View Full Version : Over 100 Filled with the Holy Ghost Tonight!
ThePastorsCoach
09-28-2011, 08:51 PM
I just got the report from Pastor Bill Godair that over 100 received the Holy Ghost at Cornerstone Church in Salisbury, NC tonight.
Pastor Rod Parsley of World Harvest Church in Columbus, OH preached and they had to turn hundreds of people away as the property was PACKED & OVERFLOWING!
Great Revival in Salisbury and they are about to build a major church building on newly acquired property on I-85 in Salisbury!
http://www.salisburypost.com/News/022511-cornerstone-church-buys-property-qcd
Pastor Clint Brown from FAITHWORLD in Orlando, FL will be preaching tomorrow night.
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/
God Bless Pastor Godair and Cornerstone Church Campus in Salisbury, NC!
seekerman
09-28-2011, 09:35 PM
Cornerstone church is selling TICKETS to their services??
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/events.php
Now THIS makes me want to puke.
ThePastorsCoach
09-28-2011, 09:48 PM
The ticketed events are the two SPECIAL night Events. - they do not normally have a Saturday evening or Sunday evening service. These are SPECIAL EVENTS in a 25 year Anniversary Celebration. The church members will have complimentary seating but still have to have a free ticket for crowd control. This is to prevent people showing up that DO NOT HAVE A TICKET as there are only so many seats and the law enforcement and fire department will only allow so many people on the property and they are having overflow crowds.
Seekerman - I would not expect you to even try to understand - but that is the way it is. Have you ever paid to go to a concert or banquet or to get into a SPECIAL EVENT?
ThePastorsCoach
09-28-2011, 09:51 PM
Seekerman - I noticed that you did not rejoice in your post about the over 100 that were filled with the Holy Ghost tonight. Would you post on here about how wonderful that is that over 100 were filled with the Holy Ghost at Cornerstone tonight?
Will you rejoice with me about this?
Sherri
09-28-2011, 09:52 PM
No matter what, this is an AWESOME report of God's glory.
Hoovie
09-28-2011, 10:05 PM
Great news AB!
Tell me, how is Bill related to Johnny?
ThePastorsCoach
09-28-2011, 10:12 PM
Great news AB!
Tell me, how is Bill related to Johnny?
Johnny & Kenny are the sons of the late Hershel Godair and their late brother Eugene is the father of Pastor Bill Godair.
That would make Johnny & Kenny - the uncles to Bill. They were ALL UPC but Johnny & Kenny left with the World Wide Pentecostal Wrestling Federation and Bill left the UPC a short time ago and is independent.
Funny thing is - I have preached for ALL of them! LOL
Truthseeker
09-28-2011, 11:34 PM
Johnny & Kenny are the sons of the late Hershel Godair and their late brother Eugene is the father of Pastor Bill Godair.
That would make Johnny & Kenny - the uncles to Bill. They were ALL UPC but Johnny & Kenny left with the World Wide Pentecostal Wrestling Federation and Bill left the UPC a short time ago and is independent.
Funny thing is - I have preached for ALL of them! LOL
I bet that makes for some interesting family reunions.
seekerman
09-28-2011, 11:43 PM
The ticketed events are the two SPECIAL night Events. - they do not normally have a Saturday evening or Sunday evening service. These are SPECIAL EVENTS in a 25 year Anniversary Celebration. The church members will have complimentary seating but still have to have a free ticket for crowd control. This is to prevent people showing up that DO NOT HAVE A TICKET as there are only so many seats and the law enforcement and fire department will only allow so many people on the property and they are having overflow crowds.
Seekerman - I would not expect you to even try to understand - but that is the way it is. Have you ever paid to go to a concert or banquet or to get into a SPECIAL EVENT?
You're right, I stand corrected. Jesus and the Apostles charged for their 'events' so I guess it's only right that folks are charged, seating is controlled, attendance is limited in these Holy Ghost filled services.
Hopefully a bigger auditorium will be built (now there's a great opportunity to separate folks from their money) so that maybe next time 200 folks will receive the Holy Ghost instead of 100.
What a foul and putrid religious system this is!
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 12:38 AM
Here Seekerman, I found your missing donut hole
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rEgsDzgEYHI/TMe3DG_HrUI/AAAAAAAAAS4/MKqdNSdY_ak/s1600/pumpkin+donut+hole.JPG
seekerman
09-29-2011, 12:53 AM
I'd not eat that. Lord knows where your fingers have been!
kclee4jc
09-29-2011, 03:22 AM
They also have a ticketed service with Paula White coming up..
I think Bro Johnny Godair needs to preach at his nephews church!
Amanah
09-29-2011, 04:34 AM
I just got the report from Pastor Bill Godair that over 100 received the Holy Ghost at Cornerstone Church in Salisbury, NC tonight.
Pastor Rod Parsley of World Harvest Church in Columbus, OH preached and they had to turn hundreds of people away as the property was PACKED & OVERFLOWING!
Great Revival in Salisbury and they are about to build a major church building on newly acquired property on I-85 in Salisbury!
http://www.salisburypost.com/News/022511-cornerstone-church-buys-property-qcd
Pastor Clint Brown from FAITHWORLD in Orlando, FL will be preaching tomorrow night.
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/
God Bless Pastor Godair and Cornerstone Church Campus in Salisbury, NC!
This is awesome
ThePastorsCoach
09-29-2011, 06:49 AM
Isn't this amazing that these guys are so messed up religiously that they cannot rejoice that over 100 were filled with the Holy Ghost last night at Cornerstone Church? AMAZING - while Angels are rejoicing - these religious know it all wind bags refuse to celebrate what God is doing!
You guys don't have a CLUE and that is the reason I stay off of here most of the time. Pearls before swine!
deltaguitar
09-29-2011, 07:35 AM
I hope these people are true converts and God's glory will show in their lives.
The only way we know if people are saved or have the Holy Spirit is the evidence of the Holy Spirit of a changed life and the fruits of the spirit.
As much as I cringe at the thought of all the TBN crowd and the hype that goes with it I know that God can use an event like this to draw people to himself.
I can't decide if I would rather take my chances with the TBN folks or the UPC folks but I think the pastor at this church is sincere and truly wants to please God. It might not be ideal but no church is perfect.
ThePastorsCoach
09-29-2011, 07:50 AM
One of my pet peeves is going to a UPC meeting and them calling for people to be baptized in water and receive the Holy Ghost and they never lead them in a prayer of REPENTANCE! The first thing you have to do is REPENT of your sins! Do you guys not think that is important? I attended a large evangelistic outreach of a UPC and the word repent or repentance was never even mentioned! People received Walmart gift cards if they would be baptized and those that "spoke in tongues" got Walmart gift cards. I was appalled and told the pastor - you will never see these people again - big numbers that day - but the winners of the bikes, iPods, gift cards did not return!
There was NO genuine repentance! I really want to know what is up with that???
Steve Epley
09-29-2011, 07:57 AM
One of my pet peeves is going to a UPC meeting and them calling for people to be baptized in water and receive the Holy Ghost and they never lead them in a prayer of REPENTANCE! The first thing you have to do is REPENT of your sins! Do you guys not think that is important? I attended a large evangelistic outreach of a UPC and the word repent or repentance was never even mentioned! People received Walmart gift cards if they would be baptized and those that "spoke in tongues" got Walmart gift cards. I was appalled and told the pastor - you will never see these people again - big numbers that day - but the winners of the bikes, iPods, gift cards did not return!
There was NO genuine repentance! I really want to know what is up with that???
Sad but true. Their baptism is worthless and they speak in lips not in tongues.
I was born too long ago. Men did recieve the Holy GHost before baptism NO ONE has recieved the Holy Ghost before repentance.
revrandy
09-29-2011, 08:31 AM
One of my pet peeves is going to a UPC meeting and them calling for people to be baptized in water and receive the Holy Ghost and they never lead them in a prayer of REPENTANCE! The first thing you have to do is REPENT of your sins! Do you guys not think that is important? I attended a large evangelistic outreach of a UPC and the word repent or repentance was never even mentioned! People received Walmart gift cards if they would be baptized and those that "spoke in tongues" got Walmart gift cards. I was appalled and told the pastor - you will never see these people again - big numbers that day - but the winners of the bikes, iPods, gift cards did not return!
There was NO genuine repentance! I really want to know what is up with that???
One area where I agree with you!
scotty
09-29-2011, 08:39 AM
Wow. I'm reading through the thread thinking this is so wonderful ! Seeker obviously has some issues because there is no reason in the world any apostolic (regardless of beliefs) would not rejoice with you. Would love to be in the services. And just when I'm ready to post all the "Praise the Lord", "Glory be to God"................................ we gotta turn it into another "bash the UPC". :girlytantrum
With all due respect, your news is wonderful. . . . . but you people really got to get a life.
ThePastorsCoach
09-29-2011, 09:15 AM
Scotty, I HAVE a life and it is outside the UPC! These guys get on here and slam everything that is not like them and refuse to rejoice when people are filled with the Holy Ghost! Everyone has an opinion and mine is that you must FIRST REPENT! What is so wrong with leading people in a prayer of repentance and teaching people HOW to repent and ask God to forgive you of your sins?
Do you think just being baptized is enough?
If you do not repent - you are just going down a dry sinner and coming up a wet one!
Cindy
09-29-2011, 09:20 AM
Awesome, Praise God.
Lord help us to have a clean heart and a right spirit. Amen!!
deltaguitar
09-29-2011, 09:21 AM
One of my pet peeves is going to a UPC meeting and them calling for people to be baptized in water and receive the Holy Ghost and they never lead them in a prayer of REPENTANCE! The first thing you have to do is REPENT of your sins! Do you guys not think that is important? I attended a large evangelistic outreach of a UPC and the word repent or repentance was never even mentioned! People received Walmart gift cards if they would be baptized and those that "spoke in tongues" got Walmart gift cards. I was appalled and told the pastor - you will never see these people again - big numbers that day - but the winners of the bikes, iPods, gift cards did not return!
