victories that have great significance like this one.

If pressure hadn't been put on Bush we would have had that woman no one knows anything about. And I doubt if the top three Republicans would be a bit better than the Democrats in appointing justices. Now Thompson is different.

[josh]

And what do we hope to accomplish with conservative judges??? An end to abortion???

I think we all need to wake up and realize that the system is far more powerful than the individuals we might send there.

The power in Washington has always corrupted, but it is far more powerful than ever before...hence, far more corrupting.

W has been a huge disappointment to me.

Can anyone point out what major factor caused gas to go from 2 bucks to 3 plus in about 6 months or so? My opinion is that the industry knows it will be a hot button issue in the election.

[ManOfWord]

As a principled, conservative Christian, I am so sick and tired of being used and abused by the Republican party that I will probably register Independent this time around. As far as Fred Thompson is concerned, I am more comfortable voting for him even though he might not be as "christian" as the others. So far, I think I could trust him more than the others, including "Bro. Newt." The Republican party has become so much of a circus that it REALLY ticks me off!!!! (want to know how I really feel?)

[CC1]

And what do we hope to accomplish with conservative judges??? An end to abortion???

I think we all need to wake up and realize that the system is far more powerful than the individuals we might send there.

The power in Washington has always corrupted, but it is far more powerful than ever before...hence, far more corrupting.

W has been a huge disappointment to me.

Can anyone point out what major factor caused gas to go from 2 bucks to 3 plus in about 6 months or so? My opinion is that the industry knows it will be a hot button issue in the election.

Did you read my post about the recent Supreme Court decision that ended the practice of partial birth abortions? That was a DIRECT result of Supreme Court justices that were appointed by GWB. If Al Gore had been President this would not have happened.

[ChTatum]

Gas prices are high and going up because we have not built any new refineries in over 20 years, and the refineries we do have must refine different blends for the same state, not to mention different blends across the country.

Where the federal government can help is to standardize the blends, then production from the refineries could go up.

[Steve Epley]

Did you read my post about the recent Supreme Court decision that ended the practice of partial birth abortions? That was a DIRECT result of Supreme Court justices that were appointed by GWB. If Al Gore had been President this would not have happened.

True CC1 but Bush was pressured to give us Roberts. I have been really disappointed in the Republican party. They had the both wings of Congress and a President and did not have the guts to get much done.

[CC1]

True CC1 but Bush was pressured to give us Roberts. I have been really disappointed in the Republican party. They had the both wings of Congress and a President and did not have the guts to get much done.

I know what you are saying. It seems that being in the minority when it came to the previous 40 years of Congress caused the Republicans to not know how to lead when they finally got the chance.

They didn't seem to know how to be the majority party. Of course in their defense in the Senate there never was a majority of conservative Republicans. The Republican party held the Senate in name only as about three liberal Republicans like Lincoln Chaffee and that woman whose name ecapes me are RHINO's and vote like liberal Democrats.

The Republicans are terrible at PR which you had better be good at when the mainstream media hates you and tearing you down every day.

Like right now the uneployment rate has been the lowest in decades, the stock market the highest, home sales good, job growth good, yet you never hear any of this good news.

[Steve Epley]

I know what you are saying. It seems that being in the minority when it came to the previous 40 years of Congress caused the Republicans to not know how to lead when they finally got the chance.

They didn't seem to know how to be the majority party. Of course in their defense in the Senate there never was a majority of conservative Republicans. The Republican party held the Senate in name only as about three liberal Republicans like Lincoln Chaffee and that woman whose name ecapes me are RHINO's and vote like liberal Democrats.

The Republicans are terrible at PR which you had better be good at when the mainstream media hates you and tearing you down every day.

Like right now the uneployment rate has been the lowest in decades, the stock market the highest, home sales good, job growth good, yet you never hear any of this good news.

Bush is such a poor spokesman for the party I had hoped Tony Snow would have made a difference but with his sickness and all it has not helped much.
Their corruption and acting like a Democrat caused them to loose both houses. I am just disgusted with them. I doubt I will vote if Thompson don't run. I would NOT vote for a pro-abortion and pro-gay guy I don't care what label he wears. The party has lost it's soul.

[josh]

Gas prices are high and going up because we have not built any new refineries in over 20 years, and the refineries we do have must refine different blends for the same state, not to mention different blends across the country.

Where the federal government can help is to standardize the blends, then production from the refineries could go up.

So how come they were working good enough to give us two dollar gas last year? And why are they still working good enough to gove companies like Exxon record breaking profits?:grumpy

I do understand your point, though.

[Brett Prince]

So how come they were working good enough to give us two dollar gas last year? And why are they still working good enough to gove companies like Exxon record breaking profits?:grumpy

I do understand your point, though.

If we want to minimize the record breaking profits, we would also have to be fair and minimize the times when they have back breaking losses--as they did not so long ago.

[chosenbyone]

Inflation is almost non-existent.

The stock market is at record levels.

Unemployment is also almost non-existent.

Three critical areas where President Bush has made mistakes:
Iraq
Immigration
Government spending.

But, overall the country is doing great. Take Iraq out of the mix, and all his other faults would be overlooked.

I would agree with the three critical areas listed above. While our service men and women are getting killed daily in a war that we should have never started, our borders are not secured. With all the money that our country is spending for this war that is killing thousands of civilians and our military, we could have sealed our borders. Terrorists could have already infiltrated our country: bringing with them suitcase bombs to kill our civilians and usher in the police state that Bush and his cronies seem determine to create in our country.

We have children in our country that don't have enough to eat, schools in disarray and so many other social issues that the money to keep the war engines humming could help alleviate.

I didn't vote for GW during either of the past two elections. Before, I always voted Republican, but my instinct told me he just wasn't the man needed to be our president.

