Racists

[Sandra79]

If u was going to a church that u was finding out that several people there was racist would u continue to go? It is eating me alive Im tryin to hold off till my move, due to there are no perfect churches out there and certainly none in my area I could go to anyways. Although my move isnt going to be for another three yrs. It really makes me not want to go anywhere. Plus im looking to adopt a child thru foster care in the next yr or less. My dream is to adopt outside my race. I love diversity!!! Wonder how well this would be taken at my church...

[seekerman]

If u was going to a church that u was finding out that several people there was racist would u continue to go? It is eating me alive Im tryin to hold off till my move, due to there are no perfect churches out there and certainly none in my area I could go to anyways. Although my move isnt going to be for another three yrs. It really makes me not want to go anywhere. Plus im looking to adopt a child thru foster care in the next yr or less. My dream is to adopt outside my race. I love diversity!!! Wonder how well this would be taken at my church...

Are you attending a black church? I find them, generally speaking, to be the most racist churchgoing folks in the world. Several years ago I heard T.D. Jakes speaking on television and he was telling his congregation to do business with black businesses. I thought, what if a white minister on tv would say, do business with white businesses. They'd not be in that network the next week, I guarantee you.

[Sandra79]

No sir, its completely white. UNFORTUNALLY!!! I believe we would have sum more exciting services if black was there. Most the ppl are from the south that goes there if that explains a lot. And im wanting to move south... Wow so much to think about!!!

[Dedicated Mind]

there are racists in both black and white churches. As far as your church going, it depends on the leadership. Does the leadership welcome and encourage diversity or do they condone and tolerate racism. I could tolerate a few rotten apples in the congregation but not from the leadership.

[Amanah]

you are missing out on so much if you are not attending a multicultural church.

if your choir can't sway and sing at the same time,
you just might be in an all white church

if none of the sisters wear hats or scarves on their heads,
you just might be in an all white church

if there is no Jamaican food at the church picnic,
you just might be in an all white church

you need to come live in the south

[kclee4jc]

Our church used to be all white. We now have one black brother! When he first started coming, my pastor got word that someone had made some kind of racist remark. He waited till it was a service when our black bro was not there and he laid downt he law. He basically told us that if anyone had a problem with different races attending our church we needed to repent or leave. It was awesome! The area we live in has very little ethnic diversity. My pastor was praying God to send people of different ethnicities, so this really was a miracle. He wasn't going to let some sour puss destroy a soul. I would suggest you talk to your pastor and express your concerns to him. You'll know what to do after that.

[Digging4Truth]

What did these people do to be deemed racists?

And... no ma'am... the fact that most of the people are from the south doesn't "explain a lot". That would be prejudiced if ones place of birth gave me an assumption of their beliefs & values.

[MissBrattified]

If u was going to a church that u was finding out that several people there was racist would u continue to go? It is eating me alive Im tryin to hold off till my move, due to there are no perfect churches out there and certainly none in my area I could go to anyways. Although my move isnt going to be for another three yrs. It really makes me not want to go anywhere. Plus im looking to adopt a child thru foster care in the next yr or less. My dream is to adopt outside my race. I love diversity!!! Wonder how well this would be taken at my church...

I think it's a bad idea to base whether or not you attend a church by the perfection of the other members. e.g., If you like the assembly in general and you like the church leadership, ignore the idiots. There will always be people who attend churches that you dislike. If they're racists, then they NEED to be there.

IMO, when someone says something racist, the best thing to do is speak up. Nothing cows a racist quicker than having someone call them on their views. Don't be ugly, because that puts you on the same level. You can say something like, "Oh...do you dislike black people?" while looking sincerely puzzled. Or, "One of my best friends is Hispanic...they aren't like *that* at all!" Etc. Speak up in defense of your views and presumably your friends.

And understand this: There are different types of racism, although I agree that it's all bad. There are people who have been brought up in certain cultures where ignorance abounds and they really don't know any better. Be kind to them and educate them as much as you can. Then there are people who are truly ungodly and malicious. They say the most vicious and hateful things about people who don't share their skin color. Avoid them, and if they ask you why, tell them. Bluntly.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Are you attending a black church? I find them, generally speaking, to be the most racist churchgoing folks in the world. Several years ago I heard T.D. Jakes speaking on television and he was telling his congregation to do business with black businesses. I thought, what if a white minister on tv would say, do business with white businesses. They'd not be in that network the next week, I guarantee you.

There is a completely different dynamic in that statement that, when mentioned alone, the complete picture is not presented.


