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Ev. Duane Williams
10-13-2011, 05:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5h24PPR0Wk
This is a Black Sabbath song about a guy losing his mind, and I rewrote it to glorify the Lord. Whaddya think? About the song and the whole concept of rewriting songs like this(I have more where this one came from)
Truthseeker
10-13-2011, 06:08 PM
worldly indeed.
Jason B
10-13-2011, 07:06 PM
I didn't click the link, but I agree with TS. I think its lame when christians try to christianize secular music. I hate it when I'm listening to "christian radio" and the play some recycled 80s pop song because it has the word love, faith, or pray. For example recently I heard "in the name of love" I think Billy Idol originally sung it another had the line (don't know the title but unfortunately I know 80s pop when I hear it) "if I ever lose my faith in you". Like I said I think its lame, just like "christian" t shirts that are spoofs like "Jesus Christ" in coca cola script with the slogan "he's the real thing." I digress, back to the music.....yeah, borrow songs from the world and at the same time try to convince them we have something they don't and can't live without. Not very credible or convincing IMO.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-13-2011, 07:24 PM
I didn't click the link, but I agree with TS. I think its lame when christians try to christianize secular music. I hate it when I'm listening to "christian radio" and the play some recycled 80s pop song because it has the word love, faith, or pray. For example recently I heard "in the name of love" I think Billy Idol originally sung it another had the line (don't know the title but unfortunately I know 80s pop when I hear it) "if I ever lose my faith in you". Like I said I think its lame, just like "christian" t shirts that are spoofs like "Jesus Christ" in coca cola script with the slogan "he's the real thing." I digress, back to the music.....yeah, borrow songs from the world and at the same time try to convince them we have something they don't and can't live without. Not very credible or convincing IMO.
Just like when David "borrowed" Goliath's own sword to slay him with? A weapon created with the intention of killing God's people, used by the man of God to destroy God's enemies. I've had people become interested in hearing the Gospel because of songs like this, and when they get saved, the devil's own sword has been used against him. I will use whatever I can to reach people. I've never found the self-righteous holier than thou sword to be very effective, but to each his own.
Jason B
10-13-2011, 07:45 PM
Just like when David "borrowed" Goliath's own sword to slay him with?
Oh yeah, just like it, lol.
AncientPaths
10-13-2011, 07:45 PM
Just like when David "borrowed" Goliath's own sword to slay him with? A weapon created with the intention of killing God's people, used by the man of God to destroy God's enemies. I've had people become interested in hearing the Gospel because of songs like this, and when they get saved, the devil's own sword has been used against him. I will use whatever I can to reach people. I've never found the self-righteous holier than thou sword to be very effective, but to each his own.
I don't have a problem with your method. I personally don't like the approach for originality/artistic reasons, but I can't fault you if it works.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-13-2011, 07:50 PM
I don't have a problem with your method. I personally don't like the approach for originality/artistic reasons, but I can't fault you if it works.I have my own originals as well. Much harder to write. These songs are covers that I used to play as part of a hard rock band almost a decade ago. Trust me, when people hear a Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin opening riff, it tends to perk up the ears of those who would immediately turn away from "Blessed Assurance".
Ev. Duane Williams
10-13-2011, 07:53 PM
Oh yeah, just like it, lol.
The self righteous, nose in the air sword is a dull one indeed. lol
What the devil meant for evil(Heavy Metal), God's gonna make it good, turn around, turn around, turn around. Or is that song lame as well?
Dagwood
10-13-2011, 07:59 PM
I didn't click the link, but I agree with TS. I think its lame when christians try to christianize secular music. I hate it when I'm listening to "christian radio" and the play some recycled 80s pop song because it has the word love, faith, or pray. For example recently I heard "in the name of love" I think Billy Idol originally sung it another had the line (don't know the title but unfortunately I know 80s pop when I hear it) "if I ever lose my faith in you". Like I said I think its lame, just like "christian" t shirts that are spoofs like "Jesus Christ" in coca cola script with the slogan "he's the real thing." I digress, back to the music.....yeah, borrow songs from the world and at the same time try to convince them we have something they don't and can't live without. Not very credible or convincing IMO.
I agree with you for the most part. Celine Dione's "Because You Loved Me" has been played here in Dallas for a few years now, though done by someone else. I don't care for it as a "Christian" song, although I do like Celine's played elsewhere.
However, there is one song that struck me so odd in a beautiful way recently. Edwin McCain's "I Could Not Ask For More," popular back in 2000, hit me but with the following lyrical changes: instead of "Lying here with you, listening to the rain," I replaced it with "Standing here with You, lifting up my hands," and kept the same lyrics after that. Another slight change was "These are the moments, I thank God that I'm alive," and I simply put "I thank You that I'm alive." The rest, again, was the same.
Some may not care for that either, but given the fact that I've been in worship services at church where "You Are So Beautiful To Me" was sung accoustically, there was no doubt God's presence was sweet at that moment. I could honestly imagine singing Edwin McCain's song with the slight lyrical changes and sing them to God. I think He'd be pleased considering it wouldn't be sung to anyone else.
Just my thoughts, agree or not... :)
I can relate... somewhat. When an old tune pops into my head and will not leave... I just start singing Christian words to drown out the words of my memory. :)
Dagwood
10-13-2011, 08:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5h24PPR0Wk
This is a Black Sabbath song about a guy losing his mind, and I rewrote it to glorify the Lord. Whaddya think? About the song and the whole concept of rewriting songs like this(I have more where this one came from)
Wow, very interesting! To be honest with you, some may like it while others don't. I can tell you this much: come to Dallas, to the West End or Deep Ellum. It would be a tool of outreach for the crowd that hangs out down there. Again, some may like it, others may not.
Although I've been down there a few times in the past, I'm not a frequent flyer but could see this being played on a street corner there...
Jason B
10-13-2011, 08:17 PM
Just like when David "borrowed" Goliath's own sword to slay him with? A weapon created with the intention of killing God's people, used by the man of God to destroy God's enemies. I've had people become interested in hearing the Gospel because of songs like this, and when they get saved, the devil's own sword has been used against him. I will use whatever I can to reach people. I've never found the self-righteous holier than thou sword to be very effective, but to each his own.
The oh so familiar philosphies of be like the world in order to "relate" or to be "effective". Kind of like Perry Noble in South Carolina singing "highway to hell" in the church service or seeker churches using the Pink Floyd (?) song "money" for offering. Or even using the song "eye of the tiger" or as a prominent former AFF boasted, used Beatles songs in his service and was going to start a series using Nirvana songs. But if one gets brownie points for "relating", well, mission accomplished. Of course, as some say, the church "needs" to use such methods because if we just preach the Word the response is minimal.