[Digging4Truth]

It still amazes me that there is one good Republican candidate for presidency out there. He won the Republican Presidential Candidate debate and, as far as this forum goes, the man does not even exist.

[chosenbyone]

It still amazes me that there is one good Republican candidate for presidency out there. He won the Republican Presidential Candidate debate and, as far as this forum goes, the man does not even exist.

The last great President that our country had was the first George Bush. I have yet to be impressed with any of the candidates so far and I hope that God would bring us a President that was strong, intelligent and willing to be guided by Him.

[Brother Strange]

Brother Strange,

I take strong exception at your depiction of GWB's legacy. He has made mistakes but has been a strong leader in a difficult time.

It is interesting that the modern President to mirror GWB's poll numbes is Harry Truman who now is seen by history as a strong President and a successful one.

Do I wish GWB was more articulate? You bet! Has he made mistakes? You bet! But he is a good man and a strong leader.

Nobody could stand up to the daily beating in the national media and by power hungry Democrats every day and appear in a positive light. I fear you have succumbed to our societal pressures who demand instant results in difficult situations.

CC1,

Did I say that he was not a strong leader? No. He certainly is a very storng leader. He is strong to the point of being absolutely OBSTINATE!

Did I say that he is not a good man? He is indeed a very good man. I love it when he will kneel and pray for a wounded soldier at Walter Reed. Good man indeed!

No, I have not succumbed to our societal pressures who demand instant results in difficult situations. I understand all of these things quite well.

My opinion of this man has greatly changed as to the competence of leadership. I could speak of so many terrible, terrible things that he has and has not done to our nation I hardly know where to begin...not to even speak of the damage that he has done to the republican party.

International confidence in America is plunging with his "powder-puff" foreign policy, and uni-latteral attitude. That falling confidence in America is reflected in the downward plunge of the US dollar to other world currencies, which reflects in rapidly rising prices such as gasoline and almost every other commodity.

I could talk about this endlessly on these things as one who follows the markets, making note of the impact on national policy on the dollar and world esteem. When you have spent your last credible chit in the world political market, you have painted yourself into a corner among all nations having nearly complete political impotence.

It is a sad state of foreign affairs when a third rate nation will not even show up with a discussion with the Secretary of State. Oh, I could go on and on. But back to your objection. I agree with you. W is a good man and he is a strong leader. There is no doubt.

[Brother Strange]

It's hard to be the leader of an instant gratification nation! :nod

Truth. True statement.

[Digging4Truth]

The last great President that our country had was the first George Bush. I have yet to be impressed with any of the candidates so far and I hope that God would bring us a President that was strong, intelligent and willing to be guided by Him.

Have you looked into Ron Paul?

[Brother Strange]

No President has endured the daily flood of negative reporting and ridicule that GWB has.

Clinton had the press in his pocket and in his worst moments they treated him with kid gloves.

The other day Barak Obama made a misstatement in a speech and said that 10,000 people had died in that tornado in Kansas that wiped out that town. When in fact 10 people had died.

Had GWB made that faux paus we would have never heard the end of it. It didn't even make a blip on the news radar when Obama did it. You had to watch or listen to Fox news to find out about it.

Almost every night David Letterman's Late Show does a bit called "Great Presidential Speeches in History" where they show a short clip of JFK's "Ask not what your country....." speech and Roosevelt's "We have nothing to fear..." speech followed by clips of GWB mangling his words in a press conference or question and answer session.

It was not enough to do it once they do it over and over again. Ignoring that he has given some excellent speeches. His speech at the National service right after 9-11 was one of the best in Presidential history and was highly praised. Yet you hear nothing of those times.

I am just saying that the American people are not only dealing with any mistakes GWB may have made but they are dealing with psychological propaganda crucifying the man.

GWB is blamed for everything from hurricanes to high gas prices. It is ridicoulous.

I understand all of that CC1.

It would take an uninformed dribbling idiot to be persuaded by all of that stuff. There seems to be quite a few around that are, unfortunately.

[Brother Strange]

If for no other reason than Federal juducial appointments Christians should vote Republican in 08. A Republican judicial appointment may disappoint but a Democrat one is guaranteed to disappooint!

If not for GWB's appointments to the Supreme court we would not have seen a ban on the horrible practice of partial birth abortions upheld.

Those that want the whole enchalida lose sight that there are small victories that have great significance like this one.

I agree.

[Ferd]

Inflation is almost non-existent.

The stock market is at record levels.

Unemployment is also almost non-existent.

Three critical areas where President Bush has made mistakes:
Iraq
Immigration
Government spending.

But, overall the country is doing great. Take Iraq out of the mix, and all his other faults would be overlooked.

ChT, you are dead on target. very good assessment.

[chosenbyone]

Have you looked into Ron Paul?

I have only after reading about him here on AFF. Unfortunately, I don't believe that America or the liberal media would ever give him a fair chance. I guess I've become too jaded with the whole political scene after witnessing corruption in both the Republican and the Democratic parties.

[Brother Strange]

And what do we hope to accomplish with conservative judges??? An end to abortion???

I think we all need to wake up and realize that the system is far more powerful than the individuals we might send there.

The power in Washington has always corrupted, but it is far more powerful than ever before...hence, far more corrupting.

W has been a huge disappointment to me.

Can anyone point out what major factor caused gas to go from 2 bucks to 3 plus in about 6 months or so? My opinion is that the industry knows it will be a hot button issue in the election.

The ONE major contributor to this phenonoma is the fall of the US dollar on the world markets. EVERYTHING imported becomes MORE expensive, especially energy in face of international competition.