Doing business with minority-owned businesses helps to keep these (usually smaller businesses) alive-- thus helping the entire community, blacks and those who live with them and around them.

If small businesses thrive it is good for the local, state and national economy.


There is an unspoken bias within some circles of the black community that if you do business with a black person, you can't trust them, their products are defective, their prices are higher, blah, blah, and blah. He was speaking against that notion as well.


Given the congreagation population, the economic history (which is INDEED tied to their race) and location of Pastor Jakes' church, the statement you mentioned is hardly racist.

[MissBrattified]

Are you attending a black church? I find them, generally speaking, to be the most racist churchgoing folks in the world. Several years ago I heard T.D. Jakes speaking on television and he was telling his congregation to do business with black businesses. I thought, what if a white minister on tv would say, do business with white businesses. They'd not be in that network the next week, I guarantee you.

Weird, because I've felt exactly the opposite. Every time I've visited a black church, I've been warmly welcomed and I felt like part of the group. Probably moreso than when I've visited "white" churches for the first time. Generally speaking, diverse or ethnic churches just seem friendlier. (Is that a racist remark? :heeheehee)

[scotty]

There are probably half a dozen blacks who are members of my church. We don't have a problem, love them to death. They are great saints.

[seekerman]

There is a completely different dynamic in that statement that, when mentioned alone, the complete picture is not presented.


Doing business with minority-owned businesses helps to keep these (usually smaller businesses) alive-- thus helping the entire community, blacks and those who live with them and around them.

If small businesses thrive it is good for the local, state and national economy.


There is an unspoken bias within some circles of the black community that if you do business with a black person, you can't trust them, their products are defective, their prices are higher, blah, blah, and blah. He was speaking against that notion as well.


Given the congreagation population, the economic history (which is INDEED tied to their race) and location of Pastor Jakes' church, the statement you mentioned is hardly racist.

That's the victim mentality that's so prevalent among blacks. If we aren't succeeding it's SOMEONE ELSE'S fault. The truth is,iIf a black owned business isn't succeeding, it's the black owned business's fault, not whitey.

Look at the thousands of successful minority businesses within the Asian community for a good example. Minority after minority succeeds with hard work and providing a commodity that's needed at fair prices. That's the American way.

To do business with a person or store simply because they're black owned is wrong and perpetuates the victim mentality that's so common within the black behavior.

[Cindy]

Weird, because I've felt exactly the opposite. Every time I've visited a black church, I've been warmly welcomed and I felt like part of the group. Probably moreso than when I've visited "white" churches for the first time. Generally speaking, diverse or ethnic churches just seem friendlier. (Is that a racist remark? :heeheehee)

I attended a black church for a while. They welcomed us warmly. And I also taught the teenage class in Sunday School. It was awesome.

[Cindy]

That's the victim mentality that's so prevalent among blacks. If we aren't succeeding it's SOMEONE ELSE'S fault. The truth is,iIf a black owned business isn't succeeding, it's the black owned business's fault, not whitey.

Look at the thousands of successful minority businesses within the Asian community for a good example. Minority after minority succeeds with hard work and providing a commodity that's needed at fair prices. That's the American way.

To do business with a person or store simply because they're black owned is wrong and perpetuates the victim mentality that's so common within the black behavior.

In some parts of the country, maybe. The truth is a lot of small business's fail.

[houston]

I agree, seeker

[Digging4Truth]

Weird, because I've felt exactly the opposite. Every time I've visited a black church, I've been warmly welcomed and I felt like part of the group. Probably moreso than when I've visited "white" churches for the first time. Generally speaking, diverse or ethnic churches just seem friendlier. (Is that a racist remark? :heeheehee)

We recently sang at a COGIC church (almost 100% black membership) and we just can't keep up with the bookings since then. We were certainly received well and had a great time.

We were already booked for this coming Thursday or we would be singing at a COGIC youth revival in a neighboring town.

[Aquila]

One church I attended had a few seriously racist brothers and sisters. BUT... the church itself wasn't racist. The pastor preached against that kind of attitude strongly. If your pastor isn't the one making these remarks, I'd schedule a meeting with him and explain what you heard and how it troubled you. I'd also explain to him that you're looking to foster or adopt a child of another race and you're concerned with the environment they could face in the church. Upon hearing these things from you, I'd imagine that your pastor could address racism from the pulpit and make it clear on no uncertain terms that racist attitudes aren't tolerated in the church.

If that doesn't work... I'd change churches to protect the child I planned on fostering or adopting.