There was NO genuine repentance! I really want to know what is up with that???
Scotty, I HAVE a life and it is outside the UPC! These guys get on here and slam everything that is not like them and refuse to rejoice when people are filled with the Holy Ghost! Everyone has an opinion and mine is that you must FIRST REPENT! What is so wrong with leading people in a prayer of repentance and teaching people HOW to repent and ask God to forgive you of your sins?
Do you think just being baptized is enough?
If you do not repent - you are just going down a dry sinner and coming up a wet one!
I agree this is wrong! However, leading someone in a prayer of repentance has about as much value as leading them to speak in tongues. If they haven't truly repented in their hearts then the prayer is meaningless as well. You will see hundreds at youth camps and evangelistic services all through out Christianity and it is rare that any of those folks return. Most actually think t hey are saved because they repeated a prayer. It really is sick what goes on in churches.
Repentance is a change of heart and mind, not a prayer. I think you would agree on this though.
mfblume
09-29-2011, 09:23 AM
I agree this is wrong! However, leading someone in a prayer of repentance has about as much value as leading them to speak in tongues. If they haven't truly repented in their hearts then the prayer is meaningless as well.
Repentance is a change of heart and mind, not a prayer. I think you would agree on this though.
Repentance needs to be preached and it will happen. Last Sunday night, after preaching quite a bit on real repentance and godly sorrow, a couple came forth both weeping and one of them was sobbing convulsively. Wow. What a repentance!
deltaguitar
09-29-2011, 09:25 AM
Repentance needs to be preached and it will happen. Last Sunday night, after preaching quite a bit on real repentance and godly sorrow, a couple came forth both weeping and one of them was sobbing convulsively. Wow. What a repentance!
Right! I just don't want to confuse repentance with a prayer. I saw at General Conference a few years ago a guy was leading people to get the Holy Ghost and he said, "the first thing you need to do is repent of your sins" and he led them in a prayer without ever saying that true repentance is not a prayer. This can be very misleading.
Truthseeker
09-29-2011, 09:26 AM
I agree this is wrong! However, leading someone in a prayer of repentance has about as much value as leading them to speak in tongues. If they haven't truly repented in their hearts then the prayer is meaningless as well. You will see hundreds at youth camps and evangelistic services all through out Christianity and it is rare that any of those folks return. Most actually think t hey are saved because they repeated a prayer. It really is sick what goes on in churches.
Repentance is a change of heart and mind, not a prayer. I think you would agree on this though.
True.
ThePastorsCoach
09-29-2011, 09:26 AM
Most people in todays culture - have no clue what repentance is or how to pray. I deal with this on a daily/weekly basis in ministry. I fought the prayer of repentance just as hard as any UC but when you live and minister in the inner city and some of these people have NEVER prayed or seen someone really pray in their lives - they must be taught so - I always lead people in a prayer of repentance and teach them how to pray - how to approach our Father in the name of Jesus and how to pray to God for forgiveness of their/our sins!
I agree that Repentance is a CHANGE of heart and mind but if people do not know how to vocalize that - then I can help them with a prayer of repentance or simply TEACHING them how to approach God in Prayer!
deltaguitar
09-29-2011, 09:29 AM
Most people in todays culture - have no clue what repentance is or how to pray. I deal with this on a daily/weekly basis in ministry. I fought the prayer of repentance just as hard as any UC but when you live and minister in the inner city and some of these people have NEVER prayed or seen someone really pray in their lives - they must be taught so - I always lead people in a prayer of repentance and teach them how to pray - how to approach our Father in the name of Jesus and how to pray to God for forgiveness of their/our sins!
I agree that Repentance is a CHANGE of heart and mind but if people do not know how to vocalize that - then I can help them with a prayer of repentance or simply TEACHING them how to approach God in Prayer!
I agree.
scotty
09-29-2011, 10:03 AM
Scotty, I HAVE a life and it is outside the UPC! These guys get on here and slam everything that is not like them and refuse to rejoice when people are filled with the Holy Ghost! Everyone has an opinion and mine is that you must FIRST REPENT! What is so wrong with leading people in a prayer of repentance and teaching people HOW to repent and ask God to forgive you of your sins?
Do you think just being baptized is enough?
If you do not repent - you are just going down a dry sinner and coming up a wet one!
I agree with everything you have said here. woo hoo, praise God , you live outside the UPC ? wonderful, more power to you. Many of us live inside the UPC and don't have the problem your speaking of.
SO WHATS YOUR POINT ?!?
You have allowed someone with no obvious kudos about themself to come on here and turn your awesome testimony into a bashing thread. You have allowed a spirit of division to win one up on you. And that is truley sad in light of great report you come here to post.
You feel better now you got your bash on ?
Praise the Lord!
Just dont let Dan Scott baptize them!
Steve Epley
09-29-2011, 10:08 AM
Praise the Lord!
Just dont let Dan Scott baptize them!
Now there is a thought!:thumbsup
ThePastorsCoach
09-29-2011, 10:10 AM
ROFL! I think if Pastor Dan baptized them - they would be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ! But...If his ministers baptized them...No telling what they would say and do!
ROFL! I think if Pastor Dan baptized them - they would be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ! But...If his ministers baptized them...No telling what they would say and do!
If Dan Scott baptized them, I am not entirely sure they would even get wet.
houston
09-29-2011, 12:02 PM
DS the guy that went episcopal?
StillStanding
09-29-2011, 12:06 PM
ROFL! I think if Pastor Dan baptized them - they would be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ! But...If his ministers baptized them...No telling what they would say and do!
This is a true statement! :thumbsup
Jack Shephard
09-29-2011, 01:54 PM
A ticketed event doesn't always mean a fee was charged. I have been to a service out here where TD Jakes was going to minister and they ticketed it because they couldn't have too many people in the building because of the fire code. Do we know FOR SURE that there was a fee associated with these tickets?
pelathais
09-29-2011, 02:07 PM
Bill Godair's church really seems to be growing. It was just a few years back that he was meeting in a smaller "multi-use" type facility. Good for them. :thumbsup
seekerman
09-29-2011, 02:10 PM
A ticketed event doesn't always mean a fee was charged. I have been to a service out here where TD Jakes was going to minister and they ticketed it because they couldn't have too many people in the building because of the fire code. Do we know FOR SURE that there was a fee associated with these tickets?
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/events.php
Just $10 to hear someone beg for money. Believe me, there'll be some sort of special offering taken, some sort of money oriented message preached.
That's the nature of the beast. It's about M-O-N-E-Y.
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 02:43 PM
I'd not eat that. Lord knows where your fingers have been!
Oh...seems to me you were looking at the donut hole. I was just helping you find it
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 02:48 PM
One of my pet peeves is going to a UPC meeting and them calling for people to be baptized in water and receive the Holy Ghost and they never lead them in a prayer of REPENTANCE! The first thing you have to do is REPENT of your sins! Do you guys not think that is important? I attended a large evangelistic outreach of a UPC and the word repent or repentance was never even mentioned! People received Walmart gift cards if they would be baptized and those that "spoke in tongues" got Walmart gift cards. I was appalled and told the pastor - you will never see these people again - big numbers that day - but the winners of the bikes, iPods, gift cards did not return!
There was NO genuine repentance! I really want to know what is up with that???
Nothing personal but when I see this kind of stuff it's usually an over zealous evangelist who boasted about the numbers as a previous revival and is here to do the same. Im not saying you do this, so please don't take this personally
If all these people really got the real deal, where are they today? These kinds of promotions don't bring real results. They bring out the worst in people, people who just want a free ipod
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 02:49 PM
Wow. I'm reading through the thread thinking this is so wonderful ! Seeker obviously has some issues because there is no reason in the world any apostolic (regardless of beliefs) would not rejoice with you. Would love to be in the services. And just when I'm ready to post all the "Praise the Lord", "Glory be to God"................................ we gotta turn it into another "bash the UPC". :girlytantrum
With all due respect, your news is wonderful. . . . . but you people really got to get a life.
Yup and for the record, as far as I know Seekerman is not UPC.
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 02:50 PM
Scotty, I HAVE a life and it is outside the UPC! These guys get on here and slam everything that is not like them and refuse to rejoice when people are filled with the Holy Ghost! Everyone has an opinion and mine is that you must FIRST REPENT! What is so wrong with leading people in a prayer of repentance and teaching people HOW to repent and ask God to forgive you of your sins?
Do you think just being baptized is enough?
If you do not repent - you are just going down a dry sinner and coming up a wet one!
It wasn't "these guys"...MOST of the posters posted postive comments
Seekerman as far as I know isn't even UPC and he isn't Oneness by his own admission
Michael The Disciple
09-29-2011, 03:36 PM
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/events.php
Just $10 to hear someone beg for money. Believe me, there'll be some sort of special offering taken, some sort of money oriented message preached.
That's the nature of the beast. It's about M-O-N-E-Y.
I clicked the link. Unbelievable people are now having to pay to see so called Preachers. And yet where else could the prosperity message lead but here? So pathetic. The all consuming money preaching drove me out of the Pentecostal/Charismatic circuit many years ago.
Am I Pentecostal? Sure? Charismatic? Sure.
But this mainstream show time stuff that goes on is ruining souls almost as fast as they come to Christ.
ok. I get excited about 100 people getting the HG.
I get sick thinking about Apostolic Churches having "pastor" (hold on a sec i just puked a little bit in my mouth) Paula White.
Come on people!
Truthseeker
09-29-2011, 03:46 PM
Oh you guys just don't know how to live outside the UPC!
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 03:46 PM
Not a fan of PW. Just so everyone knows the facts. The $10 charge is for "guaranteed seating"...the Church members have free seating. This seems to be a special service not a regular church service and due to the big names will attract a lot of people
$10 isn't that much for a ticket and guarantees there won't be a few thousand angry people standing outside not able to get in.