I think that CC1 would feel much differently if he were bankrupt hiring civilian lawyers to defend his Son in some minor infraction of the rules of engagement in a war zone. So many, many families whom you have never heard of are being bankrupt trying to defend their sons, fathers, husbands against military lawyers that are prosecuting them in a court-marshal being subject to a DISHONORABLE discharge for doing what they were trained to do. OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF should be courtmarshalled. Not to speak of how he has turned his back on our Border guards who have gone to jail for doing their job. I am tired of schmoozing with the leaders of Mexico as he has to the detriment of our good men who are charged with the responsibility of protecting our borders. Some of these men are IN PRISON for doing their duty...and ol' BUSH has turned his back on them, leaving them to be brutalized in prison by illegals that are there. Not even a PEEP out of him.

[Digging4Truth]

Everyone here singing the "W" song....

I understand what you are saying. I used to have a lead solo in the "W" song. he was da man.

I read your comments and I understand your thinking because I used to think like that.

But not any more... and it has nothing to do with David Letterman or anything like that. When I used to see stuff like that it would just make me mad because they were pulling that stuff and they just didn't understand what a great president he was...

I hear what you are saying... been there done that.

The president swears to uphold and protect the constitution.

This man has all but shredded it in the name of National Security and safety.

You agree with him... I do not.... nothing more will be accomplished in either of our minds beyond that.

If he took away more liberties then you would agree with him then... I would not... nothing more will be accomplished in either of our minds beyond that.

You see it as a president strong enough to stand for what we need, even in the face of the constitution.

I see that as an oxymoron

And nothing more will be accomplished in either of our minds beyond that.

And I haven't even begun to talk about NAFTA and the other long list of things I also disagree with.

[chosenbyone]

The ONE major contributor to this phenonoma is the fall of the US dollar on the world markets. EVERYTHING imported becomes MORE expensive, especially energy in face of international competition.

I think that CC1 would feel much differently if he were bankrupt hiring civilian lawyers to defend his Son in some minor infraction of the rules of engagement in a war zone. So many, many families whom you have never heard of are being bankrupt trying to defend their sons, fathers, husbands against military lawyers that are prosecuting them in a court-marshal being subject to a DISHONORABLE discharge for doing what they were trained to do. OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF should be courtmarshalled. Not to speak of how he has turned his back on our Border guards who have gone to jail for doing their job. I am tired of schmoozing with the leaders of Mexico as he has to the detriment of our good men who are charged with the responsibility of protecting our borders. Some of these men are IN PRISON for doing their duty...and ol' BUSH has turned his back on them, leaving them to be brutalized in prison by illegals that are there. Not even a PEEP out of him.


Excellent post, Brother Strange.

[Digging4Truth]

I have only after reading about him here on AFF. Unfortunately, I don't believe that America or the liberal media would ever give him a fair chance. I guess I've become too jaded with the whole political scene after witnessing corruption in both the Republican and the Democratic parties.

That is a popular assessment.

Of course it is that same media that has convinced us of their complete control over who can & cannot be voted in.

The man won the last presidential election but because we are convinced that he cannot win we shake our heads saying it can't happen.

Personally I do not see it that way and thankfully many others do not as well.

I just hope that the self fulfilling prophecy of the media moguls does not convince enough people of its veracity because the ability is there... we have simply been told that it is not... and we believe.

[Brother Strange]

True CC1 but Bush was pressured to give us Roberts. I have been really disappointed in the Republican party. They had the both wings of Congress and a President and did not have the guts to get much done.

This is a VERY true statement.

Had there not been such an OUTCRY screaming bloody MURDER by the conservatives, another appointment would have been rapidly radified by the very pleased Democrats. GWB saw the handwriting on the wall. He saw himself losing both houses of Congress and the Whitehouse to the Democrats unless he appeased the OUTCRY of the conservative base. When he nominated Roberts, it was the ONE thing that he did right.

[Steve Epley]

The ONE major contributor to this phenonoma is the fall of the US dollar on the world markets. EVERYTHING imported becomes MORE expensive, especially energy in face of international competition.

I think that CC1 would feel much differently if he were bankrupt hiring civilian lawyers to defend his Son in some minor infraction of the rules of engagement in a war zone. So many, many families whom you have never heard of are being bankrupt trying to defend their sons, fathers, husbands against military lawyers that are prosecuting them in a court-marshal being subject to a DISHONORABLE discharge for doing what they were trained to do. OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF should be courtmarshalled. Not to speak of how he has turned his back on our Border guards who have gone to jail for doing their job. I am tired of schmoozing with the leaders of Mexico as he has to the detriment of our good men who are charged with the responsibility of protecting our borders. Some of these men are IN PRISON for doing their duty...and ol' BUSH has turned his back on them, leaving them to be brutalized in prison by illegals that are there. Not even a PEEP out of him.

Bro. Strange it pains me but this post rings true. He can pardon whoever but these guys don't get a peep out of him. I think in some areas he has done well but in others I think he has nearly singelhandedly dismantled the Republican party. I agree with the war to a point if they are gonna be there let them take their gloves off and finish the job if not bring them home. Do one or the other. Yes I do think it would be a a mistake to leave.

[Brother Strange]

Originally Posted by ChTatum
Inflation is almost non-existent.

This appears to be true. But it is not. It is artificially maintained at a low rate by the present and past CEO of the Federal Bank. We are going to pay the piper for our stupid fiscal policy to make the current occupant of the Whitehouse look good. Greenspan was a master at giving what the current office holder wanted.

The stock market is at record levels.

Another popular illusion. With the falling dollar, the equity markets look good juxtiposed against dollars worth much less on international currency markets. I only hope that the equity markets are at least holding their own. Actually, I doubt that. Only time will tell.

Unemployment is also almost non-existent.

Shut down the war machine and watch what will happen. Unemployment will spike upward.