[Truthseeker]

Weird, because I've felt exactly the opposite. Every time I've visited a black church, I've been warmly welcomed and I felt like part of the group. Probably moreso than when I've visited "white" churches for the first time. Generally speaking, diverse or ethnic churches just seem friendlier. (Is that a racist remark? :heeheehee)

Hands down, black churches are more welcoming and friendly.

[soldoutochrist]

Hands down, black churches are more welcoming and friendly.

This has been my experience and cannot be generalized. But the only time that I've found "white" churches particularly unwelcome or seemingly uncomfortable is when I was in an area with very little diversity.

When churches are surrounded by diversity and people of all different colors, it's a lot harder to be ignorant about race. Just my two cents.

[Truthseeker]

I remember when we were helping a church that didn't have a pastor, some of us would rotate through. I invited a lady cashier she responded "isn't that a black church" I responded "not when I'm there" :)

[BrotherEastman]

I love Black preachers! Lambert Gates is my favorite, although I like Noel Jones, T.D. Jakes and the late Norman Wagner and G.E. Patterson. I love their spirit when they preach!!!!

[houston]

I know "hispanics" who act "white" who will not sit under a black pastor because of culture shock, or that is their excuse.

[Praxeas]

I know "hispanics" who act "white" who will not sit under a black pastor because of culture shock, or that is their excuse.
Yeah the "racism" (that's not really what it is), is in every "race" and in different kinds of churches.

I've mentioned tis before but I know of a Spanish Apostolic church that sees it as their "mission" to take hispanic members from other Apostolic churches based on the idea that the belong with their own kind. No joke.

On the other hand I know of a PAW that thinks my pastor has a problem with them because they are black. Never mind the fact that one of my Pastors good friends is a black baptist pastor of one of the largest churchs in this city.

There was a situation where we shared services with the PAW and each time, afterwards, we would find holes in the drum heads. There were other issues too. My pastor tried to reason with the PAW pastor over this stuff but he just got offended and assumed it was racism...never mind we shared several services with them. Why do that to begin with if my pastor is racist?

That's just stupid stuff. It needs to go out the window when we claim Jesus as Lord

[On The Wheel]

A very prominent white UPCI pastor in Mississippi once told his church that if they did not like black people coming to church, "The back of your head looks as good as the front. Just leave!" He never was able to turn that church around (he'd taken an established church from another), so he left it and started another from the ground up. He began it by busing in black folks so they would be in the foundation of the church. Anyone who did not approve would never stay long enough to spread their racism around.

He has a powerful, thriving, multicultural church in the heart of the south.

[Dagwood]

At the church I went to east of Dallas up until a few years ago, we bused in more of the black community than the rest of the town, which was very much a segregated town -- 1/3 was whites, another 1/3 was hispanics, and the other 1/3 was black. The remaining was a mix of all three.

Unfortunately, most (not all) of the black kids we bused in were very disrespectful and abusive to property to the point we could not longer afford to pick them up. As for the rest, very much full of respect.

For those that know Terrell, TX, you'd know what I'm talking about...

[MissBrattified]

This has been my experience and cannot be generalized. But the only time that I've found "white" churches particularly unwelcome or seemingly uncomfortable is when I was in an area with very little diversity.

When churches are surrounded by diversity and people of all different colors, it's a lot harder to be ignorant about race. Just my two cents.

I agree, and there are areas of the country that are practically still segregated. Even in our little town, there is a distinct lack of minorities. Our kids go to a private school now, and it's mostly white with a handful of Hispanics or Native American Indians thrown in. People tend to be more ignorant in those areas and their actions and conversations match their lack of sophistication. Exposure to other cultures is the best remedy, but some people will always live in their own little pod. And some will only notice the negative aspects of other cultures and use it to support their ignorant notions.

[Truthseeker]

. Exposure to other cultures is the best remedy, but some people will always live in their own little pod. And some will only notice the negative aspects of other cultures and use it to support their ignorant notions.

Bingo! My wife was raised in the racial box, but going to military being exposed to all races helped her greatly. Just like some white families instill junk in their kids, minorities do as well.

[aegsm76]

I am also curious to know how she knows the people in her current church are racist?
I have been in several different churches in my lifetime, due to relocating with my job.
Three of these churches have been in the South and none of them were any way racist.
They were all great revival and evangelistic churches who had a passion for the lost, no matter the color of their skin.

[johnny44]

I know "hispanics" who act "white" who will not sit under a black pastor because of culture shock, or that is their excuse.I think hispanics are taught that by their enviroment.

