Vatican calls for global authority on economy

[Sister Alvear]

anyone read it?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUS264245887020111024?irpc=932

[Dedicated Mind]

never going to happen

[Sister Alvear]

Let's hope so...

[kclee4jc]

never going to happen

y do u say that?

[seekerman]

Sounds like a great idea. You'd need something that would be personal identification which couldn't be stolen, maybe some kind of id on the hand or the head.

:hmmm

[mfblume]

There will never be another one world government because the stone cut out of the mountain without hands came down and crushed the final power, Rome. And now Christ's kingdom is spreading through the world overcoming all other kingdoms. Christ's kingdom is now in effect and it will not allow another world power to occur. We've seen the end of the image of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Adam is over.

[Rudy]

There will never be another one world government because the stone cut out of the mountain without hands came down and crushed the final power, Rome. And now Christ's kingdom is spreading through the world overcoming all other kingdoms. Christ's kingdom is now in effect and it will not allow another world power to occur. We've seen the end of the image of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Adam is over.

Interesting Bro. if so could we see the U.S. empire fall before it gets to big? This seems to be happening now.

[Praxeas]

There already is a One world Government, the UN and there already is a World Bank and China has been pushing for a universal currency to take the place of the dollar

[mfblume]

There already is a One world Government, the UN and there already is a World Bank and China has been pushing for a universal currency to take the place of the dollar

That is not a one world government. Watch. The one world currency and government will not happen. One day I will say I told you so. :) Christ's kingdom will not allow it.

[Scott Hutchinson]

This is who controls the world's banking system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7SKZMpDRrM

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC4Ydg0mRgQ&feature=related

[AreYouReady?]

I agree with the brother that says we are already in a one world government.

Did anybody ever hear of the Club of Rome? They are a global "think tank" who divided the world into Ten Regions or Supernations back in the 1950s. Each region will have a "president" unelected by the people. Yeah...how about that? An appointed King. The EU has a rotating presidency...unelected by the people. Study the European Union. The below picture is how the supernations have been divided up.


http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af265/RRow_01/10NationMap.jpg

Globalization is here. They already have all the technology set in place.

[BroGary]

(Saint Peter's Basilica at the Vatican October 23, 2011)

The Vatican called on Monday for the establishment of a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises. The document from the Vatican’s Justice and Peace department should please the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.

“Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority,” was at times very specific, calling, for example, for taxation measures on financial transactions. “

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/24/idUS264245887020111024

Also:

Here are just four of many excellent articles I found online that was written by an apostolic minster who has been studing the NWO since the 1970's -

(the first one is a very good general overview of the history of the New World Order)

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-DevilinNWO.htm

http://www.kenraggio.com/KRPN-EBorders.htm

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-FederalReserve.htm

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-Mystery-Babylon.htm


2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

[kclee4jc]

So when the man of sin sits in the temple and claims to be all that is called God, those that believe Christ's kingdom is already established and taking over the kingdoms of this world, may very well believe that the man of sin is Christ.

[Jay]

If I may borrow and adapt a few quotations from Tolkein, I would that such had not come in my time but rather come later, and my time could have been like that of my fathers'. But such is the wish of all who live in such times, and I know this. It is my greatest wish to be found worthy of the trust put in me by God for this time.

[deafdriscoll]

Ok, I wish to have some clarification here;
The anti christ rules 10 kingdoms right.
One world gov.
7 more nations join in the last hour in the fight called armagedian.
where do those 7 nations come from?
hmmmmmm
some of you say that the world will be 10 nations. yea, right.

[Aquila]

I think it's presumptuous to say there never will be a one world government. We all know futurists believe there will be one. That doesn't automatically mean it can't happen. Secular institutions are pushing for it every day. They will not stop until it's a reality.

What I also think is that Amillennialists poo poo the notion to their detriment. The Bible doesn't say there never will be a one world government. We had to contend with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, etc. Who's to say we will not have to contend with two or three tyranical world governments before Christ returns??? Even the Amillennial position must answer for the release of Satan at the end of the Millennium (or "church age" in their eschatology). We see the armies of Satan as the "sand of the sea" surrounding Jerusalem and God's people. Who's to say this isn't a final world government or the spiritual assult that takes place in the wake of a final world government?

When anyone speaks with some self supposed "certainty" about such speculative events, they've become like those convinced that the Tribulation will begin next week.

Let's be ON GUARD against tyranny. It doesn't have to be "prophesy" to be a very real and present danger to liberty.