The ends justifies the means. Its not that using secular avenues makes sinners more receptive to the gospel. The more you dumb down the offense of the cross and the strong calls for self denial, repentnace, and discipleship (e.g. Luke 9, Luke 14, etc) the more you see sinners adopt the popular philosphy of "Jesus is just all right with me." That reaction however should not be confused with saving faith, as it commonly is in most chuches across America.
But of course we all know that anyone who decries such methods is just a self righteous, holier than thou, irrelavent, sinner hating pharisee.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-13-2011, 08:23 PM
I can relate... somewhat. When an old tune pops into my head and will not leave... I just start singing Christian words to drown out the words of my memory. :)
That's exactly how "Overjoyed" came to me!!! At work, I had "Paranoid" stuck in my head(happens a lot when you were once in a band that played mostly covers at uber decibel levels), and these alternate lyrics came to me without missing a beat in the tune.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-13-2011, 08:33 PM
The oh so familiar philosphies of be like the world in order to "relate" or to be "effective". Kind of like Perry Noble in South Carolina singing "highway to hell" in the church service or seeker churches using the Pink Floyd (?) song "money". Or even using the song "eye of the tiger" or as a prominent former AFF boasted, used Beatles songs in his service and was going to start a series using Nirvana songs. But if one gets brownie points for "relating", well, mission accomplished. Of course, as some say, the church "needs" to use such methods because if we just preach the Word the response is minimal.
The ends justifies the means. Its not that using secular avenues makes sinners more receptive to the gospel. The more you dumb down the offense of the cross and the strong calls for self denial, repentnace, and discipleship (e.g. Luke 9, Luke 14, etc) the more you see sinners adopt the popular philosphy of "Jesus is just all right with me." That reaction however should not be confused with saving faith, as it commonly is in most chuches across America.
But of course we all know that anyone who decries such methods is just a self righteous, holier than thou, irrelavent, sinner hating pharisee.
Preaching the Gospel would be effective, if it were actually done. If most in our camp would spend half the amount of time preaching Jesus to sinners as they do trying to win trinitarians to oneness, one steppers to three step and vice versa, standards to no standards and vice versa, pre trib to mid trib to post trib to partial preterism to full preterism and back again, TV to no TV and vice versa, there would be a steady influx of sinners being saved by the Grace of God, and a lot less Churches bickering and splitting and closing the doors. Jesus ate with sinners. This method was "decried" by the Pharisees, but proved to be more "effective", and to "relate" better than their methods.
Pilgrum
10-13-2011, 08:39 PM
I listened to music like this and all the rest of that era while toking pot, dropping acid, and partying with loose woman. With music like this the lyrics are inconsequential. This is hardcore partying back drop entertainment and you think changing the lyrics will make it wholesome? What so many just don't realize is that the music itself, apart from the lyrics, conjures up emotional and physical reactions. And I'm not just talking off the top of my head. This has been studied and documented. So whether the song has the original lyrics or your "christian lyrics" it doesn't matter. The music produces the same results. So when I listened to the clip, guess what? My mind goes back to the feelings it produced for me 35 years ago. Doesn't cause the slightest bit of worship in me whatever. At least not of Jesus.
Hmm, Black Sabbath and Jesus pair up to win the world.:shocked:
Reminds me of Jesus talking about a corrupt tree not being able bring forth good fruit.
Jason B
10-13-2011, 08:44 PM
Preaching the Gospel would be effective, if it were actually done. If most in our camp would spend half the amount of time preaching Jesus to sinners as they do trying to win trinitarians to oneness, one steppers to three step and vice versa, standards to no standards and vice versa, pre trib to mid trib to post trib to partial preterism to full preterism and back again, TV to no TV and vice versa, there would be a steady influx of sinners being saved by the Grace of God, and a lot less Churches bickering and splitting and closing the doors. Jesus ate with sinners. This method was "decried" by the Pharisees, but proved to be more "effective", and to "relate" better than their methods.
Well since I am guilty of NONE of the things you mentioned above in your rant (in fact I attend a "trinitarian" Bible Church while being oneness in my theology, and believe in justification by faith per soteriology) then I guess I'm most guilty of being sterotyped and pre judged. Funny how those who are sometimes called "Liberals" and boast of how accepting they are, actually quick judge everyone who disagrees with them and don't let the facts get in the way.
Jason B
10-13-2011, 08:47 PM
Hmm, Black Sabbath and Jesus pair up to win the world.:shocked:
Reminds me of Jesus talking about a corrupt tree not being able bring forth good fruit.
Pharisee
J/k
Dagwood
10-13-2011, 08:47 PM
I listened to music like this and all the rest of that era while toking pot, dropping acid, and partying with loose woman. With music like this the lyrics are inconsequential. This is hardcore partying back drop entertainment and you think changing the lyrics will make it wholesome? What so many just don't realize is that the music itself, apart from the lyrics, conjures up emotional and physical reactions. And I'm not just talking off the top of my head. This has been studied and documented. So whether the song has the original lyrics or your "christian lyrics" it doesn't matter. The music produces the same results. So when I listened to the clip, guess what? My mind goes back to the feelings it produced for me 35 years ago. Doesn't cause the slightest bit of worship in me whatever. At least not of Jesus.
Hmm, Black Sabbath and Jesus pair up to win the world.:shocked:
Reminds me of Jesus talking about a corrupt tree not being able bring forth good fruit.
For those people with similar beliefs, I would never exepect them to venture back to what they used to listen to given the environment the songs were heard in. However, since I'm not in the same camp, for me it would be as sweet as singing a traditional Christian song.
When in doubt, don't do it, especially if it brings up memories of times in one's life they'd rather forget...
Pilgrum
10-13-2011, 09:26 PM
For those people with similar beliefs, I would never exepect them to venture back to what they used to listen to given the environment the songs were heard in. However, since I'm not in the same camp, for me it would be as sweet as singing a traditional Christian song.
When in doubt, don't do it, especially if it brings up memories of times in one's life they'd rather forget...
Black Sabbath and sweet just don't go together.
RandyWayne
10-13-2011, 09:41 PM
Just like when David "borrowed" Goliath's own sword to slay him with? A weapon created with the intention of killing God's people, used by the man of God to destroy God's enemies. I've had people become interested in hearing the Gospel because of songs like this, and when they get saved, the devil's own sword has been used against him. I will use whatever I can to reach people. I've never found the self-righteous holier than thou sword to be very effective, but to each his own.
I find nothing "wrong" with it. The problem is that it always seems to cheapen things. Just like when someone tries to make a healthy version of a classic meal, it is almost always horrible! Yet, I have eaten some incredibly delicious dishes that just happened to be vegan, quite by accident! Don't try to emulate, try to create!