[Digging4Truth]

I am also curious to know how she knows the people in her current church are racist?
I have been in several different churches in my lifetime, due to relocating with my job.
Three of these churches have been in the South and none of them were any way racist.
They were all great revival and evangelistic churches who had a passion for the lost, no matter the color of their skin.

Yep... I posed the same question.

I also find what appears to be a prejudiced statement toward southerners interesting.

[Truthseeker]

I am also curious to know how she knows the people in her current church are racist?
I have been in several different churches in my lifetime, due to relocating with my job.
Three of these churches have been in the South and none of them were any way racist.
They were all great revival and evangelistic churches who had a passion for the lost, no matter the color of their skin.

people have various experiences. Plus this is 2011, more prominent back in the day. People do change.

[Hoovie]

I went to Jakes church a few months ago... felt no racism there at all. However there were a few other things that I did not enjoy.

the decibel level was waaay high. and there was a strange thing about money... alot of offering pomp - going into the sanctuary and coming out, not to mention the regular offering push and also people running up and throwing money at the speaker...
It really did not make me want to give.

Oh well.

[Praxeas]

I don't think she said the church was racist but that she encountered some racist members

[MomOfADramaQn]

No sir, its completely white. UNFORTUNALLY!!! I believe we would have sum more exciting services if black was there. Most the ppl are from the south that goes there if that explains a lot. And im wanting to move south... Wow so much to think about!!!



I was born, rasied and still live in the south and your statement is racist. Racist does not just mean whites againts blacks. It sounds to me as if you are racist against people from the south and that puts you in the same category as those from your church who you claim are racist.

There are many intelligent non-racist people in the south. Unfornuately, the ones that get the attention are the ones who are racist. Curious as to how many non-racist people from the south are in your church?

[Digging4Truth]

I was born, rasied and still live in the south and your statement is racist. Racist does not just mean whites againts blacks. It sounds to me as if you are racist against people from the south and that puts you in the same category as those from your church who you claim are racist.

There are many intelligent non-racist people in the south. Unfornuately, the ones that get the attention are the ones who are racist. Curious as to how many non-racist people from the south are in your church?

I agree with your statement and have made several posts to this effect.

But... I would interject this. Her statement isn't as much racist as it is prejudiced.

[NorCal]

you are missing out on so much if you are not attending a multicultural church.

if your choir can't sway and sing at the same time,
you just might be in an all white church

if none of the sisters wear hats or scarves on their heads,
you just might be in an all white church

if there is no Jamaican food at the church picnic,
you just might be in an all white church

you need to come live in the south

You do not know Multi-Cultural until you have been to California. Church in more then one language. Red, Yellow, Black and White; they really are precious in His sight.

I lived in the South for a year. There was more racism from both sides that I have ever seen in my life. Not so much in the church that I attended though.

[johnny44]

You do not know Multi-Cultural until you have been to California. Church in more then one language. Red, Yellow, Black and White; they really are precious in His sight.I lived in the South for a year. There was more racism from both sides that I have ever seen in my life. Not so much in the church that I attended though.Did you sing that in Sunday school too?

[RandyWayne]

I have been told repeatedly that I am racist because I cannot stand black gospel or rap.

[Digging4Truth]

I have been told repeatedly that I am racist because I cannot stand black gospel or rap.

Yeah. That's why I tend to ask questions because the definitions for racist are so subjective and often ridiculous.

[NorCal]

Did you sing that in Sunday school too?

No I sang: Red, yellow, black and green; strangest kids you have ever seen!!

[Jermyn Davidson]

That's the victim mentality that's so prevalent among blacks. If we aren't succeeding it's SOMEONE ELSE'S fault. The truth is,iIf a black owned business isn't succeeding, it's the black owned business's fault, not whitey.

Look at the thousands of successful minority businesses within the Asian community for a good example. Minority after minority succeeds with hard work and providing a commodity that's needed at fair prices. That's the American way.

To do business with a person or store simply because they're black owned is wrong and perpetuates the victim mentality that's so common within the black behavior.

I disagree with you.

First off, a black person's reasoning to do business with a black owned business is not wrong as long as the motivation behind it is not racial hatred of other non-blacks.

Second of all, if more black owned businesses thrived there would not be any room for the "victim mentality" because of whitey.

The stats from the current economic turndown are staggering, hardly anyone is blaming "whitey", still some are blaming Bush but that's not the same thing. People realize the economy is bad for everyone, yet and still the bad economy has affected blacks and other minorities disproportionately.

Why?


My Dad made a joke when I was a little kid, years ago when we were going to visit my Grandparents and extended family in West Virginia-- a region economically depressed for a long time now.

