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answers
10-04-2011, 01:10 AM
I am sick and tired of attending these church events and see all these girly men prancing around within the church. Whats even worse is they are generally accompanied by an instrument on the platform?
Where have all the real men gone?
How feminine is too feminine and when does a guy with an intentional lisp fall under this portion of scripture?
The effeminate shall not enter the kingdom of God.
??????
Michael The Disciple
10-04-2011, 01:15 AM
You have a video so we can see what you mean?
Amanah
10-04-2011, 03:56 AM
I'm with MTD, I have no clue what you are talking about.
scotty
10-04-2011, 07:43 AM
I guess you need to define "feminine" and "real man"
That will get this thread jumping.
Sister Alvear
10-04-2011, 07:44 AM
getting in deep waters....
scotty
10-04-2011, 07:45 AM
getting in deep waters....
Yeah, with a shallow mind.
Not a good combination.
Sister Alvear
10-04-2011, 07:48 AM
ha...ha...
Sister Alvear
10-04-2011, 07:49 AM
One mind and one accord...
I have got the mind so that just leaves you the cord....ha...
John 1:17
10-04-2011, 07:52 AM
Names!
Give us NAMES!
How can we slam them without proper IDs?
coadie
10-04-2011, 08:35 AM
Names!
Give us NAMES!
How can we slam them without proper IDs?
King David dancing with too much skin showing?
He is not on youtube.
Aquila
10-04-2011, 08:39 AM
Mark Driscoll addresses this a little:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSrZVF3FEUQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lex6orNNzTs&feature=related
Michael The Disciple
10-04-2011, 09:01 AM
So it makes one a sissy to sing love songs to Jesus? Try reading the Psalms. Song Of Solomon. John leaned on his breast? Male or female should be loving him with all our heart, soul,mind, and strength!
We are going to be the bride of Christ. And yet we are also SOLDIERS OF CHRIST. So yes I oppose a feminine look and attitude in men tho I have not met many of these.
I see more females with a mannish look where I live here in Southern Ky.
Cindy
10-04-2011, 09:33 AM
Good grief.
scotty
10-04-2011, 10:28 AM
Good grief.
lol :thumbsup
Jermyn Davidson
10-04-2011, 10:34 AM
I am sick and tired of attending these church events and see all these girly men prancing around within the church. Whats even worse is they are generally accompanied by an instrument on the platform?
Where have all the real men gone?
How feminine is too feminine and when does a guy with an intentional lisp fall under this portion of scripture?
The effeminate shall not enter the kingdom of God.
??????
Honestly,
I have noticed what you have noticed.
Some of these folks may have unresolved issues, some may not.
It's best to not assume anything and if you are a male yourself, go out of your way to befriend them and to fellowship with them.
Create opportunities for fellowship with these guys.
You never know-- you may be the one Holy Spirit filled friend that's real enough for them to be real with you. Then, you can help them walk in deliverance.
Of course, this advice is only offered to you if you genuinely care for the souls of the guys you're criticizing. Unfortunately, many saved folks don't.
Aquila
10-04-2011, 10:42 AM
So it makes one a sissy to sing love songs to Jesus? Try reading the Psalms. Song Of Solomon. John leaned on his breast? Male or female should be loving him with all our heart, soul,mind, and strength!
We are going to be the bride of Christ. And yet we are also SOLDIERS OF CHRIST. So yes I oppose a feminine look and attitude in men tho I have not met many of these.
I see more females with a mannish look where I live here in Southern Ky.
Ummm... let's face it. Many of our worship songs are very "sissy" compared to Psalms of David when David sings about God destroying the enemy on the hills of Jerusalem.
While I really like the following song... it's very feminine in my opinion...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osn-cUuJwro&feature=related
I think the further North you go, the more feminine men you'll find. My previous pastor's style was "metro", a very tamed down market place male style. I do admit, you guys do have some manly women down south. lol
As for John leaning on Christ's breast... in ancient times they sat on the floor and reclined around the table. Men ate with men, women with women. Often, the best friend or family member belonging to the head of the table would recline upon his chest when having a more private conversation. In their culture it was a very masculine thing to do.
The point is... in many mainstream churches to day being "manly" is out... being tamed, styled, and metro is in. One of the music ministers in my local church made my "gay-dar" go on high alert. The dude was thin, very soft spoken, held his "L's" like a girl, glimmering eyes, almost looked like eye lashes, and danced lick a chick. I thought he was gay for sure. Then he married. I pray to God it wasn't to cover his true disposition. But the dude is more woman than man.
Amanah
10-04-2011, 10:48 AM
I knew a person who was born a hermaphrodite
the parents decided to surgically make this person a female
Dawn grew up and excelled in Sports, became a cop, and is about as masculine as a person could be, with one minor detail
how would you dictate gender to this person?
mfblume
10-04-2011, 10:49 AM
King David dancing with too much skin showing?
He is not on youtube.
David never danced with too much skin showing. lol. That is from the false popular concept that he danced in his underwear. He danced in a linen ephod. A PRIEST'S GARMENT.
Anyway, off topic. Carry on.
MissBrattified
10-04-2011, 10:49 AM
I don't know how much "feminine" it takes to be too feminine, but girly men grate on my nerves. It's hard to quantify, but some things that get me:
a prissy walk
wrists bent like this3535
passive or weak behavior
drama...from men
whining
indecisiveness
too much interest in fashion, e.g., metrosexual
lack of interest in women/failure to commit to relationships
Most of these things are subjective and we could argue them one way or the other, but most of us--especially women--know a girly man when we see one. Gay or not, a lack of testosterone is unattractive.
mfblume
10-04-2011, 10:51 AM
Metrosexuality irks me severely. :vomit
scotty
10-04-2011, 10:54 AM
Metrosexuality irks me severely. :vomit
I must live too far south... what is metrosexuality
MissBrattified
10-04-2011, 10:56 AM
I must live too far south... what is metrosexuality
Read this wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrosexual
mfblume
10-04-2011, 10:57 AM
I must live too far south... what is metrosexuality
I am in the great white north in Canada, and we tell men to go behind the barn and holler until they lose any effeminate voice they might have. In -40 cold, too!
Amanah
10-04-2011, 11:02 AM
I've heard preachers preach that back in the old days, men would take an effeminate man out somewhere and beat some sense into them.
A few years back, a guy I won to the lord won someone who was gay.
He received the HG, was baptized, ect ect. The single females in the church circled him like predators. It didn't change the way he felt, the thought of being with a female turned his stomach.
RandyWayne
10-04-2011, 11:03 AM
I am sick and tired of attending these church events and see all these girly men prancing around within the church. Whats even worse is they are generally accompanied by an instrument on the platform?
Where have all the real men gone?
How feminine is too feminine and when does a guy with an intentional lisp fall under this portion of scripture?
The effeminate shall not enter the kingdom of God.
??????
So tell me... What is your view on facial hair?
Aquila
10-04-2011, 11:14 AM
I knew a person who was born a hermaphrodite
the parents decided to surgically make this person a female
Dawn grew up and excelled in Sports, became a cop, and is about as masculine as a person could be, with one minor detail
how would you dictate gender to this person?
The exceptions make the rule Amanah.
Amanah
10-04-2011, 11:15 AM
The exceptions make the rule Amanah.
I know Aquila, I just want compassion, not condemnation to rule.