I remember years ago, I made a statement to someone to the essence "you can chose between war with low unemployment or peace and high unemployment. "Gimme WAR," was the retort that sounded in my unbelieving ears.

Three critical areas where President Bush has made mistakes:
Iraq
Immigration
Government spending.

If these are the only three areas of mistake, I'd have to say that you are probably not keeping up with current events too well.

But, overall the country is doing great. Take Iraq out of the mix, and all his other faults would be overlooked.

On the other hand, I would say that our country is in a huge MESS that will accrue to our grandchildren if not ourselves and children.

[Digging4Truth]

This appears to be true. But it is not. It is artificially maintained at a low rate by the present and past CEO of the Federal Bank. We are going to pay the piper for our stupid fiscal policy to make the current occupant of the Whitehouse look good. Greenspan was a master at giving what the current office holder wanted.



Another popular illusion. With the falling dollar, the equity markets look good juxtiposed against dollars worth much less on international currency markets. I only hope that the equity markets are at least holding their own. Actually, I doubt that. Only time will tell.



Shut down the war machine and watch what will happen. Unemployment will spike upward.

I remember years ago, I made a statement to someone to the essence "you can chose between war with low unemployment or peace and high unemployment. "Gimme WAR," was the retort that sounded in my unbelieving ears.



If these are the only three areas of mistake, I'd have to say that you are probably not keeping up with current events too well.



On the other hand, I would say that our country is in a huge MESS that will accrue to our grandchildren if not ourselves and children.

Thank you so much Brother Strange.

All excellent points.

[Steve Epley]

Now I don't agree with Bro. Strange's analogy on these things. But could it be the oil is so high because we have two oil men in the White House?

[Brother Strange]

Bro. Strange it pains me but this post rings true. He can pardon whoever but these guys don't get a peep out of him. I think in some areas he has done well but in others I think he has nearly singelhandedly dismantled the Republican party. I agree with the war to a point if they are gonna be there let them take their gloves off and finish the job if not bring them home. Do one or the other. Yes I do think it would be a a mistake to leave.

Elder,

It has always been the very wise national policy to only strike after we have been struck first...but THEN, we totally take care of business. Even ol' Johnson understood this. Thus, the trumped up Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us deeply involved in Vietnam. Gradually, over the years there has been a metamorphosis of our first strike policy until today it is non-existent.

Certainly, I understand us going into Afganistan because that is where our enemies struck us from. But Iraq and Saddam Hussein, as evil as they were/are never struck us at all. Saddam had his nation under total control. It was the same political government that they have been accustomed to for hundreds of years. When we leave, they will soon go right back to what they have always been used to, with ANOTHER Saddam Hussein of sorts. We will find that we have been unsuccessful in establishing democracy upon a culture that does not want it.

We cannot impose our form of Western democracy upon every nation and people who do not want it. We need to learn to take care of our own business and sweep around our own doorstep a little more before we go trapsing all over the globe sweeping everyone elses' doorsteps. We have too many needs here at home that we need to take care of. If we will do it, we will then againg become the shining light on the hill that all nations will look up to and admire.

Meanwhile, we have squandered almost every lasting credible chit that we have world wide.

I once read a book many years ago entitled, "The Ugly American." I think that I still have that book somewhere. I'm going to look for it. If ever the contents of that book is apropro, it is today.

[Digging4Truth]

Elder,

It has always been the very wise national policy to only strike after we have been struck first...but THEN, we totally take care of business. Even ol' Johnson understood this. Thus, the trumped up Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us deeply involved in Vietnam. Gradually, over the years there has been a metamorphosis of our first strike policy until today it is non-existent.

Certainly, I understand us going into Afganistan because that is where our enemies struck us from. But Iraq and Saddam Hussein, as evil as they were/are never struck us at all. Saddam had his nation under total control. It was the same political government that they have been accustomed to for hundreds of years. When we leave, they will soon go right back to what they have always been used to, with ANOTHER Saddam Hussein of sorts. We will find that we have been unsuccessful in establishing democracy upon a culture that does not want it.

We cannot impose our form of Western democracy upon every nation and people who do not want it. We need to learn to take care of our own business and sweep around our own doorstep a little more before we go trapsing all over the globe sweeping everyone elses' doorsteps. We have too many needs here at home that we need to take care of. If we will do it, we will then againg become the shining light on the hill that all nations will look up to and admire.

Meanwhile, we have squandered almost every lasting credible chit that we have world wide.

I once read a book many years ago entitled, "The Ugly American." I think that I still have that book somewhere. I'm going to look for it. If ever the contents of that book is apropro, it is today.

Well just mark me down as the Brother Strange Amen Corner this morning.

Another excellent post.

[Steve Epley]

Brethren my question is why have we not had another tragedy here in the US since 911???? Evidently the war has done some good. Rather there than here is my thoughts. However I think they have drug their feet. I think to stop these events that are happening there is to pull back and bomb the daylights out of them everytime an incident happens.

[Brother Strange]

Now I don't agree with Bro. Strange's analogy on these things. But could it be the oil is so high because we have two oil men in the White House?

Well, I know how you try to avoid PAIN at all cost, as much as possible. But, when you think of it, you will have to enduring the pain of agreeing with me. :lol

There are many reasons for the steep increase in oil prices. The chief reason is the devalued dollar on the world market. When the dollar was at its zenith. The dollar was one to 360 yen. Today, it has become so devalued that it is worth way less than 200. This is true against almost all world currencies. The dollar has become so devalued that many nations who once pegged their currency value against the dollar, making it the international currency, they are turning more and more to a more stable Euro, leaving the dollar to flounder almost like some third world currency like the Peso. GOOD GOING GWB! You are strong alright, and a good man too...BUT STUPID.