"When I walked into a McDonald's and saw all the employees were white, I knew black people didn't stand a chance for finding a job down there in that rubbish town."

We laughed, but there was some truth behind that joke.



You won't hear hardly anyone criticize Jews for supporting other Jews in business and charity, but to suggest for blacks to do the same thing is some how racist.

It's not racist, it's survival and to have more black owned businesses thriving is good not just for blacks, but for the whole society.

More businesses, more jobs. More jobs, better schools. Better schools, better standards of living. Better standards of living, less people turning to petty crime (i.e. drug dealing) to make money.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I think hispanics are taught that by their enviroment.

I think this goes for all humans.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Yeah. That's why I tend to ask questions because the definitions for racist are so subjective and often ridiculous.

Racism and prejudice are different, but people lump them all together whenever it suits their purposes.


I am prejudiced against obeese women.

I am prejudiced for Wendy's specialty burgers-- a new one every 2 or 3 months.



I am racist against Martians. I think they are bad.

[Digging4Truth]

Racism and prejudice are different, but people lump them all together whenever it suits their purposes.


I am prejudiced against obeese women.

I am prejudiced for Wendy's specialty burgers-- a new one every 2 or 3 months.



I am racist against Martians. I think they are bad.

Are you working to resolve these flaws in your character?

[Praxeas]

I was born, rasied and still live in the south and your statement is racist. Racist does not just mean whites againts blacks. It sounds to me as if you are racist against people from the south and that puts you in the same category as those from your church who you claim are racist.

There are many intelligent non-racist people in the south. Unfornuately, the ones that get the attention are the ones who are racist. Curious as to how many non-racist people from the south are in your church?
Uh, no it does not. It portrays her as being ignorant or prejudiced but being from the south is not a race

[Jermyn Davidson]

Are you working to resolve these flaws in your character?

Well, confessing my faults is a start.
:thumbsup

[Praxeas]

I disagree with you.

First off, a black person's reasoning to do business with a black owned business is not wrong as long as the motivation behind it is not racial hatred of other non-blacks.

Second of all, if more black owned businesses thrived there would not be any room for the "victim mentality" because of whitey.

The stats from the current economic turndown are staggering, hardly anyone is blaming "whitey", still some are blaming Bush but that's not the same thing. People realize the economy is bad for everyone, yet and still the bad economy has affected blacks and other minorities disproportionately.

Why?


My Dad made a joke when I was a little kid, years ago when we were going to visit my Grandparents and extended family in West Virginia-- a region economically depressed for a long time now.

"When I walked into a McDonald's and saw all the employees were white, I knew black people didn't stand a chance for finding a job down there in that rubbish town."

We laughed, but there was some truth behind that joke.



You won't hear hardly anyone criticize Jews for supporting other Jews in business and charity, but to suggest for blacks to do the same thing is some how racist.

It's not racist, it's survival and to have more black owned businesses thriving is good not just for blacks, but for the whole society.

More businesses, more jobs. More jobs, better schools. Better schools, better standards of living. Better standards of living, less people turning to petty crime (i.e. drug dealing) to make money.
What if the same people who do business with blacks because the are black refuse to do business with whites or latinos?

[Digging4Truth]

Well, confessing my faults is a start.
:thumbsup

Indeed.

[Jermyn Davidson]

What if the same people who do business with blacks because the are black refuse to do business with whites or latinos?

I think that's one of the dangers of the mindset, "I am going to support black businesses" it can turn into something else.


Even still, if I could easily buy everything that I purchase from businesses that are American-owned and operated only, I would.

Why?

Our country needs help. It's always better to support your own-- and your own doesn't necessarily have to be a racial referrence.

Why should I support Amir in southern India when I could support Marcus down the street?

Why should I purchase my cheesy American Flag lapels from a Chinese manufacturer?


Why would I go to the "Soul Food" restaurant in SE DC that is owned and operated by a Korean family?

There are Christians who purchase their fast food almost solely from Chic Fil A. Are they wrong for doing so?



Blacks and whites throw the "racist" word around so much without any respect for the meaning of the word.

Preferrences are human nature.

Racism implies something that is sytematic.

[Praxeas]

I think that's one of the dangers of the mindset, "I am going to support black businesses" it can turn into something else.


Even still, if I could easily buy everything that I purchase from businesses that are American-owned and operated only, I would.

Why?

Our country needs help. It's always better to support your own-- and your own doesn't necessarily have to be a racial referrence.

Why should I support Amir in southern India when I could support Marcus down the street?

Why should I purchase my cheesy American Flag lapels from a Chinese manufacturer?