Aquila
10-04-2011, 11:16 AM
I don't know how much "feminine" it takes to be too feminine, but girly men grate on my nerves. It's hard to quantify, but some things that get me:
a prissy walk
wrists bent like this3535
passive or weak behavior
drama...from men
whining
indecisiveness
too much interest in fashion, e.g., metrosexual
lack of interest in women/failure to commit to relationships
Most of these things are subjective and we could argue them one way or the other, but most of us--especially women--know a girly man when we see one. Gay or not, a lack of testosterone is unattractive.
We've totally emasculated manhood in many areas of the church. Young men are often taught not to even think about girls or they'll burn in Hell. Women become an obstacle instead of precious human beings to be desired, cherished, and loved.
I'd take the ol' "boys will be boys" culture where boys grew into real men any day.
Timmy
10-04-2011, 11:18 AM
The exceptions make the rule Amanah.
How does this help Dawn?
Aquila
10-04-2011, 11:21 AM
I am in the great white north in Canada, and we tell men to go behind the barn and holler until they lose any effeminate voice they might have. In -40 cold, too!
Now that's awesome! :thumbsup
I visited a church that had a "hunting club" once. It was great. These guys were really into Biblical manhood. And the women were sweet as pie... and tough as nails. lol Everything seemed in place.
Aquila
10-04-2011, 11:24 AM
How does this help Dawn?
I believe we should accept Dawn as an an anomaly, not anything immoral. Her situation is unique given her condition. She's a beloved soul, loved and cherished by God.
In a sense... she has a choice with regards to her lifestyle that we don't. Again, I'd say that it's because of her situation. I'd pray with her and help her sort her self out and land where she truly is in her heart... and support her (or him) from there.
MissBrattified
10-04-2011, 11:24 AM
We've totally emasculated manhood in many areas of the church. Young men are often taught not to even think about girls or they'll burn in Hell. Women become an obstacle instead of precious human beings to be desired, cherished, and loved.
I'd take the ol' "boys will be boys" culture where boys grew into real men any day.
My husband and I had an interesting conversation this morning. We were talking about guys our girls will potentially date. He was concerned about guys "trying stuff" when they're dating, and I told him that I'd rather have them date guys that were somewhat [sexually] aggressive than someone who is passive and never tries to cross boundaries. Of course, I know that a Christian young man should be trying to keep all that in check and should be a gentleman, but I think I can tell the difference between "not interested" and "trying not to."
In this culture of emasculated men, it's important to find men who are rough around the edges, IMO.
Aquila
10-04-2011, 11:26 AM
My husband and I had an interesting conversation this morning. We were talking about guys our girls will potentially date. He was concerned about guys "trying stuff" when they're dating, and I told him that I'd rather have them date guys that were somewhat [sexually] aggressive than someone who is passive and never tries to cross boundaries. Of course, I know that a Christian young man should be trying to keep all that in check and should be a gentleman, but I think I can tell the difference between "not interested" and "trying not to."
In this culture of emasculated men, it's important to find men who are rough around the edges, IMO.
It's healthy. Young men should desire girls and girls should have the upper hand with being able to say "no"... and thereby frustrate those little guys into becoming MEN to win her. lol
Amanah
10-04-2011, 11:26 AM
I tend to swoon and drop a hankie when a big strong brute of a man passes me in the hall at church . . . but the ushers have smelling salts ready for when my feminine sensibilties are overwhelmed.
Timmy
10-04-2011, 11:29 AM
I tend to swoon and drop a hankie when a big strong brute of a man passes me in the hall at church . . . but the ushers have smelling salts ready for when my feminine sensibilties are overwhelmed.
:lol
answers
10-04-2011, 11:30 AM
My concern is not the songs we sing or the way we worship. Having taken on the role as the BRIDE of Christ I accept my role in the kingdom and my worship reflects such. However when ones character defines you as effeminate. If people in the world would question your sexuality based on your character than what does God think and is your girly worship leader splitting the pit with his gay mannerisms.
Timmy
10-04-2011, 11:31 AM
I believe we should accept Dawn as an an anomaly, not anything immoral. Her situation is unique given her condition. She's a beloved soul, loved and cherished by God.
In a sense... she has a choice with regards to her lifestyle that we don't. Again, I'd say that it's because of her situation. I'd pray with her and help her sort her self out and land where she truly is in her heart... and support her (or him) from there.
OK, that makes sense. But what about other individuals who, in some way, "act like" the opposite gender? Are they all just rebellious and deserving of punishment if they don't change their ways?
Amanah
10-04-2011, 11:37 AM
some women are going to be tomboys and more athletic.
some men are going to be bookish and not so tough.
all of us have hormones which are going to influence our behaviours.
I think we should allow people, within Godly reason, to be who they are.
If a women has a great job and wants to be the bread winner, and a man for whatever reason wants to take time to be involved with his kids, more power to them.
answers
10-04-2011, 11:40 AM
So tell me... What is your view on facial hair?
If you like it grow it. If you're wife hates it, grow it at your own risk. No shave November is just around the corner you know.
RandyWayne
10-04-2011, 11:45 AM
Now that's awesome! :thumbsup
I visited a church that had a "hunting club" once. It was great. These guys were really into Biblical manhood. And the women were sweet as pie... and tough as nails. lol Everything seemed in place.
My old church before we moved has a annual hunting night where the guys (and gals if they are into it) come in wearing their camo and their favorite gun(s) and do nothing but talk hunting.
So many apostolics have been forced to participate in the apostolic mating ritual which involves running the isles in church, including when the preacher is preaching, as their sole means of attracting the opposite sex. It is right out of an old Crocodile Hunter episode. "And now we have this fine lad running in front of the pretty Shela's saying 'look at me! look at me! Look how I worship. Look how many services I attend!'. Crikey!".
MissBrattified
10-04-2011, 11:56 AM
some women are going to be tomboys and more athletic.
some men are going to be bookish and not so tough.
all of us have hormones which are going to influence our behaviours.
I think we should allow people, within Godly reason, to be who they are.
Sure. However, this thread addresses opinions and personal preferences that we are presumably too polite to discuss in most public venues. It isn't my job to make any effeminate man more masculine. I don't have that ability, anyway. That doesn't mean I'm going to be attracted to an effeminate man, simply because I have the knowledge that it isn't my place or within my reach to change them in any way. And we definitely teach our girls to look for "manly men" when looking for husband material. In today's culture, women are groomed to see passivity as being preferred in a man, but in reality that ends up being boring and unattractive. I'd rather tousle with a little too much testosterone than the other way around.
It IS important to note that a man being effeminate is a sin; it isn't homosexual behaviors alone that are wrong. Therefore, it's just as important for Christians to be aware of this as it is that they know to avoid adultery, lying or stealing. And the fact that it's classified with other optional behaviors tells me that effeminacy is just as much a choice as anything else. It can be learned, unlearned and chosen or not. (I Corinthians 6:9-10)
I looked up "effeminate" from I Corinthians.
Greek word - malakos, meaning: Of uncertain affinity; soft, that is, fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite: - effeminate, soft.
Interestingly enough, a "catamite" was a boy in ancient Greece who was "kept" by a pedophile.
Also interesting is the reference to "fine (clothing)." :coffee2
If a women has a great job and wants to be the bread winner, and a man for whatever reason wants to take time to be involved with his kids, more power to them.
This is a soapbox of mine, so I'll save it for another thread, but I do believe it's ideal for a woman to be the primary caretaker of her home and children--especially small children. That said, there's room for other arrangements as long as both husband and wife are in agreement.
If a man uses the word "salmon" to describe a color punch him in the eyeball for being a girly man.