There are other reasons for inflated gas prices that must be laid at the doorstep of the environmentalist. No new nuclear plants can be built. No new refineries. No new drilling in known oil deposits. On and on are the reasons all of which each, by themselves are only a minor contributing factor. Also there are refineries that are partially operating...some say by design of oil companies to help drive up domestic prices for greater profits. This may be true. If there is a remote possiblity that is true, the government needs to prosecute these companies under the RICCO statutes.

[Steve Epley]

Well, I know how you try to avoid PAIN at all cost, as much as possible. But, when you think of it, you will have to enduring the pain of agreeing with me. :lol

There are many reasons for the steep increase in oil prices. The chief reason is the devalued dollar on the world market. When the dollar was at its zenith. The dollar was one to 360 yen. Today, it has become so devalued that it is worth way less than 200. This is true against almost all world currencies. The dollar has become so devalued that many nations who once pegged their currency value against the dollar, making it the international currency, they are turning more and more to a more stable Euro, leaving the dollar to flounder almost like some third world currency like the Peso. GOOD GOING GWB! You are strong alright, and a good man too...BUT STUPID.

There are other reasons for inflated gas prices that must be laid at the doorstep of the environmentalist. No new nuclear plants can be built. No new refineries. No new drilling in known oil deposits. On and on are the reasons all of which each, by themselves are only a minor contributing factor. Also there are refineries that are partially operating...some say by design of oil companies to help drive up domestic prices for greater profits. This may be true. If there is a remote possiblity that is true, the government needs to prosecute these companies under the RICCO statutes.

The enviromentists are breaking us. There is enough coal in KY. to take care of us for 100s of years. Our oil reservoirs are abundant. And these nuts have not alloed us to build a new refinery in 30 years. I say export the enviromentalists and keep the oil. I am nearly a Buccanon man long live Pat!:thumbsup

[Brother Strange]

Brethren my question is why have we not had another tragedy here in the US since 911???? Evidently the war has done some good. Rather there than here is my thoughts. However I think they have drug their feet. I think to stop these events that are happening there is to pull back and bomb the daylights out of them everytime an incident happens.

Elder,

Every politico understands very well that if there is another 9-11 because of another major intelligence failure as 9-11 and Iraq, that the American pulblic will grab each and every lasting one of them by the throat.

They know better than to let YET ANOTHER major intelligence failture, especially on THIS Administration watch.

[Brother Strange]

The enviromentists are breaking us. There is enough coal in KY. to take care of us for 100s of years. Our oil reservoirs are abundant. And these nuts have not alloed us to build a new refinery in 30 years. I say export the enviromentalists and keep the oil. I am nearly a Buccanon man long live Pat!:thumbsup

Right.

And that is ANOTHER reason that this current crop of Republicans are Democrats in disguise by cow-towing to these environmentalist. Industry has the ability to clean emissions from coal use. We have as much good coal that can be converted to gasoline as Saudi Arabia has oil deposits.

It is a shame that we are not pouring our energy money into our own nation rather than pouring it into nations who hate us, thus empowering them to fight us, buy our businesses a nd interest with our own money and build Mosques in our nation by the thousands with our own money.

SHAME! SHAME!

[Steve Epley]

Right.

And that is ANOTHER reason that this current crop of Republicans are Democrats in disguise by cow-towing to these environmentalist. Industry has the ability to clean emissions from coal use. We have as much good coal that can be converted to gasoline as Saudi Arabia has oil deposits.

It is a shame that we are not pouring our energy money into our own nation rather than pouring it into nations who hate us, thus empowering them to fight us, buy our businesses a nd interest with our own money and build Mosques in our nation by the thousands with our own money.

SHAME! SHAME!

That is true Export the ragheads and keep the oil.

[Digging4Truth]

Brethren my question is why have we not had another tragedy here in the US since 911???? Evidently the war has done some good. Rather there than here is my thoughts. However I think they have drug their feet. I think to stop these events that are happening there is to pull back and bomb the daylights out of them everytime an incident happens.

What war?

The one in Iraq?

Did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11?

[Brother Strange]

That is true Export the ragheads and keep the oil.

It sure pains me to agree. :lol It hurts so badly. :icecream

[Ferd]

Right.

And that is ANOTHER reason that this current crop of Republicans are Democrats in disguise by cow-towing to these environmentalist. Industry has the ability to clean emissions from coal use. We have as much good coal that can be converted to gasoline as Saudi Arabia has oil deposits.

It is a shame that we are not pouring our energy money into our own nation rather than pouring it into nations who hate us, thus empowering them to fight us, buy our businesses a nd interest with our own money and build Mosques in our nation by the thousands with our own money.

SHAME! SHAME!

Brother Strange, dont you see the stratigic position here??? we use THEIR resources while keeping OURS in the ground. That IMHO a very wise approach.

[Brother Strange]

Brother Strange, dont you see the stratigic position here??? we use THEIR resources while keeping OURS in the ground. That IMHO a very wise approach.

Yes. I see the strategic position. It is ours by default.

I see no wisdom in it at all. Maybe you can explain it to me.

I'm trying to learn, reading every scrap of material, listening to every solitary word, and searching every fact and opinion that can be offered. Certainly, I would be interested in your facts and opinions too.

[Digging4Truth]

Brother Strange, dont you see the stratigic position here??? we use THEIR resources while keeping OURS in the ground. That IMHO a very wise approach.

Are you talking about oil?

Whose resources?

How much of those resources could we have just plain out bought for $200 Billion?

[Ferd]

Yes. I see the strategic position. It is ours by default.

I see no wisdom in it at all. Maybe you can explain it to me.