Why would I go to the "Soul Food" restaurant in SE DC that is owned and operated by a Korean family?

There are Christians who purchase their fast food almost solely from Chic Fil A. Are they wrong for doing so?



Blacks and whites throw the "racist" word around so much without any respect for the meaning of the word.

Preferrences are human nature.

Racism implies something that is sytematic.
Right...supporting your own.

Supporting your own country more than others is called NationalISM

Supporting your own race more than others is called .......

[Jermyn Davidson]

Right...supporting your own.

Supporting your own country more than others is called NationalISM

Supporting your own race more than others is called .......

WOW!

Food for thought for sure. Thank you.


Still, you can support your own country without hating others.

The same can be said in matters of race too.

To extrapolate from your point of view, any kind of preferences at all could be coined as racism-- and that's just not reality.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The congressmen and lobbyists attempting in DC to keep the job-producing Defense contracts in the state of Alabama over the other 49 states in our country-- are they guilty of "state-ism"?

[Digging4Truth]

WOW!

Food for thought for sure. Thank you.


Still, you can support your own country without hating others.

The same can be said in matters of race too.

To extrapolate from your point of view, any kind of preferences at all could be coined as racism-- and that's just not reality.

Agreed on your last point.

Question then...

Can a person of any race support a business run/owned/operated etc by people of their own race without hating others?

[Digging4Truth]

The congressmen and lobbyists attempting in DC to keep the job-producing Defense contracts in the state of Alabama over the other 49 states in our country-- are they guilty of "state-ism"?

They are probably practicing state-ism.

One would only be "guilty" of it if their actions are wrong.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Agreed on your last point.

Question then...

Can a person of any race support a business run/owned/operated etc by people of their own race without hating others?

Can a white person marry another white person without hating black people?

Can I choose to buy a made in America Cannondale without hating the Mexican or Chinese who manufacture the Trek?


Can I choose to go to an Italian Restaurant that is owned and operated by Italians without hating the CEO of Darden?

[Jermyn Davidson]

They are probably practicing state-ism.

One would only be "guilty" of it if their actions are wrong.

Are their actions wrong?

What's wrong with working hard to bring more jobs to your state?

If the people of Alabama elected them, they need to do what they can to support the people they represent.

[Digging4Truth]

Are their actions wrong?

What's wrong with working hard to bring more jobs to your state?

If the people of Alabama elected them, they need to do what they can to support the people they represent.

Agreed.

You'll get no argument from me on that issue. that was someone else who was arguing with you on that.

[Praxeas]

WOW!

Food for thought for sure. Thank you.


Still, you can support your own country without hating others.

The same can be said in matters of race too.

To extrapolate from your point of view, any kind of preferences at all could be coined as racism-- and that's just not reality.
A white person that "prefers" his own kind is usually labeled a racist

[Praxeas]

Can a white person marry another white person without hating black people?

Can I choose to buy a made in America Cannondale without hating the Mexican or Chinese who manufacture the Trek?


Can I choose to go to an Italian Restaurant that is owned and operated by Italians without hating the CEO of Darden?
What a white person that prefers to "marry his own kind" or "to support the white race"?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Can a white person marry another white person without hating black people?

It depends on their mindset and intents.


Can I choose to buy a made in America Cannondale without hating the Mexican or Chinese who manufacture the Trek?

It depends on my mindset and intent.


Can I choose to go to an Italian Restaurant that is owned and operated by Italians without hating the CEO of Darden?

It depends on my mindset and intent.

[Jermyn Davidson]

What a white person that prefers to "marry his own kind" or "to support the white race"?

One of my ex-girlfriends, the one whose picture I used to show with my profile, implored that I seek and marry a black woman, but she didn't say this because she is racist-- she is definitely not a racist or bigot.

She did this because of certain racial realities in America.


Given the reality that American whites will be a minority in my lifetime, I can understand the notion of "supporting the white race."

This view is problematic two fold: because the white people who usually say things like this (even today) publicly also have another agenda that is hateful and because of our shared painful history that meant exclusion of others to their detriment.

Still, a person can reason this way and still not be hateful.

[johnny44]

Hands down, black churches are more welcoming and friendly.Was a member of a black church once.The Elder in charge started preaching on me when I grew a beard.The Bishop over the Elder all of a sudden showed up with a beard.Elder grew a beard.Elder silenced me after that and no one was suppose to speak to me .Didn't work,so he tried to excommunicate .Once again bishop came to the rescue.

[johnny44]

One of my ex-girlfriends, the one whose picture I used to show with my profile, implored that I seek and marry a black woman, but she didn't say this because she is racist-- she is definitely not a racist or bigot.

