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kclee4jc
10-09-2011, 12:52 PM
I am reading a book right now by Steven Straub, entitled "Changed". It is an excellent presentation of the Post-Tribulation rapture. His website says that he attends Charleston Pentecostal Church in Maine. I looked up the church website and i don't really see any indicators of an Apostolic background. Just wondering if anyone is familiar at all with this church or if anyone knows if it has had any connection to the Oneness movement. Their statement of faith seems pretty trinitarian but Mr. Straub gives an excellent lecture that appears to be of Oneness persuasion when explaining that the "Day of Christ" and the "Day of the LORD" in the scriptures is the same event. He explains very well that Jesus Chris was and is Jehovah incarnate.
houston
10-09-2011, 01:34 PM
would an apostolic church have a concert with matthew west and johnny diaz?
kclee4jc
10-09-2011, 02:12 PM
would an apostolic church have a concert with matthew west and johnny diaz?
aha...doubtful. Just wonderin if they have oneness roots of any kind.
houston
10-09-2011, 02:18 PM
I have no clue. Their beleifs are trinitarian.
canam
10-09-2011, 08:13 PM
They are located just north of bangor me, way out in the country.they are trinny of some sort, Mcgruders played there once ,they used to have a tv program called souls harbor, not sure if they still do, fairly large nice church. none of the pentecostal standards, not sure how they baptize either.
kclee4jc
10-09-2011, 08:24 PM
Just seems odd...maybe i'll type up some exerpts from this book on how Jesus is Jehovah when i get the gumption. A oneness explanation if i ever heard one! His teaching on Post-trib "rapture" is pretty good too. I have never seen the scripture presented in such a way.
Hoovie
10-09-2011, 09:39 PM
Just seems odd...maybe i'll type up some exerpts from this book on how Jesus is Jehovah when i get the gumption. A oneness explanation if i ever heard one! His teaching on Post-trib "rapture" is pretty good too. I have never seen the scripture presented in such a way.
Folks, the assumption that Trinitarians do NOT believe Jesus is Jehovah is a fundamental problem among Oneness Pentecostals.
They deserve at least a cursory reading of their doctrine if we have the gall to condemn or judge them on the same.
Shame on us.
Michael The Disciple
10-09-2011, 10:43 PM
Folks, the assumption that Trinitarians do NOT believe Jesus is Jehovah is a fundamental problem among Oneness Pentecostals.
They deserve at least a cursory reading of their doctrine if we have the gall to condemn or judge them on the same.
Shame on us.
They believe Jesus is one of three Jehovahs. I assume that most Oneness who are well studied know this.
Hoovie
10-09-2011, 10:48 PM
They believe Jesus is one of three Jehovahs. I assume that most Oneness who are well studied know this.
Closer perhaps, but yet again a misrepresentation. Show me a Trinitarian statement of faith that mentions "three Jehovahs" please.
No one is asking OPs to agree with Trinitarians or even say it makes sense. But please don't lie on people to further your own position.
Michael The Disciple
10-10-2011, 12:20 AM
Closer perhaps, but yet again a misrepresentation. Show me a Trinitarian statement of faith that mentions "three Jehovahs" please.
No one is asking OPs to agree with Trinitarians or even say it makes sense. But please don't lie on people to further your own position.
They believe the Father is Jehovah. They believe the Son is Jehovah. They believe the Spirit is Jehovah. They believe there are three distinct persons. I have studied with them many, many times.
kclee4jc
10-10-2011, 06:38 AM
Folks, the assumption that Trinitarians do NOT believe Jesus is Jehovah is a fundamental problem among Oneness Pentecostals.
They deserve at least a cursory reading of their doctrine if we have the gall to condemn or judge them on the same.
Shame on us.
It is hard to know what trinitarians believe about the Godhead, because they differ so much. The pastor at the trinitarian church i attended most of my life emphatically insisted that "Jesus is not GOD!". However, most trinitarians believe that Jesus is at least a part of God. Most would agree that Jesus is GOd manifested in the flesh, yet place little emphasis on teaching that. This man also emphatically preached (concerning baptism) "I would rather listen to Jesus any day than Peter!".
Hoovie
10-11-2011, 09:27 PM
It is hard to know what trinitarians believe about the Godhead, because they differ so much. The pastor at the trinitarian church i attended most of my life emphatically insisted that "Jesus is not GOD!". However, most trinitarians believe that Jesus is at least a part of God. Most would agree that Jesus is GOd manifested in the flesh, yet place little emphasis on teaching that. This man also emphatically preached (concerning baptism) "I would rather listen to Jesus any day than Peter!".
This Trinitarian pastor you refer to... do they have a website? I would love to explore your claim more fully. Not because I think you lie, but because it's easy to overlook details sometimes. If possible please provide a link or at least a quote for the skeptics. :)
Hoovie
10-11-2011, 09:30 PM
They believe the Father is Jehovah. They believe the Son is Jehovah. They believe the Spirit is Jehovah. They believe there are three distinct persons. I have studied with them many, many times.
You and I believe this too right?
Could we even agree there are some distinctions between the three?
Where we primarily part ways with Trinitarians, I think, is in the usage of the term "persons" rather than modes of being.
Jack Shephard
10-11-2011, 09:45 PM
You and I believe this too right?
Could we even agree there are some distinctions between the three?
Where we primarily part ways with Trinitarians, I think, is in the usage of the term "persons" rather than modes of being.
I agree with you here, Hoovie. I think there was a reason that God did what He is in the modes or persons He did them in. I am not surprised that some people wanna split hairs over it because somethings/people never change.
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