[houston]

So when the man of sin sits in the temple and claims to be all that is called God, those that believe Christ's kingdom is already established and taking over the kingdoms of this world, may very well believe that the man of sin is Christ.

What temple? The temple was destroyed. :happydance

[houston]

That's a nice chart. LaHaye would be proud!

[mfblume]

I think it's presumptuous to say there never will be a one world government. We all know futurists believe there will be one. That doesn't automatically mean it can't happen. Secular institutions are pushing for it every day. They will not stop until it's a reality.

What I also think is that Amillennialists poo poo the notion to their detriment. The Bible doesn't say there never will be a one world government. We had to contend with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, etc. Who's to say we will not have to contend with two or three tyranical world governments before Christ returns??? Even the Amillennial position must answer for the release of Satan at the end of the Millennium (or "church age" in their eschatology). We see the armies of Satan as the "sand of the sea" surrounding Jerusalem and God's people. Who's to say this isn't a final world government or the spiritual assult that takes place in the wake of a final world government?

When anyone speaks with some self supposed "certainty" about such speculative events, they've become like those convinced that the Tribulation will begin next week.

Let's be ON GUARD against tyranny. It doesn't have to be "prophesy" to be a very real and present danger to liberty.

Daniel says his kingdom will not be given to others as the previous kingdoms did.

[Aquila]

Daniel says his kingdom will not be given to others as the previous kingdoms did.

Tell that to Communist China.

The point is not to confuse earthly powers with the over all authority of Christ. Is Christ King over all? Yes. However, do evil coalitions form in the earthly realm? Yes.

Would you be willing to wager your immortal soul that there never will be a global government???

If not... don't treat the notion too lightly.

[kclee4jc]

What temple? The temple was destroyed. :happydance

the one that will be rebuilt

[Rudy]

What would define a world government? 1. A world currency? 2. A world court? 3. A world army? 4. A world religion {global ethic}?

All of the above?

[houston]

the one that will be rebuilt

Scripture please.

[AreYouReady?]

Ok, I wish to have some clarification here;
The anti christ rules 10 kingdoms right.
One world gov.
7 more nations join in the last hour in the fight called armagedian.
where do those 7 nations come from?
hmmmmmm
some of you say that the world will be 10 nations. yea, right.

Revelation 17 explains everything.

****7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.****



We are currently witnessing the formation of the ten kingdoms.

The seven mountains....some bible scholars believe that each mountain represented a "world leader" like Caesar, Nero, Alexander etc. the one that is yet to come could possibly be the antichrist.

The waters represent the multiple of people...which the whore sitteth on. Is there not a false church that has finagled it's way into each and every country on this planet?

I could speculate my own prayerful opinion about who or what the "beast" is...but most likely nobody would want to hear that.

[AreYouReady?]

Also, the Ten Nations will be under control of a world governing body. All the "presidents" or "Kings" will govern each region they will be appointed to, but will defer to the leader of the world governing body...many think it could be the United Nations...and the U.N. does have a leader.

Has anybody here ever been to see the monstrosity in Georgia called the "Georgia Guidestones"?

Whomever spent the money to put up these "guidestones" advocates the extermination of over 5 billion people.

It is the first rule etched in stone on these massive monuments.
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

Somebody is counterfeiting God's Ten Commandments as if they own and/or rule God's Creation.

[houston]

Nice fairy tale. It's time for bed.

[AreYouReady?]

ahhh....so I see you don't believe what the Bible says on this subject?

Or do you just have your own interpretation?

Can you refute this reasonably?

Just trying to understand your position.....

[Ev. Duane Williams]

There will never be another one world government because the stone cut out of the mountain without hands came down and crushed the final power, Rome. And now Christ's kingdom is spreading through the world overcoming all other kingdoms. Christ's kingdom is now in effect and it will not allow another world power to occur. We've seen the end of the image of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Adam is over.

There NEVER HAS been a one world government. Rome didn't even know the other half of the world existed. Britain and France in the 18th Century were both more powerful than Rome in her heyday. Germany under Hitler was also. The U.S.S.R. during the last half of the twentieth century, and the United States today were exponentially more powerful than Rome ever was. And NONE of these "Superpowers" has EVER controlled the entire world. Ever.

[Jay]

China has been roughly its current size for more than 3000 years (yes every few hundred years it would be divided, but it seems to have more lives than a cat). It was larger and more powerful than almost any other.