I'm trying to learn, reading every scrap of material, listening to every solitary word, and searching every fact and opinion that can be offered. Certainly, I would be interested in your facts and opinions too.
Well, I do not see this as a default position. Clearly our energy policy leaves much to be desired, but I do believe that our importing of consumable resources that cannot be replaced (like fossil fuels), does several things that are important to our nation.

First, it has kept down the price of energy which has fueled our economy. Our energy prices are lower than any industrialized nation, because we have kept taxation lower and competition higher. This has lowered the cost added to goods and services which gives American business a major competitive edge.

Second, by placing ourselves as a major customer for fuel in the world market, America dictates much of the direction of the Market Place. As India and China come on line, this will be even more important as relationships with supplier nations is vital to keep aggressor nations like China behind us, (I could write a book on why that is important but lets just say that a 200 million man army is the first on the list)

Third, fossil fuels are a non-replenishable recourse. Eventually Saudi Arabia will run out. In fact, they are already starting to see a decline in production. There will come a day (some say in the next 50 years) when that happens, and America still has fuel reserves, someone’s great grand children will be very happy that we imported....

Fourth. As the world shrinks, and energy needs become greater, leverage will become even more important. If we do not maintain leverage, we will be grand losers in the world economy.

So, every drop of Saudi gas you burn, you help American long term strategy

[Ferd]

Are you talking about oil?

Whose resources?

How much of those resources could we have just plain out bought for $200 Billion?

D, I know full well that you belive that the Iraq war is about America taking oil away from Iraq. that is patently false and borderline offensive.

we are talking about oil. we are not talking about stealing oil from Iraq.


and 200 billion dollars will buy somewhere around 3 billion barrels of oil or enough oil to supply the American economy for something less than 150 days.

[Digging4Truth]

D, I know full well that you belive that the Iraq war is about America taking oil away from Iraq. that is patently false and borderline offensive.

we are talking about oil. we are not talking about stealing oil from Iraq.


and 200 billion dollars will buy somewhere around 3 billion barrels of oil or enough oil to supply the American economy for something less than 150 days.

You know incorrectly sir...

But thanks for playing.

[Ferd]

You know incorrectly sir...

But thanks for playing.

i guess i have assumed. I appologize, I was wrong.

[Digging4Truth]

i guess i have assumed. I appologize, I was wrong.

Not a problem.

[Ferd]

Not a problem.

you did see the total amount that 200 billion dollars will buy didnt you?

[Brother Strange]

[QUOTE=Ferd;113822]Well, I do not see this as a default position. Clearly our energy policy leaves much to be desired, but I do believe that our importing of consumable resources that cannot be replaced (like fossil fuels), does several things that are important to our nation.

Why replace it? We have enough energy right here to power all of our energy needs indefinitely.

First, it has kept down the price of energy which has fueled our economy.

Quite the opposite, in fact. World markets dictates the price of oil, except when it is used as a political tool or used in a way to advance some foreign, oil producing agenda. Remember the oil embargo in the 70s? Do you remember ARAMCO? Now look at good ol' Hugo Chavez in Venesuela. Why would anyone want to be subject to every whim of every nation that hates us? Does not make too much sense to me.

Our energy prices are lower than any industrialized nation, because we have kept taxation lower and competition higher. This has lowered the cost added to goods and services which gives American business a major competitive edge.

Lower taxation, regardles of the source of the commodity will always do it. That is not just because we import oil. The price of gasoline is much higer in Europe than here because of high taxes on oil commodities.

Second, by placing ourselves as a major customer for fuel in the world market, America dictates much of the direction of the Market Place. As India and China come on line, this will be even more important as relationships with supplier nations is vital to keep aggressor nations like China behind us, (I could write a book on why that is important but lets just say that a 200 million man army is the first on the list)

Again I disagree. America cannot dictate the world market price on oil. Demand, whether it is produced here in America, Canada, Russia, China or Iran will dictate the world price. However, as our dollar continues to decline, you will find that we wll end up paying more for it in adjusted currency value than anyone else. Further, the relationship with supplier nations has eroded so much as to almost make us a non-welcomed customer. This is seen in several nations but the most recent and classical example is Chavez defering to China in oil shipments over the USA and his recent nationalization of American interest there plus the added tax he is charging for his goo that he is exporting to the USA.

Third, fossil fuels are a non-replenishable recourse. Eventually Saudi Arabia will run out. In fact, they are already starting to see a decline in production. There will come a day (some say in the next 50 years) when that happens, and America still has fuel reserves, someone’s great grand children will be very happy that we imported....

Believe me, Saudi Arabia is not running out. Don't listen to George Soros. This idiot is a currency trader that almost broke the British Pound by trading it short. He is a pariah whose only interest is to break our own nation with evil propaganda and by whatever else means that he has...including moveon.org.

Furthermore, the largest oil discovery of all time was recently reported by Chevron in the Gulf. We have more oil right here but are unable to tap into because of so many environmental restrictions. You can't drill in Alaska, off the coast of California, off the coast of Florida, or any of the Gulf States except Louisiana and Texas. Also, Canada has a heavy oil that has not been too promising until recently an American company has discovered a way to economically refine it. Canada has as much oil as any one of the OPEC nations.

Also, there is a tremendous push to go green and get away from burning so much fossil fuels. In a few decades, long before we could possibly run out of our own resereves (which could never happen in a thousand years) other means of energy will be on line. You are now seeing the emergence of these various energy sources. I think that it is a good idea to get away from burning as much fossil fuels.


Fourth. As the world shrinks, and energy needs become greater, leverage will become even more important. If we do not maintain leverage, we will be grand losers in the world economy.

Ferd, I thought that you were a conservative. This is a classical liberal position.

Energy needs will become greater, is a given quantity. But the resources will become more and more green rather than dirty fossil fuels. Sun, wind, hydrogen, and even atomic power will soon become a strong player again as new techniques of atomic waste disposal is discovered, as is the case now.

