View Full Version : Return to "standards/notv"?
Truthseeker
09-26-2011, 05:33 PM
Have you or know of someone who dropped standards or got tv, but didn't like where it led and returned back to previous convictions?
NorCal
09-26-2011, 05:51 PM
*Raises his hand*
houston
09-26-2011, 05:53 PM
No.
houston
09-26-2011, 05:59 PM
I answered too soon. Yes, people that went worldly/sinful, later to return to their UC church. People that dropped legalism and remained Christian, later to go back into standards, no.
**I am a liberal and there is not much on tv that I can stomach.**
Michael The Disciple
09-26-2011, 06:19 PM
I never had TV for 9 years at one stretch from 78 to 87. Picked it back up then until about 3 years ago we pulled the plug. We can watch anything we want to watch on the net so we dont need it.
RandyWayne
09-26-2011, 07:14 PM
I never had TV for 9 years at one stretch from 78 to 87. Picked it back up then until about 3 years ago we pulled the plug. We can watch anything we want to watch on the net so we dont need it.
So in other words, your a classic "Cable cutter". You are one among many in the tech community to whom Hulu and Netflix has replaced any broadcast television.
Michael The Disciple
09-26-2011, 07:46 PM
So in other words, your a classic "Cable cutter". You are one among many in the tech community to whom Hulu and Netflix has replaced any broadcast television.
Well I basically use Youtube.
Dedicated Mind
09-26-2011, 10:03 PM
I only use tv for NBA, political debates and an occasional political news show like Chris Mathews. The rest of the time it's internet.
I answered too soon. Yes, people that went worldly/sinful, later to return to their UC church. People that dropped legalism and remained Christian, later to go back into standards, no.
**I am a liberal and there is not much on tv that I can stomach.**
Exactly! I remember a few years ago either on this forum or one of its predecessors one or two conservatives would post about how they went liberal and then saw the light and became conservative again.
However when I would ask them questions like "while you were "liberal" were you plugged into a church you attended faithfully, did you maintain your prayer life and bible study, etc" they answered no to all of those type questions.
The reality was they had just backslid away from God and started doing some of the things liberals do but for completely different reasons and not because they really believed they were ok to do. It was dishonest of them to portray
their backslidden state as one of becoming a liberal.
The only case of someone going lib and going back to at least semi conservative is a former poster her and her husband who were UPC pastors that left the UPC. Later joined a liberal org., pastored one or two liberal churches, then went back to the UPC. This was not in the United States and we don't need to discuss who this is or specifics as they are very sensitive about the subject. They don't need any waves interfering with their re-found bundage.
FlamingZword
09-26-2011, 10:48 PM
Have you or know of someone who dropped standards or got tv, but didn't like where it led and returned back to previous convictions?
This is really a moot point.
With the Internet there is no longer a need to have a TV you can watch anything you want online.
You can even watch much worse things online than you could ever watch on TV. If we are going by the evil content then the UPC needs to ban computers or the Internet. That really would be consistent.
It is really a matter of convictions and personal holiness.
The UPC can ban TV all they want but tv is not going to go away.
pelathais
09-26-2011, 10:57 PM
I only use tv for NBA, political debates and an occasional political news show like Chris Mathews. The rest of the time it's internet.
"Chris Matthews!?!" :spit :laffatu
Dude, cut the cable!
But seriously, I can imagine someone going back to "no TV" out of "convictions" or "standards" - I just don't know anyone. Most of the people I know have gone from a "No TV" to a disciplined sort of television viewing.
Again, I can imagine someone going overboard and getting a TV and watching only the Pay-To-View porn and rotting their minds on sap, but I don't know of anyone who has.
Very, very few have descended into the depths of watching MSNBC, though. Pray for these unfortunate souls for they indeed have lost their way. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
pelathais
09-26-2011, 11:03 PM
This is really a moot point.
With the Internet there is no longer a need to have a TV you can watch anything you want online.