Alexander the great was one of the few people who amassed an empire anywhere close to that of China and India. His stretched from east of Egypt all the way into Afghanistan and Pakistan. Figuring that he would have also had control of the Mediteranean Sea, He had one of the largest empires in his day, and Rome never got close.

For a government to govern, it must have a way to raise revenue, enforce its edicts, and protect its citizens. This is a basic law. It is why the League of Nations failed, the U.S. under the Articles of Confederation failed, and the U.N. is failing. They have to accept donations, and rely on militaries that it does not support financially. Thus they do not collect revenue, or enforce their will, nor guard their 'citizens'. It is also why they have been advocates for allowing the U.N. to tax the internet usage. It would provide them with a more stable source of income, which is preceeds everything else.

[houston]

ahhh....so I see you don't believe what the Bible says on this subject?

Or do you just have your own interpretation?

Can you refute this reasonably?

Just trying to understand your position.....

Oh, ja! We all have our own interpretation.

Scripture for the rebuilding of the temple?

[Sister Alvear]

Well...I am not a Bible teacher but it was my lawyer that e mailed me that article...I don't know what he thinks but am going to ask him...
Personally as most know I do believe the church will go through tribulation...so many times what we think or believe slants our opinions on different subjects...however I am not the type to fuss and become a bitter enemy with anyone that differs from me...I just have an opinion...and really hope I am wrong.

[Aquila]

It will take a global crisis to unite the world under one government. A crisis of... biblical proportions.

It may very well be the first wave of the wrath of God (the Tribulation or whatever one wants to call it) that causes the world to clammour for unity.

Imagine if tonight at 1am Eastern Standard Time the earth was hit by a series of significant meteors that wipe out nearly a third of the planet (Revelation 8?). As stories come pouring in of the devestation and loss of humanity; the entire globe reels in the shadows of economic and social collapse. It would effect politics, industry, shipping, food supplies, you name it. The entire world would be screaming for a global government (or unity of governments) to stabilize civilization as we know it.

Enter... the Beast.

[Aquila]

Very interesting Futurist novel: http://www.amazon.com/End-Age-Novel-Pat-Robertson/dp/0849912903

Not a bad Futurist novel (Post Tribulational). One of the more interesting ones I've read.

[Sister Alvear]

I think IF I am right then people will understand the value of Hourse churches, organic churches and things like that...One thing about it we need to live Jesus 24/7...

[AreYouReady?]

China has been roughly its current size for more than 3000 years (yes every few hundred years it would be divided, but it seems to have more lives than a cat). It was larger and more powerful than almost any other.

Alexander the great was one of the few people who amassed an empire anywhere close to that of China and India. His stretched from east of Egypt all the way into Afghanistan and Pakistan. Figuring that he would have also had control of the Mediteranean Sea, He had one of the largest empires in his day, and Rome never got close.

For a government to govern, it must have a way to raise revenue, enforce its edicts, and protect its citizens. This is a basic law. It is why the League of Nations failed, the U.S. under the Articles of Confederation failed, and the U.N. is failing. They have to accept donations, and rely on militaries that it does not support financially. Thus they do not collect revenue, or enforce their will, nor guard their 'citizens'. It is also why they have been advocates for allowing the U.N. to tax the internet usage. It would provide them with a more stable source of income, which is preceeds everything else.

Righto! Either taxing the internet or a VAT or national sales tax, which could go to the U.N.

[AreYouReady?]

Well...I am not a Bible teacher but it was my lawyer that e mailed me that article...I don't know what he thinks but am going to ask him...
Personally as most know I do believe the church will go through tribulation...so many times what we think or believe slants our opinions on different subjects...however I am not the type to fuss and become a bitter enemy with anyone that differs from me...I just have an opinion...and really hope I am wrong.

You won't be a bitter enemy with me Sister A. I have recently re-examined the "translation" verses in Thessalonians and Revelation 13 & 17 and what I prayed about sways me towards that we may be walking this earth when the great tribulation hits. But, also like you, I hope I am wrong. I am just waiting and believing that Christ knows what is best and putting my hope in Him for whatever may happen to the Saints living.

[AreYouReady?]

Oh, ja! We all have our own interpretation.

Scripture for the rebuilding of the temple?

I did not mentioned the temple because I am mainly demonstrating that currently the world is undergoing vast changes and they are calling it "globalization". The world has been divided into ten regions or super nations and it is being done in secret, yet, right under our noses.

But since you mentioned the temple, here is a scripture for you.