Get away from the boring Hillsong guitar strumming music.... Make your own!!
Arphaxad
10-13-2011, 10:21 PM
When I was a metalhead back in the day I would have laughed and said "Stupid Christians, how dare they blaspheme Black sabbath, STONE THEM!!!!!!!!!" But it would have got me thinking about Jesus. There was a sabbath song, "After Forever" and a Metallica song "creeping death" that got me thinking about God and the Bible. The sad thing was noone came around trying to reach me except the JW, LDS, and scientologists.
:doggyrun
Truthseeker
10-14-2011, 04:33 AM
Stuff like this is just not completely letting go of past worldly life stye. A duck in a suit s still a duck.
Dagwood
10-14-2011, 07:20 AM
Stuff like this is just not completely letting go of past worldly life stye. A duck in a suit s still a duck.
And a sheep is still a sheep, even if a wolf is dressed in its skin, right?
Timmy
10-14-2011, 08:39 AM
Anyone know which came first? "If You're Saved And You Know It" or "If You're Happy And You Know It"?
RandyWayne
10-14-2011, 08:57 AM
Anyone know which came first? "If You're Saved And You Know It" or "If You're Happy And You Know It"?
Or an even greater mystery: Is it "What Child is This?" or is it "Greensleeves"?
Actually I just looked it up. "....a popular Christmas carol written in 1865 by William Chatterton Dix, set to the "Greensleeves" tune."
RandyWayne
10-14-2011, 09:03 AM
There is also some gospel version of the song It's Now or Never, first sung by Elvis and later by actor John Schneider. What is funny is that we had a fairly UC pastor who used to sing it and probably had know idea of the musics origins since he was a HUGE proponent of not doing something if it was too much like something else we shouldn't do, sometimes going 3 or more levels deep!
mfblume
10-14-2011, 09:04 AM
Talk about rewriting lyrics! These guys are pros at it:
APOLOGETIX.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uwm6EQ-waE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5TNirKjhJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jow6XTwRs5g
RandyWayne
10-14-2011, 09:12 AM
"Devil Went Down to Jordan" is the definition of why good songs should be allowed to stand on their own and not be "Christianized".
The devil has, and always will, go to Georgia!
mfblume
10-14-2011, 09:14 AM
"Devil Went Down to Jordan" is the definition of why good songs should be allowed to stand on their own and not be "Christianized".
The devil has, and always will, go to Georgia!
lol.
These guys also redid Bohemian Rhapsody, calling it Bethlehem Rhapsody -- David fighting Goliath.
MOE THAN A HEALING from More than a Feeling. lol
RandyWayne
10-14-2011, 09:15 AM
lol.
These guys also redid Bohemian Rhapsody, calling it Bethlehem Rhapsody -- David fighting Goliath.
MOE THAN A HEALING from More than a Feeling. lol
Have to admit, they are very good at it.
mfblume
10-14-2011, 09:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKbCzba31TE
They really did this well.
Timmy
10-14-2011, 09:20 AM
Or an even greater mystery: Is it "What Child is This?" or is it "Greensleeves"?
Actually I just looked it up. "....a popular Christmas carol written in 1865 by William Chatterton Dix, set to the "Greensleeves" tune."
So Ev Duane is carrying on an old tradition! :)
mfblume
10-14-2011, 09:27 AM
Stuff like this is just not completely letting go of past worldly life stye. A duck in a suit s still a duck.
Still a little legalistic, huh? Ironically many believers begin coming out of pharisaism but still hold some ways from that. Nothing wrong with music unless it incites violence.
JMHO :thumbsup
Truthseeker
10-14-2011, 10:41 AM
Still a little legalistic, huh? Ironically many believers begin coming out of pharisaism but still hold some ways from that. Nothing wrong with music unless it incites violence.
JMHO :thumbsup
More to worldliness then heavy metal for sure.
mfblume
10-14-2011, 10:43 AM
More to worldliness then heavy metal for sure.
What is worldliness? A nice melody with wonderful chord progressions and some minors? A lot of talk about worldliness is nonsense. Paul said that true worldliness is THINKING the way the world thinks. Col 2 says we are supposed to be dead to the world and then asks why christians are focused on what they cannot touch, taste and handle. THAT is true worldliness. Being NOT OF THE WORLD means we focus on the things listed in Col 3 -- forgiveness, forbearance, love for one another, etc.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-14-2011, 03:29 PM
I listened to music like this and all the rest of that era while toking pot, dropping acid, and partying with loose woman. With music like this the lyrics are inconsequential. This is hardcore partying back drop entertainment and you think changing the lyrics will make it wholesome? What so many just don't realize is that the music itself, apart from the lyrics, conjures up emotional and physical reactions. And I'm not just talking off the top of my head. This has been studied and documented. So whether the song has the original lyrics or your "christian lyrics" it doesn't matter. The music produces the same results. So when I listened to the clip, guess what? My mind goes back to the feelings it produced for me 35 years ago. Doesn't cause the slightest bit of worship in me whatever. At least not of Jesus.
Hmm, Black Sabbath and Jesus pair up to win the world.:shocked:
Reminds me of Jesus talking about a corrupt tree not being able bring forth good fruit.
If just the style of this music takes you back to the acid dropping pot tokin loose women days then I think that is more a reflection of your own nostalgia and not letting go of the past than it is of some "evil chord progressions and unclean distortion" in the music.
A lot of Sothern Gospel is modeled after country and western music, and it always gets a free pass. Country music is often more vile than heavy metal, especially in the fact that it openly mocks Christian themes. Pre-marital fornication and adultery are referred to as "salvation", "the promised land", and "heaven" in many country songs. Just listen to the song "Heaven's Just a Sin Away"(disturbingly perfomed by a father/daughter duet), and imagine Christian lyrics to the tune. You're listening to a good ol' time gospel hymn, aren't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJWfM7dS5-M
This song would really be evil with a distorted guitar playing an Am G F Em progression wouldn't it?
Ev. Duane Williams
10-14-2011, 03:48 PM
Well since I am guilty of NONE of the things you mentioned above in your rant (in fact I attend a "trinitarian" Bible Church while being oneness in my theology, and believe in justification by faith per soteriology) then I guess I'm most guilty of being sterotyped and pre judged. Funny how those who are sometimes called "Liberals" and boast of how accepting they are, actually quick judge everyone who disagrees with them and don't let the facts get in the way.
NONE of these things? You never try to convince anyone of your views? Justification by faith? Don't you ever try to set those "works" people straight? Be honest. I'm far from a liberal(I defended Lee Stoneking against Dan Alicea on the HMH thing). Now who's stereotyping and prejudging?