You can even watch much worse things online than you could ever watch on TV. If we are going by the evil content then the UPC needs to ban computers or the Internet. That really would be consistent.
It is really a matter of convictions and personal holiness.
The UPC can ban TV all they want but tv is not going to go away.
:thumbsup
I said this years ago when the Internet was first becoming available to the general public. Of course the idea of watching "TV" over a dial up connection was far from reality (and still is).
For myself, I need Closed Captioning. That's something that isn't available on Netflix or generally anywhere else "online." Netflix has advertised themselves as having it available and that suckered me into saying "Yes" to sign us up. Now, I find out that it was a false claim, at least after year, it has proved to be false. My kids at college or overseas use the Netflix account from time-to-time so I have kept it. For me however, I still need good ol' Cable TV.
Dagwood
09-27-2011, 08:52 AM
This is really a moot point.
With the Internet there is no longer a need to have a TV you can watch anything you want online.
You can even watch much worse things online than you could ever watch on TV. If we are going by the evil content then the UPC needs to ban computers or the Internet. That really would be consistent.
It is really a matter of convictions and personal holiness.
The UPC can ban TV all they want but tv is not going to go away.
That's a point I've had circulating in the back of my head from day one. So many followers of the "no-TV-but-internet-is-okay" do strictly as they are told (since the scripture used is "I will set no evil before mine eyes") and don't have or watch TV. Yet, something like the internet contains so much more for so much less, it's no wonder certain people haven't awoken from such nonsense...
But, I'll give the benefit of the doubt since I'm sure some have had to do a little growing up the hard way --they find out that it's more of the substance of what's viewed as opposed to the object displaying what's being viewed...
scotty
09-27-2011, 09:02 AM
I can say yes to this one.
A family that goes to our church plugged the TV up to cable for about 6 or 7 months. Then cut the cable again. He admitted he was not a good steward of it. He plays online gaming for maybe an hour a day or so. I have several tv's in my home, I don't have a problem with it, but if I had a game in my home I could play online, it would destroy me. It did.
Steve Epley
09-27-2011, 09:07 AM
Exactly! I remember a few years ago either on this forum or one of its predecessors one or two conservatives would post about how they went liberal and then saw the light and became conservative again.
However when I would ask them questions like "while you were "liberal" were you plugged into a church you attended faithfully, did you maintain your prayer life and bible study, etc" they answered no to all of those type questions.
The reality was they had just backslid away from God and started doing some of the things liberals do but for completely different reasons and not because they really believed they were ok to do. It was dishonest of them to portray
their backslidden state as one of becoming a liberal.
The only case of someone going lib and going back to at least semi conservative is a former poster her and her husband who were UPC pastors that left the UPC. Later joined a liberal org., pastored one or two liberal churches, then went back to the UPC. This was not in the United States and we don't need to discuss who this is or specifics as they are very sensitive about the subject. They don't need any waves interfering with their re-found bundage.
They are back home doing well. I am thankful. Tis time for YOU.:thumbsup
MrsMcD
09-27-2011, 09:10 AM
Have you or know of someone who dropped standards or got tv, but didn't like where it led and returned back to previous convictions?
No
Steve Epley
09-27-2011, 10:03 AM
Television free for nearly 50 years and not missed a thing. Gunsmoke and I Love Lucy was on when I got into the church. Said by to Lucy and Matt nearly a half century ago.:thumbsup
Happy in Missouri without the idiot box.:happydance
TGBTG
09-27-2011, 10:05 AM
Television free for nearly 50 years and not missed a thing. Gunsmoke and I Love Lucy was on when I got into the church. Said by to Lucy and Matt nearly a half century ago.:thumbsup
Happy in Missouri without the idiot box.:happydance
...but u're on the internet???
Steve Epley
09-27-2011, 10:09 AM
...but u're on the internet???
I have NEVER watched a Hollywood program, news broadcast, television program on the internet. I have conversed with you "Father forgive me for I have sinned.":heeheehee
NorCal
09-27-2011, 10:11 AM
You know, UC used to preach against Radios just like they do TV's. But now every UC preacher has a radio.