II Thessalonians 2 verse 3,4.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

I would think that this is mainly a common thought that there will be a new temple in order for the son of perdition to be able to sit in the temple.

Read also in Daniel Chapters 11 & 12 where it speaks of the abomination that maketh desolate, as well as Christ who spoke of the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14.

This is some of the interpretation I understand as I read the scriptures. But I am like Sister A, in that I am not going to fuss about what you or anybody else believes concerning scriptures. I just put it out there for thought. Whether you believe it or not is your prerogative.

[AreYouReady?]

It will take a global crisis to unite the world under one government. A crisis of... biblical proportions.

It may very well be the first wave of the wrath of God (the Tribulation or whatever one wants to call it) that causes the world to clammour for unity.

Imagine if tonight at 1am Eastern Standard Time the earth was hit by a series of significant meteors that wipe out nearly a third of the planet (Revelation 8?). As stories come pouring in of the devestation and loss of humanity; the entire globe reels in the shadows of economic and social collapse. It would effect politics, industry, shipping, food supplies, you name it. The entire world would be screaming for a global government (or unity of governments) to stabilize civilization as we know it.

Enter... the Beast.

Aquila, have you ever read the book called "Behold! A Pale Horse" written by Author William Cooper?

Most of the bookstores put it in the "New Age" section, but it is not a New Age book. He, before his death, confesses Jesus Christ and tells his experience in government circles and even has scanned copies of declassified government documents. He talks about some sort of devastation happening on this planet that would have people clamoring for global governance.

[houston]

Already fulfilled. NEXT...

[AreYouReady?]

Already fulfilled. NEXT...

How so? Please explain.

[pelathais]

That is not a one world government. Watch. The one world currency and government will not happen. One day I will say I told you so. :) Christ's kingdom will not allow it.

I agree with you concerning the outcome, but I would tend to disagree that "Christ's Kingdom" would always have much to do with it. There simply exist patterns of political consolidation and break up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOJ-CrhWh3I&feature=channel_video_title

For the Dispy-minded (Dispensationalists) it might be important to point out that there never was a "One World Government" and that there likely never will be one. It would take an external threat or pressure - an extraterrestrial one - to get the various competing interests on this planet to coalesce. And can you imagine what life on another planet would do to the Dispensational belief system?

[houston]

How so? Please explain.

Would love to. But it's too much to text.

[pelathais]

Aquila, have you ever read the book called "Behold! A Pale Horse" written by Author William Cooper?

Most of the bookstores put it in the "New Age" section, but it is not a New Age book. He, before his death, confesses Jesus Christ and tells his experience in government circles and even has scanned copies of declassified government documents. He talks about some sort of devastation happening on this planet that would have people clamoring for global governance.

What people "clamor for" and what people get are usually two different things.

If "meteors" were to hit and kill 1/3 of the planet's human population, the resulting environmental destruction would wipe out just about everything else human related. The meteor that "wiped out the dinosaurs" 65 million years ago took hundreds of thousands if not millions of years to complete its work.

100,000 years of misery, though very real and it has happened several times already on this planet, doesn't really fit into the time-lines of most Dispensational charts.

[trialedbyfire]

We are already under one world Government. Most western governments are jokes, including the U.S. government.

[RandyWayne]

We are already under one world Government. Most western governments are jokes, including the U.S. government.

Naw, only the current leader of the US Gov.

All I can say is, the leader of the US Gov needs to be CAINED!

[Rudy]

Naw, only the current leader of the US Gov.

All I can say is, the leader of the US Gov needs to be CAINED!


If Cain gets his way a 9% sales tax will cripple the poor. I already pay a 7% sales tax now. I'm on a fixed income now.

[RandyWayne]

If Cain gets his way a 9% sales tax will cripple the poor. I already pay a 7% sales tax now. I'm on a fixed income now.

The 'poor' aren't already being crippled by taxes and regulations which keep the job creators from hiring them?

[AreYouReady?]

Would love to. But it's too much to text.

It could be said that if you cannot explain, then you have no valid debate.

However, you are entitled to your unexplained opinion.

Peace to you.

[AreYouReady?]

What people "clamor for" and what people get are usually two different things.

If "meteors" were to hit and kill 1/3 of the planet's human population, the resulting environmental destruction would wipe out just about everything else human related. The meteor that "wiped out the dinosaurs" 65 million years ago took hundreds of thousands if not millions of years to complete its work.