Sherri
10-14-2011, 03:55 PM
I don't think there's anything "wrong" with taking a secular song and making it Christian by changing the words. We have done it over the years with several songs, even back at JCM days. But I don't think you should ever take one that originally had profanity in it - it would always pop back into people's minds when they sing it. Also, I would probably not use anything from Black Sabbath or any really hard demonic groups, just because of the feelings from their music. People who were saved and left that music behind might have a hard time hearing it in church - it might bring back too many bad images and feelings.
We have "redeemed" these songs among others:
Rollin' on the River
Takin' it to the Streets
You Are the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me
Ev. Duane Williams
10-14-2011, 04:05 PM
I don't think there's anything "wrong" with taking a secular song and making it Christian by changing the words. We have done it over the years with several songs, even back at JCM days. But I don't think you should ever take one that originally had profanity in it - it would always pop back into people's minds when they sing it. Also, I would probably not use anything from Black Sabbath or any really hard demonic groups, just because of the feelings from their music. People who were saved and left that music behind might have a hard time hearing it in church - it might bring back too many bad images and feelings.
We have "redeemed" these songs among others:
Rollin' on the River
Takin' it to the Streets
You Are the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me
There was no profanity in the original. What makes a group hard and demonic? Wouldn't you agree the song in this video is demonic in that it mocks salvation and calls adultery "heaven"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJWfM7dS5-M
I believe this song to be much more demonic than a song about a guy with a mental illness, JMHO.
Sherri
10-14-2011, 04:09 PM
There was no profanity in the original. What makes a group hard and demonic? Wouldn't you agree the song in this video is demonic in that it mocks salvation and calls adultery "heaven"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJWfM7dS5-M
I believe this song to be much more demonic than a song about a guy with a mental illness, JMHO.Yeah, sorry, I wasn't talking about the particular song you posted. Just in general - no profanity.
I think heavy metal groups like Black Sabbath were very demonic. I remember one old album of theirs when I was in high school that had a virgin being sacrificed on the altar. Ugh! I hated all that kind of music.
Timmy
10-14-2011, 04:10 PM
Yeah, sorry, I wasn't talking about the particular song you posted. Just in general - no profanity.
I think heavy metal groups like Black Sabbath were very demonic. I remember one old album of theirs when I was in high school that had a virgin being sacrificed on the altar. Ugh! I hated all that kind of music.
Oh, don't even get me started about human sacrifice! :lol
Sherri
10-14-2011, 04:12 PM
Oh, don't even get me started about human sacrifice! :lolOops - wrong thread!:happydance
Ev. Duane Williams
10-14-2011, 04:20 PM
Yeah, sorry, I wasn't talking about the particular song you posted. Just in general - no profanity.
I think heavy metal groups like Black Sabbath were very demonic. I remember one old album of theirs when I was in high school that had a virgin being sacrificed on the altar. Ugh! I hated all that kind of music.
Yes, and I believe that was post-Ozzy Sabbath, which I don't care for and couldn't sing if I tried anyway. But Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. I think he probably had much more to do with "Heaven's Just a Sin Away" than "Paranoid". Most Heavy Metal musicians were just "posers" as far as their "demonic" connections go. Ozzy Osbourne told a story in an interview that he and the rest of Black Sabbath went to see The Exorcist when it was released in 1973. When they got back to the hotel, all four of these members of the most evil, scariest band on the planet all huddled together in one hotel room, scared out of their wits! And that was just Hollywood's version of real demonic power. I don't think they could handle an encounter with the real thing.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-14-2011, 04:27 PM
And I have redeemed Led Zeppelin's Rock and Roll as well. A good friend of mine has rewritten:
Joe Walsh-Rocky Mountain Way=Livin' the Jesus Way
Billy Ray Cyrus-Achy Breaky Heart=Let Jesus in Your Heart
Hank Williams Jr.-Whiskey Bent and Hell Bound=Holy Ghost Filled and Heaven Bound
Timmy
10-14-2011, 04:39 PM
Oops - wrong thread!:happydance
:lol
Timmy
10-14-2011, 04:42 PM
And I have redeemed Led Zeppelin's Rock and Roll as well. A good friend of mine has rewritten:
Joe Walsh-Rocky Mountain Way=Livin' the Jesus Way
Billy Ray Cyrus-Achy Breaky Heart=Let Jesus in Your Heart
Hank Williams Jr.-Whiskey Bent and Hell Bound=Holy Ghost Filled and Heaven Bound
Do you take requests?
Guns N Roses, "Welcome to the Jungle"! :)
Jason B
10-14-2011, 06:18 PM
And I have redeemed Led Zeppelin's Rock and Roll as well. A good friend of mine has rewritten:
Joe Walsh-Rocky Mountain Way=Livin' the Jesus Way
Billy Ray Cyrus-Achy Breaky Heart=Let Jesus in Your Heart
Hank Williams Jr.-Whiskey Bent and Hell Bound=Holy Ghost Filled and Heaven Bound
When Amazing Grace just isn't good enough, crank up the old achy breaky christianity to get the "spirit" movin'.
AncientPaths
10-14-2011, 07:13 PM
Do you take requests?
Guns N Roses, "Welcome to the Jungle"! :)
You know where you are?! You in the spirit, baby. You gonna LIVE FOREVER. Ohhhhhhhhh....
houston
10-14-2011, 07:29 PM
Paradise city-GNR
Living on a prayer- Bon Jovi
Jason B
10-14-2011, 07:58 PM
Paradise city-GNR
Living on a prayer- Bon Jovi
I heard/read about a church actually using this song in service.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
Do you take requests?
Guns N Roses, "Welcome to the Jungle"! :)
That would be more of an AFF theme song!
Ev. Duane Williams
10-14-2011, 08:26 PM
When Amazing Grace just isn't good enough, crank up the old achy breaky christianity to get the "spirit" movin'.
Amazing Grace the song or Amazing Grace in general? The Grace of God will always be good enough, but why must we be stuck with songs written in the 1800's? Is it a sin to play songs in a new style, and if so, when did it become one, after the abolition of slavery?
Then again, if the ol' time hymns and the KJV were good enough for the Apostles, they should be good enough for us right?
Arphaxad
10-14-2011, 08:49 PM
Yes, and I believe that was post-Ozzy Sabbath, which I don't care for and couldn't sing if I tried anyway. But Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. I think he probably had much more to do with "Heaven's Just a Sin Away" than "Paranoid". Most Heavy Metal musicians were just "posers" as far as their "demonic" connections go. Ozzy Osbourne told a story in an interview that he and the rest of Black Sabbath went to see The Exorcist when it was released in 1973. When they got back to the hotel, all four of these members of the most evil, scariest band on the planet all huddled together in one hotel room, scared out of their wits! And that was just Hollywood's version of real demonic power. I don't think they could handle an encounter with the real thing.
yep, most of those "satanic" bands that the PMRC went after were just a bunch of sissy posers that got their image from the record label executives who made more money than those bands ever did.