MissBrattified
10-04-2011, 12:08 PM
If a man uses the word "salmon" to describe a color punch him in the eyeball for being a girly man.
That's funny because my Dad had a polyester 3-piece suit from the 70's that he insisted on calling "salmon" and my mother called it "pink", to his great consternation. :D She finally managed to get rid of it--but there's a picture somewhere of him wearing it, preserved forever for viewers to decide for themselves whether it was pink or salmon.
Bella1
10-04-2011, 12:36 PM
Lord, I hope this does not get back to my soon to be ex-husband, because I do still love him so much.
BUT.....even though he tried the manly man walk and was a girl chaser, he really was and still is very effeminate. He used to take me clothes shopping, buy my clothes and literally told me what to wear for years, because I was not a "good dresser", or so he told me and I believed him. He also has a high pitched voice. He sings a GREAT tenor.
So really, you can be effeminate and still be a man. :heeheehee
And now that he no longer goes to church and is dating someone, he is OVER THE TOP in what he wears when they go out.
Amanah
10-04-2011, 01:02 PM
So will the effeminate see the kingdom of God?
the guy who wears a pink shirt and prefers books to baseball but loves Jesus will.
the guy who sleeps with other guys and doesn't repent, no.
deafdriscoll
10-04-2011, 01:25 PM
Well, I read this and laughed. I shave when I feel like it. I like my railroad t-shirts and I wear western clothing for good. I have a buckskin coat to impress the ladies with. They love my buckskin coat but none of them will date me. Why ???????????????????? :highfive
I wear wrangler western shirts with the metal buttons. They are stylish and have western picture themes on them.
I like russian winter hats because they are very warm.
These qualties I believe make me a "man's" man. I would rather be down at the railroad tracks watching trains than looking for a babe.
I like cats because I have smart ones.:happydance
Catch you all later, deafdriscoll
NorCal
10-04-2011, 02:30 PM
the guy who wears a pink shirt and prefers books to baseball but loves Jesus will.
the guy who sleeps with other guys and doesn't repent, no.
I wear pink shirts, and pink ties. Can sing higher then most women. I can cook, clean the house, and I am great with kids.
Does that make me effeminate? NO!
Because I, enjoy sports, outdoors, and other "manly" things. Have a manly profession.
But, I do understand where the thoughts of some musicians effeminate comes from. Say if you play the piano from a young age (like I), the first thing the teach you is to "Relax your wrist!" So that explains your limp-wristedness in most musicians.
Amanah
10-04-2011, 02:41 PM
I wear pink shirts, and pink ties. Can sing higher then most women. I can cook, clean the house, and I am great with kids.
Does that make me effeminate? NO!
Because I, enjoy sports, outdoors, and other "manly" things. Have a manly profession..
:highfive
imo a man who can cook, clean, and is great with kids is hawt!
houston
10-04-2011, 03:04 PM
If a man uses the word "salmon" to describe a color punch him in the eyeball for being a girly man.
Are you calling me out on an open format?
Truthseeker
10-04-2011, 03:07 PM
Are we talking about them guys with the puffed up hair on top and wear them thick gay looking glasses? :heeheehee
Are you calling me out on an open format?
ha! If the 7 colors are good enough for God they are good enough for me!
houston
10-04-2011, 03:21 PM
Anyway, only gays gave gaydar.
Aquila needs to find another term to use.
And what is with Amanah? someone throw her into a tub of cold water to cool her down.
answers
10-04-2011, 03:26 PM
So does one have to be gay to be feminine? I feel they don't because the passage of scripture addresses both. That both will go to hell. Why the redundancy?
Praxeas
10-04-2011, 03:27 PM
Did anyone define what these "men" were doing that was supposedly feminine?
scotty
10-04-2011, 03:50 PM
I guess you need to define "feminine" and "real man"
That will get this thread jumping.
Did anyone define what these "men" were doing that was supposedly feminine?
thats what I been waiting on.
NorCal
10-04-2011, 03:53 PM
Anyway, only gays gave gaydar.
Aquila needs to find another term to use.
And what is with Amanah? someone throw her into a tub of cold water to cool her down.
I am sorry, not only Gays have Gaydar. The Holy Spirit (that should be with in you) is the strongest Gaydar this world will ever have.
houston
10-04-2011, 03:56 PM
sure
answers
10-04-2011, 04:02 PM
I'm really not speaking about anything I have seen specifically. Just a general observation of girly men.
Timmy
10-04-2011, 04:50 PM
ha! If the 7 colors are good enough for God they are good enough for me!
That reminds me. Other than a color in the rainbow, between blue and violet, what exactly is indigo? Would you know it if you saw it? I don't think I would.
Cindy
10-04-2011, 04:50 PM
This is just a weird thread.
Timmy
10-04-2011, 04:52 PM
This is just a weird thread.
Yeah, this one's better: http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=31030
There, we found out that "Cindy is a sinner". :heeheehee
Amanah
10-04-2011, 05:00 PM
This is just a weird thread.
if you prefer we can start a standards thread?
answers
10-04-2011, 06:45 PM
fem·i·nine [fem-uh-nin] Show IPA
adjective
1.
pertaining to a woman or girl: feminine beauty; feminine dress.
2.
having qualities traditionally ascribed to women, as sensitivity or gentleness.
3.
effeminate; womanish: a man with a feminine walk.
4.
belonging to the female sex; female: feminine staff members.
MissBrattified
10-04-2011, 06:45 PM
Anyway, only gays gave gaydar.
Aquila needs to find another term to use.
And what is with Amanah? someone throw her into a tub of cold water to cool her down.
What? Where did you get that idea????
answers
10-04-2011, 06:54 PM
This is just a weird thread.
not strange but it has gone 7 pages of not answering the question at hand.
We recognize when a gentlemen is feminine. When he walks softly and has mannerisms that unlike that of a typical man and I'm not referring to an overly butch man either.
Not really referring to the way they dress either(although those skinny jeans aren't really helping their case.)
This spirit of effeminate men is running rampant here in the united states and sadly its in our churches. I primarily see it among our musicians.
The scripture says Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
The scripture IMO was not being redundant but was drawing a line between 2 separate acts. At what point does a man fall into the first category?
answers
10-04-2011, 06:55 PM
Here is a great article
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/why_cant_americans_get_cast_as.html
houston
10-04-2011, 07:28 PM
I don't think ya'll really know what gaydar is.
Jermyn Davidson
10-04-2011, 08:13 PM
One of the BEST things you can do to help someone you may think is suffering from this malady is to spend quality time with them.
Don't make them your pet project-- make them your friend, and not just for a little while.
A huge part of Biblical Christianity is interpersonal relationships (I would use the word fellowship, but that word has become synonymous with Sunday evening gatherings at the local restaurant after service.)
Fellowship is so much more than time spent in the same building gorging on the Cracker Barrell dinner special!
Create opportunities for the building of interpersonal relationships that encourage the development of masculinity and positive male bonding-- remembering to keep a meek spirit (if possible) so as to not further damage (or intimidate) that person's masculine identity.
All sorts of people hide in the church.
It's somewhat warm and safe.
Help create the atmosphere in your church where real people can be real with their issues so they can truly repent, overcome and be healed.
Arphaxad
10-04-2011, 10:30 PM
fem·i·nine [fem-uh-nin] Show IPA
adjective
1.
pertaining to a woman or girl: feminine beauty; feminine dress.
2.
having qualities traditionally ascribed to women, as sensitivity or gentleness.
3.
effeminate; womanish: a man with a feminine walk.