This does not mean less people can get in either. The absurdity that had the not charged manybe 300 would have gotten the Holy Ghost has no basis in reality
On the other hand, I would have an issue with them taking up a special offering or putting on the "pay for faith" dog and pony show we've come to expect from TBN
NotforSale
09-29-2011, 03:52 PM
Man, who needs tickets?? Free seating at AFF!! :popcorn2
seguidordejesus
09-29-2011, 04:03 PM
ok. I get excited about 100 people getting the HG.
I get sick thinking about Apostolic Churches having "pastor" (hold on a sec i just puked a little bit in my mouth) Paula White.
Come on people!
Didn't her "church" close down?
Michael The Disciple
09-29-2011, 04:27 PM
I jumped in late here. So this is supposed to be a Oneness Church? Paula White is teaching?
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 04:43 PM
Didn't her "church" close down?
That or she resigned..not sure why she has the title of Pastor
Michael The Disciple
09-29-2011, 04:46 PM
Not a fan of PW. Just so everyone knows the facts. The $10 charge is for "guaranteed seating"...the Church members have free seating. This seems to be a special service not a regular church service and due to the big names will attract a lot of people
$10 isn't that much for a ticket and guarantees there won't be a few thousand angry people standing outside not able to get in.
This does not mean less people can get in either. The absurdity that had the not charged manybe 300 would have gotten the Holy Ghost has no basis in reality
On the other hand, I would have an issue with them taking up a special offering or putting on the "pay for faith" dog and pony show we've come to expect from TBN
It says free seating for "covenant members". Wonder if that means those who have pledged tithes to them?
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 04:49 PM
Apparently she is senior pastor and they have 2 locations she is senior pastor of both
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 04:51 PM
Right, I wonder what a covenant member is
Michael The Disciple
09-29-2011, 04:52 PM
Most people would be horrified if they saw this sign:
Apostle Paul appearing at First Apostolic Church tonight.
10$ per seat. Free to those who are already tithe paying members!
Jesus would preach on the sea shore or the mountain side. Paul preached while being held in prison.
Whats wrong with todays Christians?
NotforSale
09-29-2011, 04:54 PM
Most people would be horrified if they saw this sign:
Apostle Paul appearing at First Apostolic Church tonight.
10$ per seat. Free to those who are already tithe paying members!
Jesus would preach on the sea shore or the mountain side. Paul preached while being held in prison.
Whats wrong with todays Christians?
Amen, Mike!
Jack Shephard
09-29-2011, 04:54 PM
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/events.php
Just $10 to hear someone beg for money. Believe me, there'll be some sort of special offering taken, some sort of money oriented message preached.
That's the nature of the beast. It's about M-O-N-E-Y.
I stand corrected. But the ticket cost could help off set the cost of getting these people there.
Michael The Disciple
09-29-2011, 04:54 PM
Apparently she is senior pastor and they have 2 locations she is senior pastor of both
Oops! I thought it was supposed to be "Apostolic".
Oh I thought it was supposed to be "Apostolic".
Whoooooops!
:girlytantrum
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 05:34 PM
Oops! I thought it was supposed to be "Apostolic".
You thought what was supposed to be Apostolic?
Michael The Disciple
09-29-2011, 05:58 PM
You thought what was supposed to be Apostolic?
The Church with Paula White?
ThePastorsCoach
09-29-2011, 08:08 PM
You guys are unbelievable! I announce that over 100 people receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and you guys cannot rejoice and praise God for it because of a ticketed event in the future due to crowd control. This is a church with seating for around 500 and they are averaging around 1000 per Sunday with multiple services.
The members do not pay a dime to attend these SPECIAL EVENTS and it is NOT for a REGULAR SERVICE - it is for a SPECIAL ANNIVERSARY EVENT & Paula White - that is the Senior Pastor of TWO mega-churches and is on TV around the world with a daily telecast and speaks somewhere almost every night of the week - is the SPECIAL GUEST!
You guys don't EVEN want to try to relate to this because you are stuck in the mud of the past. I feel sorry for you.
seekerman
09-29-2011, 08:19 PM
"Paula White - that is the Senior Pastor of TWO mega-churches"
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man....
Nuff said.
houston
09-29-2011, 08:22 PM
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man....
Nuff said.
context
Praxeas
09-29-2011, 08:31 PM
You guys are unbelievable! I announce that over 100 people receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and you guys cannot rejoice and praise God for it because of a ticketed event in the future due to crowd control. This is a church with seating for around 500 and they are averaging around 1000 per Sunday with multiple services.
The members do not pay a dime to attend these SPECIAL EVENTS and it is NOT for a REGULAR SERVICE - it is for a SPECIAL ANNIVERSARY EVENT & Paula White - that is the Senior Pastor of TWO mega-churches and is on TV around the world with a daily telecast and speaks somewhere almost every night of the week - is the SPECIAL GUEST!
You guys don't EVEN want to try to relate to this because you are stuck in the mud of the past. I feel sorry for you.
Again most people rejoiced at 100 being filled
seekerman
09-29-2011, 08:31 PM
context
I think it is in context.
Name a single female leader who was over a group of men in the NT church.
There isn't any and there's a reason for that.
houston
09-29-2011, 08:34 PM
I think it is in context.
Name a single female leader who was over a group of men in the NT church.
There isn't any and there's a reason for that.
culture
ThePastorsCoach
09-29-2011, 08:34 PM
Again most people rejoiced at 100 being filled
Thanks for reminding me. I know that sometimes we concentrate on the nuts and doubters when most on here do believe the Word of God. I just think it is sad that some cannot rejoice in over 100 or even ONE being filled if it was not in their little corral!
Truthseeker
09-29-2011, 08:35 PM
paul didn't mention anything about culture on the subject.
seekerman
09-29-2011, 08:35 PM
culture
Scripture?
Michael The Disciple
09-29-2011, 09:21 PM
Yes Im glad 100 received the Holy Ghost. But the news that Paula White A FEMALE PASTOR which scripture opposes is coming and that tickets are being sold for the event DOES bring back memories of the past where MONEY was the main thing in Churches, TV, ect.
Sounds like the same old thing is still going on.
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 12:12 AM
I think I understand the ticket thing. Again this is not a regular service. It's a special event. Churches sell tickets to christmas plays too and nobody whines.
Michael The Disciple
09-30-2011, 01:08 AM
I think I understand the ticket thing. Again this is not a regular service. It's a special event. Churches sell tickets to christmas plays too and nobody whines.
Well if people want to pay to go to see Paula White Im sure everyone involved will be happy.:thumbsup
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 02:49 AM
Well if people want to pay to go to see Paula White Im sure everyone involved will be happy.:thumbsup
That's my point. I would not have paid to see her. Im glad 100 got the Holy Ghost but I think the ticket thing is being blown out of proportion
The Lemon
09-30-2011, 06:34 AM
First of all the news is AWESOME that 100 received the Holy Ghost! I do rejoice with you Bishop.
So sad the tread went negative, mostly on the whole $10 ticket thing. Personally, I would pay $10.00 and not think twice about it, but i suppose I can understand where some of you are coming from...but Bishop is right, at the end of the day he posted so we all could rejoice in souls being filled with Gods Spirit.
I don't want to go down the negative road, what I will say, however, is that SOMETIMES church as we know it today can resemble more of a business model then a true church or spiritual model. I only bring that up because it does happen. I realize that there are expenses and I feel as a Christian we should freely give as this is bilbical and involves more then just finances, although finances are needed.
Having said all of that, certainly there are those who take advantage, but the fact remains..regardless of charges, tickets, etc., that 100 souls are one with their creator and in that we should rejoice!
pelathais
09-30-2011, 08:36 AM
That's my point. I would not have paid to see her. Im glad 100 got the Holy Ghost but I think the ticket thing is being blown out of proportion
I agree. I don't even know Paula White outside of AFF - and she herself doesn't even have anything to do with AFF! Whatever.
Churches host all sorts of meetings, concerts and live and video presentations nowadays. I'll bet anyone that $10 "ticket price" that if they were to actually attend one of the regular church services at B. Godair's place that they could walk in "for free" and not even be hit up for an offering when the plate is passed.
pelathais
09-30-2011, 09:55 AM
I am reminded of something that was said a few years back, when this church was still in the UPC. Someone I know was singing at a UPC conference in the area and B. Godair was kind enough to invite that rabble to his church for the following Sunday's services.
On Sunday, someone mentioned an exchange between BG and Thetus Tenney was was one of the speakers at the conference. She called him out and asked him, "Brother G. What will it take for us to see revival?" (Words to that effect...). BG responded, "Sister T, an entire generation will have to die out first."
NotforSale
09-30-2011, 11:29 AM
OK, aside from the supposable 100 receiving the Holy Ghost, the 10.00 ticket issue is in fact, an issue.
Today's modern Church is infected by the huge cash flow of America's abundance, and many have grown weary of auction type begging for an offering, ("Who will give me 10.00?? Do I hear 20.00? OK, we've got 20.00, folks, who will give me 30.00?"), fear tactics regarding the Tithe, and Fund Raisers that rob people of precious time in our busy World.
From radio to TV, the punch line for more money is all over Religion. In fact, it's dripping from the Faith's that we adore.
I have been a pastor for the last 15 years, and I will be gut honest here, about the ONLY time my phone rings from others in my District is when they need, you guessed it, MONEY! CFC, Mothers Memorial, SFC, SOC, these Fund Raisers have turned into a circus of hassling people for more money. All of our Rally’s are connected to these monetary needs, and it’s embarrassing to even invite visitors.
Then, to top it off, we print the names of Churches and Pastors who give the most money!!!!! We give them plaques, trophies, and shout their names from the rooftops, while those with little are left to the dogs of false judgment.