So, every drop of Saudi gas you burn, you help American long term strategy.

Again, whether it is produced in America or in Saudi Arabia, it is not WHERE it is produced that dictates world markets, it is the MARKET itself that dictate the cost.

No nation can horde their resources and say, "Now that we have used up the rest of the world's resources, we now have our own that we will not allow to be exported. That is not even good economics. World MARKET dictate prices. But, when the dollar is so far devalued as it is year by year, the higher our cost REGADLESS where the commodity comes from.

Sorry Ferd, I've already heard all these talking points by liberals. They have been disproven at every turn.

[Ferd]

Bro. S, in addition to the gulf oil find, there is an additional oil field on the eastern slopes of the rockies that may be even bigger.

and no, I do not listen to george the billionair idiot.

LIBERAL POSITION? ARE YOU NUTS?

you are my elder, thus i need to tread lightly...but them is fighten words! It would be a liberal position if I ended the sentance with we need the government to save us... quite the contrary. it is not a liberal position to say, energy needs will rise in the future, and thus we need to maintian leverage.

liberals WANT us to loose. i want us to WIN. nothing liberal about that.

[Ferd]

While the EUR/USD and GBP/USD are at record highs, both pairs are in the neighborhood of where they were in 2004. this is also in line with where analysts were calling for last august so I am not supprised.

at the same time, the USD/JPY is looks pretty strong for the dollar.


and also remember that when the dollar is weak, it is bad on imports but good for exports. there is a good and bad side.

[Brother Strange]

Bro. S, in addition to the gulf oil find, there is an additional oil field on the eastern slopes of the rockies that may be even bigger.

and no, I do not listen to george the billionair idiot.

LIBERAL POSITION? ARE YOU NUTS?

you are my elder, thus i need to tread lightly...but them is fighten words! It would be a liberal position if I ended the sentance with we need the government to save us... quite the contrary. it is not a liberal position to say, energy needs will rise in the future, and thus we need to maintian leverage.

liberals WANT us to loose. i want us to WIN. nothing liberal about that.

I agree to all of the above. Even the "nuts" part. :lol

Certainly it would be the government saving us if we were to have all of these resources here and not let free enterprise dictate prices and and markets. When government steps in to say, "Now that we have used up other sources of energy, what we have here will not be sold or shipped outside our borders but used by us exclusively," it is no longer a free enterprise economy. It is socialist. Our nation economy is built upon free market system. When our government starts dictating to American oil/energy companies to whom their product can be sold, then our government will have become a socialist government. Let us pray that never happens, though it seems headed in that direction...thanks to the likes of such persons as George Soros.

That just aint going to happen, Ferd. There are a few folk such as he who want to dictate world markets by corrupting currencies and and the use of propaganda, but we must resist it.

Sorry for the fighting words, but I am sure that you do not intend to lean toward liberal and socialist views. That is why we must beware of insideous designs upon us. They are everywhere.

[Brother Strange]

While the EUR/USD and GBP/USD are at record highs, both pairs are in the neighborhood of where they were in 2004. this is also in line with where analysts were calling for last august so I am not supprised.

at the same time, the USD/JPY is looks pretty strong for the dollar.


and also remember that when the dollar is weak, it is bad on imports but good for exports. there is a good and bad side.

You will always have those spikes. The trend has and will be a continued decline against all major pairs for the foreseeable future. Thus, the dollar is being discarded by world markets for the more stable Euro.

Yes, when the dollar is weak it is both good and bad, but the bad so far outweighs the good as to make it almost unmentionable. When the dollar is strong we have foreign investments without which our nation could not survive as a world economy. Right now, foreign investments are exiting the US in favor of more favorable treatment for their investments. This exodus has propelled the merging markets, particularly India and China. Money always goes where it is treated best.

[Brother Strange]

Take a look at this chart to the below left, and you’ll see that the U.S. dollar is in a pronounced decline in relation to other major currencies around the world.

If you look at the chart below right, you’ll see how this chart looks to investors in international currencies. They’re seeing their stocks – which are denominated in these currencies – going straight up.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m318/RayStrange/chartstogether.gif

There are two main reasons the dollar is likely to head lower. The first is economic fundamentals. The U.S. runs a massive trade deficit and budget deficit. That reduces confidence in the long-term value of the dollar. Bush's fiscal policy is transfering debt to future generations that we might have both guns and butter now. This is an illusion only. It will catch up with us sooner or later.

U.S. interest rates are also low relative to other nations. That means global investors shopping for the highest yields are likely to sell dollars and invest in higher-yielding currencies elsewhere. None of these factors are likely to change anytime soon.

But there’s another even more persuasive reason to believe that the dollar is likely to keep heading south. The Bush administration and most Americans don’t mind it. Why? Because it means U.S. exports are more competitively priced in foreign markets. That’s good for U.S. business. And, while there will always be up days and down days for the dollar, the declining greenback isn’t likely to experience a major reversal anytime soon, at least as far as can be seen right now.

The beauty of buying Alexander Green’s “Secret Market” recommendations right now is that you’re going to be buying stocks that rise… in currencies that are rising against the dollar. That allows you to double up on your potential profits!

Foreign money is being invested in stocks whose currencies are rising against the dollar. Thus, they glean profits in two ways, i.e., profitabilties of the coorporations and the rise of the currency against the dollar.

Let us not forget, money flows into markets where it is treated best.

I honestly believe that Bush will be remembered as the worst President that we've ever had, possibly worse than Carter. That would be a stretch. Bad as Clinton was, at least he had a conservative fiscal policy that balanced the budget.

[Digging4Truth]

The dollar is worth about 4 cents compared to what it was worth before our beloved, privately owned, Federal (even though it isn't Federal) Reserve (Even though it isn't a reserve) was formed.