4.
belonging to the female sex; female: feminine staff members.
hmmmm, so that's why the Brits lost their empire, all of those effeminate lords made God mad.:heeheehee
:doggyrun
crakjak
10-04-2011, 10:54 PM
I've heard preachers preach that back in the old days, men would take an effeminate man out somewhere and beat some sense into them.
A few years back, a guy I won to the lord won someone who was gay.
He received the HG, was baptized, ect ect. The single females in the church circled him like predators. It didn't change the way he felt, the thought of being with a female turned his stomach.
Yep, real macho!!! Beat the ........ out of someone and fix anything????? That is what gave us the "hate crime" laws, isn't it?? Real Christ like.
crakjak
10-04-2011, 11:01 PM
Sure. However, this thread addresses opinions and personal preferences that we are presumably too polite to discuss in most public venues. It isn't my job to make any effeminate man more masculine. I don't have that ability, anyway. That doesn't mean I'm going to be attracted to an effeminate man, simply because I have the knowledge that it isn't my place or within my reach to change them in any way. And we definitely teach our girls to look for "manly men" when looking for husband material. In today's culture, women are groomed to see passivity as being preferred in a man, but in reality that ends up being boring and unattractive. I'd rather tousle with a little too much testosterone than the other way around.
It IS important to note that a man being effeminate is a sin; it isn't homosexual behaviors alone that are wrong. Therefore, it's just as important for Christians to be aware of this as it is that they know to avoid adultery, lying or stealing. And the fact that it's classified with other optional behaviors tells me that effeminacy is just as much a choice as anything else. It can be learned, unlearned and chosen or not. (I Corinthians 6:9-10)
I looked up "effeminate" from I Corinthians.
Greek word - malakos, meaning: Of uncertain affinity; soft, that is, fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite: - effeminate, soft.
Interestingly enough, a "catamite" was a boy in ancient Greece who was "kept" by a pedophile.
Also interesting is the reference to "fine (clothing)." :coffee2
This is a soapbox of mine, so I'll save it for another thread, but I do believe it's ideal for a woman to be the primary caretaker of her home and children--especially small children. That said, there's room for other arrangements as long as both husband and wife are in agreement.
You are just too feminine, Miss B!!! LOL
berkeley
10-04-2011, 11:12 PM
I named my dog Malakos because of his soft coat.
Amanah
10-05-2011, 04:32 AM
My husband and I had an interesting conversation this morning. We were talking about guys our girls will potentially date. He was concerned about guys "trying stuff" when they're dating, and I told him that I'd rather have them date guys that were somewhat [sexually] aggressive than someone who is passive and never tries to cross boundaries. Of course, I know that a Christian young man should be trying to keep all that in check and should be a gentleman, but I think I can tell the difference between "not interested" and "trying not to."
In this culture of emasculated men, it's important to find men who are rough around the edges, IMO.
Mothers better teach their sons to treat females they are courting as sisters. tell him how would you like it if someone violated your sister. females have sex drives also, why put it all on the girl to keep it under control?
Amanah
10-05-2011, 04:36 AM
This is a soapbox of mine, so I'll save it for another thread, but I do believe it's ideal for a woman to be the primary caretaker of her home and children--especially small children. That said, there's room for other arrangements as long as both husband and wife are in agreement.
oh I agree, but, the world we are living in is not ideal. many, many men are out of work and can't support their wives at home. it's better for women to step up and help then for the man to be pushed to the point that he gives up and walks away and leaves a family stranded.
and while the family is doing all they can just to stay afloat, I would hope there would be no condemnation on the parents that they are not meeting expectations.
Amanah
10-05-2011, 04:40 AM
recent studies have shown that the tides have turned and men are now under extreme pressure, moreso then women.
they are expected to be the tough macho bread winner along with doing their share at home, helping with the house and kids.
while at the same time women are working less hours outside of the home, while still expecting the man to take on more domestic chores.
so at one time, women were trying to do it all and failing miserably, now women are shifting back to staying at home and working less hours, while men are the ones trying to do it all.
there needs to be a compassionate balance, where both look at what they can best contribute and support each other the best they can.
I know one OP family where the women is a software eng and makes good money, the husband's job paid poo. they decided the best way was for her to work and him to stay home with their two small children. It was the best way for them to have the best possible life for their family.
Truthseeker
10-05-2011, 05:06 AM
recent studies have shown that the tides have turned and men are now under extreme pressure, moreso then women.
they are expected to be the tough macho bread winner along with doing their share at home, helping with the house and kids.
while at the same time women are working less hours outside of the home, while still expecting the man to take on more domestic chores.
so at one time, women were trying to do it all and failing miserably, now women are shifting back to staying at home and working less hours, while men are the ones trying to do it all.
there needs to be a compassionate balance, where both look at what they can best contribute and support each other the best they can.
I know one OP family where the women is a software eng and makes good money, the husband's job paid poo. they decided the best way was for her to work and him to stay home with their two small children. It was the best way for them to have the best possible life for their family.
One problemt is it can be hard for women to submit/obey their husbands when they are the bread winner. I know a church lady who thoiught because she made the dough she didn't have to submit. I'm sure it can work but think it would cause problems that have to be worked through.
Amanah
10-05-2011, 05:26 AM
One problemt is it can be hard for women to submit/obey their husbands when they are the bread winner. I know a church lady who thoiught because she made the dough she didn't have to submit. I'm sure it can work but think it would cause problems that have to be worked through.
we are told to submit one to another, but the wife should respect her husband and the husband should lay down his life for his wife as Christ did for the church.
I'm thinking both men and women are falling short there.
Truthseeker
10-05-2011, 05:32 AM
we are told to submit one to another, but the wife should respect her husband and the husband should lay down his life for his wife as Christ did for the church.
I'm thinking both men and women are falling short there.
Bible clearly teaches wives are to submit/obey, yes men are to love thier wives as Christ as loved the church.
Our failures don't t change scriptural standards of living.
BTW that submit to one another is taken out of context, it's refering to church body not marital relationship.
Amanah
10-05-2011, 05:42 AM
my husband and I discuss issues and try to come up with a mutual agreement. Occasionally he overrides me and does what he thinks best. He is not heavy handed though, demanding I obey his every whim.
guess I'm lucky, I'm sure it would suck to be a wife of some.
Truthseeker
10-05-2011, 05:53 AM
my husband and I discuss issues and try to come up with a mutual agreement. Occasionally he overrides me and does what he thinks best. He is not heavy handed though, demanding I obey his every whim.
guess I'm lucky, I'm sure it would suck to be a wife of some.
A husband can't make a wife obedient, that is a heart issue that a man can't fix. Just as a women can't make a man love her as christ loves the church, heart issue again.
Sometimes couples can get it mixed up, bible doesn't tell men to make their wives obedient, but to love and cherish their wives. Doesn't indicate must wait til wife is submissive to do so. Men are trying to make their wives submissive when that's not their command, that's Gods area. Man can't fix rebellion in the heart of another person. Applies in reverse from wife to husband as well. She can't make him cherish her.
submit/obey are not bad evil words. :thumbsup
Amanah
10-05-2011, 05:54 AM
One problemt is it can be hard for women to submit/obey their husbands when they are the bread winner. I know a church lady who thoiught because she made the dough she didn't have to submit. I'm sure it can work but think it would cause problems that have to be worked through.
In the case of my OP friend who is a SW Engineer, she is not from this country, she is Japanese I think, it's very easy for her to submit to her husband because of the culture she was raised in.