Norwegian black metal, on the other hand, that's the real deal. That stuff is scary.
:doggyrun
RandyWayne
10-15-2011, 10:39 AM
Yes, and I believe that was post-Ozzy Sabbath, which I don't care for and couldn't sing if I tried anyway. But Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. I think he probably had much more to do with "Heaven's Just a Sin Away" than "Paranoid". Most Heavy Metal musicians were just "posers" as far as their "demonic" connections go. Ozzy Osbourne told a story in an interview that he and the rest of Black Sabbath went to see The Exorcist when it was released in 1973. When they got back to the hotel, all four of these members of the most evil, scariest band on the planet all huddled together in one hotel room, scared out of their wits! And that was just Hollywood's version of real demonic power. I don't think they could handle an encounter with the real thing.
There was a hilarious episode of Celebrity Ghost Stories which had a segment focusing on Alice Cooper and his experiences at an abandoned Summer camp by a lake (of all places!) when he was staying there to get away after drug rehab in the mid to early 80's. Alice was definitely all show, even during his "darkest" years, so the real thing did freak him out like a 10 year old school girl. You have to hear him tell the story for full effect.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-15-2011, 01:15 PM
Do you take requests?
Guns N Roses, "Welcome to the Jungle"! :)
Okay here goes "Welcome to the Jungle" rewritten as an AFF theme song:
Welcome to the jungle,
Discussion is our aim,
You can say anything you want 'cause you don't have to post your name.
We are the people who condemn,
whatever you believe,
three step, one step, independents and the UPC
In the jungle welcome to the jungle.........
It's a work in progress.
Narrow Is The Way
10-15-2011, 07:58 PM
Just like when David "borrowed" Goliath's own sword to slay him with? A weapon created with the intention of killing God's people, used by the man of God to destroy God's enemies. I've had people become interested in hearing the Gospel because of songs like this, and when they get saved, the devil's own sword has been used against him. I will use whatever I can to reach people. I've never found the self-righteous holier than thou sword to be very effective, but to each his own.
This is one of the dumbest comparisons I have ever heard.
You aren't scaring the devil one bit.
Ok, lets take everything the world does and do it our way to reach the lost.
Let's bottle up some pepsi in an alcohol bottle and pretend like we drink so somebody can be saved.
Get back to the Old Paths buddy. Learn how to pray and fast and you won't need the worlds songs to validate your ministry.
Sing a song about the Blood of Jesus. Get yourself a songbook and sing a real song, not something copied from some pot smoking homosexual, mixed with a little bit of Jesus to make him happy.
Narrow Is The Way
10-15-2011, 08:04 PM
Okay here goes "Welcome to the Jungle" rewritten as an AFF theme song:
Welcome to the jungle,
Discussion is our aim,
You can say anything you want 'cause you don't have to post your name.
We are the people who condemn,
whatever you believe,
three step, one step, independents and the UPC
In the jungle welcome to the jungle.........
It's a work in progress.
How do you even know what these songs sound like??
Do you listen to worldly music?
What a shame.
Arphaxad
10-15-2011, 08:35 PM
How do you even know what these songs sound like??
Do you listen to worldly music?
What a shame.
These are old songs , not everyone has been in church their whole life.
:doggyrun
RandyWayne
10-15-2011, 09:49 PM
This is one of the dumbest comparisons I have ever heard.
You aren't scaring the devil one bit.
Ok, lets take everything the world does and do it our way to reach the lost.
Let's bottle up some pepsi in an alcohol bottle and pretend like we drink so somebody can be saved.
Get back to the Old Paths buddy. Learn how to pray and fast and you won't need the worlds songs to validate your ministry.
Sing a song about the Blood of Jesus. Get yourself a songbook and sing a real song, not something copied from some pot smoking homosexual, mixed with a little bit of Jesus to make him happy.
So, aside from the lyrics, what makes a song worldly?
(And I didn't know that any of the members of Guns and Roses were gay. If you know something I don't please provide references.)
berkeley
10-16-2011, 12:33 AM
So, aside from the lyrics, what makes a song worldly?
(And I didn't know that any of the members of Guns and Roses were gay. If you know something I don't please provide references.)
Maybe he was a groupie.
RandyWayne
10-16-2011, 12:36 AM
Maybe he was a groupie.
Or just secretly wishes he had all the women they had at the time.
AncientPaths
10-16-2011, 07:45 AM
Maybe he was a groupie.
Hahahahahahaha.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-16-2011, 09:50 AM
This is one of the dumbest comparisons I have ever heard.
Really? Because it came from God. I was praying and fasting and asking God if I should stop playing this style of music, and He immediately showed me a vision of David taking Goliath's sword from his sheath and beheading him with it. I was very much in the Spirit and the message was absolutely clear. USE THE DEVIL"S OWN WEAPON AGAINST HIM!
You aren't scaring the devil one bit.
You're really not scared? Or are you just bluffing as usual?
Ok, lets take everything the world does and do it our way to reach the lost.Let's bottle up some pepsi in an alcohol bottle and pretend like we drink so somebody can be saved.
No, David didn't use an idol of Dagon to beat Goliath over the head with it, nor did he use one of the Philistines profane pig sacrifices, just the sword.
Get back to the Old Paths buddy.
Like putting Christian lyrics to old Pagan Celtic folk tunes? Because that's how just about all the "ol time hymns" were written
Learn how to pray and fast and you won't need the worlds songs to validate your ministry.
I guess I'll shove the publican out of the way and ask the Pharisee in the Temple about how to do that.
Sing a song about the Blood of Jesus.
Okay:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alm45RFdkfc
Get yourself a songbook and sing a real song,
you mean like the one in this video, or is it worldly because it has its roots in the old plantation black slave music style, rather than the Celtic folk music of white Pagans?
not something copied from some pot smoking homosexual, mixed with a little bit of Jesus to make him happy.
What berkeley said.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-16-2011, 09:56 AM
How do you even know what these songs sound like??
Do you listen to worldly music?
What a shame.
I spent years in a hard rock band, doing any drug I could get my hands on, living the rock and roll lifestyle, before Jesus saved my soul and told me "Go and sin no more".
Not all of us have been in Church our entire lives, and it's been my experience that most of us who have, aren't much good to anyone else, sinner or saint alike. If you've been in "The Way" your entire life, you've most likely been in the way your entire life
Truthseeker
10-16-2011, 10:01 AM
I think we can discuss worldly music being rewrited but still worldly music without attacking each other. :)
Jason B
10-16-2011, 01:47 PM
Really? Because it came from God.