I think it has always been about the content, not the media.
Steve Epley
09-27-2011, 10:14 AM
By the way the reason I do not have a television is NOT because I am so spiritual I don't have one because I am too carnal. Carnality breeds carnality and I am carnal enough without one. And in truth I don't think most folks are any more spiritual than I so I think it is their carnality asking for television not their spirituality. Just a thought.
mfblume
09-27-2011, 10:57 AM
By the way the reason I do not have a television is NOT because I am so spiritual I don't have one because I am too carnal. Carnality breeds carnality and I am carnal enough without one. And in truth I don't think most folks are any more spiritual than I so I think it is their carnality asking for television not their spirituality. Just a thought.
That is what happens when we do not walk after the Spirit but try to use rules to keep ourselves sanctified.
Noah Marshall
09-27-2011, 11:08 AM
Drop Box, pick it up and Drop Box again. Not normally.
When people allow themselves, like Samson to be tied with new ropes they get blinded.
Yes, Samson pulled the pillars on top of the crowd. Look what he personally lost. There is ALWAYS a price. I consider it WAY too expensive. I'll stay bound to Jesus. I have no desire to be FREE as the standard droppers call it!
Steve Epley
09-27-2011, 11:09 AM
That is what happens when we do not walk after the Spirit but try to use rules to keep ourselves sanctified.
Rules like "set no wicked thing before my eyes?"
mfblume
09-27-2011, 11:12 AM
Rules like "set no wicked thing before my eyes?"
A TV is no more wicked in and of itself than your computer screen that is connected to the internet. If you do not watch anything wicked on the internet, then you are not setting a wicked thing before your eyes, are you? Internet is sending more people to hell than TV ever did or ever will. But using internet and not TV is another example of ridiculous reasoning to hold to tradition at any cost.
Steve Epley
09-27-2011, 11:41 AM
A TV is no more wicked in and of itself than your computer screen that is connected to the internet. If you do not watch anything wicked on the internet, then you are not setting a wicked thing before your eyes, are you? Internet is sending more people to hell than TV ever did or ever will. But using internet and not TV is another example of ridiculous reasoning to hold to tradition at any cost.
That is odd I have never watched a Hollywood type film or even a news feed on my computer can I do that on the television?
Timmy
09-27-2011, 11:44 AM
By the way the reason I do not have a television is NOT because I am so spiritual I don't have one because I am too carnal. Carnality breeds carnality and I am carnal enough without one. And in truth I don't think most folks are any more spiritual than I so I think it is their carnality asking for television not their spirituality. Just a thought.
Carnal? Is that another way of saying "I enjoy it"? Then, yep. I have a TV because it's "carnal". ;)
Movies, games, news, weather, sports, documentaries, ... Love that carnal stuff!
Timmy
09-27-2011, 11:46 AM
That is odd I have never watched a Hollywood type film or even a news feed on my computer can I do that on the television?
No. The television decides what you will watch.
:heeheehee
berkeley
09-27-2011, 11:49 AM
That is odd I have never watched a Hollywood type film or even a news feed on my computer can I do that on the television?
That is odd I have never watched a documentary or educational film on my television can I do that on the computer?
berkeley
09-27-2011, 11:50 AM
No. The television decides what you will watch.
:heeheehee
:spit
mfblume
09-27-2011, 11:51 AM
That is odd I have never watched a Hollywood type film or even a news feed on my computer can I do that on the television?
Then you are not aware there is internet Television now that is actually scaring the television program providers from losing their business. Your situation is similar to one in which someone does not know the TV has more channels than they think. There are FAR WORSE things on the internet than TV. FAR WORSE.
Hoovie
09-27-2011, 11:54 AM
Then you are not aware there is internet Television now that is actually scaring the television program providers from losing their business. Your situation is similar to one in which someone does not know the TV has more channels than they think. There is FAR WORSE things on the internet than TV. FAR WORSE.