Truthseeker
10-05-2011, 05:58 AM
In the case of my OP friend who is a SW Engineer, she is not from this country, she is Japanese I think, it's very easy for her to submit to her husband because of the culture she was raised in.
Yep, some cultures make it easier in that area.Not all have been americanized.
Amanah
10-05-2011, 06:17 AM
A husband can't make a wife obedient, that is a heart issue that a man can't fix. Just as a women can't make a man love her as christ loves the church, heart issue again.
Sometimes couples can get it mixed up, bible doesn't tell men to make their wives obedient, but to love and cherish their wives. Doesn't indicate must wait til wife is submissive to do so. Men are trying to make their wives submissive when that's not their command, that's Gods area. Man can't fix rebellion in the heart of another person. Applies in reverse from wife to husband as well. She can't make him cherish her.
submit/obey are not bad evil words. :thumbsup
well said
Truthseeker
10-05-2011, 06:23 AM
Let me add husband are to submit to what brings oneness to a marriage. Trampling on, disrespect, saying hards words or even "you suppose to obey" is not accomplishing oneness.
Winning your wife over doesn't stop with a marriage license.
scotty
10-05-2011, 07:51 AM
Let me add husband are to submit to what brings oneness to a marriage. Trampling on, disrespect, saying hards words or even "you suppose to obey" is not accomplishing oneness.
Winning your wife over doesn't stop with a marriage license.
Amen and Amen !! :thumbsup
Timmy
10-05-2011, 08:12 AM
. . . She can't make him cherish her.
Oh? Never heard of Victoria's Secret? :heeheehee
Amanah
10-05-2011, 08:15 AM
Oh? Never heard of Victoria's Secret? :heeheehee
hehe haha :spit:heeheehee
Truthseeker
10-05-2011, 08:37 AM
Oh? Never heard of Victoria's Secret? :heeheehee
Cherish her not just body. :)
Amanah
10-05-2011, 08:38 AM
Cherish her not just body. :)
I'm liking you more and more each post
Truthseeker
10-05-2011, 08:58 AM
Just don't show my wife what I posted, she might use against me. :)
I tell my wife she is supposed to submit to me all the time. Makes here giggle.
laughter in a marriage is very important.
That reminds me. Other than a color in the rainbow, between blue and violet, what exactly is indigo? Would you know it if you saw it? I don't think I would.
THERE IS NO COLOR BETWEEN BLUE AND PURPLE!
NONE!!!!!!!
unless you are a girl then there are probably 50 colors between them but they arent real. they are just ways for women to confuse men!!!!!!
Timmy
10-05-2011, 09:21 AM
THERE IS NO COLOR BETWEEN BLUE AND PURPLE!
NONE!!!!!!!
unless you are a girl then there are probably 50 colors between them but they arent real. they are just ways for women to confuse men!!!!!!
:lol
berkeley
10-05-2011, 10:26 AM
funny funny thread.
Oh be quiet! :foottap
Ya know, reading the first post is decieving. The starter of this thread makes the comment about feminine but really means effeminate. Yet they are intentional in what they are doing.
I think that they have a person they intentionally are shooting at with their blanket statement about so many effeminate musicians.
That would be like me saying "how come there are so many evil people in Illinois?" based just upon Obama?
The starter of this thread has an agenda.
Oh be quiet! :foottap
People tell me to shut up all the time, is it my deodorant or lack of breath spray?:foottap
MissBrattified
10-05-2011, 10:32 AM
Ya know, reading the first post is decieving. The starter of this thread makes the comment about feminine but really means effeminate. Yet they are intentional in what they are doing.
I think that they have a person they intentionally are shooting at with their blanket statement about so many effeminate musicians.
That would be like me saying "how come there are so many evil people in Illinois?" based just upon Obama?
The starter of this thread has an agenda.
I don't know if I agree with you. It does seem that the Music Department attracts a certain ilk--more often than other departments, anyway.
The most masculine women I've seen in the church are usually the ones that want to preach. That doesn't mean that all women preachers are lesbians or butch--obviously. It does seem that the position of authority attracts masculine women. Sometimes. :) *NOT* shooting at anyone in particular. Maybe simply being in a position of authority creates the perception. I'm not sure.
Timmy
10-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Ya know, reading the first post is decieving. The starter of this thread makes the comment about feminine but really means effeminate. Yet they are intentional in what they are doing.
I think that they have a person they intentionally are shooting at with their blanket statement about so many effeminate musicians.
That would be like me saying "how come there are so many evil people in Illinois?" based just upon Obama?
The starter of this thread has an agenda.
:blink
I don't know if I agree with you. It does seem that the Music Department attracts a certain ilk--more often than other departments, anyway.
The most masculine women I've seen in the church are usually the ones that want to preach. That doesn't mean that all women preachers are lesbians or butch--obviously. It does seem that the position of authority attracts masculine women. Sometimes. :) *NOT* shooting at anyone in particular. Maybe simply being in a position of authority creates the perception. I'm not sure.
The only problem is.... it is possible that this very same person, in another name, started a similar thread on another furum aimed the same way.
:happydance
berkeley
10-05-2011, 10:37 AM
People tell me to shut up all the time, is it my deodorant or lack of breath spray?:foottap
IDK. Maybe it's the repugnant stench of shrimp baking on the sandy shore.
MrsMcD
10-05-2011, 01:31 PM
I don't know if I agree with you. It does seem that the Music Department attracts a certain ilk--more often than other departments, anyway.
The most masculine women I've seen in the church are usually the ones that want to preach. That doesn't mean that all women preachers are lesbians or butch--obviously. It does seem that the position of authority attracts masculine women. Sometimes. :) *NOT* shooting at anyone in particular. Maybe simply being in a position of authority creates the perception. I'm not sure.
I definitely agree that it seems this way.
MrsMcD
10-05-2011, 01:32 PM
People tell me to shut up all the time, is it my deodorant or lack of breath spray?:foottap
Tell them that it is rude to tell people to shut up. This is one of my pet peeves. I really dislike those two words. lol
answers
10-05-2011, 03:55 PM
Ya know, reading the first post is decieving. The starter of this thread makes the comment about feminine but really means effeminate. Yet they are intentional in what they are doing.
I think that they have a person they intentionally are shooting at with their blanket statement about so many effeminate musicians.
That would be like me saying "how come there are so many evil people in Illinois?" based just upon Obama?
The starter of this thread has an agenda.
Based off of this post I have come to suspect that you and Sarah Palin must be related. Can you see Russia from your house too
Hoovie
10-05-2011, 07:39 PM
THERE IS NO COLOR BETWEEN BLUE AND PURPLE!
NONE!!!!!!!
unless you are a girl then there are probably 50 colors between them but they arent real. they are just ways for women to confuse men!!!!!!
What is purple?
Michael The Disciple
10-05-2011, 11:16 PM
My concern is not the songs we sing or the way we worship. Having taken on the role as the BRIDE of Christ I accept my role in the kingdom and my worship reflects such. However when ones character defines you as effeminate. If people in the world would question your sexuality based on your character than what does God think and is your girly worship leader splitting the pit with his gay mannerisms.
Agreed.
answers
10-05-2011, 11:27 PM
I really thought there would be more opinions on the matter. Perhaps my newness is showing.
berkeley
10-05-2011, 11:29 PM
Yeah, if you were new...
answers
10-05-2011, 11:30 PM
Yeah, if you were new...