This is an example of everything that's wrong with pentecostal doctrine as a whole. Anytime someones preference contradicts the Word of God they claim God told them/showed them/revealed to them....
I have serious doubts that your position came from the same God who in His Holy Word spoke of seperation from the world, warned of friendship with the world, strage fire,etc.
But we should accept your views basically because "God told me."
That is how cults start.
Jason B
10-16-2011, 01:58 PM
Not all of us have been in Church our entire lives, and it's been my experience that most of us who have, aren't much good to anyone else, sinner or saint alike. If you've been in "The Way" your entire life, you've most likely been in the way your entire life
You make a statement like this while calling others pharisees and judgmental.
I'm thinking Evangeslist Williams and Benincasa should do a crusade together, despite theological difference both are none the less recklessly aggressive against all dissenters.
Silly me, I thought evangelists were for the building up of the body, not tearing down.
berkeley
10-16-2011, 02:17 PM
How'd Benincasa get dragged into this?
Jason B
10-16-2011, 02:31 PM
How'd Benincasa get dragged into this?
His AFF reputation as "the bulldog".
berkeley
10-16-2011, 02:41 PM
Oh please..
Narrow Is The Way
10-16-2011, 04:18 PM
Really? Because it came from God. I was praying and fasting and asking God if I should stop playing this style of music, and He immediately showed me a vision of David taking Goliath's sword from his sheath and beheading him with it. I was very much in the Spirit and the message was absolutely clear. USE THE DEVIL"S OWN WEAPON AGAINST HIM!
You're really not scared? Or are you just bluffing as usual?
No, David didn't use an idol of Dagon to beat Goliath over the head with it, nor did he use one of the Philistines profane pig sacrifices, just the sword.
Like putting Christian lyrics to old Pagan Celtic folk tunes? Because that's how just about all the "ol time hymns" were written
I guess I'll shove the publican out of the way and ask the Pharisee in the Temple about how to do that.
Okay:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alm45RFdkfc
,
you mean like the one in this video, or is it worldly because it has its roots in the old plantation black slave music style, rather than the Celtic folk music of white Pagans?
What berkeley said.
Exactly. You have just made my point. Quit trying to beat the devil over the head while using the worlds idols and their songs as your so-called weapon. He isn't afraid. He's laughing at you.
Narrow Is The Way
10-16-2011, 04:20 PM
These are old songs , not everyone has been in church their whole life.
:doggyrun
Oh i see. It's only ok if it is a song you use to listen to.
Cindy
10-16-2011, 05:00 PM
Lady Gag, I mean GaGa used the word Jesus in one of her songs. I guess that means it's a christian song.
RandyWayne
10-16-2011, 05:12 PM
Lady Gag, I mean GaGa used the word Jesus in one of her songs. I guess that means it's a christian song.
It is ironic that the word "lady" is used in conjunction with "Gaga". "Madam" may be more appropriate, or perhaps "Mistress", but NOT "lady".
Arphaxad
10-16-2011, 06:24 PM
Oh i see. It's only ok if it is a song you use to listen to.
haha, you see nothing. You make a claim that anyone that knows these types of songs must still be listening to them. I said they are old songs and not everyone has been in church their whole life, meaning that people listened to these songs before they were saved. I used to listen to way more evil music than these, and unfortunantly can still remember every lyric and note and melody, that happens when you lived that lifestyle and heard that kind of stuff thousands and thousands of times and didn't get saved until late in life(40 when I was). I don't listen to that stuff anymore and through out all my old cd's and records and stuff, but sometimes some of those old songs will pop into my head.
anyways if he's bringing Christ to people with that method who am I to say it's wrong. Didn't Paul say something about as long as Christ is preached we should rejoice?
But really, I think you should loosen your tie, you're depriving your brain of oxygen.
:doggyrun
Ev. Duane Williams
10-16-2011, 06:39 PM
This is an example of everything that's wrong with pentecostal doctrine as a whole. Anytime someones preference contradicts the Word of God they claim God told them/showed them/revealed to them....
I have serious doubts that your position came from the same God who in His Holy Word spoke of seperation from the world, warned of friendship with the world, strage fire,etc.
But we should accept your views basically because "God told me."
That is how cults start.
I don't have any doubts that God answered my question with this analogy. The entire Bible was written by men who said "God told me."
Almost all of your ol' time hymns are lyrics set to tunes originating from Celtic pagan folk music, so even they originated as "worldly" songs. If your position on this were to be true, we should scrap all of our worship songs that aren't set in the ancient Israelites' harmonic minor chords, scales, and progressions. Our music would sound very exotic(I love that scale), and my guess is those of your persuasion would insist it's "of the debbil!" Get back to the Old Paths, as in Druid sun-worshipping scales and chords like most old hymns are set to, right?
Ev. Duane Williams
10-16-2011, 06:42 PM
Exactly. You have just made my point. Quit trying to beat the devil over the head while using the worlds idols and their songs as your so-called weapon. He isn't afraid. He's laughing at you.
You seem to know a lot about the Devil. Do you have him on speed dial so you can ask him if he's afraid or if he laughing?
Arphaxad
10-16-2011, 06:49 PM
I don't have any doubts that God answered my question with this analogy. The entire Bible was written by men who said "God told me."
Almost all of your ol' time hymns are lyrics set to tunes originating from Celtic pagan folk music, so even they originated as "worldly" songs. If your position on this were to be true, we should scrap all of our worship songs that aren't set in the ancient Israelites' harmonic minor chords, scales, and progressions. Our music would sound very exotic(I love that scale), and my guess is those of your persuasion would insist it's "of the debbil!" Get back to the Old Paths, as in Druid sun-worshipping scales and chords like most old hymns are set to, right?
I think that at one time there were certain scales or chords that were considered "of the devil" that composers were forbidden to use.
Than came guys like Paganini that were obviously "demon possessed".haha
:doggyrun
Cindy
10-16-2011, 08:03 PM
It is ironic that the word "lady" is used in conjunction with "Gaga". "Madam" may be more appropriate, or perhaps "Mistress", but NOT "lady".
Exactly, and that is why I use the term "Gag" instead of "Gaga". UGH But, she needs Jesus.
Jason B
10-16-2011, 08:17 PM
"The church does most for the world when it is least like the world."~G. Campbell Morgan
"Today, many churches have the idea they must imitate the world in order to reach the world. And they are wrong!"~Warren Wiesrbe
"The contextulization of the gospel today has infected the church with the spirit of the age. It has opened the church's doors wide open for worldiness, shallowness, and in some cases a crass, party atmosphere. The world now sets the agenda for the church. Those who want to replace preaching with drama, music, and subtler means would do well to consider this: God PURPOSEFULLY chose a message and methodology which the world's wisdom counts as foolishness."