TGBTG
09-30-2011, 11:30 AM
OK, aside from the supposable 100 receiving the Holy Ghost, the 10.00 ticket issue is in fact, an issue.
Today's modern Church is infected by the huge cash flow of America's abundance, and many have grown weary of auction type begging for an offering, ("Who will give me 10.00?? Do I hear 20.00? OK, we've got 20.00, folks, who will give me 30.00?"), fear tactics regarding the Tithe, and Fund Raisers that rob people of precious time in our busy World.
From radio to TV, the punch line for more money is all over Religion. In fact, it's dripping from the Faith's that we adore.
I have been a pastor for the last 15 years, and I will be gut honest here, about the ONLY time my phone rings from others in my District is when they need, you guessed it, MONEY! CFC, Mothers Memorial, SFC, SOC, these Fund Raisers have turned into a circus of hassling people for more money. All of our Rally’s are connected to these monetary needs, and it’s embarrassing to even invite visitors.
Then, to top it off, we print the names of Churches and Pastors who give the most money!!!!! We give them plaques, trophies, and shout their names from the rooftops, while those with little are left to the dogs of false judgment.
sad...
You guys are unbelievable! I announce that over 100 people receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and you guys cannot rejoice and praise God for it because of a ticketed event in the future due to crowd control. This is a church with seating for around 500 and they are averaging around 1000 per Sunday with multiple services.
The members do not pay a dime to attend these SPECIAL EVENTS and it is NOT for a REGULAR SERVICE - it is for a SPECIAL ANNIVERSARY EVENT & Paula White - that is the Senior Pastor of TWO mega-churches and is on TV around the world with a daily telecast and speaks somewhere almost every night of the week - is the SPECIAL GUEST!
You guys don't EVEN want to try to relate to this because you are stuck in the mud of the past. I feel sorry for you.
Dude get over it already!
1. I am happy that 100 people got the HG. I am a OP with really traditionals views on most things. I didnt say a single word about Rod Parsley preaching that service! I dont care! I do care and am happy (as previously stated) that 100 people recieved the HG!
2. I dont care about tickets to an event at a church. I wouldnt even care if they charged 100 bucks! If they can get it good for them!
3. Calling Paula White a "pastor" or in any way attempting to legitmizing what that charlitin is doing/saying digusts me!
!
scotty
09-30-2011, 11:53 AM
Dude get over it already!
1. I am happy that 100 people got the HG. I am a OP with really traditionals views on most things. I didnt say a single word about Rod Parsley preaching that service! I dont care! I do care and am happy (as previously stated) that 100 people recieved the HG!
2. I dont care about tickets to an event at a church. I wouldnt even care if they charged 100 bucks! If they can get it good for them!
3. Calling Paula White a "pastor" or in any way attempting to legitmizing what that charlitin is doing/saying digusts me!
!
:highfive:hanky:clap:rooting:party:amen
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 11:57 AM
OK, aside from the supposable 100 receiving the Holy Ghost, the 10.00 ticket issue is in fact, an issue.
Today's modern Church is infected by the huge cash flow of America's abundance, and many have grown weary of auction type begging for an offering, ("Who will give me 10.00?? Do I hear 20.00? OK, we've got 20.00, folks, who will give me 30.00?"), fear tactics regarding the Tithe, and Fund Raisers that rob people of precious time in our busy World.
From radio to TV, the punch line for more money is all over Religion. In fact, it's dripping from the Faith's that we adore.
I have been a pastor for the last 15 years, and I will be gut honest here, about the ONLY time my phone rings from others in my District is when they need, you guessed it, MONEY! CFC, Mothers Memorial, SFC, SOC, these Fund Raisers have turned into a circus of hassling people for more money. All of our Rally’s are connected to these monetary needs, and it’s embarrassing to even invite visitors.
Then, to top it off, we print the names of Churches and Pastors who give the most money!!!!! We give them plaques, trophies, and shout their names from the rooftops, while those with little are left to the dogs of false judgment.
Again it was NOT a regular service. It was a special service with a special guest. They have to pay for her appearance and her accomodations plus the buildig seats only 500 and tickets is a good way to have crowd control instead of having 3000 angry people show up
scotty
09-30-2011, 12:09 PM
Again it was NOT a regular service. It was a special service with a special guest. They have to pay for her appearance and her accomodations plus the buildig seats only 500 and tickets is a good way to have crowd control instead of having 3000 angry people show up
I can understand the crowd control, give the tickets to those who want to come. But the bolded part I guess I do have a problem with. Let her get the offering. It will most likely be more than the ticket proceeds anyway.
She is not there to give anything she earned, created, or worked for, her gifts and messege are given to her by God. It's not hers to sell. Nor anybody else for that matter.
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 12:26 PM
I can understand the crowd control, give the tickets to those who want to come. But the bolded part I guess I do have a problem with. Let her get the offering. It will most likely be more than the ticket proceeds anyway.
She is not there to give anything she earned, created, or worked for, her gifts and messege are given to her by God. It's not hers to sell. Nor anybody else for that matter.
Well first of all EVERY guess speaker/evangelist gets paid.
This was NOT a regular service...is there an echo in here? If said that a dozen times now. Nobody whines about a church charging money for a banquet or a christmas play but this is an anniversary service and everyone goes ballistic
IF it's more than the ticket proceeds anyways, then why complain about charging 10 for tickets?
Yes she IS there to earn something. She was hired as a special speaker, not a campmeeting evangelist. Good grief folks. Once again this was NOT a regular service. ROFL
scotty
09-30-2011, 12:29 PM
Well first of all EVERY guess speaker/evangelist gets paid.
This was NOT a regular service...is there an echo in here? If said that a dozen times now. Nobody whines about a church charging money for a banquet or a christmas play but this is an anniversary service and everyone goes ballistic
IF it's more than the ticket proceeds anyways, then why complain about charging 10 for tickets?
Yes she IS there to earn something. She was hired as a special speaker, not a campmeeting evangelist. Good grief folks. Once again this was NOT a regular service. ROFL
Sorry to make you have to repeat yourself. My church only carries a couple hundred so I am not used to the operations of the larger churches. May be why I don't understand.
Again it was NOT a regular service. It was a special service with a special guest. They have to pay for her appearance and her accomodations plus the buildig seats only 500 and tickets is a good way to have crowd control instead of having 3000 angry people show up
Christians.... much less Apostolics (even tentative ones) should not be paying Paula White anything other than hush money....That woman needs to be told to sit down, shut up and repent.
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 12:55 PM
Sorry to make you have to repeat yourself. My church only carries a couple hundred so I am not used to the operations of the larger churches. May be why I don't understand.
Oh my gosh...I repeat It was NOT a regular church service. Wow. It was a special event like a LOT of churches have where they HIRE a special speaker and charge an entrance fee. It's NOT just about how many people might have attended ....this is crazy Ive had to say that a dozen times now
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 12:55 PM
Christians.... much less Apostolics (even tentative ones) should not be paying Paula White anything other than hush money....That woman needs to be told to sit down, shut up and repent.
That is beside the point. Good grief
Michael The Disciple
09-30-2011, 01:14 PM
That is beside the point. Good grief
To some of us that IS the point.
That is beside the point. Good grief
No Prax. that is the point.
please see my previous posts on this thread and about this subject. People are getthing the Holy Ghost, thats cool.
An apostolic thinks Paula White is cool, someone needs the Holy Ghost.
TGBTG
09-30-2011, 01:24 PM
No Prax. that is the point.
please see my previous posts on this thread and about this subject. People are getthing the Holy Ghost, thats cool.
An apostolic thinks Paula White is cool, someone needs the Holy Ghost.
...
scotty
09-30-2011, 01:28 PM
Oh my gosh...I repeat It was NOT a regular church service. Wow. It was a special event like a LOT of churches have where they HIRE a special speaker and charge an entrance fee. It's NOT just about how many people might have attended ....this is crazy Ive had to say that a dozen times now
I got your point. My point was we apparently are not big enough or just not interested enough to have a "special" enough event for a special speaker to charge for it.
Amanah
09-30-2011, 01:28 PM
No Prax. that is the point.
please see my previous posts on this thread and about this subject. People are getthing the Holy Ghost, thats cool.
An apostolic thinks Paula White is cool, someone needs the Holy Ghost.
Is it because she is a woman preacher that you are offended? I don't know anything about her, from her web site I read that she considers TD Jakes her Spiritual Father. Jakes is a Oneness Apostolic. That would be her connection.
Is it because she is a woman preacher that you are offended? I don't know anything about her, from her web site I read that she considers TD Jakes her Spiritual Father. Jakes is a Oneness Apostolic. That would be her connection.
Then TD needs to sit her down.
and no. It is because she is speaking at an Apostolic Church that set me off.
if this was Benny Hinn, my attitude would be the same.
Maybe you havent been around AFF long enough. If you had you would know that my great grandmother was an Apostolic preacher and I wouldnt know this truth had it not been for her. I have no issue with women preachers.
Amanah
09-30-2011, 01:44 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_white
Paula White Ministries
Paula White recorded the first broadcast of Paula White Today in December 2001, and by 2006 her show appeared on nine television networks, including Trinity Broadcast Network, Daystar, and Black Entertainment Television[2][6][13]
Ebony magazine said of White, "You know you're on to something new and significant when the most popular woman preacher on the Black Entertainment Network is a white woman."[14]
Paula considers T.D. Jakes her spiritual father. Jakes invited her to speak at his Woman Thou Art Loosed Conference in 2000. White also participated in the Mega Fest, hosted by Jakes in Atlanta, in 2004 and 2005.[15] She has also met with General Colin Powell, former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, Former Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu, and Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. [16] She is the personal life coach of Tyra Banks and appeared on her show the Tyra Banks Show in an episode concerning promiscuity on October 4, 2006. [13] Paula White was also a 2009 Trumpet Awards Honoree. [17]
Paula White ministered to some famous celebrities and athletes including Michael Jackson, Donald Trump, Gary Sheffield, and Darryl Strawberry.[2] Trump, who often brings her to Atlantic City for private Bible studies with athletes and celebrities, appeared on her television show for an exclusive interview.[2] Paula White was pastor to Darryl Strawberry starting in 2003 following Strawberry’s release from prison for cocaine possession. Charisse Strawberry, Darryl Strawberry’s wife at that time, also worked as an assistant to Paula White, accompanying her on speaking engagements.[6][18][19]
http://www.wtal.org/speakers.html
Paula White will be a guest at the next TD Jakes Woman Thou Art Loosed conference.