100,000 years of misery, though very real and it has happened several times already on this planet, doesn't really fit into the time-lines of most Dispensational charts.

I certainly understand your position in this regard.

I've been hearing about civilizations from 10,000 years ago. Sumerian?
This would blow dispensationalism right out of the waters if it could be proven without a shadow of a doubt that intelligent human beings, and not glorified primates walked and lived here on earth.

I looked up in the night sky last night and saw uncountable stars and wondered if God has another creation on one of those planets there?

However, as a rule, I try not to concern myself too much about what happened in 1,000,000 BC. I just want to love Jesus Christ (God), try to live an honest life in this corrupt world and this will be one of the many questions I can ask God when I get to see Him.

[Hoovie]

If Cain gets his way a 9% sales tax will cripple the poor. I already pay a 7% sales tax now. I'm on a fixed income now.

The arguement is, that the goods being bought would be about 9% less in cost because 999 eliminates many other taxes.

[AreYouReady?]

Hoovie, while it sounds good in theory, the fact is that there are two states in the union, Alabama and Mississippi that have to pay full taxes on food. That 9-9-9- plan of Cain's would not help the poorest states in the union. Those states would have to pay 16% tax on food to put on the table.

[AreYouReady?]

BTW, does anybody really think that drumming up more taxes is going to help our country's desperate financial condition?

What about inflation? When I was growing up, bread was 25 cents a loaf and taxes were 4%, which meant we paid one cent on that loaf of bread.
Now we pay...say $2.78 for a loaf of bread at 7% tax = $2.97 for one loaf of bread.
Remember the more prices go up due to inflation, the more taxes you will have to pay for the item.

I don't know...but can somebody tell me if that 9-9-9 plan will keep inflation at bay?

[Nitehawk013]

You pay $2.78 for a loaf of bread? Where do you shop? Good grief, you can get a loaf for anywhere from$.89 to $1.00 at Aldi or Kroger/Walmart.

Every that is against 9-9-9 because it would "hurt" the poor seem to be willing to ignore that the current system already burdens the poor, but not only that...unfairly punishes anyone who actually works hard and meets success.

[houston]

The bread that I eat is 100 percent whole wheat . It does not sell for a dollar like that other stuff that passes for bread.

[pelathais]

I certainly understand your position in this regard.

I've been hearing about civilizations from 10,000 years ago. Sumerian?
This would blow dispensationalism right out of the waters if it could be proven without a shadow of a doubt that intelligent human beings, and not glorified primates walked and lived here on earth.

I looked up in the night sky last night and saw uncountable stars and wondered if God has another creation on one of those planets there?

However, as a rule, I try not to concern myself too much about what happened in 1,000,000 BC. I just want to love Jesus Christ (God), try to live an honest life in this corrupt world and this will be one of the many questions I can ask God when I get to see Him.

I hear ya, Bro. Our trust in Him smooths over a lot of the mysteries when we look out into space. Trust and faith in God are invaluable, in my humble opinion.

With regard to "civilizations 10,000 years ago" - that would depend upon what you mean by "civilization." And, I don't put any stock into those "History Channel" programs about Atlantis and "Ancient Astronauts." There's no evidence for anything there.

10,000 years ago human beings were domesticating animals, planting crops, irrigating fields and recording astronomical alignments and events with everything from cave wall paintings to monumental architecture like Stonehenge. The people were as intelligent as any today (or "as unintelligent?"). They just had a much lower level of technology and were still in the process of developing and trying to retain.

The "Sumerian" culture (actually a succession of cultures) started to irrigate on a large scale somewhere around 4500 BC. or about 6500 years ago. The "10,000 years ago" thing is often thrown around because that marks the beginning of the Holocene Epoch - our current climatological and geological epoch. The earth itself bears witness to the fact that some big changes happened around then, most noticeably, it was the end of the most recent glacial maximum (Ice Age). This meant that the earth warmed up a bit and became more rainy in some of the drier continental zones.

... boy, my mind is sure in a ramble today.

[pelathais]

The arguement is, that the goods being bought would be about 9% less in cost because 999 eliminates many other taxes.

Personally, I wouldn't give Congress power to tax BOTH income and consumption - even at the modest level Cain is proposing. They'll just jack it when the Dems come back into power, only this time they'll hit us twice as hard.

For me, it's "either or." Washington cannot be trusted with both.

[AreYouReady?]

You pay $2.78 for a loaf of bread? Where do you shop? Good grief, you can get a loaf for anywhere from$.89 to $1.00 at Aldi or Kroger/Walmart.