~John MacArthur
"The fact is many would like to unite the church and stage."~Charles Spurgeon
But perhaps my sentiments are best expressed in this thought:
"No signs can be more alarming than the growing infidelity and worldliness which I see among those who call themselves Christians."~Charles Spurgeon
WHAT A BUNCH OF PHARISEES. These guys would never survive on AFF.
Jason B
10-16-2011, 08:20 PM
I don't have any doubts that God answered my question with this analogy. The entire Bible was written by men who said "God told me."
So you put your private revelation on par with inspired scripture?
Ev. Duane Williams
10-16-2011, 08:27 PM
"The church does most for the world when it is least like the world."~G. Campbell Morgan
"Today, many churches have the idea they must imitate the world in order to reach the world. And they are wrong!"~Warren Wiesrbe
"The contextulization of the gospel today has infected the church with the spirit of the age. It has opened the church's doors wide open for worldiness, shallowness, and in some cases a crass, party atmosphere. The world now sets the agenda for the church. Those who want to replace preaching with drama, music, and subtler means would do well to consider this: God PURPOSEFULLY chose a message and methodology which the world's wisdom counts as foolishness."
~John MacArthur
"The fact is many would like to unite the church and stage."~Charles Spurgeon
But perhaps my sentiments are best expressed in this thought:
"No signs can be more alarming than the growing infidelity and worldliness which I see among those who call themselves Christians."~Charles Spurgeon
WHAT A BUNCH OF PHARISEES. These guys would never survive on AFF.
Actually WHAT A BUNCH OF CALVINIST ANTI-APOSTOLICS would be a better description of the men you quoted, so they would be welcome with slobbering flattery on AFF.
Now let me quote another well known preacher.
"1 Cor 9:19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
Ev. Duane Williams
10-16-2011, 08:33 PM
So you put your private revelation on par with inspired scripture?
No, but I believe what He showed me. After fasting and praying and crying and searching the Scriptures and seeking His Face on this issue, am I supposed to reject the answer I received because you "seriously doubt" it?
No God, you have to give me an answer that Jason agrees with!
Jason B
10-16-2011, 09:42 PM
Actually WHAT A BUNCH OF CALVINIST ANTI-APOSTOLICS would be a better description of the men you quoted, so they would be welcome with slobbering flattery on AFF.
Now let me quote another well known preacher.
"1 Cor 9:19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
What a ravishing of the scripture, straight from the men who have made contextualization and pragmatism "all the rage" in the church.
Jason B
10-16-2011, 09:46 PM
No, but I believe what He showed me. After fasting and praying and crying and searching the Scriptures and seeking His Face on this issue, am I supposed to reject the answer I received because you "seriously doubt" it?
No God, you have to give me an answer that Jason agrees with!
So you fasted, prayed, and weeped AND searched the sctiprues (as though they weren't plain enough) to see if it was okay to lift Black Sabbath music and use it to promote the gospel? Isn't that kind of like Baalam not getting the answer he wanted for Balak and continuing to "inquire" of the Lord, until finally in a round about way his flesh was satisfied with the result?
Just askin'
Jason B
10-16-2011, 09:50 PM
The oh so familiar philosphies of be like the world in order to "relate" or to be "effective". Kind of like Perry Noble in South Carolina singing "highway to hell" in the church service or seeker churches using the Pink Floyd (?) song "money" for offering. Or even using the song "eye of the tiger" or as a prominent former AFF boasted, used Beatles songs in his service and was going to start a series using Nirvana songs. But if one gets brownie points for "relating", well, mission accomplished. Of course, as some say, the church "needs" to use such methods because if we just preach the Word the response is minimal.
The ends justifies the means. Its not that using secular avenues makes sinners more receptive to the gospel. The more you dumb down the offense of the cross and the strong calls for self denial, repentnace, and discipleship (e.g. Luke 9, Luke 14, etc) the more you see sinners adopt the popular philosphy of "Jesus is just all right with me." That reaction however should not be confused with saving faith, as it commonly is in most chuches across America.
But of course we all know that anyone who decries such methods is just a self righteous, holier than thou, irrelavent, sinner hating pharisee.
BUMP
Truthseeker
10-16-2011, 10:03 PM
Bang your head. Yeah yeah bang your head for the lord. Yeah yeah, bang Your head!
My new heavy metal alter call song. ;)
Jason B
10-16-2011, 10:04 PM
Actually WHAT A BUNCH OF CALVINIST ANTI-APOSTOLICS would be a better description of the men you quoted, so they would be welcome with slobbering flattery on AFF.
Now let me quote another well known preacher.
"1 Cor 9:19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
Some more "calvinist anti apostolic" drivel (if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger?)
All Things to All Men
Friday, September 02, 2011
by John MacArthur
The notion that the church must become like the world to win the world has taken evangelicalism by storm. Virtually every modern worldly attraction has a “Christian” counterpart. We have Christian motorcycle gangs, Christian bodybuilding teams, Christian dance clubs, Christian amusement parks, and I even read about a Christian nudist colony.
Where did Christians ever get the idea we could win the world by imitating it? Is there a shred of biblical justification for that kind of thinking? Many church marketing specialists affirm that there is, and they have convinced a myriad of pastors. Ironically, they usually cite the apostle Paul as someone who advocated adapting the gospel to the tastes of the audience. One has written, “Paul provided what I feel is perhaps the single most insightful perspective on marketing communications, the principle we call contextualization (1 Corinthians 9:19–23). Paul … was willing to shape his communications according to their needs in order to receive the response he sought.” “The first marketeer was Paul,” another echoes.
After all, the apostle did write, “I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. And I do all things for the sake of the gospel, that I may become a fellow partaker of it” (1 Cor. 9:22, 23). Is that a mandate for pragmatism in ministry? Was the apostle Paul suggesting that the gospel message can be made to appeal to people by accommodating their relish for certain amusements or by pampering their pet vices? How far do you suppose he would have been willing to go with the principle of “contextualization”?
The Great Non-Negotiable
This much is very clear: the apostle Paul was no people-pleaser. He wrote, “Am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ” (Gal. 1:10). Paul did not amend or abridge his message to make people happy. He was utterly unwilling to try to remove the offense from the gospel (Gal. 5:11). He did not use methodology that catered to the lusts of his listeners. He certainly did not follow the pragmatic philosophy of modern market-driven ministers.
What made Paul effective was not marketing savvy, but a stubborn devotion to the truth. He was Christ’s ambassador, not His press secretary. Truth was something to be declared, not negotiated. Paul was not ashamed of the gospel (Rom. 1:16). He willingly suffered for the truth’s sake (2 Cor. 11:23–28). He did not back down in the face of opposition or rejection. He did not compromise with unbelievers or make friends with the enemies of God.