??? I don't understand.
answers
10-05-2011, 11:40 PM
I am going to give my opinion. If your character defines you as a feminine male than per the scripture I think you may be in danger within God's court. God gave definitive characteristics to men and women. You don't have to hunt and fight and spit to be a man. I am a man, I hunt. I like guns. I like nice clothes and I will pay for a good haircut. I will wear pink. I am without a doubt, man. My wife is without a doubt a woman. Naturally, my sexuality is definitive as a man who enjoys women.
With that said, I seen men both in the world and in the church who have characteristics which are questionable. Characteristics which are similar to that of a woman. I would define them as feminine men. Not metrosexual. My concern is not the men in the world but the ones in our churches that we place at the forefront of ministry because talent overrides their character.
If anyone has been around feminine gay men through work or family or other venues, you can be sure that these types of men will approach these feminine "straight" men. Introducing to them perhaps spirits that are unfamiliar. Unfamiliar spirits can be overwhelming and perhaps catch these feminine men in a weak spiritual state in which they may give in?
When do we address this issue that men need to act like men? This IMO is just as important as any other matter that pertains to salvation.
berkeley
10-05-2011, 11:43 PM
how is a man supposed to act?
answers
10-05-2011, 11:44 PM
how is a man supposed to act?
The opposite of how a girl acts.
berkeley
10-05-2011, 11:49 PM
how is a girl supposed to act?
answers
10-05-2011, 11:52 PM
how is a girl supposed to act?
The very nature of a woman is delicate, sensitive, needy. Have you ever seen someone attempt to grow an orchid. If you have, than you will understand women. If a man shares those characteristics, than we have a problem.
Do you accept that there are feminine acting men? I think it's foolish to deny that there is not.
berkeley
10-05-2011, 11:59 PM
Do you accept that there are feminine acting men? I think it's foolish to deny that there is not.
Sure. Something that I can't wrap my mind around is why many introverted boys/men are feminine.
answers
10-06-2011, 12:08 AM
Sure. Something that I can't wrap my mind around is why many introverted boys/men are feminine.
I feel introverted boys/men are usually raised in either abusive homes or by an overly protective single mother. They are usually quiet and shy as well. It's the ones that are not introvert that I have the most questions about.
I remember a few "music majors" I went to BC with and I thought at 17 years old in my simple mind. This guy isn't playing on the same team as the rest of guys. I would play that off as the harsh judgement of a youthful mind. Today, I still wonder about the same guys when I see them.
scotty
10-06-2011, 10:16 AM
You had a girlfriend run off with a girly man didn't you.
deafdriscoll
10-06-2011, 10:24 AM
interesting...........
This whole topic is funny.
:thumbsup
berkeley
10-06-2011, 10:57 AM
You had a girlfriend run off with a girly man didn't you.
at least he didn't turn her gay
MamaHen
10-06-2011, 09:24 PM
It is funny to come across this thread today. I just read a couple posts about why MEN hate Church.
"Why Men Hate Church" by David Morrow (http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/ChurchAndMinistry/menhatingchurch.aspx) and Frank Viola interviewed David Morrow (http://frankviola.org/2011/03/07/why-men-hate-church-an-interview-with-david-murrow/)
MamaHen
10-06-2011, 09:27 PM
Clearly we can make a judgement about men being girly....
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 6:9-10
Michael The Disciple
10-06-2011, 10:45 PM
It is funny to come across this thread today. I just read a couple posts about why MEN hate Church.
"Why Men Hate Church" by David Morrow (http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/ChurchAndMinistry/menhatingchurch.aspx) and Frank Viola interviewed David Morrow (http://frankviola.org/2011/03/07/why-men-hate-church-an-interview-with-david-murrow/)
Men may hate Church because there is no challenge. They are told to "just believe" in Jesus. If you attempt to strive, labor, run or be whole hearted you are called a Pharisee or a legalist.
They no doubt get bored with a religion of sit on a pew and be a nice boy.
The Jesus they are being spoon fed accepts them in whatever condition they are. In outright sin. Cold or lukewarm. The modern Jesus loves them all!
The only one the modern Jesus hates is those who are downright passionate and zealous when it comes to truth and holiness. Such a man is shunned, mocked, and told he is full of hate!
If a man sees in scripture he is to BE LIKE JESUS and takes that seriously abandoning all else for that purpose he will soon be branded "heretic" or "cultist".
The worldly Church likes men that are weak. Men with no vision. Men who are not going anywhere except through the doors and onto the Pew on Sunday!
Bring back Churches like the first one. Where men are told they must forsake all to be a disciple of Jesus. Where they are told they must hate Father and Mother, Wife and Children, Brother and Sister, yea and their own life also if they wish to be a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. Where they are told they must take up the cross daily and die to self if they would be a disciple of Jesus. Where they are taught without holiness no man shall see the Lord. Where they are taught spiritual warfare and to take the kingdom by force.
Present to them a Jesus who is coming to violently overthrow all the Governments of men and WITH HIS SAINTS rule all the nations with a rod of iron!
THEN you will have a stirring among men. Its probably to late for many who have become satisfied with Church attendance instead of discipleship. However starting now why not revolt against the modern Church and begin teaching the commandments of our Great God and Saviour Jesus Christ? Holding him up as the example for every Christian and do away with the distorted lie of "unconditional love"!
The truth is out there.
Hoovie
10-06-2011, 10:57 PM
"Reach over and hug a neighbor... tell um you love them."
Most church is done in a fashion that many women find appealing and but many men find appalling.
Timmy
10-07-2011, 11:08 AM
Clearly we can make a judgement about men being girly....
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 6:9-10
Possibly. But there are degrees of effeminacy, are there not? Think your judgement on how much is too much will be the same as God's judgement? That's the question of the thread, after all. Well, if we change "feminine" to "effeminate" (which, we're told, is different, and signaled, to someone, an agenda of some kind ;)).
Timmy
10-07-2011, 11:12 AM
Possibly. But there are degrees of effeminacy, are there not? Think your judgement on how much is too much will be the same as God's judgement? That's the question of the thread, after all. Well, if we change "feminine" to "effeminate" (which, we're told, is different, and signaled, to someone, an agenda of some kind ;)).
Oh, silly me. God, being God, would insist on there being absolutely no effeminacy in a man. So, any guy who uses the word "salmon" as the name of a color is out. For example. (Right, Ferd? :heeheehee)
answers
10-07-2011, 09:49 PM
Possibly. But there are degrees of effeminacy, are there not? Think your judgement on how much is too much will be the same as God's judgement? That's the question of the thread, after all. Well, if we change "feminine" to "effeminate" (which, we're told, is different, and signaled, to someone, an agenda of some kind ;)).
there are degrees of effeminacy? right... a little adultery is ok too, right?
or a little bit of gay is cool because there are degrees of gay.
God's judgement will be bas upon a spotless life that was made spotless based off of unending repentance.
So its safe to say you may not make it heaven if you have a "little" sin or a varying "degree" of sin. :thumbsup
Brad Murphy
10-08-2011, 06:41 AM
Hmmm, so if I don't like sports or breaking wind with macho guys, (both "manly attributes"), and have soft hands from a desk job, I am going to hell? I guess I should stop wearing deodorant and shaving, etc. then I will appear more manly...
I guess one of my issues with my Pentecostal heritage is that everyone is supposed to like the same things... guys are supposed to be loggers or construction workers or roofers, etc. (not that there is anything wrong with that, I sometimes wish I had a job that was more outdoorsy), to like sports and hunting, breaking wind and then leaving the room with all of your other guy friends still in it (of course I've probably broken the man code by even mentioning this, but the majority of guys find it funny and will take turns doing it to one another). I never got into any of this stuff, I'd rather go for a walk or a bike ride or read a book. By reading this thread, it appears that I would need to pretend to like sports and hunting and other more traditional "manly" things to go to Heaven...