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 01:52 PM
Amanah, It is because these guys are perfect and have never sinned or done anything wrong and so they are the only qualified CHRISTIANS & MINISTERS. LOL
Paula has repented of many things she admitted to doing wrong and tried to answer the questions of the things she did not do wrong but was accused of and she submitted to Bishop Jakes leadership and authority and he has said that he was rough on her to bring her into accountability.
Some of these guys think since someone had a problem or got divorced that disqualifies them from ministry. If the Apostles were held to the same rules and standards that some of these guys hold people too (but can't live themselves) they would have been disqualified from ministry. I know personally MANY UPC preachers & their wives who have been immoral, had affairs, divorced and remarried, had marriages annulled then remarried, drank like fish, cussed like sailors and HAD TV'S in their homes and motor homes! I guess since they LOOK the part - they are qualified to minister and hold credentials. I do know several with 3 living wives!
I am not a fan of Paula White - but if she repented like she said (and Bishop & First Lady Jakes said she did) then she can do all the ministry she wants and it don't bother me one bit!
It is really not any body's business what Paula White or any of the rest of them do!
She does not minister to me or mine and she is accountable to God and not me OR YOU!
Truthseeker
09-30-2011, 01:59 PM
Well, if TD Jakes says it, it's got to be true. :)
Truthseeker
09-30-2011, 02:00 PM
Amanah, It is because these guys are perfect and have never sinned or done anything wrong and so they are the only qualified CHRISTIANS & MINISTERS. LOL
Paula has repented of many things she admitted to doing wrong and tried to answer the questions of the things she did not do wrong but was accused of and she submitted to Bishop Jakes leadership and authority and he has said that he was rough on her to bring her into accountability.
Some of these guys think since someone had a problem or got divorced that disqualifies them from ministry. If the Apostles were held to the same rules and standards that some of these guys hold people too (but can't live themselves) they would have been disqualified from ministry. I know personally MANY UPC preachers & their wives who have been immoral, had affairs, divorced and remarried, had marriages annulled then remarried, drank like fish, cussed like sailors and HAD TV'S in their homes and motor homes! I guess since they LOOK the part - they are qualified to minister and hold credentials. I do know several with 3 living wives!
I am not a fan of Paula White - but if she repented like she said (and Bishop & First Lady Jakes said she did) then she can do all the ministry she wants and it don't bother me one bit!
It is really not any body's business what Paula White or any of the rest of them do!
She does not minister to me or mine and she is accountable to God and not me OR YOU!
What does hypocrisy among UPC preachers have to do with? would it excuse sins of the TBN crowd?
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 02:06 PM
What does hypocrisy among UPC preachers have to do with? would it excuse sins of the TBN crowd?
Well, It seems like some of you like FERD want to slam everybody that they sees on TV (or read about in the worldly rags) and the UPC can't keep the zippers up in their own preachers pants! It's like the old preacher told me when I was heading into the Ultra Con "Apostolic" movement - "Son, Them long dresses drop just as fast if not faster than them short ones"! I found that to be true - especially here in metro Atlanta, GA! I could tell you some nasty stories about some (but certainly not all) pastors wives here!
Amanah
09-30-2011, 02:06 PM
In all honesty I don't think there is any religious organization that has not had it share of people who have fallen, the point is did you get back up, repent and go on?
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 02:07 PM
In all honesty I don't think there is any religious organization that has not had it share of people who have fallen, the point is did you get back up, repent and go on?
So true!
Charnock
09-30-2011, 02:13 PM
I just want to know if these people received the real, genuine, Holy Ghost. :)
Sherri
09-30-2011, 02:15 PM
In all honesty I don't think there is any religious organization that has not had it share of people who have fallen, the point is did you get back up, repent and go on?But don't you think it's a poor witness when someone doesn't take any time to sit down and be restored? When someone who is a public figure just goes right on ministering like they did nothing wrong, it's hard to see them as a person of integrity. JMO
Amanah
09-30-2011, 02:16 PM
I just want to know if these people received the real, genuine, Holy Ghost. :)
well, I'm Apostolic, but I received the HG in an AoG church when I was a kid (11 years old), had never heard of the HG, as I was raised Catholic, they had to explain to me and my Mother what happened.
How can we judge who receives the Holy Ghost?
Amanah
09-30-2011, 02:18 PM
But don't you think it's a poor witness when someone doesn't take any time to sit down and be restored? When someone who is a public figure just goes right on ministering like they did nothing wrong, it's hard to see them as a person of integrity. JMO
I don't know the whole story, so I don't know what happened, I was just thinking of when I was backslid, and I'm glad that I was able to repent and get right with God. I'm not in ministry though, so I know it's different.
Truthseeker
09-30-2011, 02:19 PM
I just want to know if these people received the real, genuine, Holy Ghost. :)
yep
Truthseeker
09-30-2011, 02:20 PM
But don't you think it's a poor witness when someone doesn't take any time to sit down and be restored? When someone who is a public figure just goes right on ministering like they did nothing wrong, it's hard to see them as a person of integrity. JMO
yep.
Truthseeker
09-30-2011, 02:22 PM
Well, It seems like some of you like FERD want to slam everybody that they sees on TV (or read about in the worldly rags) and the UPC can't keep the zippers up in their own preachers pants! It's like the old preacher told me when I was heading into the Ultra Con "Apostolic" movement - "Son, Them long dresses drop just as fast if not faster than them short ones"! I found that to be true - especially here in metro Atlanta, GA! I could tell you some nasty stories about some (but certainly not all) pastors wives here!
Atlanta, of course. :thumbsup anyone with human flesh has potential for wickedness.
Well, It seems like some of you like FERD want to slam everybody that they sees on TV (or read about in the worldly rags) and the UPC can't keep the zippers up in their own preachers pants! It's like the old preacher told me when I was heading into the Ultra Con "Apostolic" movement - "Son, Them long dresses drop just as fast if not faster than them short ones"! I found that to be true - especially here in metro Atlanta, GA! I could tell you some nasty stories about some (but certainly not all) pastors wives here!
dude, have you ever seem me cut slack to a UPCI preacher that cannot keep his pants on?
Have you ever looked a preacher in the eye and asked for his resignation because of his adultery?> I HAVE
And AGAIN AB, I didnt take issue with Rod Parsley. Lets be clear on what I have said here. I have NOT painted with a broad brush. MY issues with White are based in what she has done out in public all while pretending to be a minister. She brings reproach on ministry. period.
Is it because she is a woman preacher that you are offended? I don't know anything about her, from her web site I read that she considers TD Jakes her Spiritual Father. Jakes is a Oneness Apostolic. That would be her connection.
Jakes may be Oneness, but he is not Apostolic :-)
houston
09-30-2011, 02:57 PM
Anyone wonder how AB has dirt on everyone, and what that says about his character?
Amanah
09-30-2011, 03:03 PM
Jakes may be Oneness, but he is not Apostolic :-)
explain what you mean
I just want to know if these people received the real, genuine, Holy Ghost. :)
please note, i make no such distinction. they goth the HG. I am happy.
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 03:26 PM
Well now Somebody on this forum has gotten in touch with Pastor Carroll McGruder's family and told them I was trashing him on this forum. They have contacted me about it. This is a bald face lie. I did not in any way, shape,form or fashion say one word against or about Pastor McGruder. His name nor his situation never even came into my mind and who ever contacted the McGruder family and said that I did is a liar and the truth is not in them! What is wrong with you people??
pelathais
09-30-2011, 03:33 PM
Well now Somebody on this forum has gotten in touch with Pastor Carroll MacGruder's family and told them I was trashing him on this forum. They have contacted me about it. This is a bald face lie. I did not in any way, shape,form or fashion say one word against or about Pastor MacGruder. His name nor his situation never even came into my mind and who ever contacted the MacGruder family and said that I did is a liar and the truth is not in them! What is wrong with you people???
Some folks simply don't possess any reading comprehension skills. They read something, and rather than think about what's being said, they "feel" something about the overall conversation.
These are the same types of people who "witness" an automobile accident and then drive the cops crazy with their distorted and hyperbolic interpretation of the events.
Some folks just can't be trusted to tell you what's right under their own noses.
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 03:43 PM
I am shocked and now having to deal with this family that is already been hurt enough on here by insensitive gossips and talebearers and now I am being accused of slandering Brother McGruder!
I want everyone on here to clearly understand that I did not in any way say anything or even insinuate anything about Carroll McGruder!
Every time I get on this crazy forum - I regret it.
How low down is a person that would call his family and lie like this?
I dont like rats. AB, we may be going at it but it is just wrong for people to out and do things like this. good grief.
Michael The Disciple
09-30-2011, 04:00 PM
Dont look at me. I know none of these people.
Hoovie
09-30-2011, 04:24 PM
I dont like rats. AB, we may be going at it but it is just wrong for people to out and do things like this. good grief.
Agreed. Not only that, I recall AB defending CM when he was discussed on this forum. Strange.