Paul’s message was always non-negotiable. In the same chapter where he spoke of becoming all things to all men, Paul wrote, “I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel” (1 Cor. 9:16). His ministry was in response to a divine mandate. God had called him and commissioned him. Paul preached the gospel exactly as he had received it directly from the Lord, and he always delivered that message “as of first importance” (1 Cor. 15:3). He was not a salesman or marketer, but a divine emissary. He certainly was not “willing to shape his communications” to accommodate his listeners or produce a desirable response. The fact that he was stoned and left for dead (Acts 14:19), beaten, imprisoned, and finally killed for the truth’s sake ought to demonstrate that he didn’t adapt the message to make it pleasing to his hearers! And the personal suffering he bore because of his ministry did not indicate that something was wrong with his approach, but that everything had been right!
So what did Paul mean when he wrote, “I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. And I do all things for the sake of the gospel”? As always, the context makes his meaning clear. We’ll be taking a look at what Paul really meant over the course of the next several days. I hope you stick around.
http://www.gty.org/blog/B110902
Jason B
10-16-2011, 10:06 PM
Bang your head. Yeah yeah bang your head for the lord. Yeah yeah, bang Your head!
My new heavy metal alter call song. ;)
:highfive
:heeheehee
Sadly some don't see even see the mockery of Christ in their methods, even saying "God told me" its okay.
Narrow Is The Way
10-16-2011, 10:26 PM
Actually WHAT A BUNCH OF CALVINIST ANTI-APOSTOLICS would be a better description of the men you quoted, so they would be welcome with slobbering flattery on AFF.
Now let me quote another well known preacher.
"1 Cor 9:19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
You have got to be kidding. Your interpretation of this scripture allows me to walk in a bar, get plastered drunk, and then talk to the ole boy next to me about coming to church.
After all, I have to become drunk to save a drunk right?
By all means possible, right?
Nice interpretation of scripture.
Just what a sinner needs to hear, a song that sounds like something they already listen to.
Let's be different. Quit imitating the world. They should be imitating us.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-17-2011, 07:21 AM
When all the old time hymns were written, they were "imitating the world" at the time. They almost always go to the chord progressions of Celtic folk songs(pagan music).
Why has no one addressed this?
Those who cry that we need to get back to the "old paths" actually mean we need to get back to the 1950's. Not really that old. If you really want to get back to the "old paths", then why don't you start playing ancient middle eastern style worship songs and scrap all the rest?(I've already heard ultra cons condemning Churches who play this style of music as trying to be "Judaizers") If the Apostles heard "Blessed Assurance" or "Rock of Ages", the chord progressions and melody would sound very foreign and quite possibly a little disturbing to them. The Pharisees might even tell you to "stop imitating the world" trying to sound like the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh headbangers of back in the day.
If it sounds like Rock, it's imitating the world and should be condemned. If it sounds like the music that Jesus and the Apostles actually enjoyed, it's Judaizing wierdness. If it sounds like Country, it's a beautiful, anointed, "Southern Gospel" song. If it sounds like European paganism, it's one of the cherished, beloved heavenly hymns from the songbook. PATHETIC!
Ev. Duane Williams
10-17-2011, 07:29 AM
Bang your head. Yeah yeah bang your head for the lord. Yeah yeah, bang Your head!
My new heavy metal alter call song. ;)
A-L-T-A-R!!!
If I see the word altar(a place of prayer or sacrifice) spelled alter(to change or manipulate something) one more time on this site, I'm going to give you all an A-L-T-A-R call to repent!
Ev. Duane Williams
10-17-2011, 07:49 AM
So you fasted, prayed, and weeped AND searched the sctiprues (wow) (as though they weren't plain enough) to see if it was okay to lift Black Sabbath music and use it to promote the gospel? Isn't that kind of like Baalam not getting the answer he wanted for Balak and continuing to "inquire" of the Lord, until finally in a round about way his flesh was satisfied with the result?
Just askin'
Has God ever shown you anything, Jason? Or do you serve the dried up, shriveled up, twice dead, plucked up by the roots god of Calvinism? John MacArthur? Are you serious? I thought you spoke in tongues. Maybe I've mixed you up with someone else, but if you have ever spoken in tongues, John MacArthur believes you either mockingly faked it or are demon possessed. What a great guy to quote to prove a point on an APOSTOLIC forum. I couldn't care less what that blasphemer thinks or says or writes, and if you're Apostolic, you shouldn't either.
Forget the chord progressions and the melody for a second. "Overjoyed" is a song about being freed from the bondage of satan, shouting in happiness because of it, singing God's praises, magnifying His Name, encouraging others to lift up the Name of Jesus, declaring that only Jesus gives sight to the blind and that Faith in Him leads to Everlasting Life, the severity of His Sacrifice at Calvary, knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that He is real, and exhorting the unsaved to let Him into their hearts before it's too late. Would it be more Godly and less like the world if it were set to an ol' time Gospel Hymn type tune like "Heaven's Just a Sin Away"? Before you say no, just think of how many good "old paths" hymns sound just like that wicked song.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-17-2011, 07:58 AM
BUMP
I wouldn't agree with using any of those songs if the lyrics remain the same. "Money" even has a curse word in it. That's not what I do or advocate at all.
Truthseeker
10-17-2011, 08:17 AM
A-L-T-A-R!!!
If I see the word altar(a place of prayer or sacrifice) spelled alter(to change or manipulate something) one more time on this site, I'm going to give you all an A-L-T-A-R call to repent!
LOL
Ev. Duane Williams
10-17-2011, 08:19 AM
[QUOTE]You have got to be kidding. Your interpretation of this scripture allows me to walk in a bar, get plastered drunk, and then talk to the ole boy next to me about coming to church.
No it doesn't
After all, I have to become drunk to save a drunk right?
Becoming drunk is a sin, playing an Em power chord is not
By all means possible, right?
Without sinning, yes.
Nice interpretation of scripture.
Thank you.
Just what a sinner needs to hear, a song that sounds like something they already listen to.
It got me searching. Now I'm drug free, alcohol free, depression free and living for Jesus. But I guess I'm still going to hell for breaking the 11th Commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Rock"
Let's be different. Quit imitating the world. They should be imitating us
You mean like THIS?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJWfM7dS5-M&feature=player_embedded
Timmy
10-17-2011, 08:28 AM
. . .
Let's be different. Quit imitating the world. They should be imitating us.
:spit
RandyWayne
10-17-2011, 08:42 AM
Oh ya....
"Rawk on!"
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