What if - every person, male or female had different interests and personalities and there wasn't a mold of exactly what hobbies a man is supposed to like and which ones a woman is supposed to like? What if a woman doesn't like scrap booking or figuring out a 23989713th way to do her hair, if she is different, and doesn't fit in, that would make her more interesting in my opinion. Too many people (men and women) seem to be looking for a Pentecostal clone with a very defined set of interests, and the only thing you are allowed to vary is the brand of cologne or perfume. I never wanted to be just like everyone else (Well, at least not in the church) but as a preacher's kid, I wanted to be like the "World"... but being like the "World" was not what Pentecostals traditionally make it mean, it was more about being allowed to be an individual and developing my own likes and interests.
berkeley
10-08-2011, 09:21 AM
Excellent post!
Michael The Disciple
10-08-2011, 10:11 AM
Hmmm, so if I don't like sports or breaking wind with macho guys, (both "manly attributes"), and have soft hands from a desk job, I am going to hell? I guess I should stop wearing deodorant and shaving, etc. then I will appear more manly...
I guess one of my issues with my Pentecostal heritage is that everyone is supposed to like the same things... guys are supposed to be loggers or construction workers or roofers, etc. (not that there is anything wrong with that, I sometimes wish I had a job that was more outdoorsy), to like sports and hunting, breaking wind and then leaving the room with all of your other guy friends still in it (of course I've probably broken the man code by even mentioning this, but the majority of guys find it funny and will take turns doing it to one another). I never got into any of this stuff, I'd rather go for a walk or a bike ride or read a book. By reading this thread, it appears that I would need to pretend to like sports and hunting and other more traditional "manly" things to go to Heaven...
What if - every person, male or female had different interests and personalities and there wasn't a mold of exactly what hobbies a man is supposed to like and which ones a woman is supposed to like? What if a woman doesn't like scrap booking or figuring out a 23989713th way to do her hair, if she is different, and doesn't fit in, that would make her more interesting in my opinion. Too many people (men and women) seem to be looking for a Pentecostal clone with a very defined set of interests, and the only thing you are allowed to vary is the brand of cologne or perfume. I never wanted to be just like everyone else (Well, at least not in the church) but as a preacher's kid, I wanted to be like the "World"... but being like the "World" was not what Pentecostals traditionally make it mean, it was more about being allowed to be an individual and developing my own likes and interests.
I dont think going for a walk, riding a bike, or reading a book is effeminate. Its when a man acts or dresses like a women. And plenty of men who are "macho" are going to be lost.
Jesus calls us to a life IN HIM. A life in the spirit. If we live and walk there we wont have a lot of time for other interests.
Sabby
10-08-2011, 10:26 AM
Based off of this post I have come to suspect that you and Sarah Palin must be related. Can you see Russia from your house too
:killinme Good one, answers. Like taking a branch and covering your tracks.
Sabby
10-08-2011, 10:32 AM
"Reach over and hug a neighbor... tell um you love them."
Most church is done in a fashion that many women find appealing and but many men find appalling.
Tru dat, Hoov
Amanah
10-08-2011, 11:59 AM
I don't even find hugging people on command appealing, it feels forced and phony to me.
MawMaw
10-08-2011, 12:06 PM
I don't even find hugging people on command appealing, it feels forced and phony to me.
I feel the same as you, about that!
Hoovie
10-08-2011, 12:10 PM
I don't even find hugging people on command appealing, it feels forced and phony to me.
I opt out of pretty much any and all stuff that invades another person's personal space unless they are family.
Timmy
10-08-2011, 03:59 PM
Excellent post!
Thanks! Oh, wait. Did you mean Brad's post? Yeah, that was OK, too. :lol
jfrog
10-09-2011, 12:29 AM
i am going to give my opinion. If your character defines you as a feminine male than per the scripture i think you may be in danger within god's court. God gave definitive characteristics to men and women. You don't have to hunt and fight and spit to be a man. I am a man, i hunt. I like guns. I like nice clothes and i will pay for a good haircut. I will wear pink. I am without a doubt, man. My wife is without a doubt a woman. Naturally, my sexuality is definitive as a man who enjoys women.
With that said, i seen men both in the world and in the church who have characteristics which are questionable. Characteristics which are similar to that of a woman. I would define them as feminine men. Not metrosexual. My concern is not the men in the world but the ones in our churches that we place at the forefront of ministry because talent overrides their character.
If anyone has been around feminine gay men through work or family or other venues, you can be sure that these types of men will approach these feminine "straight" men. Introducing to them perhaps spirits that are unfamiliar. unfamiliar spirits can be overwhelming and perhaps catch these feminine men in a weak spiritual state in which they may give in?
when do we address this issue that men need to act like men? This imo is just as important as any other matter that pertains to salvation.
lololololololololololololololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
Michael The Disciple
10-09-2011, 12:49 AM
Is it masculine to wear pink?
answers
10-09-2011, 01:16 AM
lololololololololololololololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
you'll have to forgive me for taking the long way around a short question... Not sure how PC I should be around here. :heeheehee
answers
10-09-2011, 01:17 AM
I don't know whats funnier, the fact that people think I have an agenda with this topic or the fact that you know people that fit into this category that you think I have agenda against? :) Telling in and of itself, no?
answers
10-09-2011, 01:19 AM
Is it masculine to wear pink?
To some it is not. I think that when it becomes about issues like colors of shirts and clothing that we have a tendency to build straw men.
Like I said previously, feminine or masculine is all defined in ones character.
Timmy
10-09-2011, 09:00 AM
To some it is not. I think that when it becomes about issues like colors of shirts and clothing that we have a tendency to build straw men.
Like I said previously, feminine or masculine is all defined in ones character.
Is that how God sees it? Will He throw guys into hell who wear pink if they don't think wearing pink is masculine, but not the guys who wear pink that think it's masculine?
houston
10-09-2011, 09:21 AM
what about those that are not masc. or fem?
Timmy
10-09-2011, 09:31 AM
what about those that are not masc. or fem?
As long as they're not feminine... sorry, er, effeminate. :thumbsup
Amanah
10-09-2011, 11:09 AM
I thought of this thread while in church this morning.
There was a chubby guy sitting 2 pews in front of me with long hair, bangs that swept to the side and covered one of his eyes.
His hair was dyed with yellow and pink streaks. He kept pulling a brush out and brushing his hair during the song service.
During the preaching he got up, his drawers hung below his butt cheeks to expose black underwear with a saying on them that I was not able to read.
his bottom lip was pierced several times with little hoop earrings.
I had a strong urge to do this :smack but instead I prayed for him :heeheehee
deafdriscoll
10-09-2011, 06:17 PM
I thought of this thread while in church this morning.
There was a chubby guy sitting 2 pews in front of me with long hair, bangs that swept to the side and covered one of his eyes.
His hair was dyed with yellow and pink streaks. He kept pulling a brush out and brushing his hair during the song service.
During the preaching he got up, his drawers hung below his butt cheeks to expose black underwear with a saying on them that I was not able to read.
his bottom lip was pierced several times with little hoop earrings.