She did this because of certain racial realities in America.


Given the reality that American whites will be a minority in my lifetime, I can understand the notion of "supporting the white race."

This view is problematic two fold: because the white people who usually say things like this (even today) publicly also have another agenda that is hateful and because of our shared painful history that meant exclusion of others to their detriment.

Still, a person can reason this way and still not be hateful.Lived in the south all my life.When I went for an interview for a job I was told I would not get the job because I wasn't white. By the south I mean southern Calif.:heeheehee

[Timmy]

I think whites should be kept separate from colored
































clothes, in the laundry. :D

[johnny44]

I think whites should be kept separate from colored
































clothes, in the laundry. :DYou need alittle color in your life.:heeheehee

[houston]

I support any business that is not ghetto.

[tstew]

Okay, I guess I'll wade in a bit:) Just a few thoughts:

1.) Suppose you live in a border city where white people make up 12% of the population. Suppose there is historic tendency of the majority race in your city to prefer to do business with "their kind". Suppose in your lifetime there was a time when you were forbidden from even entering their businesses? Would you think that he potential for some sort of lingering bias in some is unthinkable? Do you think you would feel an obligation to do business with the white owned businesses when possible?

2.) Many black owned businesses are in communities where other people don't feel as comfortable coming. Honestly, in many cases people don't feel as comfortable for good reason. But either way the end result is that they are in communities where others do not or will not come. In those cases, if the black community does not patronize their business, no one will. For example, our church happens to be in such a neighborhood and I know this to be a reality for some of the business owners around.


I'm just throwing these out for your consideration. I am not a proponent of racism anywhere by anyone. I'm just wanting to expand the scope of this conversation.

[Digging4Truth]

Okay, I guess I'll wade in a bit:) Just a few thoughts:

1.) Suppose you live in a border city where white people make up 12% of the population. Suppose there is historic tendency of the majority race in your city to prefer to do business with "their kind". Suppose in your lifetime there was a time when you were forbidden from even entering their businesses? Would you think that he potential for some sort of lingering bias in some is unthinkable? Do you think you would feel an obligation to do business with the white owned businesses when possible?

2.) Many black owned businesses are in communities where other people don't feel as comfortable coming. Honestly, in many cases people don't feel as comfortable for good reason. But either way the end result is that they are in communities where others do not or will not come. In those cases, if the black community does not patronize their business, no one will. For example, our church happens to be in such a neighborhood and I know this to be a reality for some of the business owners around.


I'm just throwing these out for your consideration. I am not a proponent of racism anywhere by anyone. I'm just wanting to expand the scope of this conversation.

Agreed on all points.

The thing is that we should all be free to shop where we want for the reasons we want. If someone makes these choices because of hatred for whatever the "other" group is then they have problems. But... still they're free to make their choices no matter what their reasoning is.

The same type of thought process is one I employ on a whole other level. I prefer to shop with local companies rather than with big box stores because the local economy is being dwindled away by allowing so many national and multinational chains to come in and slowly syphon the local economy off to another place.

It is prejudiced for me to assume I know anyones reasoning for what they do. I have prejudged them if I make a call on the basis for their actions outside of hearing them actually say what their reasonings are.

[Praxeas]

I'll repeat it. If white person insists that they, a white person, prefers to marry "their own kind"...they will be labeled racists

[houston]

I am in a border town. All of my major shopping is done in national chains for the following reasons: lower price, better quality.

I am sure there are a few independently owned white establishments. But I have yet to find one.

[Digging4Truth]

I'll repeat it. If white person insists that they, a white person, prefers to marry "their own kind"...they will be labeled racists

Indeed they would be labeled as such.

But the question is... are they?

[Praxeas]

Going by what JD said, not necessarily

[Digging4Truth]

Going by what JD said, not necessarily

That would be my feeling on it... Labeled.. almost certainly... are they actually?

Who knows. To decide whether they are without their actual statement would be prejudiced.

[darrmad]

How racist church people plan to go to Gods heaven is beyond me.Do they think that heaven will be segregated one side for blacks one for whites another for hispnics.These racist church people would miserable in a Gods heaven where every race on the planet will mingle.I can understand Whites wanting to marry their own kind.The census says White babies are already the minority in America.Census predicts by the year 2030 Hispanics and minorities will be the new majority in America.Nothing racist about Dating and marrying your own kind of race that is what I do.

[darrmad]

Oh and I believe in adopting babies in my own race.Nothing is more sicker than seeing all these White people and famous Whites adopting little black babies.A black baby should be raised by a black family and vice versa.

