If you have been hurt by family, friends or church

[Rob McKee]

Incredible Message preached @ POK...during the ARM Conference
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[RandyWayne]

Listening

[berkeley]

Listening

...and?

[Amanah]

Aquila, you should listen to this message, listen to the whole thing though, it takes a while for him to get to the point

[Amanah]

everyone who thinks they are perfect, needs to listen to this message

[RandyWayne]

Aquila, you should listen to this message, listen to the whole thing though, it takes a while for him to get to the point

Actually, it takes WAY too long for him to get to the point. Strip all of the applause lines and the versus designed to get shouts from an apostolic audience, and your left with a 5 minute message.

[RandyWayne]

everyone who thinks they are perfect, needs to listen to this message

Or listen to the random scripture generator on my computer.

[Phoenix]

everyone who thinks they are perfect, needs to listen to this message

Ouch. How does thinking you're perfect fit in with being hurt?

[Amanah]

Ouch. How does thinking you're perfect fit in with being hurt?

he talks about how the church needs to quit hiding our faults, flaws, and be transparant with each other. we re so afraid to admit our wounds, our divorces, children messing up, struggles with pornography, addictions, you need to hear it really to understand

some of the things he talks about are things Aquila has posted about, having struggles and not being perfect

if we can't admit to each other who we really are and what we are really struggling with, there is no way to be healed.

this is what Aquila posted about yesterday

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I didn't word it right, I should have said everyone who feels the need to project to the world that they are perfect, needs to listen to this, my brain short circuited what I really meant to convey

[pelathais]

Ouch. How does thinking you're perfect fit in with being hurt?

A big "Thank You!" to Rob McKee for sharing this, however, I for one will have to wait for the print edition.

Phoenix: I think, that when "the church" or a minister has wronged an individual it might be common for the one who has done the wrong to feel at least some remorse. In that condition of remorse they will often seek to justify themselves rather than seeking justification in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

This self justification will cause them to project their own feelings and thoughts upon those they have wronged. Among these thoughts are things like, "...Well! I suppose they think they're perfect and that THEY have never hurt anyone!"

Blaming the victim in any way is an act of self justification and will hinder real reconciliation; but it is a way for the offender to offset their remorse and to feel better about themselves without having to resort to real repentance.

**** I have no idea that this speaker in this recording takes any position like this. I also trust that Rob McKee is too kind and gracious to resort to this kind of thing, so I don't want to be thought of as impugning either of these brothers. I am hearing impaired and just can't make out most online audio. These are simply my thoughts in response to Phoenix' question.

[Rob McKee]

The message is an incredible message of healing...
He recognizes that people "do" get hurt...
We cannot live as victims the rest of our lives...

One quote was taken from the book "Black Hawk Down" when a soldier was told by an officer..."Get in and drive the truck". He responded "But I've been shot". His commander answered "We've all been shot...now drive the truck". Everyone has been hurt. I believe it was TD Jakes that once said "If you preach to the hurting you'll always have an audience"

One other powerful point in the message was "We often want more than healing. We want God to take away all the evidence of our hurt. Scars are a testimony of God's ability to heal. Don't be afraid of showing your scars."

This message ministered to a lot of people in our congregation who have been hurt by people that they trusted. I understand that some on this forum will look for something negative to criticize...but it really was a powerful message. It helped me...I hope it helps someone else.

[Phoenix]

Amanah, thank you for clarifying. This makes a lot of sense.

he talks about how the church needs to quit hiding our faults, flaws, and be transparant with each other. we re so afraid to admit our wounds, our divorces, children messing up, struggles with pornography, addictions, you need to hear it really to understand

some of the things he talks about are things Aquila has posted about, having struggles and not being perfect

if we can't admit to each other who we really are and what we are really struggling with, there is no way to be healed.

this is what Aquila posted about yesterday

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I didn't word it right, I should have said everyone who feels the need to project to the world that they are perfect, needs to listen to this, my brain short circuited what I really meant to convey

[Phoenix]

Pelathais, thank you for this response. :)

I don't have time to watch the video right now either, too many videos for school I should be watching instead of even checking in here quickly. :)

A big "Thank You!" to Rob McKee for sharing this, however, I for one will have to wait for the print edition.

Phoenix: I think, that when "the church" or a minister has wronged an individual it might be common for the one who has done the wrong to feel at least some remorse. In that condition of remorse they will often seek to justify themselves rather than seeking justification in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

This self justification will cause them to project their own feelings and thoughts upon those they have wronged. Among these thoughts are things like, "...Well! I suppose they think they're perfect and that THEY have never hurt anyone!"

Blaming the victim in any way is an act of self justification and will hinder real reconciliation; but it is a way for the offender to offset their remorse and to feel better about themselves without having to resort to real repentance.

**** I have no idea that this speaker in this recording takes any position like this. I also trust that Rob McKee is too kind and gracious to resort to this kind of thing, so I don't want to be thought of as impugning either of these brothers. I am hearing impaired and just can't make out most online audio. These are simply my thoughts in response to Phoenix' question.

[Truthseeker]

he talks about how the church needs to quit hiding our faults, flaws, and be transparant with each other. we re so afraid to admit our wounds, our divorces, children messing up, struggles with pornography, addictions,

Isn't that the truth!