Hoovie
09-30-2011, 04:32 PM
Well now Somebody on this forum has gotten in touch with Pastor Carroll McGruder's family and told them I was trashing him on this forum. They have contacted me about it. This is a bald face lie. I did not in any way, shape,form or fashion say one word against or about Pastor McGruder. His name nor his situation never even came into my mind and who ever contacted the McGruder family and said that I did is a liar and the truth is not in them! What is wrong with you people??
Bish,
I am just reading this updated thread. I suppose post 95 could be construed to have reference to CM though it certainly does not mention anyone by name.
Please keep your reaction in perspective. We have hundreds, or even thousands that read here from time to time. There is no way to know whether anyone you have actually interacted with is a nark.
I dare say the majority enjoy your contributions - even when they disagree.
Steve
Amanah
09-30-2011, 04:45 PM
it's kinda scary, I wonder how many closet AFFers are out there reading our posts.
explain what you mean
Actually, why would you think he was Apostolic? He baptizes in Jesus name and subscribes to Oneness theology, but at best apparently he follows the one step doctrine. One step theology is not what the Apostles taught. Apostolics subscribe to the doctrine of the Apostles. :)
Hoovie
09-30-2011, 05:55 PM
it's kinda scary, I wonder how many closet AFFers are out there reading our posts.
I have very little or nothing to hide.:thumbsup
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 05:58 PM
Actually, why would you think he was Apostolic? He baptizes in Jesus name and subscribes to Oneness theology, but at best apparently he follows the one step doctrine. One step theology is not what the Apostles taught. Apostolics subscribe to the doctrine of the Apostles. :)
Actually, that is your VERSION of the doctrine of the Apostles. "Apostolic" is actually not only enunciating what the Apostles taught - but demonstrating it. I have been around the "Apostolic" movement - UC & UPC since 1982 and I have seen very little demonstration of what the Apostles taught. Just because you "baptize in Jesus Name" & subscribe to Wesleyan Holiness rules and regulations - does not make you Apostolic!
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 06:08 PM
Bish,
I am just reading this updated thread. I suppose post 95 could be construed to have reference to CM though it certainly does not mention anyone by name.
Please keep your reaction in perspective. We have hundreds, or even thousands that read here from time to time. There is no way to know whether anyone you have actually interacted with is a nark.
I dare say the majority enjoy your contributions - even when they disagree.
Steve
I know exactly what you are saying but for someone to read what I posted and call the McGruder Family and tell them I am trashing Brother McGruder in Post 25 is insane! SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET A LIFE!
If you will read it - There is absolutely NO reference to anything in any remote way that would resemble CM and what he has gone through. It was simply someone wanting to stir up trouble and they lied when they did it! If someone thinks in any way that what I posted was about CM - they are badly mistaken and might need to go for a mental check up! READ THE POST before you pick up the phone and call someone and lie like the devil!
Arphaxad
09-30-2011, 06:19 PM
Phillipians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 WHAT THEN? ONLY THAT IN EVERY WAY, WETHER IN PRETENSE OR IN TRUTH, CHRIST IS PREACHED, AND IN THIS I REJOICE, YES, AND WILL REJOICE.
(capitals mine) NKJV
:doggyrun
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 06:21 PM
Phillipians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 WHAT THEN? ONLY THAT IN EVERY WAY, WETHER IN PRETENSE OR IN TRUTH, CHRIST IS PREACHED, AND IN THIS I REJOICE, YES, AND WILL REJOICE.
(capitals mine) NKJV
:doggyrun
I hope you have the gift of interpretation and can explain to me what this has to do with what we are talking about!
Arphaxad
09-30-2011, 06:29 PM
It has to do with the thread title, duh, as long as Christ is preached who cares the motives of the one preaching.
:doggyrun
Truthseeker
09-30-2011, 06:54 PM
Actually, that is your VERSION of the doctrine of the Apostles. "Apostolic" is actually not only enunciating what the Apostles taught - but demonstrating it. I have been around the "Apostolic" movement - UC & UPC since 1982 and I have seen very little demonstration of what the Apostles taught. Just because you "baptize in Jesus Name" & subscribe to Wesleyan Holiness rules and regulations - does not make you Apostolic!
You do have a point there.
Amanah
09-30-2011, 07:04 PM
Actually, that is your VERSION of the doctrine of the Apostles. "Apostolic" is actually not only enunciating what the Apostles taught - but demonstrating it. I have been around the "Apostolic" movement - UC & UPC since 1982 and I have seen very little demonstration of what the Apostles taught. Just because you "baptize in Jesus Name" & subscribe to Wesleyan Holiness rules and regulations - does not make you Apostolic!
Bishop - I'm sure there is a lot I don't know or understand, I can't help wondering why you seem so bitter against the UPC. Seems you must have been deeply hurt by someone. I'm sorry that you have been hurt.
I have a question about the direction that people who leave the UPC seem to take. I totally understand leaving the standards behind, as most of them have no grounding in scripture. The one thing that I am struggling to understand is the change in doctrine that many who leave the UPC seem to have.
It's the change from what people call teaching 3 steps to 1 step. I'm assuming that you now believe Justification/Remission takes place at repentance, and that Baptism in Jesus Name is not for remission of sins, but because of Remission of Sins? If you would not mind telling me, how did you come to change your understanding of this? How can you be sure?
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 07:57 PM
No Prax. that is the point.
please see my previous posts on this thread and about this subject. People are getthing the Holy Ghost, thats cool.
An apostolic thinks Paula White is cool, someone needs the Holy Ghost.
No, it was beside THE point. The Point WE were discussing, not you, was whether or not tickets should be sold, not whether or not an Apostolic should go visit a service with her.
If you want to CHANGE the point, be my guest but MY point, my ONLY point was of course whether it was a big deal to sell tickets in light of the fact everyone seems to ignore that this was not a regular church meeting
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 07:59 PM
Amanah, I do not hate the UPC nor am I bitter against it. I simply know the truth and tell some of what I know and it goes against the grain of those who "love the UPC." I never did love it as a denomination. I love people in the UPC and there are some incredible Christians in the UPC but there are also other incredible Christians in every church and denomination I know and have ministered for.
I did see and know too much about it and people know I know and they don't like it that I know their business - the good and the bad.
I was raised in Trinity Pentecost and have been saved and filled with the Holy Ghost since I was five years old. Pentecost was all I knew and when I found out about baptism in the name of Jesus Christ - I went and was baptized. I have never taught what is DKB's Theological version of "Oneness" but do believe what was taught years ago as The Revelation of Jesus Christ and that there never has been, is not and never will be more than ONE True & Living God. In Miracle Crusades in 61 nations I have Preached the Power of the One True & Living God and demonstrated the Power and seen blind eyes open, deaf ears opened, the dead raised back to life, tumors, growths, goiters disappear, cancers removed and many other instant visible miracles. We have for 39 years preached Jesus Christ and demonstrated His Power in whatever doors God opened. I have never baptized anyone in any other way but in the Name of Jesus Christ. I know that is not good enough for the three steps to salvation but it is really not three steps but 10 then 20 then 30 and on and on and you cannot really be SAVED - you have to keep obeying rules and not wearing this or not doing that and you just can't get GOOD ENOUGH TO GET GOD!
Anyway - Hope that helps to know where I am. I am not boasting in anything that I have done at all - just giving you information that if God can use me - He can use anybody.
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 08:03 PM
To some of us that IS the point.
Right but it wasn't MY point. You guys are butting into the middle of a subtopic of this thread that was not YOUR point but MY point. So anytime you quote someone and ignore their point to change the topic....that will be "beside the point". :icecream
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 08:05 PM
I got your point. My point was we apparently are not big enough or just not interested enough to have a "special" enough event for a special speaker to charge for it.
Actually "we" are. We have ladies conferences that charge an entrance fee. Men's conferences do the same. Special meetings like soul winning seminars might also charge. Christmas plays. Easter plays. It happens all the time for non-regular services
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 08:09 PM
Actually, why would you think he was Apostolic? He baptizes in Jesus name and subscribes to Oneness theology, but at best apparently he follows the one step doctrine. One step theology is not what the Apostles taught. Apostolics subscribe to the doctrine of the Apostles. :)
According to you. "Apostolics" for years have comprised a group that consists of 2 subgroups: 1 Steppers and 3 Steppers
Actually, that is your VERSION of the doctrine of the Apostles. "Apostolic" is actually not only enunciating what the Apostles taught - but demonstrating it. I have been around the "Apostolic" movement - UC & UPC since 1982 and I have seen very little demonstration of what the Apostles taught. Just because you "baptize in Jesus Name" & subscribe to Wesleyan Holiness rules and regulations - does not make you Apostolic!
With all due respect Bishop.....I neither care or am concerned with the extent of holiness standards the Apostles taught. I'm sure the first century church was modest and holy on the inside as well as the out. But I fill safe in saying that the only salvation message taught by the Apostles in the first century was modeled after Acts 2:38. I find no other record in the scriptures after Pentecost.
I bow to your years of experience, but I respectfully disagree with the doctrines that was formulated by man after the the church became apostate.
According to you. "Apostolics" for years have comprised a group that consists of 2 subgroups: 1 Steppers and 3 Steppers
Actually my argument is quite the opposite. To be Apostolic you should have the doctrine of the Apostles. They didn't teach the "1 step" formula to salvation. If somehow I've overlooked incidence of the Apostles leading folks to Jesus through the sinners prayer then please please give me chapter and verse. I have never read that scripture before.
I just want to be right.
blessing
Hoovie
09-30-2011, 08:53 PM
Actually my argument is quite the opposite. To be Apostolic you should have the doctrine of the Apostles. They didn't teach the "1 step" formula to salvation. If somehow I've overlooked incidence of the Apostles leading folks to Jesus through the sinners prayer then please please give me chapter and verse. I have never read that scripture before.
I just want to be right.
blessing
Right. And if bein three stepper is wrong, lawdy, I don wanna be right!