[Amanah]

There is nothing "sick" about adopting a baby that is not your same race, on the other hand there is no reason why you should not adopt a baby of your preference. If I was in the market for adopting, I would think a little asian baby girl would be appealing, even though I'm of Greek ancestry, so what?

[darrmad]

This has been my experience and cannot be generalized. But the only time that I've found "white" churches particularly unwelcome or seemingly uncomfortable is when I was in an area with very little diversity.

When churches are surrounded by diversity and people of all different colors, it's a lot harder to be ignorant about race. Just my two cents.

This is the truth sis how many times has a white preacher come to visit a black church and they let him sit up there in the pulpit.They treat him like some white token.

[Dagwood]

This is the truth sis how many times has a white preacher come to visit a black church and they let him sit up there in the pulpit.They treat him like some white token.

Darrmad, welcome to the forum. Considering you haven't even introduced yourself in the Welcome Mat, I think you're chiming in a little on the heavy side.

Now, tell us a little about yourself. Where ya from, where ya live, your spiritual beliefs, etc... in the appropriate section, of course...

[Hoovie]

Oh and I believe in adopting babies in my own race.Nothing is more sicker than seeing all these White people and famous Whites adopting little black babies.A black baby should be raised by a black family and vice versa.

Uh, no. I certainly don't see that. Many in my brother's conservative Mennonite church have black "prison babies" while the mom is in prison - sometimes this leads to adoption. It's wonderful, not "sick" at all.

[MissBrattified]

Oh and I believe in adopting babies in my own race.Nothing is more sicker than seeing all these White people and famous Whites adopting little black babies.A black baby should be raised by a black family and vice versa.

How is that sick? The only difference between a black baby and adoptive white parents is the color of their skin. If they are raised in that home, they will share the family culture. Nothing sick about it. There are lots of children who need to be adopted and a lot of them are from ethnic groups. My husband and I have discussed adopting in the future, and if we decide to, we will do it without regard to the color of the child's skin.

[soldoutochrist]

This is the truth sis how many times has a white preacher come to visit a black church and they let him sit up there in the pulpit.They treat him like some white token.

Not quite where I was going with that, but okay. :)

[Truthseeker]

Oh and I believe in adopting babies in my own race.Nothing is more sicker than seeing all these White people and famous Whites adopting little black babies.A black baby should be raised by a black family and vice versa.

Why is it sicker?

[Truthseeker]

How racist church people plan to go to Gods heaven is beyond me.Do they think that heaven will be segregated one side for blacks one for whites another for hispnics.These racist church people would miserable in a Gods heaven where every race on the planet will mingle.I can understand Whites wanting to marry their own kind.The census says White babies are already the minority in America.Census predicts by the year 2030 Hispanics and minorities will be the new majority in America.Nothing racist about Dating and marrying your own kind of race that is what I do.

Nothing wrong with choosing to date won race, nothing wrong with dating outside own race as well.

[Sister Alvear]

I raced black babies...precious....

[Truthseeker]

I raced black babies...precious....

Where you raced them to. :heeheehee

[Timmy]

Where you raced them to. :heeheehee

And who won? :toofunny

[Sister Alvear]

I deeply love both Michael and Rebecca...years have passed now they are married and have their own children. Michael (by choice) build his house right next to ours and Beckies house is behind our house...among all the children we raised they have made our sacrifice worthwhile in this life by helping us. I deeply love them and the precious grandbabies and their spouses.
Color does not matter to me...On different occassions I offered to help them find their blood mother...neither wanted to...they always say you are the only mother we know. I would not be jealous if they had felt to find their blood mother.

Michael is taking care of our church while we are in America. We never made any difference between them and our blood son, Raul. Raul we love him...he came natural...Michael and Rebecca came by choice...

[Dagwood]

I'd rather be raced than razed...

[Sister Alvear]

Raised....ha....

[Sister Alvear]

Sorry...typing mistake...

[Dagwood]

Sorry...typing mistake...

We all know what you meant... :thumbsup

[tstew]

I raced black babies...precious....

I bet we all know who won.














Yeah, yeah...I can make that joke. LOL.

[scotty]

I bet we all know who won.

Yeah, yeah...I can make that joke. LOL.


I know right ?!? Rush made that joke and lost his NFL commentator seat. :heeheehee

[MissBrattified]

I bet we all know who won.














Yeah, yeah...I can make that joke. LOL.

:toofunny

[Hoovie]

I raced black babies...precious....

Thanks for the laugh! Quite the mental image! :happydance