I had a strong urge to do this :smack but instead I prayed for him :heeheehee
I am disappointed. Why? He needed somebody to slap him up to get right with Jesus. :happydance
OP_Carl
10-16-2011, 05:44 PM
I am sick and tired of attending these church events and see all these girly men prancing around within the church. Whats even worse is they are generally accompanied by an instrument on the platform? I suspect you must be 20+ years older than the objects of this thread? I see it too, and we avoided fellows like this when I was in school. Now their numbers are growing. We must be careful, because styles change, but some of them might have both the style AND substance.
Where have all the real men gone? Study the Frankfort school. Cultural Marxism and all that. You'll find that the destruction of the American family and the civil compact have both been by design. The long march through the institutions is complete, and cannot be undone overnight, presuming there is the public will to address an as-yet unacknowledged problem.
How feminine is too feminine and when does a guy with an intentional lisp fall under this portion of scripture? When he starts? :dunno Just kidding. Unfortunately this is truly between the individual and God. What is he thinking in his heart is his goal as he adopts these styles?
The effeminate shall not enter the kingdom of God. Those who fear God would do well to study the biological imperatives of men and examine themselves. But frankly we all need to examine ourselves for all sorts of sin, not just sin that grosses other people out or causes them to fear.
Real men accept responsibility, cultivate truthfulness as a way of life, are disciplined, are generous, brave, self-sacrificing. Real men inspire, not command, women to submit to them. Real men are not passive. Real men are self-confident, and regard female efforts to assist their understanding of "real manhood" with suspicion.
Real men strive to conduct themselves with integrity, and recognize that the most important things they will ever build are reputation and trust.
Monarchianism
10-16-2011, 07:04 PM
So it makes one a sissy to sing love songs to Jesus? Try reading the Psalms. Song Of Solomon. John leaned on his breast? Male or female should be loving him with all our heart, soul,mind, and strength!
We are going to be the bride of Christ. And yet we are also SOLDIERS OF CHRIST. So yes I oppose a feminine look and attitude in men tho I have not met many of these.
I see more females with a mannish look where I live here in Southern Ky.
I'm a Southern Kentuckian too!
Michael The Disciple
10-16-2011, 07:23 PM
I'm a Southern Kentuckian too!
Greetings from Somerset!
Monarchianism
10-16-2011, 08:02 PM
Real men regard female efforts to assist their understanding of "real manhood" with suspicion.
With Suspicion?
What for?
Monarchianism
10-16-2011, 08:06 PM
Greetings from Somerset!
:happydance Yeha! We call our home Burkesville.
To those proud of it, some call it Burkesvegas.
Michael The Disciple
10-16-2011, 08:14 PM
:happydance Yeha! We call our home Burkesville.
To those proud of it, some call it Burkesvegas.
A famous Oneness Preacher named William Branham was born around there.
Monarchianism
10-16-2011, 08:17 PM
A famous Oneness Preacher named William Branham was born around there.
I heard.
Wasn't He loony?
RandyWayne
10-16-2011, 08:21 PM
This topic reminds me of this series of commercials. Miller Brewing Company is way ahead of you guys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S6qVg0eGgU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuNuhUnbBpQ&feature=autoplay&list=PLE09C4C1BF0ED07FD&lf=results_main&playnext=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUJ36nFdOyg&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLE09C4C1BF0ED07FD
RandyWayne
10-16-2011, 08:26 PM
And one of my favorite!
Skinny Jeans!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYn993hria0&feature=related
Michael The Disciple
10-16-2011, 10:55 PM
I heard.
Wasn't He loony?
In his days he was considered the priemer Prophet among Oneness and Trinitarian Pentecostalism. I was not there I only can go by what I have read.
answers
10-16-2011, 11:29 PM
I suspect you must be 20+ years older than the objects of this thread? I see it too, and we avoided fellows like this when I was in school. Now their numbers are growing. We must be careful, because styles change, but some of them might have both the style AND substance.
Study the Frankfort school. Cultural Marxism and all that. You'll find that the destruction of the American family and the civil compact have both been by design. The long march through the institutions is complete, and cannot be undone overnight, presuming there is the public will to address an as-yet unacknowledged problem.
When he starts? :dunno Just kidding. Unfortunately this is truly between the individual and God. What is he thinking in his heart is his goal as he adopts these styles?
Those who fear God would do well to study the biological imperatives of men and examine themselves. But frankly we all need to examine ourselves for all sorts of sin, not just sin that grosses other people out or causes them to fear.
Real men accept responsibility, cultivate truthfulness as a way of life, are disciplined, are generous, brave, self-sacrificing. Real men inspire, not command, women to submit to them. Real men are not passive. Real men are self-confident, and regard female efforts to assist their understanding of "real manhood" with suspicion.
Real men strive to conduct themselves with integrity, and recognize that the most important things they will ever build are reputation and trust.
wow, very good.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-17-2011, 08:30 AM
Well, they've all got to be clean shaven, of course. Nothing feminine about the Grizzly Adams look!
OP_Carl
10-17-2011, 07:16 PM
With Suspicion?
What for?
I struggled mightily on the wording of this last one. I think I must have been attempting to make it too brief.
There is a culture war going on, and part of it involves disrupting and/or inverting the natural relationship between the sexes.
Western women cannot help but be steeped in the memes of feminism, and anymore the radical streaks of this movement are no longer hidden in the wings.
Women who do not even consider themselves feminists hold countercultural, unnatural, ungodly views without even realizing it, simply because it is impossible for them to become un-immersed in the culture. 50 years have passed since the 1960s.
Some women opine and advise men on what they should do/say/become to fit the mold of a "real man." I daresay it is rare that these women actually know. (but perhaps not among fundamentalist Christians) Even if they read my post, or other such lists, they wouldn't truly understand. It is hard to understand something that one can never become, and that also scarcely exists anymore.
Of these misguided advisors, I recommended suspicion.
There is a second type of woman, rarer still, who preys upon men who are weak-minded or not confident, and attempts to psychologically manipulate them for their own personal gain.
Of these monstrous tormentors, I now recommend evasive maneuvers.
Nature hates a vacuum, and in the absence of manly, self-confident men who assert authority I think more and more women find themselves tempted to try the second.
Some girls say things carelessly or just for fun, but aren't seriously attempting to persuade psychological changes.
answers
10-17-2011, 10:13 PM
How big of a factor is society in the emasculation of men?
MissBrattified
10-17-2011, 10:38 PM
How big of a factor is society in the emasculation of men?
Infinite, but I would consider the home to play the biggest role...and I would also ask: How big of a factor upon society is the emasculation of men?
answers
10-18-2011, 01:10 AM
Infinite, but I would consider the home to play the biggest role...and I would also ask: How big of a factor upon society is the emasculation of men?
now my mind is blown :faint. This is really a subject I wish more would weigh in on. Perhaps the title of the thread should be, "Where have all the men gone?"
its become such a vicious cycle its hard to tell where it begins and where it ends.
OP_Carl
10-18-2011, 03:53 AM
now my mind is blown :faint. This is really a subject I wish more would weigh in on. Perhaps the title of the thread should be, "Where have all the men gone?"
its become such a vicious cycle its hard to tell where it begins and where it ends.
This topic is covered quite comprehensively, from time to time, on both the American Thinker and Lew Rockwell. The phenomenon is not unique to the church, or the Apostolic church.
It is part and parcel of the design of statists, set in motion decades ago. One aspect is to give women & children an alternative to relying upon a man: relying upon a welfare state. From a certain very utilitarian angle, men appear unnecessary.
Because men are sinners, it hasn't taken very long for men as a whole to begin acting unnecessary. Who wants all that responsibility of raising, training, providing for a family.....????
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