I buy my bread at WalMart for $2.78 a loaf. I have to buy Nature's Own because it does not contain artificial preservatives or high fructose corn syrup. Sure I could buy that cheap bread, but I have to watch what type of food I put into my body. The cheap bread has dye, preservatives and high fructose corn syrup which aggravates insulin resistant diabetic condition as well as my husband's condition of diabetes.

It is eating the cheap stuff that put's people's health in jeopardy.

[AreYouReady?]

With regard to "civilizations 10,000 years ago" - that would depend upon what you mean by "civilization." And, I don't put any stock into those "History Channel" programs about Atlantis and "Ancient Astronauts." There's no evidence for anything there.

10,000 years ago human beings were domesticating animals, planting crops, irrigating fields and recording astronomical alignments and events with everything from cave wall paintings to monumental architecture like Stonehenge. The people were as intelligent as any today (or "as unintelligent?"). They just had a much lower level of technology and were still in the process of developing and trying to retain.

The "Sumerian" culture (actually a succession of cultures) started to irrigate on a large scale somewhere around 4500 BC. or about 6500 years ago. The "10,000 years ago" thing is often thrown around because that marks the beginning of the Holocene Epoch - our current climatological and geological epoch. The earth itself bears witness to the fact that some big changes happened around then, most noticeably, it was the end of the most recent glacial maximum (Ice Age). This meant that the earth warmed up a bit and became more rainy in some of the drier continental zones.

... boy, my mind is sure in a ramble today.

I don't buy the ancient's being primitive as portrayed by the History Channel either. In fact, the ancient people were way smarter than our civilization of people currently are....except for a select chosen few of elitists.

Some think that we will be going into another ice age soon...what say you?

[Jay]

I like two thirds of Cain's tax plan. I would like to see Perry revise his down some. I am already paying .2 percent of my income to various levels of government. His plan would only raise my taxes. If he were to cut the personal income tax, I would be a lot happier.

[pelathais]

I don't buy the ancient's being primitive as portrayed by the History Channel either. In fact, the ancient people were way smarter than our civilization of people currently are....except for a select chosen few of elitists.

Some think that we will be going into another ice age soon...what say you?

I think our massive production of carbon gasses has forestalled the next Ice Age if only temporarily. There are a lot of complex variables. Who knows for sure?

Losing the Polar ice caps would flood the world like Kevin Costner had asserted. It probably wouldn't even be all that "bad," overall. Greenland was covered with a lush temperate forest just 1 million years ago. Now those trees are crushed beneath a mile thick ice sheet.

Also, generally speaking, warmer is wetter. Warm air holds more moisture than cool air. It was the Ice Ages that largely contributed to the creation of the Sahara Desert. Plate Tectonics plays a role as well. The loss of the Tethys Sea (the Mediterranean/Black Sea/Caspian Sea basins closed off an important flow that kept North Africa and Southwest Asia green in the past.

Another Ice Age is probably inevitable. That's the real threat and not "global warming."

[pelathais]

I think our massive production of carbon gasses has forestalled the next Ice Age if only temporarily. There are a lot of complex variables. Who knows for sure?

Losing the Polar ice caps would flood the world like Kevin Costner had asserted. It probably wouldn't even be all that "bad," overall. Greenland was covered with a lush temperate forest just 1 million years ago. Now those trees are crushed beneath a mile thick ice sheet.

Also, generally speaking, warmer is wetter. Warm air holds more moisture than cool air. It was the Ice Ages that largely contributed to the creation of the Sahara Desert. Plate Tectonics plays a role as well. The loss of the Tethys Sea (the Mediterranean/Black Sea/Caspian Sea basins closed off an important flow that kept North Africa and Southwest Asia green in the past.

Another Ice Age is probably inevitable. That's the real threat and not "global warming."

*** Correction!! : "Losing the Polar ice caps would NOT flood the world as Kevin Costner had asserted."

[Sister Alvear]

wow...you guys always get over my head...ha...

[AreYouReady?]

*** Correction!! : "Losing the Polar ice caps would NOT flood the world as Kevin Costner had asserted."

Somehow I knew you meant this instead of the first post.

I read somewhere that even if the polar ice caps did melt, it might add 2 feet of water to the coast lines....

[Jay]

It might add two feet, but the water level would still drop as ice has more volume than liquid water does. Thus more water would be added, and the level would fall. It would likely be the only time in history that you see something recede by adding to it.:lol