:)
ThePastorsCoach
09-30-2011, 09:14 PM
Levi, I have never folks "led folks to Jesus through the sinners prayer". I have prayed for and with folks that needed to repent and be filled with the Holy Ghost!
Can you tell me where in the Bible, the Apostle Paul (writer of over 2/3rds of the NT) preached water baptism and how many people he baptized?
Praxeas
09-30-2011, 10:15 PM
Actually my argument is quite the opposite. To be Apostolic you should have the doctrine of the Apostles. They didn't teach the "1 step" formula to salvation. If somehow I've overlooked incidence of the Apostles leading folks to Jesus through the sinners prayer then please please give me chapter and verse. I have never read that scripture before.
I just want to be right.
blessing
And someone else will say the Apostles doctrine was "1 step"
Amanah
10-01-2011, 12:13 AM
Amanah, I do not hate the UPC nor am I bitter against it. I simply know the truth and tell some of what I know and it goes against the grain of those who "love the UPC." I never did love it as a denomination. I love people in the UPC and there are some incredible Christians in the UPC but there are also other incredible Christians in every church and denomination I know and have ministered for.
I did see and know too much about it and people know I know and they don't like it that I know their business - the good and the bad.
I was raised in Trinity Pentecost and have been saved and filled with the Holy Ghost since I was five years old. Pentecost was all I knew and when I found out about baptism in the name of Jesus Christ - I went and was baptized. I have never taught what is DKB's Theological version of "Oneness" but do believe what was taught years ago as The Revelation of Jesus Christ and that there never has been, is not and never will be more than ONE True & Living God. In Miracle Crusades in 61 nations I have Preached the Power of the One True & Living God and demonstrated the Power and seen blind eyes open, deaf ears opened, the dead raised back to life, tumors, growths, goiters disappear, cancers removed and many other instant visible miracles. We have for 39 years preached Jesus Christ and demonstrated His Power in whatever doors God opened. I have never baptized anyone in any other way but in the Name of Jesus Christ. I know that is not good enough for the three steps to salvation but it is really not three steps but 10 then 20 then 30 and on and on and you cannot really be SAVED - you have to keep obeying rules and not wearing this or not doing that and you just can't get GOOD ENOUGH TO GET GOD!Anyway - Hope that helps to know where I am. I am not boasting in anything that I have done at all - just giving you information that if God can use me - He can use anybody.
Sounds like you are having a wonderfull and blessed life, thank you for your patience in answering my question.
The part i've bolded is so true, it's what made me finally give up in disgust too. The part I'm struggling with is having been taught that baptism is for remission of sins, I can't get past that. I will tell you though that the hatefull exclusion of other Christians by those who make it seemingly impossible to ever be good enough to be saved will drive me to the camp of the saved at repentance bunch just because they are more compassionate and loving.
Steve Epley
10-01-2011, 07:10 AM
Sounds like you are having a wonderfull and blessed life, thank you for your patience in answering my question.
The part i've bolded is so true, it's what made me finally give up in disgust too. The part I'm struggling with is having been taught that baptism is for remission of sins, I can't get past that. I will tell you though that the hatefull exclusion of other Christians by those who make it seemingly impossible to ever be good enough to be saved will drive me to the camp of the saved at repentance bunch just because they are more compassionate and loving.
What appears to be compassionate and loving is the opposite when they are deceiving folks. Love is telling folks the truth even when it is not popular. A Doctor who would not tell a patient the seriousness of their terminal condition then prescribe an asprin for cancer is not a loving person but a deluded person.
Cindy
10-01-2011, 09:19 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_white
Paula White Ministries
Paula White recorded the first broadcast of Paula White Today in December 2001, and by 2006 her show appeared on nine television networks, including Trinity Broadcast Network, Daystar, and Black Entertainment Television[2][6][13]
Ebony magazine said of White, "You know you're on to something new and significant when the most popular woman preacher on the Black Entertainment Network is a white woman."[14]
Paula considers T.D. Jakes her spiritual father. Jakes invited her to speak at his Woman Thou Art Loosed Conference in 2000. White also participated in the Mega Fest, hosted by Jakes in Atlanta, in 2004 and 2005.[15] She has also met with General Colin Powell, former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, Former Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu, and Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. [16] She is the personal life coach of Tyra Banks and appeared on her show the Tyra Banks Show in an episode concerning promiscuity on October 4, 2006. [13] Paula White was also a 2009 Trumpet Awards Honoree. [17]
Paula White ministered to some famous celebrities and athletes including Michael Jackson, Donald Trump, Gary Sheffield, and Darryl Strawberry.[2] Trump, who often brings her to Atlantic City for private Bible studies with athletes and celebrities, appeared on her television show for an exclusive interview.[2] Paula White was pastor to Darryl Strawberry starting in 2003 following Strawberry’s release from prison for cocaine possession. Charisse Strawberry, Darryl Strawberry’s wife at that time, also worked as an assistant to Paula White, accompanying her on speaking engagements.[6][18][19]
http://www.wtal.org/speakers.html
Paula White will be a guest at the next TD Jakes Woman Thou Art Loosed conference.
IMO Paula White is a celebrity. And she lives that life style. And nobody can singly pastor mega churches, TD Jakes, Paula White, etc. Y'all know I try to be kind about everyone, but it makes me angry when people are like groupies after the next celebrity in the church.
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2011, 09:29 AM
IMO Paula White is a celebrity. And she lives that life style. And nobody can singly pastor mega churches, TD Jakes, Paula White, etc. Y'all know I try to be kind about everyone, but it makes me angry when people are like groupies after the next celebrity in the church.
Cindy, You are quite correct. All of them have groupies and goofy ones at that! LOL The "celebrity" preachers laugh about it like we do but can hardly do anything about it - people just like to be around these big preachers and rub shoulders with them. It is the same in the UPC and other movements. I remember when Lee Stoneking or Jack Cunningham would come in - they had their groupies just like all the others.
Amanah
10-01-2011, 09:33 AM
IMO Paula White is a celebrity. And she lives that life style. And nobody can singly pastor mega churches, TD Jakes, Paula White, etc. Y'all know I try to be kind about everyone, but it makes me angry when people are like groupies after the next celebrity in the church.
Just as a point of clarification, I honestly don't know that much about them, and I certainly am not their groupie. I was simply providing information.
Amanah
10-01-2011, 09:53 AM
Cindy, You are quite correct. All of them have groupies and goofy ones at that! LOL The "celebrity" preachers laugh about it like we do but can hardly do anything about it - people just like to be around these big preachers and rub shoulders with them. It is the same in the UPC and other movements. I remember when Lee Stoneking or Jack Cunningham would come in - they had their groupies just like all the others.
and I remember how people followed Lee Stoneking and Richard Heard, who sometimes preached very sensational messages.
Amanah
10-01-2011, 09:54 AM
One of my favorites was Anthony Mangun, I always liked his preaching style.
Levi, I have never folks "led folks to Jesus through the sinners prayer". I have prayed for and with folks that needed to repent and be filled with the Holy Ghost!
Can you tell me where in the Bible, the Apostle Paul (writer of over 2/3rds of the NT) preached water baptism and how many people he baptized?
Bishop, I guess the most obvious example of Paul affirming Apostolic doctrine is in Acts 19:1-6. I know you are familiar with this passage. To me it reads very easy and it's not hard to follow the narrative here. If believing is all it takes and if baptism doesn't really matter, why would he have been so passionate about his instructions to them.
I am aware that I am not telling you anything you haven't seen before. When we start using scripture to justify our feelings and beliefs instead of vice versa, that's when we fall in the ditch.
Blessings
Cindy
10-01-2011, 10:01 AM
Just as a point of clarification, I honestly don't know that much about them, and I certainly am not their groupie. I was simply providing information.
I wasn't really referencing you, Amanah. But it's telling when an unsaved person says that Pamela Anderson was dressed more modestly than Paula White, at an event PW preached. I am not using their exact words of course. They put it in some blunt language.
Amanah
10-01-2011, 10:13 AM
I wasn't really referencing you, Amanah. But it's telling when an unsaved person says that Pamela Anderson was dressed more modestly than Paula White, at an event PW preached. I am not using their exact words of course. They put it in some blunt language.
She is under the authority of TD Jakes, has she been baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the HG? I would assume so if he is her mentor.
Thinker
10-01-2011, 10:37 AM
She is under the authority of TD Jakes, has she been baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the HG? I would assume so if he is her mentor.
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Our dear sweet Amanah,
there is so much more to this wonderful hypocrisy for you to discover..
:icecream
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ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2011, 11:05 AM
She is under the authority of TD Jakes, has she been baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the HG? I would assume so if he is her mentor.
Amanah, Things work so totally different in the world of the Mega-Preachers and Mega-Churches. Paula is from a Church of God background. Randy was a third generation COG preacher when she married him. They have been independent for years.
She is not really "under the authority" of anyone. She has chosen to ask Bishop Jakes to council here and cover her in ministry. She is not really accountable to him for the most part.
Bishop Jakes & Potters House International Pastoral Alliance (PHIPA) does not require those in ministry with him or that connect with him relationally to be re-baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.
I don't expect those on this forum to relate in any way to Bishop or Paula as they live in a totally different religious world than we do! I do know Bishop Jakes and Paula both preach the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Amanah
10-01-2011, 11:18 AM
Amanah, Things work so totally different in the world of the Mega-Preachers and Mega-Churches. Paula is from a Church of God background. Randy was a third generation COG preacher when she married him. They have been independent for years.
She is not really "under the authority" of anyone. She has chosen to ask Bishop Jakes to council here and cover her in ministry. She is not really accountable to him for the most part.
Bishop Jakes & Potters House International Pastoral Alliance (PHIPA) does not require those in ministry with him or that connect with him relationally to be re-baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.