A few years ago this may have been disputed. Today it's impossible.
RandyWayne
09-27-2011, 12:00 PM
Then you are not aware there is internet Television now that is actually scaring the television program providers from losing their business. Your situation is similar to one in which someone does not know the TV has more channels than they think. There are FAR WORSE things on the internet than TV. FAR WORSE.
For instance there is a channel which displays nothing but the weather! All day! And then there is another which shows football programing -all day and night! And yet another for baseball and golf....
The only thing NOT there (yet) is the Apostolic Buffet Channel which is nothing but a fixed live video feed of the buffet line at an Old Country Buffet restaurant.
Dagwood
09-27-2011, 12:07 PM
For instance there is a channel which displays nothing but the weather! All day! And then there is another which shows football programing -all day and night! And yet another for baseball and golf....
The only thing NOT there (yet) is the Apostolic Buffet Channel which is nothing but a fixed live video feed of the buffet line at an Old Country Buffet restaurant.
Okay, I haven't laughed THAT MUCH in a very long time. That was good, and it's also the truth...
... aka Cracker Barrel! (which happens to be a fav of mine)...
Aquila
09-27-2011, 12:09 PM
I know a few. Personally, I got a television but I not only have little time to watch it, I'm not impressed with the programing. I watch more DVD movies than television programing.
deafdriscoll
09-27-2011, 12:30 PM
TV, nor movies, should be banned. that is just a stupid idea. you can find the same things in books. Are books banned?
the bible is a book.
I do not have cable because their are just 1 or 2 shows that I like. I have my lap top with a DVD player. I use my school computer to access the internet.
It is cheaper to buy TV shows on Dvd than buy cable or internet service.
Amanah
09-27-2011, 12:35 PM
TV, nor movies, should be banned. that is just a stupid idea. you can find the same things in books. Are books banned?
the bible is a book.
I do not have cable because their are just 1 or 2 shows that I like. I have my lap top with a DVD player. I use my school computer to access the internet.
It is cheaper to buy TV shows on Dvd than buy cable or internet service.
true, hehe, and you can find some pretty R rated stuff in the bible.
it should be banned for sex scenes, nudity, erotic poetry, bloodshed, and violence.
Falla39
09-27-2011, 12:36 PM
Children that resented discipline while growing up, may still resent "a disciplined lifestyle"
when they become adults. Some just do not like anyone "telling them what to do"! Many
don't like "laws of the land either"! The laws are for the lawless. People that are living,
or doing what is right, do not need someone/policemen/laws, to tell them what to do.
They know what is right and do it! The prisons are full of those who didn't want to obey
the "laws of the land" or resented the laws. Those are the ones the laws were made for.
Perhaps some resented being disciplined or told what to do. Dad and Mom didn't wait for
we eleven siblings to go to jail or prison before they "disciplined" us. The "Youth Correc-
tion Center" was in our home. We were familiar with the "rod of correction" and not a one
of us were killed by it!:thumbsup All that may have been killed was our pride!
Their caring enough to "train us up" and "discipline" us, just showed how much they loved
us and cared for us.
"Our late father would say, "Adults do not like to be treated like children. They will resent
it"! He told me when he was a young married man, his father said something to him, and
Dad came back with "sassy words and a wrong attitude". Dad said that immediately the
Holy Ghost convicted him. He apologized and his father said, "Well, I shouldn't have said
that anyway". Of course those were the days when children were generally taught/disci-
plined to respect their parents, grandparents, elders, etc. We can't expect our children
to what we weren't willing to do.
There is natural discipliine and their is also spiritual discipline. Our parents should do the
natural disciplining and a spiritual mentor/friend/teacher could do the spiritual mentoring.
Could be a pastor,friend, elder mentor. GOD expects parents to "train up or discipline their
children. GOD will chasten the "resentful or disobedient" adults.