[CC1]

Take a look at this chart to the below left, and you’ll see that the U.S. dollar is in a pronounced decline in relation to other major currencies around the world.

If you look at the chart below right, you’ll see how this chart looks to investors in international currencies. They’re seeing their stocks – which are denominated in these currencies – going straight up.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m318/RayStrange/chartstogether.gif

There are two main reasons the dollar is likely to head lower. The first is economic fundamentals. The U.S. runs a massive trade deficit and budget deficit. That reduces confidence in the long-term value of the dollar. Bush's fiscal policy is transfering debt to future generations that we might have both guns and butter now. This is an illusion only. It will catch up with us sooner or later.

U.S. interest rates are also low relative to other nations. That means global investors shopping for the highest yields are likely to sell dollars and invest in higher-yielding currencies elsewhere. None of these factors are likely to change anytime soon.

But there’s another even more persuasive reason to believe that the dollar is likely to keep heading south. The Bush administration and most Americans don’t mind it. Why? Because it means U.S. exports are more competitively priced in foreign markets. That’s good for U.S. business. And, while there will always be up days and down days for the dollar, the declining greenback isn’t likely to experience a major reversal anytime soon, at least as far as can be seen right now.

The beauty of buying Alexander Green’s “Secret Market” recommendations right now is that you’re going to be buying stocks that rise… in currencies that are rising against the dollar. That allows you to double up on your potential profits!

Foreign money is being invested in stocks whose currencies are rising against the dollar. Thus, they glean profits in two ways, i.e., profitabilties of the coorporations and the rise of the currency against the dollar.

Let us not forget, money flows into markets where it is treated best.

I honestly believe that Bush will be remembered as the worst President that we've ever had, possibly worse than Carter. That would be a stretch. Bad as Clinton was, at least he had a conservative fiscal policy that balanced the budget.

The only conservative fiscal policy that Clinton had was that the Cold War ended and both he and Republicans thought there was a "peace dividend". The amount of money spent on defense was greatly reduced. That and the election of a Republican majority in Congress for the first time in over 40 years were the only things that produced a balanced budget.

Truth is the military spending was cut way too far back as we have now learned. We would have been much better off not balancing the budget and have kept a military big enough to take care of our interests around the world.

I pretty much lost all respect for your intellect with the statement that GWB may be as bad a President as Jimmy Carter. You are old enough that you should remember 18% inflation, 21% interest rates, and the maliaise speech. Shame on you. No modern President has been as bad as Carter. (However he does build a nice house for low income folks!)

It is one thing to not like GWB or think he is bad but to put him in the same league as Carter is inexcusable. It is the unpardonable sin!

[Brother Strange]

[QUOTE=CC1;114254]The only conservative fiscal policy that Clinton had was that the Cold War ended and both he and Republicans thought there was a "peace dividend". The amount of money spent on defense was greatly reduced. That and the election of a Republican majority in Congress for the first time in over 40 years were the only things that produced a balanced budget.

Truth.

As we all know anything great that a good congress does, which the President ratifies, it is the President that claims the credit and is readily given to him by the public. Therefore, by default, Clinton receives credit for it though a reluctant party.

Truth is the military spending was cut way too far back as we have now learned. We would have been much better off not balancing the budget and have kept a military big enough to take care of our interests around the world.

This is also true. I never suggested that it is not.

I pretty much lost all respect for your intellect with the statement that GWB may be as bad a President as Jimmy Carter. You are old enough that you should remember 18% inflation, 21% interest rates, and the maliaise speech. Shame on you. No modern President has been as bad as Carter. (However he does build a nice house for low income folks!)

While I not trying to garner respect for my intellect, I certainly do remember 21% PRIME. I also remember the double digit, spiraling inflation that was slowing our economy to an almost standstill.

Whatever shame there may be in my statement, I willing accept while still maintaining my opinion that Bush may go down in history as the all time worst President. That yet remains to be seen, however. Am I not allowed to make a speculation? If you refuse to consider the crimes that Mr. Bush has and is perpetuating on us, what does that say of your OWN intellect, CC1?

I could give you my list of grievances against this Administration pages long. But the one grievance that I currently harbor the most at the moment had to do with a friend in Houston who has now spent their last dollar of savings, has remortgaged their home to the hilt and has cashed in their retirement for the purpose of defending their son in a court-martial for allegedly breaking a rule of engagement. Afterwards, they face bankruptcy. They inform me that they have been contacted by scores of other families who have to do the same thing.

Put yourself in their position for just a half minute. This is unheard of in military history. SHAME! SHAME!

It is one thing to not like GWB or think he is bad but to put him in the same league as Carter is inexcusable. It is the unpardonable sin!

Then I guess I have committed the unpardonable sin.

I was a Conservative Republican long before being a Conservative Republican was cool...beginning with Barry Goldwater. My political hero was Ronald Reagan. Saying that, I also must confess that I was also a great admirer of JFK. He stood down the Soviets twice. I was a participant in that show down each time, once being in Berlin and the other at Homestead AFB, Fla., when our finger was on a hair trigger with the Soviet Union in our crosshairs. I will never forget the great relief as I stood on the flight line amid the 614th Tactical Fighter Squadron of the 401st Tactical Fighter Wing when it was announced that the Soviets had blinked and backed down. A great sigh of relief came upon us all. We packed up and went back home to England Air Force Base at Alexandria, La. My estimation of JFK grew enormously.

The crimes of Bush are not the same crimes of Carter. Bush has reduced taxes. That has given our economy a tremendous boost, to his credit. But, the Bush doctrine reflected in his foreign policy has brought us national disgrace. I am ashamed of the way that we are conducting ourselves among nations.