I don't expect those on this forum to relate in any way to Bishop or Paula as they live in a totally different religious world than we do! I do know Bishop Jakes and Paula both preach the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
I think I understand what you are saying: If God chooses to baptize people in the HG, who are we to condemn them, despite other doctrinal differences? that doesn't mean we can't believe we have more precious truth in Baptism in Jesus Name.
I received the HG in an AoG church when I was a kid, and when I was going through chemo 1.5 yrs ago, I went to an AoG church that is 5 minutes from my home because I could hardly get out of bed. There was a sweet move of the HG in that church.
Cindy
10-01-2011, 11:22 AM
Amanah, Things work so totally different in the world of the Mega-Preachers and Mega-Churches. Paula is from a Church of God background. Randy was a third generation COG preacher when she married him. They have been independent for years.
She is not really "under the authority" of anyone. She has chosen to ask Bishop Jakes to council here and cover her in ministry. She is not really accountable to him for the most part.
Bishop Jakes & Potters House International Pastoral Alliance (PHIPA) does not require those in ministry with him or that connect with him relationally to be re-baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.
I don't expect those on this forum to relate in any way to Bishop or Paula as they live in a totally different religious world than we do! I do know Bishop Jakes and Paula both preach the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
You are right in most of this post. I just don't believe any one person can pastor a church of 300+ church membership. They would need help in the form of assistant Pastor's.
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2011, 12:18 PM
You are right in most of this post. I just don't believe any one person can pastor a church of 300+ church membership. They would need help in the form of assistant Pastor's.
Cindy, I can assure you that Paula has a major staff and assistants that take care of most of the ministry. How could she when she is preaching around the Nation almost nightly? One person cannot successfully pastor that many people without help and lots of it. She is a figure head and does the main services but has many others that run the day to day operations of both the churches. They pastor in a totally different way that what we are accustom to.
Cindy
10-01-2011, 01:03 PM
Cindy, I can assure you that Paula has a major staff and assistants that take care of most of the ministry. How could she when she is preaching around the Nation almost nightly? One person cannot successfully pastor that many people without help and lots of it. She is a figure head and does the main services but has many others that run the day to day operations of both the churches. They pastor in a totally different way that what we are accustom to.
Yes, and she is not the only one that does that. Any huge church in any org. has to function that way.
Praxeas
10-01-2011, 01:32 PM
Personally when someone is traveling like that and leaving their church in the hands of someone else, it's time to drop the Pastor title and hand it over to someone that can be there full time.
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2011, 02:51 PM
Personally when someone is traveling like that and leaving their church in the hands of someone else, it's time to drop the Pastor title and hand it over to someone that can be there full time.
I can totally understand why you would think that - most of us have been trained/programmed that way as the average church in the USA is around 70 people. It can easily be handled by one person.
We have been connected to a mega church for over 12 years and I have ministered at many mega churches for many years and I can tell you I like the mega church and what it offers better. We are disappointed when the Senior Pastor is not there (which is rare) but we also understand that we share him with millions of others who might never get to hear him. He is a blessing everywhere he goes.
We are happy with him and the church and if we were not - we have plenty of other places we could go in Metro Atlanta! We currently average over 15,000 on Sundays at the Gainesville, GA campus and over 4,000 in the Orange County, CA campus. We are in a $53 mill expansion in Gainesville now to accommodate over 2000 more seats in the main sanctuary (total seating should be around 5500) plus an outdoor amphitheater that will accompany 2000+ plus a 500+ seat chapel for weddings, funerals, special small events, and adding 1000 seats to the current children's church facility. New offices are also being built. The parking lots, trams and busses are also expanding with new bridges and more parking available.
www.FreeChapel.org
Amanah
10-01-2011, 03:08 PM
I looked at the website, I have to admit I've never seen anything like it, it's amazing. It certainly looks fun, especially for kids.
Praxeas
10-01-2011, 04:24 PM
I think when someone fits the role of Evangelist more they should allow someone else to take on Senior Pastor and become some other role..maybe just be "evangelist". When they return they can still preach a message
It's funny but it's the Circuit preacher thing of the 1800s all over again but for different reasons. My great great great grandfather was a circuit preacher for the American Episcopal Church
But anyways, there are a lot of men that are called to Pastor and take on that role but aren't getting the chance.
Praxeas
10-01-2011, 04:25 PM
Hmm considering that these are non-denominations or independent, perhaps the fit more the role of Bishop than Senior pastor?
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2011, 04:38 PM
We are very happy with our Senior Pastor and happy that he ministers in Gainesville, GA at 9 & 11 AM then flies to Orange County, CA to minister at 4 & 6 PM. Close to 20,000 people on two major campuses have no problem with it - I can't imagine why anyone that is not a part of Free Chapel would!
Pastor Tommy Barnett of Phoenix First Assembly will minister at FC Gainesville tomorrow as Pastor Jentezen Franklin is ministering in South Africa this week.
Andy Stanley and North Point Community Church has it's Gwinnett Campus (new church plant) opening tomorrow night and I plan on being there as it is close to my home.
Michael The Disciple
10-01-2011, 04:43 PM
We are very happy with our Senior Pastor and happy that he ministers in Gainesville, GA at 9 & 11 AM then flies to Orange County, CA to minister at 4 & 6 PM. Close to 20,000 people on two major campuses have no problem with it - I can't imagine why anyone that is not a part of Free Chapel would!
Pastor Tommy Barnett of Phoenix First Assembly will minister at FC Gainesville tomorrow as Pastor Jentezen Franklin is ministering in South Africa this week.
Andy Stanley and North Point Community Church has it's Gwinnett Campus (new church plant) opening tomorrow night and I plan on being there as it is close to my home.
So is your Pastor Oneness? I know Tommy Barnet is Trinity unless he has seen the light.
Jermyn Davidson
10-01-2011, 05:23 PM
Clint Brown does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me when he preaches, but I have been moved by his music in the past.
I went to the website of this Cornerstone Church.
There isn't anything on their site about what they believe about anything.
What gives?
Aren't the Godair's ultra-conservative and Apostolic?
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2011, 05:42 PM
Clint Brown is one of the best preachers I have ever heard. I am very selective on who I listen too and every time I have ever heard Clint since he started Faith World - I have enjoyed him. I have not been to FaithWorld or his JUDAH Conference in a few years now but he is in much demand around the nation. He is a premier preacher and an incredible song writer and singer.
Cornerstone Church is doing GREAT - around 1000 people each Sunday in 2 services and they demonstrate what they believe every single service. People are repenting, being baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost - OVER 100 Filled Wednesday night.
Cornerstone would not be considered UC - nor would I but at one time we would have been considered - Very UC! LOL
This is one of the greatest Churches I have ever been too!
I am not sure why you guys think that it is a good thing to be labeled UC or "Apostolic". Most churches that I have know to label themselves "Apostolic" were sadly lacking in power and demonstration.
Clint Brown does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me when he preaches, but I have been moved by his music in the past.
I went to the website of this Cornerstone Church.
There isn't anything on their site about what they believe about anything.
What gives?
Aren't the Godair's ultra-conservative and Apostolic?
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2011, 05:57 PM
If 100 people were filled with The Holy Ghost,I indeed am thankful.
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2011, 06:50 PM
If 100 people were filled with The Holy Ghost,I indeed am thankful.
Actually - OVER 100 were filled on Wednesday night and more on Thursday. I celebrate with Pastor Bill Godair and CORNERSTONE CHURCH over what God is doing in Salisbury, NC!
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2011, 07:49 PM
I'll celebrate with them as well.
HolyFire
07-23-2012, 04:07 PM
One of my pet peeves is going to a UPC meeting and them calling for people to be baptized in water and receive the Holy Ghost and they never lead them in a prayer of REPENTANCE! The first thing you have to do is REPENT of your sins! Do you guys not think that is important? I attended a large evangelistic outreach of a UPC and the word repent or repentance was never even mentioned! People received Walmart gift cards if they would be baptized and those that "spoke in tongues" got Walmart gift cards. I was appalled and told the pastor - you will never see these people again - big numbers that day - but the winners of the bikes, iPods, gift cards did not return!
There was NO genuine repentance! I really want to know what is up with that???
Yet another reason I am thinking of being unlicensed in my ministry when i get to the point I need to think about a piece of paper. Bro. Cole himself said there is no room for prophets or apostles in the UPC and that the UPC is a political organization. I say that as I am going to one.
Saying that, I used to say if people get out of wheelchairs and blind eyes are open it won't matter what they think, but even then I think some districts try to control you. Just a feeling.
HolyFire
07-23-2012, 04:11 PM
Clint Brown is one of the best preachers I have ever heard. I am very selective on who I listen too and every time I have ever heard Clint since he started Faith World - I have enjoyed him. I have not been to FaithWorld or his JUDAH Conference in a few years now but he is in much demand around the nation. He is a premier preacher and an incredible song writer and singer.
Cornerstone Church is doing GREAT - around 1000 people each Sunday in 2 services and they demonstrate what they believe every single service. People are repenting, being baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost - OVER 100 Filled Wednesday night.
Cornerstone would not be considered UC - nor would I but at one time we would have been considered - Very UC! LOL
This is one of the greatest Churches I have ever been too!
I am not sure why you guys think that it is a good thing to be labeled UC or "Apostolic". Most churches that I have know to label themselves "Apostolic" were sadly lacking in power and demonstration.
Sad but true in my case. I can say My pastor in Farmerville, LA has a hold of something from God. He prayed for a man, whom God healed of AIDS. Medically verified by prison doctors!
In my church here in B'Ham, we've had several healed of cancer the last couple weeks.
HolyFire
07-23-2012, 04:16 PM
ok. I get excited about 100 people getting the HG.
I get sick thinking about Apostolic Churches having "pastor" (hold on a sec i just puked a little bit in my mouth) Paula White.
Come on people!
Paula White should pay people to come hear her preach.
AreYouReady?
07-23-2012, 06:10 PM
Ha ha. That's funny.
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