Falla39
FlamingZword
09-27-2011, 11:19 PM
I have NEVER watched a Hollywood program, news broadcast, television program on the internet. I have conversed with you "Father forgive me for I have sinned.":heeheehee
I totally comend you for never having watched anything.
However I make no such claim.
I come from the world, I was not raised in the church, so I watched just about everything.
To tell you the truth you haven't missed much.
However despite that I am not against TV. (Yes I am an Acts 2:38 preacher)
I always say that if a person can not master or control their TV then it is best for them to get rid of it.
I like to discourage TV viewing but I do not prohibit it, I prefer to let God deal with each individual soul. it is more effective that way.
"1 Corinthians 6:12
Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything.:happydance
hometown guy
09-27-2011, 11:28 PM
I totally comend you for never having watched anything.
However I make no such claim.
I come from the world, I was not raised in the church, so I watched just about everything.
To tell you the truth you haven't missed much.
However despite that I am not against TV. (Yes I am an Acts 2:38 preacher)
I always say that if a person can not master or control their TV then it is best for them to get rid of it.
I like to discourage TV viewing but I do not prohibit it, I prefer to let God deal with each individual soul. it is more effective that way.
"1 Corinthians 6:12
Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything.:happydance
I'm glad someone in my life preached against tv cause that's how God chose to deal with me..... And I will ( and do ) return the favor :-)
hometown guy
09-27-2011, 11:33 PM
I totally comend you for never having watched anything.
However I make no such claim.
I come from the world, I was not raised in the church, so I watched just about everything.
To tell you the truth you haven't missed much.
However despite that I am not against TV. (Yes I am an Acts 2:38 preacher)
I always say that if a person can not master or control their TV then it is best for them to get rid of it.
I like to discourage TV viewing but I do not prohibit it, I prefer to let God deal with each individual soul. it is more effective that way.
"1 Corinthians 6:12
Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything.:happydance
In my expirence, Most "preachers" that will not preach against it usually means that either they watch tv and don't want to give it up themselves or a relative close to them wathes tv and they dont want to fight them over it.
FlamingZword
09-27-2011, 11:50 PM
In my expirence, Most "preachers" that will not preach against it usually means that either they watch tv and don't want to give it up themselves or a relative close to them wathes tv and they dont want to fight them over it.
well I do not preach against tv, because I prefer to preach against sin.
I preach against the messages that come from TV. I preach against adultery, fornication, drug use and other things that TV glorifies, I find it more useful to preach against sin than against a machine.
I do not preach against computers or the Internet (Which has much more evil things than TV). I preach against sin in al its forms.
kclee4jc
09-28-2011, 03:09 AM
I'm glad someone in my life preached against tv cause that's how God chose to deal with me..... And I will ( and do ) return the favor :-)
Amen
deafdriscoll
09-28-2011, 10:14 AM
Oh No, the picture tube really did go out in my old TV. Now I am reading. new Tv's are expensive. mabee I will buy a new TV in a few months. I am too bust reading books to care right now.
deafdriscoll
RandyWayne
09-28-2011, 11:30 AM
Oh No, the picture tube really did go out in my old TV. Now I am reading. new Tv's are expensive. mabee I will buy a new TV in a few months. I am too bust reading books to care right now.
deafdriscoll
How will you continue to watch Captain Videoooooooooooo! without your set?
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Dagwood
09-28-2011, 03:36 PM
I really wonder what the effectiveness is on those who have no TV and what kind of witness it's been for their relatives and their world...
...versus someone who does have TV and the effectiveness of their witness to those around them.
I'd say, from experience, those without TV who don't believe in it or refuse to accept its reality and existence probably haven't had as much of an impact. I can't see how isolationism has any benefit whatsoever, except for those who cater to the "choir."
TV/internet is a non-issue. Sin is an issue. Most importantly, priority with God is an issue, which if taken seriously and lived accordingly, there would be no need to specifically point out TV/internet as an evil thing. It's not the object; it's the substance.
Truthseeker
09-28-2011, 03:51 PM
I better get direct TV now so I can have an impact! :)
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